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  • BILL KARINS. >> DEFINITELY.

  • >> DEFINITELY. >> THANK YOU.

  • >> THANK YOU. >>> ALL RIGHT.

  • >>> ALL RIGHT. HEY, CHRIS MATTHEWS, I WANT TO

  • HEY, CHRIS MATTHEWS, I WANT TO JUST ASK YOU A GENERAL QUESTION

  • JUST ASK YOU A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT WHERE WE ARE PLIT KREEOLIT

  • ABOUT WHERE WE ARE PLIT KREEOLIT RIGHT NOW.

  • RIGHT NOW. FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THEIR

  • FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THEIR DEFINING ELECTION WAS THE

  • DEFINING ELECTION WAS THE ELECTION OF JFK IN 1960.

  • ELECTION OF JFK IN 1960. FOR ME, FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT

  • FOR ME, FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS, IT WAS REAGAN IN 1980.

  • REASONS, IT WAS REAGAN IN 1980. I ALWAYS REMEMBER ON THE FRIDAY

  • I ALWAYS REMEMBER ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE IT WAS A TOSS-UP, IT WAS

  • BEFORE IT WAS A TOSS-UP, IT WAS GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE.

  • GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE. WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT

  • WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN

  • EXACTLY WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN THIS FALL.

  • THIS FALL. YOU HAVE A SERIES OF POLLS OUT

  • YOU HAVE A SERIES OF POLLS OUT SHOWING DONALD TRUMP IN THE MID

  • SHOWING DONALD TRUMP IN THE MID 30s, MITCH McCONNELL IS NOW

  • 30s, MITCH McCONNELL IS NOW TALKING ABOUT A KNIFE FIGHT IN

  • TALKING ABOUT A KNIFE FIGHT IN THE SENATE.

  • THE SENATE. YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHICH WAY

  • YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHICH WAY THESE THINGS ARE GOING, BUT I

  • THESE THINGS ARE GOING, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHEN YOU WERE

  • WAS JUST CURIOUS WHEN YOU WERE WITH TIP O’NEAL IN 1980 DID YOU

  • WITH TIP O’NEAL IN 1980 DID YOU SEE IT COMING?

  • SEE IT COMING? DOES IT FEEL LIKE A SIMILAR WAVE

  • DOES IT FEEL LIKE A SIMILAR WAVE THIS YEAR OR IS IT JUST TOO

  • THIS YEAR OR IS IT JUST TOO EARLY TO TELL?

  • EARLY TO TELL? >> WELL, I REALLY WAS WITH HIM

  • >> WELL, I REALLY WAS WITH HIM FROM ’81 ON SO ’81 HAD ALREADY

  • FROM ’81 ON SO ’81 HAD ALREADY HAPPENED, BUT ’82 WAS THE ONE I

  • HAPPENED, BUT ’82 WAS THE ONE I WORKED ON AND WE PICKED UP 26

  • WORKED ON AND WE PICKED UP 26 SEATS AND THAT FELT LIKE A

  • SEATS AND THAT FELT LIKE A PRETTY GOOD WAVE BECAUSE THE

  • PRETTY GOOD WAVE BECAUSE THE SOCIAL SECURITY AND THE

  • SOCIAL SECURITY AND THE RECESSION COMING ON AND I THINK

  • RECESSION COMING ON AND I THINK THE SPEAKER DID A HELL OF A JOB

  • THE SPEAKER DID A HELL OF A JOB OF RAISING THOSE ISSUES.

  • OF RAISING THOSE ISSUES. I THINK THIS IS STRONGER.

  • I THINK THIS IS STRONGER. I THINK IT’S STRONGER THAN 26, I

  • I THINK IT’S STRONGER THAN 26, I THINK IT’S A REAL WAVE,

  • THINK IT’S A REAL WAVE, SOMETHING LIKE 94, 74.

  • SOMETHING LIKE 94, 74. I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE

  • I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE PICKED UP 30 TO 40 SEATS IN THE

  • PICKED UP 30 TO 40 SEATS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE CAN WOBBLY

  • HOUSE AND THE SENATE CAN WOBBLY RIGHT NOW, IT’S IN OUR COUNTRY

  • RIGHT NOW, IT’S IN OUR COUNTRY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IT LOOKS

  • ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IT LOOKS LIKE THESE RACES ARE COMING DOWN

  • LIKE THESE RACES ARE COMING DOWN TO -- I THINK DONNELLY WILL WIN

  • TO -- I THINK DONNELLY WILL WIN IN INDIANA, I THINK MANCHIN IS

  • IN INDIANA, I THINK MANCHIN IS GOING TO WIN NOW, I THINK

  • GOING TO WIN NOW, I THINK THERE’S SOME SAFETY FOR SOME OF

  • THERE’S SOME SAFETY FOR SOME OF THESE GUYS, BUT INGMAR INOF

  • THESE GUYS, BUT INGMAR INOF ERROR IS LIKE -- REMEMBER JUST

  • ERROR IS LIKE -- REMEMBER JUST AS RECENTLY AS ’16 WE LOOKED AT

  • AS RECENTLY AS ’16 WE LOOKED AT ALL THOSE RACES IN PENNSYLVANIA

  • ALL THOSE RACES IN PENNSYLVANIA AND EVERYBODY SAID, OH, EDDIE

  • AND EVERYBODY SAID, OH, EDDIE RENT DELL SAID WE WILL WIN BY

  • RENT DELL SAID WE WILL WIN BY THREE.

  • THREE. THAT’S MARGIN OF ERROR.

  • THAT’S MARGIN OF ERROR. WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT TWO

  • WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT TWO OR THREE POINTS YOU DON’T KNOW

  • OR THREE POINTS YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT.

  • WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT. IT’S TOO HARD TO PICK.

  • IT’S TOO HARD TO PICK. THIS ELECTION WILL BE HARD TO

  • THIS ELECTION WILL BE HARD TO PICK BUT I DO THINK THERE IS A

  • PICK BUT I DO THINK THERE IS A WAVE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, I

  • WAVE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, I THINK THIS LAST WEEK OR TWO HAVE

  • THINK THIS LAST WEEK OR TWO HAVE BEEN TERRIBLE FOR HIM, I LOOKED

  • BEEN TERRIBLE FOR HIM, I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS DROPPING DOWN TO

  • AT THE NUMBERS DROPPING DOWN TO THE LOW 30s FOR HIM IN APPROVAL.

  • THE LOW 30s FOR HIM IN APPROVAL. THESE ELECTIONS AS YOU KNOW,

  • THESE ELECTIONS AS YOU KNOW, JOE, CHANGE HISTORY FOR 30

  • JOE, CHANGE HISTORY FOR 30 YEARS.

  • YEARS. PEOPLE WILL GET ELECTED THIS

  • PEOPLE WILL GET ELECTED THIS NOVEMBER THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER

  • NOVEMBER THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAD A SHOT, PEOPLE LIKE -- TOM

  • HAD A SHOT, PEOPLE LIKE -- TOM FOLEY OUT IN EASTERN WASHINGTON

  • FOLEY OUT IN EASTERN WASHINGTON STATE WAS ELECTED ON A FLUKE, HE

  • STATE WAS ELECTED ON A FLUKE, HE FILED THE LAST DAY, HE GOT INTO

  • FILED THE LAST DAY, HE GOT INTO THE CONGRESS, HE SERVED FOR 30

  • THE CONGRESS, HE SERVED FOR 30 YEARS, HE BECAME SPEAKER OF THE

  • YEARS, HE BECAME SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE UNTIL THE NEXT WAVE CAME

  • HOUSE UNTIL THE NEXT WAVE CAME ALONG IN ’94.

  • ALONG IN ’94. IT HAPPENS.

  • IT HAPPENS. JIM HOWARD A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER

  • JIM HOWARD A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER IN NEW JERSEY GOT ELECTED FOR

  • IN NEW JERSEY GOT ELECTED FOR HIS WHOLE LIFE BECAUSE OF ONE OF

  • HIS WHOLE LIFE BECAUSE OF ONE OF THESE WAVES.

  • THESE WAVES. SO I THINK YOURE GOING -- AND

  • SO I THINK YOURE GOING -- AND IF BETO WINS DOWN THERE HE WILL

  • IF BETO WINS DOWN THERE HE WILL BE A MAJOR NATIONAL FIGURE

  • BE A MAJOR NATIONAL FIGURE PRETTY QUICKLY.

  • PRETTY QUICKLY. >> OH, MY GOSH.

  • >> OH, MY GOSH. >> A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE YOU

  • >> A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE YOU WILL SEE WHOLE CAREERS MADE OR

  • WILL SEE WHOLE CAREERS MADE OR LOST AND WOMEN RUNNING, MINORITY

  • LOST AND WOMEN RUNNING, MINORITY WOMEN, WOMEN OF COLOR, I THINK

  • WOMEN, WOMEN OF COLOR, I THINK THE FACT THERE ARE SO MANY

  • THE FACT THERE ARE SO MANY RUNNING THERE ARE GOING TO BE SO

  • RUNNING THERE ARE GOING TO BE SO MANY THAT WIN AND THEY WILL BE

  • MANY THAT WIN AND THEY WILL BE THERE THEIR WHOLE LIVES.

