>> Martha: SENATOR HAWLEY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU. JOINING ME NOW, TREY GOWDY NELLY

JOINING ME NOW, TREY GOWDY NELLY FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR.

FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

TONIGHT. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

GOOD TO SEE YOU. IS IT OKAY FOR RAND PAUL TO

IS IT OKAY FOR RAND PAUL TO MENTION THE NAME IN HIS TWEET

MENTION THE NAME IN HIS TWEET TODAY.

TODAY. HE SAID HE MENTIONED A NAME,

HE SAID HE MENTIONED A NAME, KNOWS WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON

KNOWS WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON IS WHISTLE-BLOWER BUT WANTS TO

IS WHISTLE-BLOWER BUT WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT THAT PERSON’S

KNOW ABOUT THAT PERSON’S POTENTIAL INVOLVEMENT IN THE

POTENTIAL INVOLVEMENT IN THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS.

BEGINNING OF ALL THIS. >> MARTHA, I ACTUALLY THINK BOTH

>> MARTHA, I ACTUALLY THINK BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG IN THE SPIRIT WE

SIDES ARE WRONG IN THE SPIRIT WE MAKE 4-YEAR-OLDS TESTIFY IN

MAKE 4-YEAR-OLDS TESTIFY IN COURT.

COURT. WE MAKE WOMEN WHO WERE SEXUALLY

WE MAKE WOMEN WHO WERE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED IN COURT.

ASSAULTED IN COURT. YOU COULD ESCAPE THE

YOU COULD ESCAPE THE CROSS-EXAMINE, WE DON’T DO IT

CROSS-EXAMINE, WE DON’T DO IT FOR ANYONE ELSE, WHY THIS

FOR ANYONE ELSE, WHY THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER?

WHISTLE-BLOWER? THE OTHER THING, ABOUT THIS

THE OTHER THING, ABOUT THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER, I DON’T NEED

WHISTLE-BLOWER, I DON’T NEED HIM!

HIM! WHY DO I CARE SOMEONE WHO

WHY DO I CARE SOMEONE WHO OVERHEARD THE CONVERSATION FELT

OVERHEARD THE CONVERSATION FELT ABOUT IT OR THOUGHT ABOUT IT OR

ABOUT IT OR THOUGHT ABOUT IT OR BELIEVED ABOUT IT.

BELIEVED ABOUT IT. I CAN READ IT FOR MYSELF.

I CAN READ IT FOR MYSELF. THE WHISTLE-BLOWER IS RELEVANT

THE WHISTLE-BLOWER IS RELEVANT BUT HE’S NOT MATERIAL AND THERE

BUT HE’S NOT MATERIAL AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF WITNESSES I THINK

ARE PLENTY OF WITNESSES I THINK WOULD BE MORE PROBATIVE THAN THE

WOULD BE MORE PROBATIVE THAN THE WHISTLE-BLOWER OF A TRANSCRIPT

WHISTLE-BLOWER OF A TRANSCRIPT YOU AND I CAN READ OURSELVES.

YOU AND I CAN READ OURSELVES. >> Martha: TO THE POINT THAT I

>> Martha: TO THE POINT THAT I HAD BEEN TALKED ABOUT EARLIER,

HAD BEEN TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, PUSHED OPEN A PROCESS THAT

PUSHED OPEN A PROCESS THAT VIOLATES THE ISSUE OF THE

VIOLATES THE ISSUE OF THE PRESIDENT’S RIGHT TO HAVE

PRESIDENT’S RIGHT TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE NOT PUBLIC,

DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE NOT PUBLIC, PUSHED OUT IN THE PUBLIC, EVEN

PUSHED OUT IN THE PUBLIC, EVEN THOUGH HE KNOWS OR KNEW AT THAT

THOUGH HE KNOWS OR KNEW AT THAT TIME THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE ON

TIME THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE ON THE CALL BUT THEY ARE IN THE

THE CALL BUT THEY ARE IN THE CIRCLE FOR THAT REASON.

