Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles BILL KARINS. >> DEFINITELY. >> DEFINITELY. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >>> ALL RIGHT. >>> ALL RIGHT. HEY, CHRIS MATTHEWS, I WANT TO HEY, CHRIS MATTHEWS, I WANT TO JUST ASK YOU A GENERAL QUESTION JUST ASK YOU A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT WHERE WE ARE PLIT KREEOLIT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE PLIT KREEOLIT RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW. FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THEIR FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THEIR DEFINING ELECTION WAS THE DEFINING ELECTION WAS THE ELECTION OF JFK IN 1960. ELECTION OF JFK IN 1960. FOR ME, FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT FOR ME, FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS, IT WAS REAGAN IN 1980. REASONS, IT WAS REAGAN IN 1980. I ALWAYS REMEMBER ON THE FRIDAY I ALWAYS REMEMBER ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE IT WAS A TOSS-UP, IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS A TOSS-UP, IT WAS GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE. GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE. WE’RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WE’RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN EXACTLY WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN THIS FALL. THIS FALL. YOU HAVE A SERIES OF POLLS OUT YOU HAVE A SERIES OF POLLS OUT SHOWING DONALD TRUMP IN THE MID SHOWING DONALD TRUMP IN THE MID 30s, MITCH McCONNELL IS NOW 30s, MITCH McCONNELL IS NOW TALKING ABOUT A KNIFE FIGHT IN TALKING ABOUT A KNIFE FIGHT IN THE SENATE. THE SENATE. YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHICH WAY YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHICH WAY THESE THINGS ARE GOING, BUT I THESE THINGS ARE GOING, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHEN YOU WERE WAS JUST CURIOUS WHEN YOU WERE WITH TIP O’NEAL IN 1980 DID YOU WITH TIP O’NEAL IN 1980 DID YOU SEE IT COMING? SEE IT COMING? DOES IT FEEL LIKE A SIMILAR WAVE DOES IT FEEL LIKE A SIMILAR WAVE THIS YEAR OR IS IT JUST TOO THIS YEAR OR IS IT JUST TOO EARLY TO TELL? EARLY TO TELL? >> WELL, I REALLY WAS WITH HIM >> WELL, I REALLY WAS WITH HIM FROM ’81 ON SO ’81 HAD ALREADY FROM ’81 ON SO ’81 HAD ALREADY HAPPENED, BUT ’82 WAS THE ONE I HAPPENED, BUT ’82 WAS THE ONE I WORKED ON AND WE PICKED UP 26 WORKED ON AND WE PICKED UP 26 SEATS AND THAT FELT LIKE A SEATS AND THAT FELT LIKE A PRETTY GOOD WAVE BECAUSE THE PRETTY GOOD WAVE BECAUSE THE SOCIAL SECURITY AND THE SOCIAL SECURITY AND THE RECESSION COMING ON AND I THINK RECESSION COMING ON AND I THINK THE SPEAKER DID A HELL OF A JOB THE SPEAKER DID A HELL OF A JOB OF RAISING THOSE ISSUES. OF RAISING THOSE ISSUES. I THINK THIS IS STRONGER. I THINK THIS IS STRONGER. I THINK IT’S STRONGER THAN 26, I I THINK IT’S STRONGER THAN 26, I THINK IT’S A REAL WAVE, THINK IT’S A REAL WAVE, SOMETHING LIKE 94, 74. SOMETHING LIKE 94, 74. I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE PICKED UP 30 TO 40 SEATS IN THE PICKED UP 30 TO 40 SEATS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE CAN