  • THERE THEIR WHOLE LIVES. I THINK THIS ELECTION IS NOT

  • I THINK THIS ELECTION IS NOT JUST A ONE-OFF.

  • JUST A ONE-OFF. I THINK THIS ELECTION WILL BE

  • I THINK THIS ELECTION WILL BE VERY BIG FOR THE DEMOCRATS.

  • VERY BIG FOR THE DEMOCRATS. THEY MIGHT JUST WIN THE SENATE.

  • THEY MIGHT JUST WIN THE SENATE. IT’S REALLY GOING TO BE POWERFUL

  • IT’S REALLY GOING TO BE POWERFUL STUFF.

  • STUFF. >> BY THE WAY, IF YOU SEE BETO

  • >> BY THE WAY, IF YOU SEE BETO WIN IN ’18 YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE

  • WIN IN ’18 YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE HIM ON A TICKET IN ’20 AS WELL.

  • HIM ON A TICKET IN ’20 AS WELL. >> I AGREE.

  • >> I AGREE. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS

  • >> I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION I’VE BEEN ASKING PEOPLE

  • QUESTION I’VE BEEN ASKING PEOPLE THE PAST FEW DAYS, DONALD TRUMP

  • THE PAST FEW DAYS, DONALD TRUMP WAS SITTING AT 44, 45% EARLY

  • WAS SITTING AT 44, 45% EARLY SPRING AND NOW HE’S DROPPED BACK

  • SPRING AND NOW HE’S DROPPED BACK DOWN INTO THE 30s.

  • DOWN INTO THE 30s. I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF

  • I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS, MAYBE CHILD SEPARATION,

  • REASONS, MAYBE CHILD SEPARATION, MAYBE HELSINKI, I’M JUST

  • MAYBE HELSINKI, I’M JUST CURIOUS, WHY DO YOU THINK THE

  • CURIOUS, WHY DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT WAS MOVING INTO

  • PRESIDENT WAS MOVING INTO TERRITORY WHERE HE HAD SOME OF

  • TERRITORY WHERE HE HAD SOME OF HIS HIGHER APPROVAL RATINGS

  • HIS HIGHER APPROVAL RATINGS SINCE BECOMING A POLITICIAN JUST

  • SINCE BECOMING A POLITICIAN JUST SIX MONTHS AGO AND NOW HE’S BACK

  • SIX MONTHS AGO AND NOW HE’S BACK TO THE 30s?

  • TO THE 30s? >> THE ECONOMICS, HE’S BATTLING

  • >> THE ECONOMICS, HE’S BATTLING HIS OWN GOOD ECONOMIC NUMBERS.

  • HIS OWN GOOD ECONOMIC NUMBERS. HE HAS GREAT NUMBERS.

  • HE HAS GREAT NUMBERS. WHO WOULDN’T BE BRAGGING ABOUT

  • WHO WOULDN’T BE BRAGGING ABOUT THESE UNEMPLOYMENT RATES DOWN

  • THESE UNEMPLOYMENT RATES DOWN WELL BELOW 4 AND YOU HAVE A

  • WELL BELOW 4 AND YOU HAVE A MARKET THAT’S BOOMING BACK UP

  • MARKET THAT’S BOOMING BACK UP THERE TO 2600 -- 26,000.

  • THERE TO 2600 -- 26,000. YOU HAVE GREAT ECONOMIC NUMBERS.

  • YOU HAVE GREAT ECONOMIC NUMBERS. IT’S HIM.

  • IT’S HIM. ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME

  • ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME WERE HONORING -- REMEMBERING --

  • WERE HONORING -- REMEMBERING -- MARKING, I GUESS, 9/11.

  • MARKING, I GUESS, 9/11. THE GREAT THING ABOUT 9/11 AND

  • THE GREAT THING ABOUT 9/11 AND THERE WAS ONE GREAT THING ABOUT

  • THERE WAS ONE GREAT THING ABOUT ALL THAT HORROR, IN THE WEEKS

  • ALL THAT HORROR, IN THE WEEKS THEREAFTER YOU SAW A UNITY IN

  • THEREAFTER YOU SAW A UNITY IN THIS COUNTRY WE HAD NEVER FELT

  • THIS COUNTRY WE HAD NEVER FELT SINCE MAYBE WORLD WAR II.

