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  • In July 2019, Elizabeth Warren was part of a debate with former Congressman John Delaney.

  • Delaney was also running for president, and he criticized Warren for being unrealistic.

  • I think Democrats win when we run on real solutions, not impossible promises, when we

  • run on things that are workable, not fairy tale economics.

  • If you want to understand Elizabeth Warren, her response to that is a great place to start.

  • I don’t understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running

  • for president of the United States just to talk about what we really can’t do and shouldn’t

  • fight for.

  • I don’t get it.

  • Elizabeth Warren wants to make really big changes to the way things work.

  • It’s going to take big structural change in America.

  • It's a thread you can find throughout her career, from her years as a law professor,

  • to her creation of a new federal agency, to her time as a US Senator.

  • Warren doesn't want to revert America back to a time before Trump.

  • She wants to change something more fundamental about the country's institutions.

  • We can’t fix this broken system by only treating symptoms

  • So, where did that idea come from?

  • Is that what we want?

  • And -- if it is -- is Elizabeth Warren the best person for the job?

  • In the early 2000s, Elizabeth Warren wasn't a politician yet.

  • She was a law professor, and she was trying to figure out why so many Americans were filing

  • for bankruptcy, at a time when the economy seemed to be doing great.

  • The thing you have to understand about Warren's academic work is that it was counter to the

  • conventional wisdom when it was happening.

  • Most people agreed at the time that the US economy was strong.

  • The unemployment rate was low, GDP was high, and global trade agreements like NAFTA had

  • made tons of goods super cheap

  • But Warren saw that underneath it all, something in American life had changed.

  • Families live in a much more dangerous economic world than they did a generation ago.

  • One thing Warren was doing was refocusing how we thought about the economy from what

  • was happening in the economy to what was happening to families themselves.

  • In particular, she noticed that to cover basic expenses, American families were

  • taking on more and more dangerous loans.

  • Alan Greenspan was sworn in for his fifth term as chairman of the Fed.

  • This makes the time ripe for a conversation with Elizabeth Warren.

  • Alan Greenspan, our national economic leader, has stood up for the last four years and told

  • Americansborrow against your house!”

  • It helped her realize before almost anyone else that something bad might be coming

  • in the economy.

  • That's really scary financial advice for someone to be giving American families.

  • And what frightens me, is millions of American families have taken that advice.

  • Warren said those things in 2004.

  • Four years later, she turned out to be right.

  • One in every 500 homes defaulting on their mortgage, economists worry the housing slump

  • will plunge the broader economy into a recession.

  • The federal government Tuesday began pumping billions of dollars into U.S. banks.

  • Citigroup and Wells Fargo are each getting $25 billion.

  • Is there a word for your emotions, mood, watching all of this?

  • Yeah, I think I alternate between furious and astounded.

  • We bailed them out and they keep all the profits and taxpayers pick up all the losses.

  • There's this moment in 2009.

  • The recession is on full blast.

  • This is when I probably first saw Elizabeth Warren on television.

  • Please welcome to the show, Elizabeth Warren!

  • She goes on Jon Stewart's show and just sort of explains what's going on.

  • We go fifty years without a financial panic.

  • Then what happens, we sayregulation, ah it’s pain, it’s expensive, we don’t need it,”

  • so we start pulling the threads out of the regulatory fabric.

  • So we have two choices.

  • Were going to decide basicallyhey, we don’t need regulation, it’s fine" Or, alternatively,

  • Or, alternatively, we're going to say "You know

  • were going to put in some smart regulation, and what were going to have going forward

  • is were going to have some stability and real prosperity for ordinary folks."

  • And that’s socialism

  • (laugher/applause)

  • That incredibly clear explanation of what’s going on kind of knocks him for a loop.

  • That is the first time in probably six months to a year, that I’ve felt better.

  • He breaks character in that moment to say thank you.

  • That was like financial chicken soup for me.

  • Thank you.

  • Something that I think is important to note, though, is what makes sense about it.

  • Something that has been a through line of Warren's career is that complexity is something

  • the powerful wield against the powerless.

  • And complexity is something that people use to shift blame.

  • Well, if the financial crisis is too complex for anybody to understand.

  • You can't fix it and you definitely can't blame anybody for it.

  • What is distinct about Warren in my view, is that she does understand these problems

  • so well.

  • Elizabeth Warren has a lot of plans.

  • My question is, what is her plan to make the plans a reality?

  • What's interesting about her in this respect, is compared to a lot of the other candidates,

  • she's much more specific on how she would get these things done.

  • I mean, we've had this Democratic primary that is about differences in plans... that

  • the candidates are not likely to have the votes in the Senate to come anywhere near

  • passing.

  • And here's Warren arguing in a way the others primarily don't, that we should get rid of

  • the filibuster.

  • That means lowering the number of votes a bill needs to pass the Senate from 60 to 51.

  • We should get rid of the Electoral College.

  • So whoever gets the most votes actually becomes President.

  • We should make D.C. and Puerto Rico states.

  • So that millions of US citizens who can’t vote for the President or members of Congress

  • would finally be able to.

  • It is often ignored, because process isn’t sexy, but process ends up deciding outcomes.

  • She's been much more focused on it, and much more ambitious than most of her competitors.

  • And it's something that actually sets her apart in the field.

  • On a debate stage, or in a long grueling campaign against Donald Trump, what do you think voters

  • would learn about Elizabeth Warren who don’t know her very well now.

  • I think one of the advantages Warren has, if youre going to make the case for her,

  • she has built a much more thoroughgoing theory of political corruption and how it attaches

  • itself, not just Donald Trump, but to the entire system he came into.

  • Huge fossil fuel corporations have bought off our government.

  • The gun industry has bought off our government.

  • If you look at the way some of the other matchups look, Joe Biden is clearly going to run against

  • Donald Trump as, Donald Trump is a bad man who does not reflect the best of American

  • values.

  • There is some possibility that could work.

  • But also, it didn't work that well in 2016.

  • I think Warren wants to push against Donald Trump as an emblem of political corruption.

  • So let’s start with the obvious, Donald Trump is corruption in the flesh.

  • That is a place where polling suggests he's a lot more vulnerable.

  • And so Warren's particular approach to Trump, where she is able to saythat this kind

  • of political corruption is the problem.

  • That is a very potent attack in American politics.

  • In some ways it's a potent attack Donald Trump levied reasonably well against Hillary Clinton.

  • And it's one Warren is arguably, I think, uniquely capable of levying back against Donald Trump

In July 2019, Elizabeth Warren was part of a debate with former Congressman John Delaney.

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