WOBBLY HOUSE AND THE SENATE CAN WOBBLY RIGHT NOW, IT’S IN OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, IT’S IN OUR COUNTRY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IT LOOKS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IT LOOKS LIKE THESE RACES ARE COMING DOWN LIKE THESE RACES ARE COMING DOWN TO -- I THINK DONNELLY WILL WIN TO -- I THINK DONNELLY WILL WIN IN INDIANA, I THINK MANCHIN IS IN INDIANA, I THINK MANCHIN IS GOING TO WIN NOW, I THINK GOING TO WIN NOW, I THINK THERE’S SOME SAFETY FOR SOME OF THERE’S SOME SAFETY FOR SOME OF THESE GUYS, BUT INGMAR INOF THESE GUYS, BUT INGMAR INOF ERROR IS LIKE -- REMEMBER JUST ERROR IS LIKE -- REMEMBER JUST AS RECENTLY AS ’16 WE LOOKED AT AS RECENTLY AS ’16 WE LOOKED AT ALL THOSE RACES IN PENNSYLVANIA ALL THOSE RACES IN PENNSYLVANIA AND EVERYBODY SAID, OH, EDDIE AND EVERYBODY SAID, OH, EDDIE RENT DELL SAID WE WILL WIN BY RENT DELL SAID WE WILL WIN BY THREE. THREE. THAT’S MARGIN OF ERROR. THAT’S MARGIN OF ERROR. WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT TWO WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT TWO OR THREE POINTS YOU DON’T KNOW OR THREE POINTS YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT. IT’S TOO HARD TO PICK. IT’S TOO HARD TO PICK. THIS ELECTION WILL BE HARD TO THIS ELECTION WILL BE HARD TO PICK BUT I DO THINK THERE IS A PICK BUT I DO THINK THERE IS A WAVE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, I WAVE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, I THINK THIS LAST WEEK OR TWO HAVE THINK THIS LAST WEEK OR TWO HAVE BEEN TERRIBLE FOR HIM, I LOOKED BEEN TERRIBLE FOR HIM, I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS DROPPING DOWN TO AT THE NUMBERS DROPPING DOWN TO THE LOW 30s FOR HIM IN APPROVAL. THE LOW 30s FOR HIM IN APPROVAL. THESE ELECTIONS AS YOU KNOW, THESE ELECTIONS AS YOU KNOW, JOE, CHANGE HISTORY FOR 30 JOE, CHANGE HISTORY FOR 30 YEARS. YEARS. PEOPLE WILL GET ELECTED THIS PEOPLE WILL GET ELECTED THIS NOVEMBER THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER NOVEMBER THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAD A SHOT, PEOPLE LIKE -- TOM HAD A SHOT, PEOPLE LIKE -- TOM FOLEY OUT IN EASTERN WASHINGTON FOLEY OUT IN EASTERN WASHINGTON STATE WAS ELECTED ON A FLUKE, HE STATE WAS ELECTED ON A FLUKE, HE FILED THE LAST DAY, HE GOT INTO FILED THE LAST DAY, HE GOT INTO THE CONGRESS, HE SERVED FOR 30 THE CONGRESS, HE SERVED FOR 30 YEARS, HE BECAME SPEAKER OF THE YEARS, HE BECAME SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE UNTIL THE NEXT WAVE CAME HOUSE UNTIL THE NEXT WAVE CAME ALONG IN ’94. ALONG IN ’94. IT HAPPENS. IT HAPPENS. JIM HOWARD A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER JIM HOWARD A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER IN NEW JERSEY GOT ELECTED FOR IN NEW JERSEY GOT ELECTED FOR HIS WHOLE LIFE BECAUSE OF ONE OF HIS WHOLE LIFE BECAUSE OF ONE OF THESE WAVES. THESE WAVES. SO I THINK YOU’RE GOING -- AND SO I THINK YOU’RE GOING -- AND IF BETO WINS DOWN THERE HE WILL IF BETO WINS DOWN THERE HE WILL BE A MAJOR NATIONAL FIGURE BE A MAJOR NATIONAL FIGURE PRETTY QUICKLY. PRETTY QUICKLY. >> OH, MY GOSH. >> OH, MY