  • SINCE MAYBE WORLD WAR II. >> CORRECT.

  • >> CORRECT. >> A TREMENDOUS -- THE YUPPIES

  • >> A TREMENDOUS -- THE YUPPIES AT THEIR SIDEWALK CAFES WERE

  • AT THEIR SIDEWALK CAFES WERE CHEERING THE FIREFIGHTERS GOING

  • CHEERING THE FIREFIGHTERS GOING BY ON THEIR ENGINES.

  • BY ON THEIR ENGINES. THE CLASS DIFFERENCES WERE

  • THE CLASS DIFFERENCES WERE RESOLVED FOR A WHILE.

  • RESOLVED FOR A WHILE. THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS LOOKING

  • THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS LOOKING OUT FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS IN

  • OUT FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS IN A WAY THAT WAS WONDERFUL.

  • A WAY THAT WAS WONDERFUL. PEOPLE WERE LOOKING -- PEOPLE --

  • PEOPLE WERE LOOKING -- PEOPLE -- YOU KNOW, KIDS WHEN THEY GROW UP

  • YOU KNOW, KIDS WHEN THEY GROW UP THEY WANT TO BE NURSES AND THEY

  • THEY WANT TO BE NURSES AND THEY WANT TO BE FIREFIGHTERS.

  • WANT TO BE FIREFIGHTERS. THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT TO BE WHEN

  • THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT TO BE WHEN YOURE FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS OLD.

  • YOURE FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS OLD. YOU NATURALLY HAVE SORT OF A

  • YOU NATURALLY HAVE SORT OF A HEROIC INSTINCT.

  • HEROIC INSTINCT. YOU WANT TO BE A HERO TO PEOPLE,

  • YOU WANT TO BE A HERO TO PEOPLE, YOU WANT TO BE THE GOOD GUY OR

  • YOU WANT TO BE THE GOOD GUY OR GOOD WOMAN.

  • GOOD WOMAN. I THINK 9/11 BROUGHT THAT

  • I THINK 9/11 BROUGHT THAT INSTINCT OF KIDS OUT IN US.

  • INSTINCT OF KIDS OUT IN US. I SPOKE AT THE FRIENDLY SONS

  • I SPOKE AT THE FRIENDLY SONS THAT SPRING AND ALL I HAD TO DO

  • THAT SPRING AND ALL I HAD TO DO WAS TALK ABOUT THE IRISH

  • WAS TALK ABOUT THE IRISH TRADITION OF FIREFIGHTING IN NEW

  • TRADITION OF FIREFIGHTING IN NEW YORK CITY AND I JUST STARTED

  • YORK CITY AND I JUST STARTED LISTING NAMES, YOU KNOW, MOST OF

  • LISTING NAMES, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE GUYS THAT GOT KILLED GOING

  • THE GUYS THAT GOT KILLED GOING UP THOSE STAIRS WERE IRISH

  • UP THOSE STAIRS WERE IRISH BECAUSE OF THOSE LONG GENERATION

  • BECAUSE OF THOSE LONG GENERATION AFTER GENERATION TRADITIONS IN

  • AFTER GENERATION TRADITIONS IN NEW YORK CITY OF ALWAYS BEING A

  • NEW YORK CITY OF ALWAYS BEING A FIREFIGHTER.

  • FIREFIGHTER. OF COURSE, WE HAD HISPANIC GUYS

  • OF COURSE, WE HAD HISPANIC GUYS AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE,

  • AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE, TOO, BUT THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS

  • TOO, BUT THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS FEEL ABOUT THE WORKING CLASS AND

  • FEEL ABOUT THE WORKING CLASS AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE IN A BIG

  • HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE IN A BIG CITY LIKE NEW YORK.

  • CITY LIKE NEW YORK. THE WORKING CLASS ARE THE ONES

  • THE WORKING CLASS ARE THE ONES THAT SAVE YOU WHEN YOU ARE IN

  • THAT SAVE YOU WHEN YOU ARE IN TROUBLE.

  • TROUBLE. THEY ARE THE COPS THAT COME, THE

  • THEY ARE THE COPS THAT COME, THE EMERGENCY WORKERS, THEY ARE THE

  • EMERGENCY WORKERS, THEY ARE THE WORKING GUYS AND WOMEN WHO COME

  • WORKING GUYS AND WOMEN WHO COME TO SAVE YOU WHEN YOURE SCARED

  • TO SAVE YOU WHEN YOURE SCARED TO DEATH YOURE GOING TO DIE.

