>> SENATOR BARBARA BOXER, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >>> JOINING ME NOW FOR MORE ON

>>> JOINING ME NOW FOR MORE ON THE MOMENTUM SING, MADDIE SA

THE MOMENTUM SING, MADDIE SA HASSAN, HOST OF THE

HASSAN, HOST OF THE DECONSTRUCTED PODCAST.

DECONSTRUCTED PODCAST. I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FEARS

I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FEARS ABOUT JOE BIDEN’S ELECTABILITY

ABOUT JOE BIDEN’S ELECTABILITY BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BERNIE

BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS.

SANDERS. IT’S STRUCK ME THAT THE SANDERS

IT’S STRUCK ME THAT THE SANDERS THEORY IS AN INTERESTING

THEORY IS AN INTERESTING SELF-TESTING HYPOTHESIS IN THIS

SELF-TESTING HYPOTHESIS IN THIS WAY.

WAY. THE IDEA IS, LOOK, WE KNOW WE’RE

THE IDEA IS, LOOK, WE KNOW WE’RE RUNNING AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC

RUNNING AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT.

ESTABLISHMENT. WE KNOW THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT

WE KNOW THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO BRING NEW PEOPLE IN TO

IS TO BRING NEW PEOPLE IN TO MAKE THE MATH WORK, AND THUS FAR

MAKE THE MATH WORK, AND THUS FAR THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER ON THAT PROMISE OF NEW

DELIVER ON THAT PROMISE OF NEW TURNOUT, PARTICULARLY AMONG

TURNOUT, PARTICULARLY AMONG YOUNGER VOTERS.

YOUNGER VOTERS. IT’S GONE UP A LITTLE BUT THE

IT’S GONE UP A LITTLE BUT THE PLACES WHERE WE SAW THE BIGGEST

PLACES WHERE WE SAW THE BIGGEST TURNOUT BOOSTS, LIKE VIRGINIA IS

TURNOUT BOOSTS, LIKE VIRGINIA IS THAT IS WHERE SANDERS GOT

THAT IS WHERE SANDERS GOT CRUSHED.

CRUSHED. >> THE SANDERS PEOPLE I SPOKE TO

>> THE SANDERS PEOPLE I SPOKE TO TODAY ARE DISAPPOINTED AND THEY

TODAY ARE DISAPPOINTED AND THEY DON’T GET IT BECAUSE THERE IS A

DON’T GET IT BECAUSE THERE IS A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE HUGE

DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE HUGE RALLIES AND THE DISCONNECT

RALLIES AND THE DISCONNECT ONLINE AND ELSEWHERE IN TERMS OF

ONLINE AND ELSEWHERE IN TERMS OF SMALLER DONORS AND YET YOUTH

SMALLER DONORS AND YET YOUTH TURNOUT WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO

TURNOUT WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO POWER HIM TO THE NOMINATION,

POWER HIM TO THE NOMINATION, YOUTH TURNOUT WAS LOWER THAN IN

YOUTH TURNOUT WAS LOWER THAN IN 2016.

2016. SO THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR THE

SO THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN GOING FORWARD

SANDERS CAMPAIGN GOING FORWARD AND THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIX

AND THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIX THAT IN MICHIGAN BECAUSE THAT IS

THAT IN MICHIGAN BECAUSE THAT IS CRUCIAL TO HIS STRATEGY.

CRUCIAL TO HIS STRATEGY. >> THERE’S A NEW CAMPAIGN THEY

>> THERE’S A NEW CAMPAIGN THEY PUT OUT SHOWING BERNIE SANDERS

PUT OUT SHOWING BERNIE SANDERS WITH BARACK OBAMA, BARACK OBAMA

WITH BARACK OBAMA, BARACK OBAMA PRAISING HIM, WHICH IS AN ENTIRE

PRAISING HIM, WHICH IS AN ENTIRE CAMPAIGN GENRE.

CAMPAIGN GENRE. IT MADE THIS POINT, THE WORK

IT MADE THIS POINT, THE WORK REQUIRES CONVINCING LEGISLATORS

REQUIRES CONVINCING LEGISLATORS IN YOUR PARTY TO SUPPORT YOUR

IN YOUR PARTY TO SUPPORT YOUR AGENDA.

AGENDA. IF SANDERS AND HIS TEAM DON’T

IF SANDERS AND HIS TEAM DON’T FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT, THEY

FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT, THEY COULD VERY WELL LOSE TO BIDEN

COULD VERY WELL LOSE TO BIDEN AND EVEN IF THEY WIN, THEY’LL BE

AND EVEN IF THEY WIN, THEY’LL BE UNABLE TO GOVERN, MEANING HOW TO

UNABLE TO GOVERN, MEANING HOW TO BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE

BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE COALITION.

COALITION. DO YOU THINK THAT’S THE MAIN

DO YOU THINK THAT’S THE MAIN CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW?

CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW? >> IT’S NOT THE MAIN CHALLENGE

>> IT’S NOT THE MAIN CHALLENGE BUT IT’S DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE.

BUT IT’S DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE. WHEN JIM CLYBURN SAYS THAT

WHEN JIM CLYBURN SAYS THAT BERNIE SANDERS DIDN’T REACH OUT

BERNIE SANDERS DIDN’T REACH OUT TO HIM, THAT’S A PROBLEM.

TO HIM, THAT’S A PROBLEM. LET’S BE HONEST, NOTHING BERNIE

LET’S BE HONEST, NOTHING BERNIE SANDERS COULD HAVE SAID WOULD

SANDERS COULD HAVE SAID WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AMY KLOBUCHAR TO

HAVE GOTTEN AMY KLOBUCHAR TO ENDORSE HIM.

ENDORSE HIM. AS CHARMING OR FRIENDLY AS HE

AS CHARMING OR FRIENDLY AS HE CAN BE, HE HAS A POLICY PLATFORM

CAN BE, HE HAS A POLICY PLATFORM THAT A LOT OF 2K78 DEMOCRATS ARE

THAT A LOT OF 2K78 DEMOCRATS ARE NOT GOING TO REACH OUT FOR.

NOT GOING TO REACH OUT FOR. HE DOES NEED ELIZABETH WARREN

HE DOES NEED ELIZABETH WARREN GOING INTO MICHIGAN AND THE

GOING INTO MICHIGAN AND THE OTHER STATES.

OTHER STATES. I WOULD BRIEFLY RESPOND TO

I WOULD BRIEFLY RESPOND TO BARBARA BOXER ABOUT JOE BIDEN.

BARBARA BOXER ABOUT JOE BIDEN. THIS IS NOT ABOUT BERNIE

THIS IS NOT ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS.

SANDERS. BIDEN IS NOW THE FRONT-RUNNER.

BIDEN IS NOW THE FRONT-RUNNER. YOU CAN THINK BERNIE SANDERS IS

YOU CAN THINK BERNIE SANDERS IS A CRAZY COMMUNIST WHO CAN’T WIN

A CRAZY COMMUNIST WHO CAN’T WIN M

M IN NORTH AMERICA BUT IF YOUBIDEN

IN NORTH AMERICA BUT IF YOUBIDEN NOT BEEN VETTED.

NOT BEEN VETTED. HE’S NOT BEEN ASKED ABOUT THE

HE’S NOT BEEN ASKED ABOUT THE BANKRUPTCY BILL, NEVER PROBED

BANKRUPTCY BILL, NEVER PROBED ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR AND HIS

ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR AND HIS TURNAROUND ON THE IRAQ WAR AND I

TURNAROUND ON THE IRAQ WAR AND I DON’T THINK WHY DEMOCRATS THINK

DON’T THINK WHY DEMOCRATS THINK YOU CAN RERUN THE 2016 PLAYBOOK

YOU CAN RERUN THE 2016 PLAYBOOK AND NOT THINK THAT DONALD TRUMP

AND NOT THINK THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL RERUN HIS.

WILL RERUN HIS. THEY TRIED TO RUN A PRO-IRAQ

THEY TRIED TO RUN A PRO-IRAQ WAR, PRO-WALL STREET

WAR, PRO-WALL STREET ESTABLISHMENT

ESTABLISHMENT ESTABLISHMENT.

ESTABLISHMENT. WHERE DID THAT END UP?

WHERE DID THAT END UP? WHAT’S THE OLD SAYING, INSANITY

WHAT’S THE OLD SAYING, INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN

IS DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN AND AGAIN AND EXPECTING

AND AGAIN AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS.

DIFFERENT RESULTS. >> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO

>> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT ASIDE WHICH IS BOTH AN

SAY THAT ASIDE WHICH IS BOTH AN ELECTABILITY AND IDEALOGICAL

ELECTABILITY AND IDEALOGICAL CRITIQUE MARRIED TOGETHER I

CRITIQUE MARRIED TOGETHER I THINK IT’S FAIR TO SAY, WHAT DO

THINK IT’S FAIR TO SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE LIKE

YOU THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE LIKE A KYRSTEN SINEMA.

A KYRSTEN SINEMA. SHE WON THAT STATE SORT OF

SHE WON THAT STATE SORT OF AGAINST THE ODDS.

AGAINST THE ODDS. SHE’S COMING OUT FOR JOE BIDEN

SHE’S COMING OUT FOR JOE BIDEN TODAY.

TODAY. YOU SEE MARK KELLY WHO’S TRYING

YOU SEE MARK KELLY WHO’S TRYING TO WIN IN ARIZONA.

TO WIN IN ARIZONA. YOU SEE FRONT LINE DEMOCRATS IN

YOU SEE FRONT LINE DEMOCRATS IN SWING DISTRICTS.

SWING DISTRICTS. DO YOU THINK THOSE FOLKS IN

DO YOU THINK THOSE FOLKS IN THOSE TOUGH SWING AREAS, ARE

THOSE TOUGH SWING AREAS, ARE THEY MISUNDERSTANDING THEIR OWN

THEY MISUNDERSTANDING THEIR OWN POLITICAL INTERESTS AND GETTING

POLITICAL INTERESTS AND GETTING IT WRONG WHEN THEY SAY I PREFER

IT WRONG WHEN THEY SAY I PREFER BIDEN AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET

BIDEN AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET THAN SANDERS?

THAN SANDERS? >> THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION AND

>> THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION AND YOU HAVE TO COME TO SO MANY

YOU HAVE TO COME TO SO MANY THINGS IN PLAY.

THINGS IN PLAY. IF YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT

IF YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS IN SWING

CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS IN SWING STATES WHERE THE DOUG JONES AND

STATES WHERE THE DOUG JONES AND SINEMA AND OTHERS, OF COURSE

SINEMA AND OTHERS, OF COURSE THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC

THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC EVALUATIONS

EVALUATIONS EVALUATIONS

EVALUATIONS EVALUATIONS THEY HAVE TO DO BUT

EVALUATIONS THEY HAVE TO DO BUT AS BARBARA BOXER SAID NOBODY IS

AS BARBARA BOXER SAID NOBODY IS PERFECT.

PERFECT. MY WORRY IS THAT BIDEN IS THE

MY WORRY IS THAT BIDEN IS THE GUY WHO’S GOING TO BEAT TRUMP

GUY WHO’S GOING TO BEAT TRUMP BECAUSE HE’S GOT SOME KIND OF

BECAUSE HE’S GOT SOME KIND OF MODERATE APPEAL WHEN THAT DIDN’T

MODERATE APPEAL WHEN THAT DIDN’T WORK IN 2016.

WORK IN 2016. HE’S GOT SO MUCH BAGGAGE AND

HE’S GOT SO MUCH BAGGAGE AND THIS IDEA THAT HE’S JUST GOT A

THIS IDEA THAT HE’S JUST GOT A STAMMER, HE SPENT MUCH OF

STAMMER, HE SPENT MUCH OF FEBRUARY FALSELY CLAIMING THAT

FEBRUARY FALSELY CLAIMING THAT HE GOT ARRESTED IN SOUTH AFRICA

HE GOT ARRESTED IN SOUTH AFRICA TRYING TO SEE NELSON MANDELA.

TRYING TO SEE NELSON MANDELA. YOU’RE GOING TO SEE ATTACK ADS

YOU’RE GOING TO SEE ATTACK ADS LIKE WE’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND

LIKE WE’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND HE MAY STILL WIN BUT I’D LIKE

HE MAY STILL WIN BUT I’D LIKE THE DEMOCRATS TO HOLD HIM TO

THE DEMOCRATS TO HOLD HIM TO SOME OF THAT STUFF NOW.

SOME OF THAT STUFF NOW. THERE’S ONE MORE DEBATE IN A

THERE’S ONE MORE DEBATE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR BERNIE.

COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR BERNIE. HE NEEDS THAT DEBATE NOW BECAUSE

HE NEEDS THAT DEBATE NOW BECAUSE I THINK BIDEN WOULD SUFFER

I THINK BIDEN WOULD SUFFER HUGELY IN A ONE-ON-ONE DEBATE

HUGELY IN A ONE-ON-ONE DEBATE WHERE HE CAN’T HIDE BEHIND OTHER

WHERE HE CAN’T HIDE BEHIND OTHER CANDIDATES.

CANDIDATES. I DON’T THINK HE CAN SURVIVE A

I DON’T THINK HE CAN SURVIVE A TWO-HOUR DEBATE WITH BERNIE

TWO-HOUR DEBATE WITH BERNIE ONE-ON-ONE.

ONE-ON-ONE. >> I AGREE THAT A ONE-ON-ONE

>> I AGREE THAT A ONE-ON-ONE DEBATE WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL