SUFFER.

>> Martha: JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

CHAIRMAN, SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM

WAS THERE THEN AND HE JOINS US

HERE NOW.

TONIGHT.

WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THAT,

SENATOR, IT SOUNDS QUITE

FAMILIAR IN THE REVERSE.

IT WHAT YOU MAKE OF

NANCY PELOSI'S MOVE HERE?

>> WHAT I WOULD ASK HER TO DO IS

ALLOW THE HOUSE TO VOTE ON

WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE

AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

ONE MONTH BEFORE THE 1998

ELECTION, WE HAD A VOTE IN THE

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WERE 31

DEMOCRATS VOTED WITH ALL THE

REPUBLICANS TO OPEN AN INQUIRY

INTO THE IMPEACHMENT OF

PRESIDENT CLINTON.

HE WAS EVENTUALLY DENIED LAW

LICENSE FOR FIVE YEARS AND FINED

BY THE COURT BECAUSE OF

MISCONDUCT, BUT THE ONE THING I

DO BELIEVE AMERICA DESERVES THIS

FOR EVERY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE TO

AGREE TO VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR

NOT THEY AGREE THERE SHOULD BE

AN INQUIRY OF IMPEACHMENT BASED

ON THIS TRANSCRIPT.

>> Martha: OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE

GOING TO MAKE THIS KIND OF

CHARGE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF

THEY WERE WILLING --

>> IF I COULD JUST ADD THIS.

I DON'T THINK SHE HAS THE POWER

TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO OPEN AN

IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY BY HERSELF.

I THINK EVERY MEMBER OF THE

HOUSE SHOULD DO WHAT WE DID IN

1998, VOTE.

I CAN TELL YOU JOE CUNNINGHAM,

WHO SEEMS LIKE A FINE FELLOW, IS

REPRESENTED IN THE CONGRESSIONAL

DISTRICT IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THE

CHARLESTON AREA ALONG THE COAST

AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE

REQUIRED TO VOTE AS TO WHETHER

OR NOT HE BELIEVES THE PRESIDENT

HAS COMMITTED AN IMPEACHABLE

OFFENSE.

>> Martha: BUT IN TERMS OF

NANCY PELOSI, THE PRESIDENT SAID

THAT HE DOESN'T THINK SHE'S THE

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE ANYMORE.

HE'S SUGGESTING THAT SHE'S NOT

IN POWER, THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE

THE ABILITY TO CONTROL HER

CAUCUS, THAT SHE'S BEEN OVERRUN

BY THIS MOMENTUM THIS EMOTION,

WHICH HE POINTED OUT BACK IN

1998 WAS HAPPENING, ON SHE

BELIEVES THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

>> I THINK IT'S TRUE HERE THAT

THEY WANTED TO IMPEACH TRUMP THE

DAY HE GOT ELECTED.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE IN

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO HATE

HIS GUTS AND ARE JUST AFTER HIM

EVERY MINUTE, 24 HOURS A DAY,

BUT SHE IS KIND OF HOW THOSE

PEOPLE AT BAY.

HERE'S WHAT DISAPPOINTS ME SO

MUCH.

SHE'S TALKING ABOUT ARTICLES OF

IMPEACHMENT BASED ON A PHONE

CALL THE TRANSCRIPT WHICH HE HAD

NOT READ.

SHE HAD MADE UP HER MIND BECAUSE

SHE'S LOST CONTROL.

A WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT IS

HEARSAY HERE.

THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WAS NOT ON

THE PHONE CALL.

THEY HEARD ABOUT THE PHONE CALL

FROM SOMEBODY ELSE AND I WANT TO

KNOW WHO INFORMED THE

WHISTLE-BLOWER ABOUT THE PHONE

CALL, BUT THE FACT THAT

NANCY PELOSI WOULD ARGUE FOR

IMPEACHMENT BEFORE SHE READ THE

TRANSCRIPT TELLS ME THAT SHE HAS

LOST CONTROL.

>> Martha: IS INTERESTING,

BECAUSE YOU SAY THERE WERE 30

SOME DEMOCRATS --

>> 31.