CIRCLE FOR THAT REASON. ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE

ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE PRECEDENT THAT’S BEEN SET WITH

PRECEDENT THAT’S BEEN SET WITH THAT WITH ALL OF THIS?

THAT WITH ALL OF THIS? >> THE REMEDY OF THAT IS TO

>> THE REMEDY OF THAT IS TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON

LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THOSE CALLS.

THOSE CALLS. THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES ANYBODY

THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES ANYBODY TAKES UNPRECEDENTED ACTS, IF YOU

TAKES UNPRECEDENTED ACTS, IF YOU LISTEN TO A CONVERSATION OF A

LISTEN TO A CONVERSATION OF A PRESIDENT AND THE LEADER OF

PRESIDENT AND THE LEADER OF ANOTHER COUNTRY AND THEN YOU

ANOTHER COUNTRY AND THEN YOU VOIDED TO NULLIFY THAT

VOIDED TO NULLIFY THAT CONFIDENCE AND TELL SOMEBODY

CONFIDENCE AND TELL SOMEBODY ABOUT IT, THE PRESIDENT SHOULD

ABOUT IT, THE PRESIDENT SHOULD SHRINK THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON

SHRINK THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE CULPRIT THAT’S THE REMEDY OF

THE CULPRIT THAT’S THE REMEDY OF THAT.

THAT. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, A DOZEN

LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, A DOZEN PEOPLE OUT OF THIS CALL, DO YOU

PEOPLE OUT OF THIS CALL, DO YOU REALLY NEED A DOZEN PEOPLE TO

REALLY NEED A DOZEN PEOPLE TO TAKE NOTES?

TAKE NOTES? >> TAKE IT TO A VOTE ON

>> TAKE IT TO A VOTE ON WITNESSES?

WITNESSES? >> YOU KNOW, MARTHA, I TALKED TO

>> YOU KNOW, MARTHA, I TALKED TO MY SENATE BUDDIES ON THE WAY

MY SENATE BUDDIES ON THE WAY OVER TONIGHT IN MY TRUCK ON THE

OVER TONIGHT IN MY TRUCK ON THE CELL PHONE.

CELL PHONE. I’M NOT CONVINCED THAT THEY HAVE

I’M NOT CONVINCED THAT THEY HAVE THE VOTES FOR WITNESSES.

THE VOTES FOR WITNESSES. I THINK THAT’S STILL VERY MUCH

I THINK THAT’S STILL VERY MUCH UP IN THE AIR AND I THINK MY

UP IN THE AIR AND I THINK MY REPUBLICAN FRIENDS IN THE SENATE

REPUBLICAN FRIENDS IN THE SENATE ARE WORRIED THAT THEY -- SOME

ARE WORRIED THAT THEY -- SOME FOLKS MAY VOTE FOR BOLTON AND NO

FOLKS MAY VOTE FOR BOLTON AND NO FOCUS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

FOCUS ON THE OTHER SIDE. THAT MAY BE AN UNMITIGATED

THAT MAY BE AN UNMITIGATED DISASTER FOR REPUBLICANS.

DISASTER FOR REPUBLICANS. IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE BOLTON

IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE BOLTON AND HAVE HUNTER BIDEN, IF YOU

AND HAVE HUNTER BIDEN, IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE MULVANEY, YOU

ARE GOING TO HAVE MULVANEY, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED JOE BIDEN.

ARE GOING TO NEED JOE BIDEN. THE NOTION THAT YOU’RE GOING TO

THE NOTION THAT YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE THE HOUSE WHO COULD’VE

HAVE THE HOUSE WHO COULD’VE CALLED ALL OF THEIR WITNESSES,

CALLED ALL OF THEIR WITNESSES, BUT DID NOT, WE ARE GOING TO

BUT DID NOT, WE ARE GOING TO REWARD THAT WITH AN APPEARANCE

REWARD THAT WITH AN APPEARANCE IN THE SENATE?

