HELICOPTER COMPANY. >> YEP.

>> YEP. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE’LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.

WE’LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. AHEAD OF TONIGHT’S DEBATE IN

AHEAD OF TONIGHT’S DEBATE IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THOUGH, AND FOUR

SOUTH CAROLINA, THOUGH, AND FOUR DAYS BEFORE THE PRIMARY THE

DAYS BEFORE THE PRIMARY THE LATEST NBC NEWS MARIST POLL

LATEST NBC NEWS MARIST POLL SHOWS JOE BIDEN WITH A NIR OHARR

SHOWS JOE BIDEN WITH A NIR OHARR LEAD OVER BERNIE SANDERS IN THAT

LEAD OVER BERNIE SANDERS IN THAT STATE.

STATE. BIDEN 23%, SANDERS, 26%.

BIDEN 23%, SANDERS, 26%. SIX-POINT MARGIN OF ERROR

SIX-POINT MARGIN OF ERROR FOLLOWED BY TOM STEYER WHO’SES

FOLLOWED BY TOM STEYER WHO’SES $20 MILLION IN AD SPENDING

$20 MILLION IN AD SPENDING POWERED HIM TO 15% IN THE STATE.

POWERED HIM TO 15% IN THE STATE. PETE BUTTIGIEG NOW AT 9%.

PETE BUTTIGIEG NOW AT 9%. ELIZABETH WARREN AT 8%, AMY

ELIZABETH WARREN AT 8%, AMY KLOBUCHAR, 5%.

KLOBUCHAR, 5%. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO WE’LL GO THROUGH INSIDE OF

SO WE’LL GO THROUGH INSIDE OF THE POLL, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT,

THE POLL, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, STEVE KORNACKI LOOKING AT THOSE

STEVE KORNACKI LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS.

NUMBERS. FOR ME THE BIG QUESTION MARK IS

FOR ME THE BIG QUESTION MARK IS TOM STEYER.

TOM STEYER. HE HAD BIG POLL NUMBERS IN

HE HAD BIG POLL NUMBERS IN NEVADA, BUT NEVER TRANSLATED TO

NEVADA, BUT NEVER TRANSLATED TO VOTES.

VOTES. NOT SURE IF IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN

NOT SURE IF IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.

THERE. THIS, OF COURSE, CAME ON THE

THIS, OF COURSE, CAME ON THE HEELS OF A PPP POLL A COUPLE

HEELS OF A PPP POLL A COUPLE HOURS EARLIER SHOWING JOE BIDEN

HOURS EARLIER SHOWING JOE BIDEN WITH ABOUT A 15-POINT LEAD.

WITH ABOUT A 15-POINT LEAD. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT WHEN YOU

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE POLLS?

LOOK AT THESE POLLS? >> YEAH.

>> YEAH. LOOK, THIS IS SUPPOSEDLY THE

LOOK, THIS IS SUPPOSEDLY THE BIDEN FIREWALL STATE.

BIDEN FIREWALL STATE. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD THAT OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS?

THAT OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS? SEVE MARGINS THE LAST SIX MONTHS

SEVE MARGINS THE LAST SIX MONTHS BIGGER THAN FOUR POINTS BUT IT’S

BIGGER THAN FOUR POINTS BUT IT’S GOOD NEWS FOR HIM COMING OFF THE

GOOD NEWS FOR HIM COMING OFF THE PERFORMANCE HE’S HAD IN THE

PERFORMANCE HE’S HAD IN THE FIRST FOUR STATES TO BE LEADING

FIRST FOUR STATES TO BE LEADING IN A POLL LIKE THIS.

IN A POLL LIKE THIS. THE BLACK VOTE, MORE THAN HALF

THE BLACK VOTE, MORE THAN HALF THE ELECTORATE WILL BE

THE ELECTORATE WILL BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN ON SATURDAY.

AFRICAN-AMERICAN ON SATURDAY. HE WHO A 15-POINT ADVANTAGE

HE WHO A 15-POINT ADVANTAGE THERE OVER BERNIE SANDERS, BUT

THERE OVER BERNIE SANDERS, BUT REALLY WHAT JUMPS OUT AT ME IS

REALLY WHAT JUMPS OUT AT ME IS HALF OF THIS POLL WAS TAKEN

HALF OF THIS POLL WAS TAKEN BEFORE THAT DEBATE LAST WEEK.