GOSH. >> A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE YOU >> A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE YOU WILL SEE WHOLE CAREERS MADE OR WILL SEE WHOLE CAREERS MADE OR LOST AND WOMEN RUNNING, MINORITY LOST AND WOMEN RUNNING, MINORITY WOMEN, WOMEN OF COLOR, I THINK WOMEN, WOMEN OF COLOR, I THINK THE FACT THERE ARE SO MANY THE FACT THERE ARE SO MANY RUNNING THERE ARE GOING TO BE SO RUNNING THERE ARE GOING TO BE SO MANY THAT WIN AND THEY WILL BE MANY THAT WIN AND THEY WILL BE THERE THEIR WHOLE LIVES. THERE THEIR WHOLE LIVES. I THINK THIS ELECTION IS NOT I THINK THIS ELECTION IS NOT JUST A ONE-OFF. JUST A ONE-OFF. I THINK THIS ELECTION WILL BE I THINK THIS ELECTION WILL BE VERY BIG FOR THE DEMOCRATS. VERY BIG FOR THE DEMOCRATS. THEY MIGHT JUST WIN THE SENATE. THEY MIGHT JUST WIN THE SENATE. IT’S REALLY GOING TO BE POWERFUL IT’S REALLY GOING TO BE POWERFUL STUFF. STUFF. >> BY THE WAY, IF YOU SEE BETO >> BY THE WAY, IF YOU SEE BETO WIN IN ’18 YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE WIN IN ’18 YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE HIM ON A TICKET IN ’20 AS WELL. HIM ON A TICKET IN ’20 AS WELL. >> I AGREE. >> I AGREE. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS >> I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION I’VE BEEN ASKING PEOPLE QUESTION I’VE BEEN ASKING PEOPLE THE PAST FEW DAYS, DONALD TRUMP THE PAST FEW DAYS, DONALD TRUMP WAS SITTING AT 44, 45% EARLY WAS SITTING AT 44, 45% EARLY SPRING AND NOW HE’S DROPPED BACK SPRING AND NOW HE’S DROPPED BACK DOWN INTO THE 30s. DOWN INTO THE 30s. I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS, MAYBE CHILD SEPARATION, REASONS, MAYBE CHILD SEPARATION, MAYBE HELSINKI, I’M JUST MAYBE HELSINKI, I’M JUST CURIOUS, WHY DO YOU THINK THE CURIOUS, WHY DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT WAS MOVING INTO PRESIDENT WAS MOVING INTO TERRITORY WHERE HE HAD SOME OF TERRITORY WHERE HE HAD SOME OF HIS HIGHER APPROVAL RATINGS HIS HIGHER APPROVAL RATINGS SINCE BECOMING A POLITICIAN JUST SINCE BECOMING A POLITICIAN JUST SIX MONTHS AGO AND NOW HE’S BACK SIX MONTHS AGO AND NOW HE’S BACK TO THE 30s? TO THE 30s? >> THE ECONOMICS, HE’S BATTLING >> THE ECONOMICS, HE’S BATTLING HIS OWN GOOD ECONOMIC NUMBERS. HIS OWN GOOD ECONOMIC NUMBERS. HE HAS GREAT NUMBERS. HE HAS GREAT NUMBERS. WHO WOULDN’T BE BRAGGING ABOUT WHO WOULDN’T BE BRAGGING ABOUT THESE UNEMPLOYMENT RATES DOWN THESE UNEMPLOYMENT RATES DOWN WELL BELOW 4 AND YOU HAVE A WELL BELOW 4 AND YOU HAVE A MARKET THAT’S BOOMING BACK UP MARKET THAT’S BOOMING BACK UP THERE TO 2600 -- 26,000. THERE TO 2600 -- 26,000. YOU HAVE GREAT ECONOMIC NUMBERS. YOU HAVE GREAT ECONOMIC NUMBERS. IT’S HIM. IT’S HIM. ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME WE’RE HONORING -- REMEMBERING -- WE’RE HONORING -- REMEMBERING -- MARKING, I GUESS, 9/11. MARKING, I GUESS, 9/11. THE GREAT THING ABOUT 9/11 AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT 9/11 AND THERE WAS ONE GREAT THING ABOUT THERE WAS ONE GREAT THING ABOUT ALL THAT HORROR, IN THE WEEKS ALL THAT HORROR, IN THE WEEKS THEREAFTER YOU SAW A UNITY IN THEREAFTER YOU SAW A UNITY IN THIS COUNTRY WE HAD NEVER FELT