  • TO DEATH YOURE GOING TO DIE. THEY ARE THE ONES -- WHEN YOU

  • THEY ARE THE ONES -- WHEN YOU ARE AUPPY AND MAKE A LOT OF

  • ARE AUPPY AND MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE

  • MONEY AND MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE YOU FORGET ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE

  • YOU FORGET ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE AND YOU LOOK DOWN ON THEM.

  • AND YOU LOOK DOWN ON THEM. WELL, YOU CAN’T BECAUSE IN THE

  • WELL, YOU CAN’T BECAUSE IN THE END THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SAVE

  • END THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SAVE YOU AND I THINK THAT WAS THE

  • YOU AND I THINK THAT WAS THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT 9/11 AND

  • WONDERFUL THING ABOUT 9/11 AND AFTERWARDS PEOPLE SAID, DO YOU

  • AFTERWARDS PEOPLE SAID, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY ARE THE GOOD

  • KNOW WHAT, THEY ARE THE GOOD GUYS.

  • GUYS. I FELT THAT.

  • I FELT THAT. >> JEFFREY GOLDBERG, I’M CURIOUS

  • >> JEFFREY GOLDBERG, I’M CURIOUS YOUR THOUGHTS ON, AGAIN, DONALD

  • YOUR THOUGHTS ON, AGAIN, DONALD TRUMP’S FALL FROM 44, 45% TO 35,

  • TRUMP’S FALL FROM 44, 45% TO 35, 36%.

  • 36%. I KNOW FOR A LOT OF US AND I

  • I KNOW FOR A LOT OF US AND I WILL JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF IN

  • WILL JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF IN THE MEDIA, IT ALL SEEMS BAD.

  • THE MEDIA, IT ALL SEEMS BAD. THERE’S AN OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT

  • THERE’S AN OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT EVERY DAY, THERE IS -- THERE IS

  • EVERY DAY, THERE IS -- THERE IS A BREACHING OF A CONSTITUTIONAL

  • A BREACHING OF A CONSTITUTIONAL NORM EVERY DAY.

  • NORM EVERY DAY. >> RIGHT.

  • >> RIGHT. >> SO IT’S TOUGHER FOR ME TO

  • >> SO IT’S TOUGHER FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT WHY HE WOULD BE AT 44

  • FIGURE OUT WHY HE WOULD BE AT 44 OR 45% AFTER CHARLOTTESVILLE,

  • OR 45% AFTER CHARLOTTESVILLE, AFTER RETWEETING NEO NAZI

  • AFTER RETWEETING NEO NAZI TWEETS, BUT SOMETHING HAS

  • TWEETS, BUT SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED WITH INDEPENDENTS

  • HAPPENED WITH INDEPENDENTS ESPECIALLY.

  • ESPECIALLY. ANY GUESS WHAT THAT MAY HAVE

  • ANY GUESS WHAT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS?

  • BEEN OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS? >> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I’VE THOUGHT

  • >> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I’VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LOT.

  • ABOUT THIS A LOT. REMEMBER WHEN YOUR KIDS ARE

  • REMEMBER WHEN YOUR KIDS ARE LITTLE AND YOU TAKE THEM TO THE

  • LITTLE AND YOU TAKE THEM TO THE CIRCUS AND THE CIRCUS IS FUN FOR

  • CIRCUS AND THE CIRCUS IS FUN FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS, BUT IMAGINE

  • TWO OR THREE HOURS, BUT IMAGINE HAVING TO SIT THROUGH THE CIRCUS

  • HAVING TO SIT THROUGH THE CIRCUS FOR 36 OR 48 HOURS STRAIGHT,

  • FOR 36 OR 48 HOURS STRAIGHT, RIGHT, BOMBARDED WITH THE NOISE

  • RIGHT, BOMBARDED WITH THE NOISE AND NONSENSE OF A CIRCUS.

  • AND NONSENSE OF A CIRCUS. I THINK PEOPLE ARE BECOMING

  • I THINK PEOPLE ARE BECOMING INORD TO THE DRAMA, THEYRE

  • INORD TO THE DRAMA, THEYRE BECOMING TIRED OF THE EXCESS

  • BECOMING TIRED OF THE EXCESS DRAMA AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE

  • DRAMA AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE SHOW -- THE SHOW IS MAYBE MOVING

  • SHOW -- THE SHOW IS MAYBE MOVING PAST ITS SELL BY DATE.