IN THE SENATE? I WOULD JUST CAUTION MY

I WOULD JUST CAUTION MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES IN THE

REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES IN THE SENATE, DO NOT FALL FOR THAT HE

SENATE, DO NOT FALL FOR THAT HE WOULD EITHER HAVE NO WITNESSES

WOULD EITHER HAVE NO WITNESSES OR HAVE SOME PARITY AMONG THE

OR HAVE SOME PARITY AMONG THE WITNESSES.

WITNESSES. I DO NOT THINK IT’S A FOREGONE

I DO NOT THINK IT’S A FOREGONE ASSURANCE THAT THEY WILL NOT

ASSURANCE THAT THEY WILL NOT VOTE TO HAVE WITNESSES.

VOTE TO HAVE WITNESSES. NOT YET.

NOT YET. >> Martha: INTERESTING.

>> Martha: INTERESTING. EVEN SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM

EVEN SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM SOUNDING PRETTY CONFIDENT ABOUT

SOUNDING PRETTY CONFIDENT ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

ALL OF THIS. SENATOR McCONNELL SEEMS TO

SENATOR McCONNELL SEEMS TO HAVE MORE OF A SPRING IN A STEP

HAVE MORE OF A SPRING IN A STEP THAT HE DID YESTERDAY ON THIS

THAT HE DID YESTERDAY ON THIS ISSUE, ARE THERE SPECIFIC

ISSUE, ARE THERE SPECIFIC SENATORS YOU ARE GETTING WORD OR

SENATORS YOU ARE GETTING WORD OR MAYBE NOT SURE AT THIS POINT?

MAYBE NOT SURE AT THIS POINT? COLLINS?

COLLINS? LAMAR ALEXANDER?

LAMAR ALEXANDER? >> I MEAN, ROMNEY FOR SURE.

>> I MEAN, ROMNEY FOR SURE. MAKOWSKI, COLLINS.

MAKOWSKI, COLLINS. I THINK YOU GET A SENSE OF THE

I THINK YOU GET A SENSE OF THE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED.

QUESTIONS BEING ASKED. MOST OF THE QUESTIONS ARE

MOST OF THE QUESTIONS ARE LEADING ANSWERS DOWN THE

LEADING ANSWERS DOWN THE QUESTIONS THAT ASSUME THE ANSWER

QUESTIONS THAT ASSUME THE ANSWER BUT THERE ARE SOME SENATORS THAT

BUT THERE ARE SOME SENATORS THAT ARE REALLY ASKING A LEGITIMATE,

ARE REALLY ASKING A LEGITIMATE, DIRECT OPEN QUESTION.

DIRECT OPEN QUESTION. SOLICITING MORE INFORMATION.

SOLICITING MORE INFORMATION. TO THE EXTENT THOSE ARE

TO THE EXTENT THOSE ARE REPUBLICANS AND I’VE HEARD IT

REPUBLICANS AND I’VE HEARD IT FROM COLLINS, I’VE HEARD FROM

FROM COLLINS, I’VE HEARD FROM MURKOWSKI --

MURKOWSKI -- BE WHEN THERE IS A QUESTION BY

BE WHEN THERE IS A QUESTION BY COLLINS AND MURKOWSKI

COLLINS AND MURKOWSKI ASKING IF THE PRESIDENT HAD DISC

ASKING IF THE PRESIDENT HAD DISC THE BIDENS WITH REGARDS TO THE

THE BIDENS WITH REGARDS TO THE LARGER ISSUE OF CORRUPTION AND

LARGER ISSUE OF CORRUPTION AND WHEN THE FIRST TIME THAT CAME

WHEN THE FIRST TIME THAT CAME UP.

UP. IS THAT THE QUESTION YOU SAW AS

IS THAT THE QUESTION YOU SAW AS A RED FLAG?