THIS COUNTRY WE HAD NEVER FELT SINCE MAYBE WORLD WAR II. SINCE MAYBE WORLD WAR II. >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. >> A TREMENDOUS -- THE YUPPIES >> A TREMENDOUS -- THE YUPPIES AT THEIR SIDEWALK CAFES WERE AT THEIR SIDEWALK CAFES WERE CHEERING THE FIREFIGHTERS GOING CHEERING THE FIREFIGHTERS GOING BY ON THEIR ENGINES. BY ON THEIR ENGINES. THE CLASS DIFFERENCES WERE THE CLASS DIFFERENCES WERE RESOLVED FOR A WHILE. RESOLVED FOR A WHILE. THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS LOOKING THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS LOOKING OUT FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS IN OUT FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS IN A WAY THAT WAS WONDERFUL. A WAY THAT WAS WONDERFUL. PEOPLE WERE LOOKING -- PEOPLE -- PEOPLE WERE LOOKING -- PEOPLE -- YOU KNOW, KIDS WHEN THEY GROW UP YOU KNOW, KIDS WHEN THEY GROW UP THEY WANT TO BE NURSES AND THEY THEY WANT TO BE NURSES AND THEY WANT TO BE FIREFIGHTERS. WANT TO BE FIREFIGHTERS. THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT TO BE WHEN THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT TO BE WHEN YOU’RE FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS OLD. YOU’RE FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS OLD. YOU NATURALLY HAVE SORT OF A YOU NATURALLY HAVE SORT OF A HEROIC INSTINCT. HEROIC INSTINCT. YOU WANT TO BE A HERO TO PEOPLE, YOU WANT TO BE A HERO TO PEOPLE, YOU WANT TO BE THE GOOD GUY OR YOU WANT TO BE THE GOOD GUY OR GOOD WOMAN. GOOD WOMAN. I THINK 9/11 BROUGHT THAT I THINK 9/11 BROUGHT THAT INSTINCT OF KIDS OUT IN US. INSTINCT OF KIDS OUT IN US. I SPOKE AT THE FRIENDLY SONS I SPOKE AT THE FRIENDLY SONS THAT SPRING AND ALL I HAD TO DO THAT SPRING AND ALL I HAD TO DO WAS TALK ABOUT THE IRISH WAS TALK ABOUT THE IRISH TRADITION OF FIREFIGHTING IN NEW TRADITION OF FIREFIGHTING IN NEW YORK CITY AND I JUST STARTED YORK CITY AND I JUST STARTED LISTING NAMES, YOU KNOW, MOST OF LISTING NAMES, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE GUYS THAT GOT KILLED GOING THE GUYS THAT GOT KILLED GOING UP THOSE STAIRS WERE IRISH UP THOSE STAIRS WERE IRISH BECAUSE OF THOSE LONG GENERATION BECAUSE OF THOSE LONG GENERATION AFTER GENERATION TRADITIONS IN AFTER GENERATION TRADITIONS IN NEW YORK CITY OF ALWAYS BEING A NEW YORK CITY OF ALWAYS BEING A FIREFIGHTER. FIREFIGHTER. OF COURSE, WE HAD HISPANIC GUYS OF COURSE, WE HAD HISPANIC GUYS AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE, TOO, BUT THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS TOO, BUT THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS FEEL ABOUT THE WORKING CLASS AND FEEL ABOUT THE WORKING CLASS AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE IN A BIG HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE IN A BIG CITY LIKE NEW YORK. CITY LIKE NEW YORK. THE WORKING CLASS ARE THE ONES THE WORKING CLASS ARE THE ONES THAT SAVE YOU WHEN YOU ARE IN THAT SAVE YOU WHEN YOU ARE IN TROUBLE. TROUBLE. THEY ARE THE COPS THAT COME, THE THEY ARE THE COPS THAT COME, THE EMERGENCY WORKERS, THEY ARE THE EMERGENCY WORKERS, THEY ARE THE WORKING GUYS AND WOMEN WHO COME WORKING GUYS AND WOMEN