  • PAST ITS SELL BY DATE. I MEAN, THE CORE IS GOING TO

  • I MEAN, THE CORE IS GOING TO STAY THE CORE, BUT THE CORE

  • STAY THE CORE, BUT THE CORE SEEMS TO SHRINK A LITTLE BIT

  • SEEMS TO SHRINK A LITTLE BIT AND, YOU KNOW, THE BEST THING

  • AND, YOU KNOW, THE BEST THING THAT DONALD TRUMP OBVIOUSLY

  • THAT DONALD TRUMP OBVIOUSLY COULD DO FOR REPUBLICANS RUNNING

  • COULD DO FOR REPUBLICANS RUNNING RIGHT NOW IS STOP TWEETING VERY

  • RIGHT NOW IS STOP TWEETING VERY STRANGE TWEETS ABOUT THE VARIOUS

  • STRANGE TWEETS ABOUT THE VARIOUS INVESTIGATIONS AND ABOUT HILLARY

  • INVESTIGATIONS AND ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON AND BE -- TO BORROW A

  • CLINTON AND BE -- TO BORROW A TERM THAT HAS -- THAT HE’S

  • TERM THAT HAS -- THAT HE’S EMPLOYED -- BE A LITTLE BIT MORE

  • EMPLOYED -- BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRESIDENTIAL.

  • PRESIDENTIAL. I THINK JUST A LITTLE BIT OF

  • I THINK JUST A LITTLE BIT OF QUIET MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP.

  • QUIET MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP. >> AND THAT’S OF COURSE WHAT

  • >> AND THAT’S OF COURSE WHAT GARY COHEN WAS TRYING TO TELL

  • GARY COHEN WAS TRYING TO TELL HIM TO DO.

  • HIM TO DO. WILLIE, OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW

  • WILLIE, OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW MOST OF MY POLITICAL THEORIES GO

  • MOST OF MY POLITICAL THEORIES GO BACK TO JOHNNY CARSON.

  • BACK TO JOHNNY CARSON. CARSON WHO OF COURSE SAID YOU

  • CARSON WHO OF COURSE SAID YOU WIN IN CENTRAL TIME ZONE, BUT

  • WIN IN CENTRAL TIME ZONE, BUT ALSO CARSON UNDERSTOOD HE WENT

  • ALSO CARSON UNDERSTOOD HE WENT INTO PEOPLE’S BEDROOMS EVERY

  • INTO PEOPLE’S BEDROOMS EVERY NIGHT AND IF HE WAS TOO SHRILL,

  • NIGHT AND IF HE WAS TOO SHRILL, IF HE HAD AN EDGE AT SOME POINT

  • IF HE HAD AN EDGE AT SOME POINT THEY WOULD JUST BECOME

  • THEY WOULD JUST BECOME EXHAUSTED.

  • EXHAUSTED. I’VE SEEN THAT WITH PRESIDENTS,

  • I’VE SEEN THAT WITH PRESIDENTS, TOO.

  • TOO. EVERY PRESIDENT HAS A SELL BY

  • EVERY PRESIDENT HAS A SELL BY DATE, BUT WELL TELL YOU A LOT

  • DATE, BUT WELL TELL YOU A LOT OF MY FRIENDS IN PENSACOLA THAT

  • OF MY FRIENDS IN PENSACOLA THAT STILL WOULD VOTE FOR DONALD

  • STILL WOULD VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP TOMORROW DO SAY THEY JUST

  • TRUMP TOMORROW DO SAY THEY JUST DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIM

  • DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIM ANYMORE.

  • ANYMORE. THEYRE JUST EXHAUSTED BY IT

  • THEYRE JUST EXHAUSTED BY IT ALL.

  • ALL. I WONDER IF JEFFREY IS NOT RIGHT

  • I WONDER IF JEFFREY IS NOT RIGHT THAT INDEPENDENTS PERHAPS WHO

  • THAT INDEPENDENTS PERHAPS WHO DON’T FEEL AN UNDYING LOYALTY TO

  • DON’T FEEL AN UNDYING LOYALTY TO DONALD TRUMP AND REPUBLICANISM

  • DONALD TRUMP AND REPUBLICANISM MIGHT JUST SAY, ENOUGH.

  • MIGHT JUST SAY, ENOUGH. NO MAS.

  • NO MAS. I CAN’T TAKE THE MADNESS

  • I CAN’T TAKE THE MADNESS ANYMORE.

  • ANYMORE. >> THERE ARE PLENTY OF

  • >> THERE ARE PLENTY OF REPUBLICANS YOU KNOW WE HAVE

  • REPUBLICANS YOU KNOW WE HAVE TALKED TO A LOT OF THE SAME

  • TALKED TO A LOT OF THE SAME PEOPLE OR PEOPLE YOU TALKED TO

  • PEOPLE OR PEOPLE YOU TALKED TO ON THE STREET WHO VOTED FOR

  • ON THE STREET WHO VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE WAS

  • DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE WAS CHANGE, HE WAS GOING TO SHAKE IT

  • CHANGE, HE WAS GOING TO SHAKE IT UP, BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T LIKE

  • UP, BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T LIKE HILLARY CLINTON, BUT IF YOU LOOK

  • HILLARY CLINTON, BUT IF YOU LOOK IN THOSE NUMBERS FROM THE CNN

  • IN THOSE NUMBERS FROM THE CNN POLL THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY AMONG

  • POLL THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY AMONG INDEPENDENTS HE HAS LOST 33% OF

  • INDEPENDENTS HE HAS LOST 33% OF INDEPENDENTS IN A MONTH.

  • INDEPENDENTS IN A MONTH. IS.

  • IS. >> WOW.

  • >> WOW. >> HE WAS AT 47 AND HE IS DOWN

  • >> HE WAS AT 47 AND HE IS DOWN TO 31.

  • TO 31. IF YOUR THEORY IS TRUE, IF

  • IF YOUR THEORY IS TRUE, IF DEMOCRATS HAVE A WAVE AND THEY

  • DEMOCRATS HAVE A WAVE AND THEY TAKE THE HOUSE AND MAYBE EVEN

  • TAKE THE HOUSE AND MAYBE EVEN THE SENATE, IF THIS IS THE

  • THE SENATE, IF THIS IS THE CULTURE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW

  • CULTURE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW POLITICALLY WITH DONALD TRUMP

  • POLITICALLY WITH DONALD TRUMP OWNING WASHINGTON, HE’S GOT THE

  • OWNING WASHINGTON, HE’S GOT THE HOUSE, HE’S GOT THE SENATE, WHAT

  • HOUSE, HE’S GOT THE SENATE, WHAT DOES WASHINGTON LOOK LIKE WHEN

  • DOES WASHINGTON LOOK LIKE WHEN HE’S GOT AN ADVERSARIAL HOUSE OR

  • HE’S GOT AN ADVERSARIAL HOUSE OR MAYBE AN ADVERSARIAL SENATE?

  • MAYBE AN ADVERSARIAL SENATE? >> AS RICHARD NIXON DISCOVERED

  • >> AS RICHARD NIXON DISCOVERED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHEN

  • IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHEN HE WON REELECTION WITH ALMOST

  • HE WON REELECTION WITH ALMOST EVERY STATE, HE HAD LOST THE

  • EVERY STATE, HE HAD LOST THE SUBPOENA POWER AGAIN.

  • SUBPOENA POWER AGAIN. I THINK HE SAID IN THE MIDDLE OF

  • I THINK HE SAID IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WE LOST IT AGAIN.

  • THE NIGHT WE LOST IT AGAIN. HE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING.

  • HE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING. THE SUBPOENA POWER NEEDS THAT

  • THE SUBPOENA POWER NEEDS THAT JERRY NADLER CAN SPEND MONTHS OF

  • JERRY NADLER CAN SPEND MONTHS OF ’19 GETTING READY FOR SOMETHING,

  • ’19 GETTING READY FOR SOMETHING, WHETHER IT’S IMPEACHMENT OR NOT,

  • WHETHER IT’S IMPEACHMENT OR NOT, BUT IT’S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO

  • BUT IT’S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE PLEASANT FOR THE PRESIDENT.

  • BE PLEASANT FOR THE PRESIDENT. ALL THOSE COMMITTEE CHAIRS ON

  • ALL THOSE COMMITTEE CHAIRS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HILL WILL HAVE

  • BOTH SIDES OF THE HILL WILL HAVE SUBPOENA POWER AND THEYRE GOING

  • SUBPOENA POWER AND THEYRE GOING TO USE IT.

  • TO USE IT. YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE

  • YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE HEARINGS WITH BRETT KAVANAUGH

  • HEARINGS WITH BRETT KAVANAUGH WITH CORY BOOKER AND KAMALA

  • WITH CORY BOOKER AND KAMALA HARRISPERFORMANCE.