A RED FLAG? >> THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION

>> THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HEARD WHICH WAS IS IT

THAT I HEARD WHICH WAS IS IT EVER APPROPRIATE TO INVESTIGATE

EVER APPROPRIATE TO INVESTIGATE A POLITICAL OPPONENT?

A POLITICAL OPPONENT? AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES?

AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES? I REMEMBER ADAM TOOK A PASS ON

I REMEMBER ADAM TOOK A PASS ON THAT AND I DIDN’T THINK IT WAS A

THAT AND I DIDN’T THINK IT WAS A GREAT ANSWER FROM THE

GREAT ANSWER FROM THE PRESIDENT’S ATTORNEYS.

PRESIDENT’S ATTORNEYS. BUT THAT’S A REALLY GOOD

BUT THAT’S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

QUESTION. WHAT ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER

WHAT ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE?

WHICH IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? THE FACT THAT SOMEONE’S RUNNING

THE FACT THAT SOMEONE’S RUNNING AGAINST ME DOES NOT GIVE ME AN

AGAINST ME DOES NOT GIVE ME AN IMMUNITY FROM CRIME.

IMMUNITY FROM CRIME. IT MEANS I SHOULDN’T INVESTIGATE

IT MEANS I SHOULDN’T INVESTIGATE THEM BUT DOESN’T MEAN THEY

THEM BUT DOESN’T MEAN THEY SHOULD NOT BE INVESTIGATED.

SHOULD NOT BE INVESTIGATED. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

QUESTION. I THINK KYRSTEN SINEMA PROBABLY

I THINK KYRSTEN SINEMA PROBABLY NOT ON THE WITNESSES, CERTAINLY

NOT ON THE WITNESSES, CERTAINLY ON THE ISSUE OF ACQUITTAL OR

ON THE ISSUE OF ACQUITTAL OR CONVICTION, I THINK SINEMA ASKED

CONVICTION, I THINK SINEMA ASKED A GREAT QUESTION LAST NIGHT AND

A GREAT QUESTION LAST NIGHT AND KNOWING HER THE WAY I DO I WOULD

KNOWING HER THE WAY I DO I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF YOU ARE NOT

BE SURPRISED IF YOU ARE NOT GENERALLY UNDECIDED ON THE

GENERALLY UNDECIDED ON THE VERDICT BUT NOT ON WITNESSES.

VERDICT BUT NOT ON WITNESSES. >> Martha: DO YOU THINK WE’LL

>> Martha: DO YOU THINK WE’LL SEE SOME DEMOCRATIC SENATORS

SEE SOME DEMOCRATIC SENATORS VOTE TO ACQUIT?

VOTE TO ACQUIT? >> FOR SURE YOU’LL SEE ONE FROM

>> FOR SURE YOU’LL SEE ONE FROM ALABAMA IF HE WANTS TO BE CALLED

ALABAMA IF HE WANTS TO BE CALLED SENATOR AGAIN, HE’LL BE CALLED

SENATOR AGAIN, HE’LL BE CALLED CALLED TO ACQUIT, JOE MANCHIN.

CALLED TO ACQUIT, JOE MANCHIN. SINEMA IS HER OWN PERSON AND

SINEMA IS HER OWN PERSON AND SHE’S NOT AFRAID OF ANYONE AND

SHE’S NOT AFRAID OF ANYONE AND SHE IS GOING ABOUT HER

SHE IS GOING ABOUT HER CONSCIENCE AND DOESN’T MATTER

CONSCIENCE AND DOESN’T MATTER WHAT ANYBODY ELSE THINKS AND

WHAT ANYBODY ELSE THINKS AND THAT’S PART OF WHY I LIKE AND

THAT’S PART OF WHY I LIKE AND RESPECT HER SO MUCH.

RESPECT HER SO MUCH. I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HER ABOUT

I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HER ABOUT IT.

IT. I DO NOT THINK YOU’LL LOSE ANY

I DO NOT THINK YOU’LL LOSE ANY ANY REPUBLICANS.

ANY REPUBLICANS. YOU MAY PICK UP COLLINS MANCHIN