WHO COME TO SAVE YOU WHEN YOU’RE SCARED TO SAVE YOU WHEN YOU’RE SCARED TO DEATH YOU’RE GOING TO DIE. TO DEATH YOU’RE GOING TO DIE. THEY ARE THE ONES -- WHEN YOU THEY ARE THE ONES -- WHEN YOU ARE AUPPY AND MAKE A LOT OF ARE AUPPY AND MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE MONEY AND MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE YOU FORGET ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE YOU FORGET ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE AND YOU LOOK DOWN ON THEM. AND YOU LOOK DOWN ON THEM. WELL, YOU CAN’T BECAUSE IN THE WELL, YOU CAN’T BECAUSE IN THE END THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SAVE END THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SAVE YOU AND I THINK THAT WAS THE YOU AND I THINK THAT WAS THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT 9/11 AND WONDERFUL THING ABOUT 9/11 AND AFTERWARDS PEOPLE SAID, DO YOU AFTERWARDS PEOPLE SAID, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY ARE THE GOOD KNOW WHAT, THEY ARE THE GOOD GUYS. GUYS. I FELT THAT. I FELT THAT. >> JEFFREY GOLDBERG, I’M CURIOUS >> JEFFREY GOLDBERG, I’M CURIOUS YOUR THOUGHTS ON, AGAIN, DONALD YOUR THOUGHTS ON, AGAIN, DONALD TRUMP’S FALL FROM 44, 45% TO 35, TRUMP’S FALL FROM 44, 45% TO 35, 36%. 36%. I KNOW FOR A LOT OF US AND I I KNOW FOR A LOT OF US AND I WILL JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF IN WILL JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF IN THE MEDIA, IT ALL SEEMS BAD. THE MEDIA, IT ALL SEEMS BAD. THERE’S AN OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT THERE’S AN OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT EVERY DAY, THERE IS -- THERE IS EVERY DAY, THERE IS -- THERE IS A BREACHING OF A CONSTITUTIONAL A BREACHING OF A CONSTITUTIONAL NORM EVERY DAY. NORM EVERY DAY. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> SO IT’S TOUGHER FOR ME TO >> SO IT’S TOUGHER FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT WHY HE WOULD BE AT 44 FIGURE OUT WHY HE WOULD BE AT 44 OR 45% AFTER CHARLOTTESVILLE, OR 45% AFTER CHARLOTTESVILLE, AFTER RETWEETING NEO NAZI AFTER RETWEETING NEO NAZI TWEETS, BUT SOMETHING HAS TWEETS, BUT SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED WITH INDEPENDENTS HAPPENED WITH INDEPENDENTS ESPECIALLY. ESPECIALLY. ANY GUESS WHAT THAT MAY HAVE ANY GUESS WHAT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS? BEEN OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS? >> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I’VE THOUGHT >> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I’VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LOT. ABOUT THIS A LOT. REMEMBER WHEN YOUR KIDS ARE REMEMBER WHEN YOUR KIDS ARE LITTLE AND YOU TAKE THEM TO THE LITTLE AND YOU TAKE THEM TO THE CIRCUS AND THE CIRCUS IS FUN FOR CIRCUS AND THE CIRCUS IS FUN FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS, BUT IMAGINE TWO OR THREE HOURS, BUT IMAGINE HAVING TO SIT THROUGH THE CIRCUS HAVING TO SIT THROUGH THE CIRCUS FOR 36 OR 48 HOURS STRAIGHT, FOR 36 OR 48 HOURS STRAIGHT, RIGHT, BOMBARDED WITH THE NOISE RIGHT, BOMBARDED WITH THE NOISE AND NONSENSE OF A CIRCUS. AND NONSENSE OF