  • HARRISPERFORMANCE. THEY ARE RARING TO GO, THEY

  • THEY ARE RARING TO GO, THEY CAN’T WAIT TO GET THE SUBPOENA

  • CAN’T WAIT TO GET THE SUBPOENA POWER AND I THINK THEYRE GOING

  • POWER AND I THINK THEYRE GOING TO PLAY IT.

  • TO PLAY IT. IT DOESN’T NECESSARILY END UP

  • IT DOESN’T NECESSARILY END UP WELL.

  • WELL. WE SAW BACK IN THE 80th CONGRESS

  • WE SAW BACK IN THE 80th CONGRESS BACK AFTER -- AFTER REPUBLICANS

  • BACK AFTER -- AFTER REPUBLICANS CAME INTO POWER BACK IN ’46 AND

  • CAME INTO POWER BACK IN ’46 AND THEY BLEW IT BECAUSE ALL THEY

  • THEY BLEW IT BECAUSE ALL THEY DID WAS HOLD HEARINGS, BUT I

  • DID WAS HOLD HEARINGS, BUT I THINK THIS TIME IT’S DIFFERENT.

  • THINK THIS TIME IT’S DIFFERENT. I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE SOME

  • I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE SOME HEARINGS, THEY WANT SOME CONTROL

  • HEARINGS, THEY WANT SOME CONTROL ON TRUMP AND ONE THING THAT’S

  • ON TRUMP AND ONE THING THAT’S REALLY CHANGED, THE SUBURBS.

  • REALLY CHANGED, THE SUBURBS. JOE, WHERE I GREW UP RIGHT ON

  • JOE, WHERE I GREW UP RIGHT ON THE PHILADELPHIA EDGE, THOSE --

  • THE PHILADELPHIA EDGE, THOSE -- CHESTER, DELAWARE, MONTGOMERY,

  • CHESTER, DELAWARE, MONTGOMERY, EVEN UP IN THE SWING PART OF THE

  • EVEN UP IN THE SWING PART OF THE STATE, THEYRE GOING TO VOTE

  • STATE, THEYRE GOING TO VOTE FOR -- ALLENTOWN, LEHIGH VALLEY,

  • FOR -- ALLENTOWN, LEHIGH VALLEY, THEYRE GOING TO VOTE DEMOCRAT

  • THEYRE GOING TO VOTE DEMOCRAT FOR THOSE WOMEN CANDIDATES, I

  • FOR THOSE WOMEN CANDIDATES, I THINK ALL FOUR WIN.

  • THINK ALL FOUR WIN. I THINK THE WHOLE STRUCTURE OF

  • I THINK THE WHOLE STRUCTURE OF THE EAST COAST -- WHAT HAPPENS

  • THE EAST COAST -- WHAT HAPPENS IS I THINK TWO MONTHS FROM NOW

  • IS I THINK TWO MONTHS FROM NOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE THE WAY

  • PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE THE WAY WE ALL THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING

  • WE ALL THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO VOTE IN ’16 FOR HILLARY, BUT

  • TO VOTE IN ’16 FOR HILLARY, BUT THERE WILL BE NO HILLARY FACTOR,

  • THERE WILL BE NO HILLARY FACTOR, IT WILL JUST BE YOU DON’T LIKE

  • IT WILL JUST BE YOU DON’T LIKE TRUMP.

  • TRUMP. I THINK THAT’S THE BIG

  • I THINK THAT’S THE BIG CHALLENGE.

  • CHALLENGE. OUR FAMILY WAS 3-2 OF BROTHERS,

  • OUR FAMILY WAS 3-2 OF BROTHERS, 3-2 TRUMP, THIS TIME IT’S GOING

  • 3-2 TRUMP, THIS TIME IT’S GOING TO BE 2-3 AGAINST TRUMP.

  • TO BE 2-3 AGAINST TRUMP. SO I THINK ONE OF MY BROTHERS

  • SO I THINK ONE OF MY BROTHERS JUST SWITCHED.

  • JUST SWITCHED. AND HE LIVES IN BUCKS COUNTY.

  • AND HE LIVES IN BUCKS COUNTY. I TELL YOU I THINK THE SUBURBS

  • I TELL YOU I THINK THE SUBURBS ARE GOING TO VOTE THE WAY THEY

  • ARE GOING TO VOTE THE WAY THEY DID -- THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO

  • DID -- THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO VOTE LAST TIME WHICH WAS

  • VOTE LAST TIME WHICH WAS ANTI-TRUMP, BUT THERE WILL BE NO

  • ANTI-TRUMP, BUT THERE WILL BE NO HILLARY FACTOR TO DISTURB THAT

BILL KARINS. >> DEFINITELY.

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