BEFORE THAT DEBATE LAST WEEK. AND HALF OF THIS POLL WAS TAKEN

AND HALF OF THIS POLL WAS TAKEN AFTER THAT DEBATE LAST WEEK.

AFTER THAT DEBATE LAST WEEK. AND IN THE PRE-DEBATE HALF OF

AND IN THE PRE-DEBATE HALF OF THE POLL, BIDEN’S LEAD OVER

THE POLL, BIDEN’S LEAD OVER SANDERS WAS TEN POINTS.

SANDERS WAS TEN POINTS. IN THE POST-DEBATE HALF, DEAD

IN THE POST-DEBATE HALF, DEAD EVEN.

EVEN. TELLING YOU THE DEBATES REALLY

TELLING YOU THE DEBATES REALLY CAN MOVE NUMBERS.

CAN MOVE NUMBERS. NOT ONE OF THESE BIG EARLY

NOT ONE OF THESE BIG EARLY VOTING STATES LIKE IN NEVADA

VOTING STATES LIKE IN NEVADA WHERE ALL VOTES WERE CAST BEFORE

WHERE ALL VOTES WERE CAST BEFORE THE DEBATE.

THE DEBATE. THIS DEBATE TONIGHT CAN MATTER A

THIS DEBATE TONIGHT CAN MATTER A LOT.

LOT. >> WOW.

>> WOW. >> YEAH.

>> YEAH. SO LET’S MOVE ON AND LOOK AT --

SO LET’S MOVE ON AND LOOK AT -- GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD. >> AMONG VOTERS IN, BLACK VOTERS

>> AMONG VOTERS IN, BLACK VOTERS IN SOUTH CAROLINA, BIDEN HAS

IN SOUTH CAROLINA, BIDEN HAS 35%.

35%. SANDERS, 20%.

SANDERS, 20%. STEYER, 19% AND WARREN 7%.

STEYER, 19% AND WARREN 7%. NO ONE ELSE GOT ABOVE 4%.

NO ONE ELSE GOT ABOVE 4%. >> WILLIE, THIS REALLY IS,

>> WILLIE, THIS REALLY IS, AGAIN -- THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE

AGAIN -- THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE MAYOR PETE, WHO DID SO WELL IN

MAYOR PETE, WHO DID SO WELL IN THE FIRST FEW STATES NOW, OF

THE FIRST FEW STATES NOW, OF COURSE, STRUGGLING.

COURSE, STRUGGLING. HE’S GOING TO BE STRUGGLING OVER

HE’S GOING TO BE STRUGGLING OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS TO SHOW

THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS TO SHOW THAT HE CAN BE VIABLE

THAT HE CAN BE VIABLE NATIONALLY, BECAUSE HE JUST

NATIONALLY, BECAUSE HE JUST STILL IS NOT ABLE TO GET VOTES

STILL IS NOT ABLE TO GET VOTES AMONG MANY BLACK SOUTH

AMONG MANY BLACK SOUTH CAROLINIANS AND BLACK DEMOCRATS.

CAROLINIANS AND BLACK DEMOCRATS. SAME WITH ELIZABETH WARREN.

SAME WITH ELIZABETH WARREN. DOWN AT I -- WHAT IS SHE?

DOWN AT I -- WHAT IS SHE? 7%.

7%. >> YEP.

>> YEP. >> SO RIGHT NOW IT IS BERNIE AND

>> SO RIGHT NOW IT IS BERNIE AND BIDEN AND STEYER WHO ARE DOING

BIDEN AND STEYER WHO ARE DOING PRETTY WELL WITH THE BLACK VOTE.

PRETTY WELL WITH THE BLACK VOTE. >> THE ARGUMENT FOR PETE

>> THE ARGUMENT FOR PETE BUTTIGIEG WAY BACK WHEN WAS, IF

BUTTIGIEG WAY BACK WHEN WAS, IF HE WINS DOES WELL IN IOWA, IN

HE WINS DOES WELL IN IOWA, IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, THE PRAGMATIC

NEW HAMPSHIRE, THE PRAGMATIC VOTERS IN SOUTH CAROLINA WILL

VOTERS IN SOUTH CAROLINA WILL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT HIM AND

TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT HIM AND HE’LL DO BETTER.

HE’LL DO BETTER. WELL, HE DID WIN IN IOWA IN

WELL, HE DID WIN IN IOWA IN TERMS OF PLEDGED DELEGATES AND

TERMS OF PLEDGED DELEGATES AND STILL FLATLINING AMONG

STILL FLATLINING AMONG AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS.

AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS. OBVIOUSLY, A HUGE PROBLEM FOR

OBVIOUSLY, A HUGE PROBLEM FOR HIMMANTS

HIMMANTS HIM.

HIM. >> AND THE PROGRESSIVE GROUP,

>> AND THE PROGRESSIVE GROUP, ALL CLUMPED TOGETHER NOT SO LONG

ALL CLUMPED TOGETHER NOT SO LONG AGO WITH WARREN AND BUTTIGIEG,

AGO WITH WARREN AND BUTTIGIEG, AND SANDERS, BUT SANDERS

AND SANDERS, BUT SANDERS ACTUALLY HAS SEEN HIS SUPPORT

ACTUALLY HAS SEEN HIS SUPPORT AMONG BLACK VOTERS SLOWLY RISE

AMONG BLACK VOTERS SLOWLY RISE UP.

UP. >> THAT’S -- YEAH.

>> THAT’S -- YEAH. >> AND THE MAKING ALL THE

>> AND THE MAKING ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD RIGHT

DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

NOW. >> THAT’S THE INTEREST THING.

>> THAT’S THE INTEREST THING. WILLIE MENTIONS PETE BUTTIGIEG.

WILLIE MENTIONS PETE BUTTIGIEG. NEVADA HAS A SIGNIFICANT BLACK

NEVADA HAS A SIGNIFICANT BLACK POPULATION.

POPULATION. ONE IN TEN VOTES IN THE CAUCUSES

ONE IN TEN VOTES IN THE CAUCUSES WERE AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

WERE AFRICAN-AMERICANS. BUTTIGIEG GOT 2%.

BUTTIGIEG GOT 2%. MONTHS OF TALK ABOUT IOWA AND

MONTHS OF TALK ABOUT IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE ROLLING IT INTO

NEW HAMPSHIRE ROLLING IT INTO BROADER SUPPORT, GOT 2% IN THE

BROADER SUPPORT, GOT 2% IN THE FIRST TEST OF IT.

FIRST TEST OF IT. SANDERS IS INTERESTING.

SANDERS IS INTERESTING. THINK BACK FOUR YEARS AGO AT

THINK BACK FOUR YEARS AGO AT THIS TIME.

THIS TIME. WON NEW HAMPSHIRE NARROWLY LOST

WON NEW HAMPSHIRE NARROWLY LOST IOWA AND THE QUESTION FOR

IOWA AND THE QUESTION FOR SANDERS FOUR YEARS AGO WAS,

SANDERS FOUR YEARS AGO WAS, COULD HE ATTRACT SIGNIFICANT

COULD HE ATTRACT SIGNIFICANT AFRICAN-AMERICAN SUPPORT AGAINST

AFRICAN-AMERICAN SUPPORT AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON?

HILLARY CLINTON? MAKE IT A GAME IN SOUTH

MAKE IT A GAME IN SOUTH CAROLINA?

CAROLINA? MAKE IS A GAME WITH BLACK VOTERS

MAKE IS A GAME WITH BLACK VOTERS THROUGHOUT THE SOUTH IN

THROUGHOUT THE SOUTH IN PARTICULAR?

PARTICULAR? SOUTH CAROLINA WAS THE TEST OF

SOUTH CAROLINA WAS THE TEST OF THAT FOUR YEARS AGO, AND AMONG

THAT FOUR YEARS AGO, AND AMONG BLACK VOTERS, IT WAS HILLARY

BLACK VOTERS, IT WAS HILLARY CLINTON 86% TO 14%.

CLINTON 86% TO 14%. LOST THE BLACK VOTE BY 72 POINTS

LOST THE BLACK VOTE BY 72 POINTS FOUR YEARS AGO AND IS DOWN IN

FOUR YEARS AGO AND IS DOWN IN THIS ONE BY 15, BUT AN

THIS ONE BY 15, BUT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO

OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO POTENTIALLY WITH A GOOD DEBATE,

POTENTIALLY WITH A GOOD DEBATE, THIS POLL, TAKEN BEFORE THAT

THIS POLL, TAKEN BEFORE THAT RESULT FROM NEVADA.

RESULT FROM NEVADA. IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF

IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF BANDWAGON EFFECT COMES FROM HIM