A CIRCUS. I THINK PEOPLE ARE BECOMING I THINK PEOPLE ARE BECOMING INORD TO THE DRAMA, THEY’RE INORD TO THE DRAMA, THEY’RE BECOMING TIRED OF THE EXCESS BECOMING TIRED OF THE EXCESS DRAMA AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE DRAMA AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE SHOW -- THE SHOW IS MAYBE MOVING SHOW -- THE SHOW IS MAYBE MOVING PAST ITS SELL BY DATE. PAST ITS SELL BY DATE. I MEAN, THE CORE IS GOING TO I MEAN, THE CORE IS GOING TO STAY THE CORE, BUT THE CORE STAY THE CORE, BUT THE CORE SEEMS TO SHRINK A LITTLE BIT SEEMS TO SHRINK A LITTLE BIT AND, YOU KNOW, THE BEST THING AND, YOU KNOW, THE BEST THING THAT DONALD TRUMP OBVIOUSLY THAT DONALD TRUMP OBVIOUSLY COULD DO FOR REPUBLICANS RUNNING COULD DO FOR REPUBLICANS RUNNING RIGHT NOW IS STOP TWEETING VERY RIGHT NOW IS STOP TWEETING VERY STRANGE TWEETS ABOUT THE VARIOUS STRANGE TWEETS ABOUT THE VARIOUS INVESTIGATIONS AND ABOUT HILLARY INVESTIGATIONS AND ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON AND BE -- TO BORROW A CLINTON AND BE -- TO BORROW A TERM THAT HAS -- THAT HE’S TERM THAT HAS -- THAT HE’S EMPLOYED -- BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EMPLOYED -- BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRESIDENTIAL. PRESIDENTIAL. I THINK JUST A LITTLE BIT OF I THINK JUST A LITTLE BIT OF QUIET MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP. QUIET MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP. >> AND THAT’S OF COURSE WHAT >> AND THAT’S OF COURSE WHAT GARY COHEN WAS TRYING TO TELL GARY COHEN WAS TRYING TO TELL HIM TO DO. HIM TO DO. WILLIE, OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW WILLIE, OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW MOST OF MY POLITICAL THEORIES GO MOST OF MY POLITICAL THEORIES GO BACK TO JOHNNY CARSON. BACK TO JOHNNY CARSON. CARSON WHO OF COURSE SAID YOU CARSON WHO OF COURSE SAID YOU WIN IN CENTRAL TIME ZONE, BUT WIN IN CENTRAL TIME ZONE, BUT ALSO CARSON UNDERSTOOD HE WENT ALSO CARSON UNDERSTOOD HE WENT INTO PEOPLE’S BEDROOMS EVERY INTO PEOPLE’S BEDROOMS EVERY NIGHT AND IF HE WAS TOO SHRILL, NIGHT AND IF HE WAS TOO SHRILL, IF HE HAD AN EDGE AT SOME POINT IF HE HAD AN EDGE AT SOME POINT THEY WOULD JUST BECOME THEY WOULD JUST BECOME EXHAUSTED. EXHAUSTED. I’VE SEEN THAT WITH PRESIDENTS, I’VE SEEN THAT WITH PRESIDENTS, TOO. TOO. EVERY PRESIDENT HAS A SELL BY EVERY PRESIDENT HAS A SELL BY DATE, BUT WE’LL TELL YOU A LOT DATE, BUT WE’LL TELL YOU A LOT OF MY FRIENDS IN PENSACOLA THAT OF MY FRIENDS IN PENSACOLA THAT STILL WOULD VOTE FOR DONALD STILL WOULD VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP TOMORROW DO SAY THEY JUST TRUMP TOMORROW DO SAY THEY JUST DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIM DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIM ANYMORE. ANYMORE. THEY’RE JUST EXHAUSTED BY IT THEY’RE JUST EXHAUSTED BY IT ALL. ALL. I WONDER IF JEFFREY IS NOT RIGHT I WONDER IF JEFFREY IS NOT RIGHT THAT INDEPENDENTS PERHAPS WHO THAT INDEPENDENTS PERHAPS WHO DON’T FEEL AN UNDYING LOYALTY TO DON’T FEEL AN UNDYING LOYALTY TO DONALD TRUMP AND REPUBLICANISM DONALD TRUMP AND REPUBLICANISM MIGHT JUST SAY, ENOUGH. MIGHT JUST