>> IF HE TAKES THE RISK OF GOING

TO TRIAL AND HE IS CONVICTED

THAT COULD BE SEEN AS AN

IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

>> IF HE IS NOT A LEGITIMATELY

ELECTED PRESIDENT IN YOUR MIND

THERE ARE TOOLS THAT CONGRESS

HAS.

>> I THINK WE'RE IN IMPEACHMENT

TERRITORY FOR THE FIRST TIME.

>> IN YOUR VIEW DOES THAT RISE

TO THE LEVEL OF AN IMPEACHABLE

OFFENSE.

>> WHATEVER THE WHITE HOUSE

THOUGHT IT WAS DOING TO DEFEND

ITSELF OR FEND OFF

IMPEACHMENT --

>> IMPEACHMENT.

STEVE: THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING

ABOUT IMPEACHMENT.

JASON CHAFFETZ FORMER HOUSE

GOVERNMENT REFORM COMMITTEE AND

AUTHOR OF A NEW BOOK, THE

LIBERAL SCREAM TO UNDERMINE

TRUMP, THE GOP AND OUR REPUBLIC.

THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING

IMPEACHMENT.

NANCY PELOSI IS TALKING ABOUT

INQUIRY, WHY HAVEN'T THEY HAD A

VOTE?

>> THE VOTE IS VERY IMPORTANT.

NANCY PELOSI GOES BEFORE THE

WORLD IT IS INFORMAL IMPEACHMENT

INQUIRY BUT SHE DOESN'T HAVE A

VOTE.

BECAUSE IT FAILED THREE TIMES F

THEY DID HAVE A VOTE, MINORITY

COULD GET RIGHTS.

THEY WOULD HAVE SUBPOENA

AUTHORITY.

NANCY PELOSI DOES NOT WANT DOUG

COLLINS, THE MINORITY MEMBER

ABOUT, THE RANKING MEMBER ON

HOUSE JUDICIARY TO ALSO TO

DEFEND AND TO HAVE SUBPOENA

AUTHORITY.

STEVE: RIGHT NOW IT IS LOPSIDED.

>> IT IS LOPSIDED.

THEY WANT TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS,

WANT TO DO ALL THIS, BUT DON'T

WANT TO GIVE THE MINORITY TO

ACTUALLY DO THE SAME THING.

THAT IS WHY SHE REFUSES TO DO

THAT.

AINSLEY: IF HE IS ABLE TO DO

THAT, WHEN HE IS ABLE TO DO

THAT, WHO WILL BE SUBPOENAING?

>> A WHOLE HOST THE PEOPLE.

HUNTER BIDEN SHOULD BE BROUGHT

IN.

YOU COULD GO THROUGH A WHOLE

LIST OF THINGS.

LET'S FIND OUT, DO SOME

INVESTIGATION.

SOMETIME FOR REPUBLICANS TO PLAY

OFFENSE.

REPUBLICANS ARE USED TO

APOLOGIZING AND TRYING TO

JUSTIFY.

NANCY PELOSI AND THE DEMOCRATS

THEY'RE ALWAYS PLAYING OFFENSE

BUT NANCY PELOSI KNOWS THAT SHE

HAS GOT TO WITHHOLD THAT ABILITY

OF THE REPUBLICANS TO ACTUALLY

DO WHAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO

DO IS CREATE THE OTHER SIDE OF

THE CASE.

BRIAN: RIGHT AWAY THEY WERE

TALKING ABOUT IMPEACHMENT ALMOST

IMMEDIATELY AFTER BUT NOTHING

WOULD RISE TO THAT LEVEL.

WHY DO YOU THINK THIS UKRAINIAN

CONVERSATION, EVERYONE SEEMED TO

BE IN SYNC FROM CERTAIN MEDIA

OUTLETS TO SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE,

BEFORE THE CALL WAS RELEASED,

BEFORE THE NINE-PAGE COMPLAINT

WAS OUT?

>> IT IS A LITTLE TOO CONVENIENT

THEY HAD A PERFECTLY DRAFFED

DOCUMENT.

YOU HAD A SPEAKER WHO SAID ON

"60 MINUTES" HAD A PREVIEW OF

IT.

VANYA

ADAM SCHIFF SAID HE KNEW

IDENTITY OF THE WHISTLEBLOWER.

IT'S A LITTLE TOO CONVENIENT.

INSPECTOR HOROWITZ AND DURHAM

COMING OUT.

BRIAN: WITH A COUNTER NARRATIVE

ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION OF

DONALD TRUMP BUT THIS, THEY HOPE

PUN INTENDED TRUMPS THAT?

>> WELL LOOK, IF ADAM SCHIFF

REALLY HAD THE GOODS ON THE

PRESIDENT HE WOULD HAVE LED WITH

THAT.

INSTEAD, HE TO EMBELLISH WHAT

THE PRESIDENT SAID, LIE ABOUT

IT.

BY THE WAY THE HOUSE SHOULD

STAND UP FOR ITSELF.

KEVIN AMERICA CART THINK SHOULD

DEMAND SHOULD HAVE TAKEN WORDS

DOWN IN THAT COMMITTEE.

YOU CANNOT DISPARAGE THE

PRESIDENT.

YOU CANNOT ADDRESS THE

PRESIDENT.

THERE ARE HOUSE RULES THEY

SHOULD GO AFTER THIS GUY, HE

SHOULD BE CENSURED SCHIFF

SHOULD.

BRIAN: WHAT GUY?

>> SCHIFF.

HE DID THE PARODY EMBELLISHED.

HE LIED ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT

SAID.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS TREASON.

IT IS IN VIOLATION OF HOUSE

RULES.

THEY SHOULD CALL IT OUT AND PASS

ON THAT.

BRIAN: HE WAS READING FROM A

PAPER AS IF IT WAS DIALOGUE.

>> THIS WAS HIGHLY SCRIPTED.

THIS WAS NOT SOME I AM PROBLEM

TU THING, HE DID IT ON PURPOSE

BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE ISN'T

THERE.

THE EVIDENCE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE TO GO

OUT --

AINSLEY: WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

WHEN WILL THE VOTE HAPPEN.

>> SUCH URGENT NATIONAL CONCERN

THEY HAD TO GO ON RECESS FOR TWO

WEEKS SO DEMOCRATS CAN DO

POLLING TO FIGURE OUT, LET'S

FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING

NEXT.

BRIAN: 50/50 WHETHER THE PEOPLE

WANT IT.

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

STEVE: REALLY INTERESTING HOW

YOU EXPLAIN WHY THEY DID NOT

TAKE A VOTE.

IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

CHECK AT HESS NEW BOOK.

IT IS CALLED, "POWER GRAB."

BRIAN: REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE

WHAT IS GOING ON NOW.

>> THIS IS CHAPTER ON