>> Martha: 31 WHO VOTED WITH

REPUBLICANS FOR THAT IMPEACHMENT

MOVE, THE ARTICLES OF

IMPEACHMENT AND NOW SOME OF YOUR

COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING THAT THEY

BELIEVE THERE'S THAT NUMBER OF

REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE WHO

WOULD DO THE SAME THING NOW.

MITT ROMNEY SPOKE OUT ABOUT THAT

HE SAID IT REMAINS TROUBLING IN

THE EXTREME, IT'S DEEPLY

TROUBLING ABOUT THE TRANSCRIPTS,

HE TOLD REPORTERS ON WEDNESDAY

WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT IT.

HERE'S MIKE MURPHY.

HE SAYS THAT IF THERE WERE A

SECRET VOTE, 30 G.O.P. SENATORS

WOULD VOTE TO IMPEACH.

WATCH THIS.

>> ONE REPUBLICAN SENATOR TOLD

ME IF IT WAS A SECRET VOTE, 30

REPUBLICAN SENATORS WOULD VOTE

TO IMPEACH TRUMP.

>> Martha: BEN SASSE ALSO

SPEAKING OUT JUST TO PUT THIS

TOGETHER.

REPUBLICANS OUGHT NOT TO BE

CIRCLING THE WAGONS TO SAY THERE

IS NO THERE THERE WHEN THERE'S

OFFICE THE LIFE THAT'S

TROUBLING.

YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> I LIKE THE SENATOR A LOT, BUT

HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY TO

ANYBODY.

THIS PHONE CALL WAS BILLED AS AN

ATTEMPT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE

UNITED STATES TO SHAKE UKRAINE

DOWN, TO THREATEN TO WITHHOLD

MILITARY AID AND ASSISTANCE TO

THE UKRAINE UNLESS THE PRESIDENT

OF THE UKRAINE OPENED AN

INVESTIGATION AGAINST HIS

POLITICAL OPPONENT.

IF YOU READ THIS TRANSCRIPT,

THAT'S THE FURTHEST THING FROM

THE TRUTH.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

I READ THE PHONE CALL TRANSCRIP

TRANSCRIPT.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE

UNITED STATES CONGRATULATED THE

UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ON HIS WON,

SAID WE'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS TO

THE UKRAINE.

GERMANY AND OTHER PEOPLE OUGHT

TO PAY MORE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE

WITHHOLDING AID AND HE DID SAY,

CORRUPTION IS A PROBLEM IN YOUR

COUNTRY.

THEY FIRED THIS PROSECUTOR, I

HEARD HE WAS A PRETTY GOOD JOB

AT ONE OF THE REASON HE FIRED

WAS BECAUSE JOE BIDEN CALLED FOR

THEM TO BE FIRED AND HIS SON WAS

SITTING ON THE BOARD OF A

COMPANY BEING INVESTIGATED BY

THE PROSECUTOR.

THAT TIMMY IS IS NOT A QUID PRO

QUO.

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH

POINTING OUT A CONFLICT.

JOE BIDEN THREATENED TO CUT OFF

AID TO THE UKRAINE UNLESS THEY

FIRED A PROSECUTOR WHO WAS

LOOKING CASES INVOLVING A

COMPANY'S SON WAS RECEIVING

$50,000 A MONTH -- THE POINT I'M

TRYING TO MAKE HERE IS THERE IS

NO "THERE" THERE.

YOU CAN BE TROUBLED ALL OF YOU

WOULD LIKE BUT IF THIS IS AN

IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE, THIS PHONE

CALL, GOD HELP THE NEXT PERSON

TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE

UNITED STATES.

>> Martha: JUST TO BE

SPECIFIC, WITH THE PRESIDENT

SAID IN A CALL AS BIDEN STOPPED

THE PROSECUTION AND A LOT OF

PEOPLE WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT

THAT, SO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO

WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD

BE GREAT.

BIDEN WENT AROUND BRAGGING THAT

HE HAD STOPPED THE PROSECUTION,

SO IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT, IT

SOUNDS HORRIBLE TO ME.

THAT DOES NOT TROUBLE YOU?

GIVEN THE FACT THAT -- VERY

LIKELY RUN AGAINST JOE BIDEN IN

A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

>> IT TROUBLES ME THAT

JOE BIDEN, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF

THE UNITED STATES, THREATENED TO

CUT OFF AID TO THE UKRAINE

WITHOUT DISCLOSING A CONFLICT.

THERE WAS A LETTER SENT BY

DEMOCRATIC SENATORS IN MAY 2018

THREATENING THE UKRAINE TO CUT

OFF AID IF THEY DID NOT

INVESTIGATE TRUMP.

YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT MORE

ABOUT THIS CONFLICT.

A QUID PRO QUO IS IF YOU DO NOT

DO WHAT I WANT, I'M GOING TO

PUNISH YOU.

READ THIS TRANSCRIPT.

NO RATIONAL PERSON WOULD

CONCLUDE THAT THE PRESIDENT OF

THE UNITED STATES WAS

THREATENING TO CUT OFF AID TO

THE UKRAINE UNLESS THEY DID

SOMETHING AGAINST JOE BIDEN AND

HIS SON.

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THERE

WAS A CONFLICT REGARDING THE

FIRING OF THE PROSECUTOR AND IF

IT HAD BEEN A REPUBLICAN WHO HAD

DONE THIS, IT WOULD BE FRONT

PAGE NEWS --

>> Martha: WHAT ARE YOU GOING

TO DO ABOUT THAT?

I KNOW RON JOHNSON -- ARE YOU

GOING TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION

INTO JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON'S

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS

ACTIVITIES?

>> I LIKE JOE BIDEN, HE'S A GOOD

FRIEND OF MINE, I REALLY

HONESTLY DO LIKE HIM, BUT

SOMEBODY HAS TO LOOK AT THIS

CONFLICT AND I WOULD LIKE

SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF POLITICS.

I DON'T WANT TO TURN THE SENATE

INTO THE CIRCUS WITH THE HOUSE

HAS BECOME.

REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TOLD THAT

TRUMP WAS COLLUDING WITH THE

RUSSIANS, SCHIFF HAD HIM DEAD TO

RIGHTS.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY WOULD TALK

ABOUT IMPEACHING THIS PRESIDENT

BASED ON THE TRANSCRIPT OF THIS

PHONE CALL.

THERE IS NO "THERE" THERE.

>> Martha: WHAT HE MEANT

SOMEONE ON THE OUTSIDE TO

INVESTIGATE?

YOU WANT AN INDEPENDENT

INVESTIGATOR?

INDEPENDENT PROSECUTOR?

WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT?

>> I WANT SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT

WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A

CONFLICT OF INTEREST INVOLVED IN

JOE BIDEN ASKING FOR THE UKRAINE

AND PROSECUTOR TO BE FIRED.

I WANT SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT

WHETHER OR NOT THE 1.5 BILLION

GIVEN TO THE HUNTER BIDEN

PRIVATE EQUITY ACCOUNT FROM

CHINA WAS ON THE UP AND UP.

>> Martha: I GOT YOU, I'M JUST

ASKING WHO YOU THINK THAT

SOMEBODY SHOULD BE.

YOUR COMMITTEE, FOR EXAMPLE,

SHOULD IT BE IN THE GOVERNMENT?

>> I DON'T WANT TO TURN MY

COMMITTEE INTO A ZOO LIKE THE

HOUSE.

I THINK THESE ARE SERIOUS

PROBLEMS -- I'M NOT ACCUSING

ANYBODY OF WRONGDOING.

I'M ACCUSING THE SYSTEM OF

LOSING ITS WAY HERE.

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THESE

ALLEGATIONS.

TRUMP HAS BEEN LOOKED AT EVERY

WAY YOU CAN BE LOOKED AT.

HE'S BEEN LOOKED AT FOR YEARS BY

MUELLER.

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE

CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE AND AT

THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU

BELIEVE THIS IS AN IMPEACHABLE

OFFENSE OR TROUBLING, DO

SOMETHING ABOUT IT, TO MY HOUSE