SAY, ENOUGH. NO MAS. NO MAS. I CAN’T TAKE THE MADNESS I CAN’T TAKE THE MADNESS ANYMORE. ANYMORE. >> THERE ARE PLENTY OF >> THERE ARE PLENTY OF REPUBLICANS YOU KNOW WE HAVE REPUBLICANS YOU KNOW WE HAVE TALKED TO A LOT OF THE SAME TALKED TO A LOT OF THE SAME PEOPLE OR PEOPLE YOU TALKED TO PEOPLE OR PEOPLE YOU TALKED TO ON THE STREET WHO VOTED FOR ON THE STREET WHO VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE WAS DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE WAS CHANGE, HE WAS GOING TO SHAKE IT CHANGE, HE WAS GOING TO SHAKE IT UP, BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T LIKE UP, BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T LIKE HILLARY CLINTON, BUT IF YOU LOOK HILLARY CLINTON, BUT IF YOU LOOK IN THOSE NUMBERS FROM THE CNN IN THOSE NUMBERS FROM THE CNN POLL THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY AMONG POLL THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY AMONG INDEPENDENTS HE HAS LOST 33% OF INDEPENDENTS HE HAS LOST 33% OF INDEPENDENTS IN A MONTH. INDEPENDENTS IN A MONTH. IS. IS. >> WOW. >> WOW. >> HE WAS AT 47 AND HE IS DOWN >> HE WAS AT 47 AND HE IS DOWN TO 31. TO 31. IF YOUR THEORY IS TRUE, IF IF YOUR THEORY IS TRUE, IF DEMOCRATS HAVE A WAVE AND THEY DEMOCRATS HAVE A WAVE AND THEY TAKE THE HOUSE AND MAYBE EVEN TAKE THE HOUSE AND MAYBE EVEN THE SENATE, IF THIS IS THE THE SENATE, IF THIS IS THE CULTURE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW CULTURE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW POLITICALLY WITH DONALD TRUMP POLITICALLY WITH DONALD TRUMP OWNING WASHINGTON, HE’S GOT THE OWNING WASHINGTON, HE’S GOT THE HOUSE, HE’S GOT THE SENATE, WHAT HOUSE, HE’S GOT THE SENATE, WHAT DOES WASHINGTON LOOK LIKE WHEN DOES WASHINGTON LOOK LIKE WHEN HE’S GOT AN ADVERSARIAL HOUSE OR HE’S GOT AN ADVERSARIAL HOUSE OR MAYBE AN ADVERSARIAL SENATE? MAYBE AN ADVERSARIAL SENATE? >> AS RICHARD NIXON DISCOVERED >> AS RICHARD NIXON DISCOVERED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHEN HE WON REELECTION WITH ALMOST HE WON REELECTION WITH ALMOST EVERY STATE, HE HAD LOST THE EVERY STATE, HE HAD LOST THE SUBPOENA POWER AGAIN. SUBPOENA POWER AGAIN. I THINK HE SAID IN THE MIDDLE OF I THINK HE SAID IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WE LOST IT AGAIN. THE NIGHT WE LOST IT AGAIN. HE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING. HE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING. THE SUBPOENA POWER NEEDS THAT THE SUBPOENA POWER NEEDS THAT JERRY NADLER CAN SPEND MONTHS OF JERRY NADLER CAN SPEND MONTHS OF ’19 GETTING READY FOR SOMETHING, ’19 GETTING READY FOR SOMETHING, WHETHER IT’S IMPEACHMENT OR NOT, WHETHER IT’S IMPEACHMENT OR NOT, BUT IT’S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BUT IT’S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE PLEASANT FOR THE PRESIDENT. BE PLEASANT FOR THE PRESIDENT. ALL THOSE COMMITTEE CHAIRS ON ALL THOSE COMMITTEE CHAIRS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HILL WILL HAVE BOTH SIDES OF THE HILL WILL HAVE SUBPOENA POWER AND THEY’RE GOING SUBPOENA POWER AND THEY’RE GOING TO USE IT. TO USE IT. YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE HEARINGS WITH BRETT KAVANAUGH HEARINGS WITH BRETT KAVANAUGH WITH CORY BOOKER AND KAMALA WITH CORY BOOKER AND KAMALA HARRIS’ PERFORMANCE. HARRIS’ PERFORMANCE. THEY ARE RARING TO GO, THEY THEY ARE RARING TO GO, THEY CAN’T WAIT TO GET THE SUBPOENA CAN’T WAIT TO GET THE SUBPOENA POWER AND I THINK THEY’RE GOING POWER AND I THINK THEY’RE GOING TO PLAY IT. TO PLAY IT. IT DOESN’T NECESSARILY END UP IT DOESN’T NECESSARILY END UP WELL. WELL. WE SAW BACK IN THE 80th CONGRESS WE SAW BACK IN THE 80th CONGRESS BACK AFTER -- AFTER REPUBLICANS BACK AFTER -- AFTER REPUBLICANS CAME INTO POWER BACK IN ’46 AND CAME INTO POWER BACK IN ’46 AND THEY BLEW IT BECAUSE ALL THEY THEY BLEW IT BECAUSE ALL THEY DID WAS HOLD HEARINGS, BUT I DID WAS HOLD HEARINGS, BUT I THINK THIS TIME IT’S DIFFERENT. THINK THIS TIME IT’S DIFFERENT. I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE SOME I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE SOME HEARINGS, THEY WANT SOME CONTROL HEARINGS, THEY WANT SOME CONTROL ON TRUMP AND ONE THING THAT’S ON TRUMP AND ONE THING THAT’S REALLY CHANGED, THE SUBURBS. REALLY CHANGED, THE SUBURBS. JOE, WHERE I GREW UP RIGHT ON JOE, WHERE I GREW UP RIGHT ON THE PHILADELPHIA EDGE, THOSE -- THE PHILADELPHIA EDGE, THOSE -- CHESTER, DELAWARE, MONTGOMERY, CHESTER, DELAWARE, MONTGOMERY, EVEN UP IN THE SWING PART OF THE EVEN UP IN THE SWING PART OF THE STATE, THEY’RE GOING TO VOTE STATE, THEY’RE GOING TO VOTE FOR -- ALLENTOWN, LEHIGH VALLEY, FOR -- ALLENTOWN, LEHIGH VALLEY, THEY’RE GOING TO VOTE DEMOCRAT THEY’RE GOING TO VOTE DEMOCRAT FOR THOSE WOMEN CANDIDATES, I FOR THOSE WOMEN CANDIDATES, I THINK ALL FOUR WIN. THINK ALL FOUR WIN. I THINK THE WHOLE STRUCTURE OF I THINK THE WHOLE STRUCTURE OF THE EAST COAST -- WHAT HAPPENS THE EAST COAST -- WHAT HAPPENS IS I THINK TWO MONTHS FROM NOW IS I THINK TWO MONTHS FROM NOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE THE WAY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE THE WAY WE ALL THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING WE ALL THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO VOTE IN ’16 FOR HILLARY, BUT TO VOTE IN ’16 FOR HILLARY, BUT THERE WILL BE NO HILLARY FACTOR, THERE WILL BE NO HILLARY FACTOR, IT WILL JUST BE YOU DON’T LIKE IT WILL JUST BE YOU DON’T LIKE TRUMP. TRUMP. I THINK THAT’S THE BIG I THINK THAT’S THE BIG CHALLENGE. CHALLENGE. OUR FAMILY WAS 3-2 OF BROTHERS, OUR FAMILY WAS 3-2 OF BROTHERS, 3-2 TRUMP, THIS TIME IT’S GOING 3-2 TRUMP, THIS TIME IT’S GOING TO BE 2-3 AGAINST TRUMP. TO BE 2-3 AGAINST TRUMP. SO I THINK ONE OF MY BROTHERS SO I THINK ONE OF MY BROTHERS JUST SWITCHED. JUST SWITCHED. AND HE LIVES IN BUCKS COUNTY. AND HE LIVES IN BUCKS COUNTY. I TELL YOU I THINK THE SUBURBS I TELL YOU I THINK THE SUBURBS ARE GOING TO VOTE THE WAY THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE THE WAY THEY DID -- THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DID -- THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO VOTE LAST TIME WHICH WAS VOTE LAST TIME WHICH WAS ANTI-TRUMP, BUT THERE WILL BE NO ANTI-TRUMP, BUT THERE WILL BE NO HILLARY FACTOR TO DISTURB THAT
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