TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF A CYBERATTACK FROM TEHRAN.

CYBERATTACK FROM TEHRAN. >> Reporter: WHAT IS THE

>> Reporter: WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT AN ALL-OUT CYBER

LIKELIHOOD THAT AN ALL-OUT CYBER WAR COULD OCCUR BETWEEN IRAN AND

WAR COULD OCCUR BETWEEN IRAN AND THE UNITED STATES?

THE UNITED STATES? >> YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALREADY

>> YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALREADY SOME THAT WILL SAY WE'RE ALREADY

SOME THAT WILL SAY WE'RE ALREADY IN A CYBER WAR WITH IRAN.

IN A CYBER WAR WITH IRAN. IRAN IS A VERY OVERT, AGGRESSIVE

IRAN IS A VERY OVERT, AGGRESSIVE TYPE OF REGIME WHERE THEY USE

TYPE OF REGIME WHERE THEY USE CYBER CAPABILITIES TO BENEFIT

CYBER CAPABILITIES TO BENEFIT THEIR OWN REGIME, WHETHER IT IS

THEIR OWN REGIME, WHETHER IT IS MONETARY GAIN OR MILITARY

MONETARY GAIN OR MILITARY PREPAREDNESS.

PREPAREDNESS. IRAN SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON

IRAN SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THEIR CYBER CAPABILITIES.

THEIR CYBER CAPABILITIES. THEY'VE BEEN TRACED BACK TO THE

THEY'VE BEEN TRACED BACK TO THE SAUDI BREACH.

SAUDI BREACH. THEY'VE BEEN CAPABLE OF CAUSING

THEY'VE BEEN CAPABLE OF CAUSING A LOT OF DEVASTATION AND THINGS

A LOT OF DEVASTATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN HERE

LIKE THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN HERE ON THE HOME FRONT, WHETHER IT IS

ON THE HOME FRONT, WHETHER IT IS THE ELECTRIC GRID, WHETHER IT IS

THE ELECTRIC GRID, WHETHER IT IS OUR WATER TREATMENT FACILITIES,

OUR WATER TREATMENT FACILITIES, THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING BACK

THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING BACK IN 2011 TO 2013 IN OUR FINANCIAL

IN 2011 TO 2013 IN OUR FINANCIAL SECTOR, ALL OF THOSE ARE ON THE

SECTOR, ALL OF THOSE ARE ON THE TABLE FOR IRAN.

TABLE FOR IRAN. >> WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT A

>> WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT A RETALIATION ON IRAN'S PART,

RETALIATION ON IRAN'S PART, PEOPLE MIGHT THINK ABOUT

PEOPLE MIGHT THINK ABOUT BOMBINGS OR A PHYSICAL

BOMBINGS OR A PHYSICAL RETALIATION, BUT THERE IS ALSO

RETALIATION, BUT THERE IS ALSO THIS CYBER OPTION.

THIS CYBER OPTION. SO HOW WOULD A CYBER OPTION PLAY

SO HOW WOULD A CYBER OPTION PLAY OUT?

OUT? >> YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT

>> YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT MILITARY CAPABILITIES WITH THE

MILITARY CAPABILITIES WITH THE UNITED STATES, WE CREATED WHAT

UNITED STATES, WE CREATED WHAT WAS CALLED CYBER COMMAND WHICH

WAS CALLED CYBER COMMAND WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DIRECT

WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DIRECT KINETIC EXTENSION ON TOP OF WHAT

KINETIC EXTENSION ON TOP OF WHAT WE CAN DO FROM A MILITARY

WE CAN DO FROM A MILITARY BOOTS-ON-GROUND CAPABILITIES.

BOOTS-ON-GROUND CAPABILITIES. OTHER COUNTRIES INCLUDING IRAN

OTHER COUNTRIES INCLUDING IRAN HAS A VAST CYBER CAPABILITY THAT

HAS A VAST CYBER CAPABILITY THAT THEY USE DIRECTLY FOR MILITARY

THEY USE DIRECTLY FOR MILITARY OPERATION.

OPERATION. WHEN IRAN LOOKS AT THESE

WHEN IRAN LOOKS AT THESE CAPABILITIES THEY SAY HOW CAN WE

CAPABILITIES THEY SAY HOW CAN WE RETALIATE IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T

RETALIATE IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T TRIGGER A FULL-OUT SCALE WAR BUT

TRIGGER A FULL-OUT SCALE WAR BUT CAUSES DAMAGE IN THE UNITED

CAUSES DAMAGE IN THE UNITED STATES.

STATES. CAN THEY CAUSE A POWER OUTAGE IN

CAN THEY CAUSE A POWER OUTAGE IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS OR CITIES?

CERTAIN LOCATIONS OR CITIES? CAN THEY HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR

CAN THEY HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR FINANCIAL SECTOR WHERE WE CAN'T

FINANCIAL SECTOR WHERE WE CAN'T MAKE TRANSACTIONS.

MAKE TRANSACTIONS. >> Reporter: TYPICALLY WHEN WE

>> Reporter: TYPICALLY WHEN WE THINK ABOUT MILITARY

THINK ABOUT MILITARY CAPABILITIES, THE MEASUREMENT

CAPABILITIES, THE MEASUREMENT FOR THE STRENGTH OF THE MILITARY

FOR THE STRENGTH OF THE MILITARY CAPABILITIES IS THE PHYSICAL

CAPABILITIES IS THE PHYSICAL EQUIPMENT, HOW MUCH A COUNTRY

EQUIPMENT, HOW MUCH A COUNTRY SPENDS ON THE MILITARY BUDGET

SPENDS ON THE MILITARY BUDGET EVERY YEAR.

EVERY YEAR. HOW DO YOU ASSESS A COUNTRY'S

HOW DO YOU ASSESS A COUNTRY'S CYBER CAPABILITIES?

CYBER CAPABILITIES? >> I MEAN WE HAVE THE

>> I MEAN WE HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OF SHUTTING DOWN

CAPABILITIES OF SHUTTING DOWN ENTIRE COUNTRIES, SHUTTING DOWN

ENTIRE COUNTRIES, SHUTTING DOWN THEIR COMMUNICATIONS.

THEIR COMMUNICATIONS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IRAN

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IRAN SPECIFICALLY, THEY RECOGNIZE

SPECIFICALLY, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THEY CANNOT FIGHT US

THAT THEY CANNOT FIGHT US ONE-ON-ONE WHEN IT COMES TO A

ONE-ON-ONE WHEN IT COMES TO A MILITARY CAMPAIGN.

MILITARY CAMPAIGN. WE WILL WIN, SO IRAN HAS SPENT A

WE WILL WIN, SO IRAN HAS SPENT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY

SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY BEEFING UP THEIR ENTIRE CYBER

BEEFING UP THEIR ENTIRE CYBER WARFARE CAPABILITIES AND HAVE

WARFARE CAPABILITIES AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO INFLICT IT BACK

THE ABILITY TO INFLICT IT BACK ON THE UNITED STATES AS A WAY OF

ON THE UNITED STATES AS A WAY OF TRYING TO RETALIATE BACK WITHOUT

TRYING TO RETALIATE BACK WITHOUT A FULL-BLOWN WARFARE TYPE OF

A FULL-BLOWN WARFARE TYPE OF SITUATION.

SITUATION. >> Reporter: IS THE U.S. ABLE TO

>> Reporter: IS THE U.S. ABLE TO DEFLECT AND PREVENT AN IRANIAN

DEFLECT AND PREVENT AN IRANIAN CYBERATTACK?

CYBERATTACK? >> UNFORTUNATELY, THE WORLD THAT

>> UNFORTUNATELY, THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN TODAY WITH TECHNOLOGY

WE LIVE IN TODAY WITH TECHNOLOGY AND HOW WE DO BUSINESS, EVERY

AND HOW WE DO BUSINESS, EVERY COMPANY, EVERY MILITARY

COMPANY, EVERY MILITARY INSTALLATION, THEY'RE ALL HOOKED

INSTALLATION, THEY'RE ALL HOOKED UP TO THE INTERNET IN SOME WAY,

UP TO THE INTERNET IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

SHAPE OR FORM. IF YOU LOOK AT IRAN'S

IF YOU LOOK AT IRAN'S CAPABILITIES, WHILE THEY MAY NOT

CAPABILITIES, WHILE THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE SOPHISTICATION TO

HAVE THE SOPHISTICATION TO TARGET A LOT OF OUR CLASSIFIED

TARGET A LOT OF OUR CLASSIFIED SYSTEMS OR CORE INFRASTRUCTURE

SYSTEMS OR CORE INFRASTRUCTURE NETWORK FOR THE MILITARY, THEY

NETWORK FOR THE MILITARY, THEY HAVE THOSE CAPABILITIES TO

HAVE THOSE CAPABILITIES TO INFLICT DAMAGE UPON US HERE IN

INFLICT DAMAGE UPON US HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

THE UNITED STATES. WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD DETERRENT

WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD DETERRENT TO STOP THAT.

TO STOP THAT. COMPANIES REALLY NEED TO BE

COMPANIES REALLY NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY

CAUTIOUS RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TURMOIL WE ARE SEEING.

WITH THE TURMOIL WE ARE SEEING. WE DO EXPECT CYBERATTACKS TO

WE DO EXPECT CYBERATTACKS TO REALLY COME FORWARD.

REALLY COME FORWARD. COMPANIES NEED TO BE VIGILANT.

COMPANIES NEED TO BE VIGILANT. THEY NEED TO MONITOR THEIR

THEY NEED TO MONITOR THEIR SYSTEMS.

SYSTEMS. THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BOLSTER

THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BOLSTER THE SECURITY SYSTEMS AS MUCH AS

THE SECURITY SYSTEMS AS MUCH AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN DURING THESE

THEY POSSIBLY CAN DURING THESE HEIGHTENED PERIOD OF TIME

HEIGHTENED PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE THEY WILL SEE

BECAUSE THEY WILL SEE RETALIATION FROM THE IRANIAN

RETALIATION FROM THE IRANIAN REGIME.

REGIME. ONE THING TO NOTE IS

ONE THING TO NOTE IS CATASTROPHIC LOSS OF LIFE I

CATASTROPHIC LOSS OF LIFE I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO BE IN

DON'T THINK IS GOING TO BE IN THE PLANS FOR IRAN.

THE PLANS FOR IRAN. WHAT WE DO EXPECT THOUGH IS

WHAT WE DO EXPECT THOUGH IS THINGS THAT CAN CAUSE PAIN BACK

THINGS THAT CAN CAUSE PAIN BACK HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT

HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT CAUSE FEAR, FEAR IN THE UNITED

CAUSE FEAR, FEAR IN THE UNITED STATES TO CHANGE POLICY, OR

STATES TO CHANGE POLICY, OR MAYBE LIFT THE SANCTIONS OR TALK

MAYBE LIFT THE SANCTIONS OR TALK OF PEACE OR THINGS LIKE THAT TO

OF PEACE OR THINGS LIKE THAT TO OCCUR.

OCCUR. IT IS REALLY A BACK AND FORTH WE

IT IS REALLY A BACK AND FORTH WE ARE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW.

ARE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW. >> Reporter: IS THERE A WORLD IN

>> Reporter: IS THERE A WORLD IN WHICH A CYBERATTACK ON THE U.S.

WHICH A CYBERATTACK ON THE U.S. INVOLVES MORE COUNTRIES THAN

INVOLVES MORE COUNTRIES THAN JUST TWO?

JUST TWO? >> YOU HAVE THE UNITED STATES

>> YOU HAVE THE UNITED STATES HACKING CHINA, CHINA IS HACKING

HACKING CHINA, CHINA IS HACKING THE UNITED STATES, UNITED STATES

THE UNITED STATES, UNITED STATES THE HACKING RUSSIA, RUSSIA IS

THE HACKING RUSSIA, RUSSIA IS HACKING THE UNITED STATES.

HACKING THE UNITED STATES. EVERYBODY IS HACKING ONE

EVERYBODY IS HACKING ONE ANOTHER, BUT THERE ARE

ANOTHER, BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY ALLIES IN THIS FIELD.

DEFINITELY ALLIES IN THIS FIELD. YOU LOOK AT GREAT BRITAIN, FOR

YOU LOOK AT GREAT BRITAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE UK WHAT WE HAVE

EXAMPLE, IN THE UK WHAT WE HAVE WITH THEM AND WHAT WE CALL

WITH THEM AND WHAT WE CALL OURFULLY OUR

OURFULLY OUR FLY BYES, YOU KNOW, IRAN IS

FLY BYES, YOU KNOW, IRAN IS SUPPORTED BY RUSSIA AS WELL AS

SUPPORTED BY RUSSIA AS WELL AS LOOSE TIES TO CHINA AS WELL.

LOOSE TIES TO CHINA AS WELL. CAN WE SEE OTHER PEOPLE HELPING

CAN WE SEE OTHER PEOPLE HELPING OR AUGMENTING THEM WITH

OR AUGMENTING THEM WITH ADDITIONAL CAPABILITIES, THAT'S

ADDITIONAL CAPABILITIES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE.

SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE. >> Reporter: WHEN WE TALK ABOUT

>> Reporter: WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A STRIKE, THERE'S A CONFIRMATION

A STRIKE, THERE'S A CONFIRMATION ABOUT THE AUTHORIZATION THAT THE

ABOUT THE AUTHORIZATION THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAD TO

TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAD TO CONDUCT THAT STRIKE.

CONDUCT THAT STRIKE. WHAT ARE THE AUTHORIZATIONS THAT

WHAT ARE THE AUTHORIZATIONS THAT GOVERN CYBER SPACE?

GOVERN CYBER SPACE? >> THIS IS A LOOSELY DEFINED

>> THIS IS A LOOSELY DEFINED AREA OF WARFARE.

AREA OF WARFARE. WE IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE

WE IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE SPECK LAWS TO

SPECK LAWS TO SPECIFIC LAWS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW,

SPECIFIC LAWS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, BUT OTHER COUNTRIES DON'T HAVE

BUT OTHER COUNTRIES DON'T HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.

THE SAME RESTRICTIONS. YOU HAVE A LOT OF GROUPS WORKING

YOU HAVE A LOT OF GROUPS WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE IRANIAN REGIME,

ON BEHALF OF THE IRANIAN REGIME, WORKING FOR THE IRANIAN REGIME,

WORKING FOR THE IRANIAN REGIME, OR, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF

OR, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF RUSSIA, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT

RUSSIA, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND GROUPS TRYING

ORGANIZATIONS AND GROUPS TRYING TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHO IT IS

TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHO IT IS BECOMES CHALLENGING.

BECOMES CHALLENGING. SO THE FIELD IS REALLY DIFFICULT

SO THE FIELD IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND ATTRIBUTION AND

TO UNDERSTAND ATTRIBUTION AND WHO IS ACTUALLY HACKING AS WELL

WHO IS ACTUALLY HACKING AS WELL AS WHAT THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT