DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, BUT I DON’T HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THE

DON’T HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THE SINCERITY OF THE GOALS.

SINCERITY OF THE GOALS. >> IN TERMS OF SENATOR

>> IN TERMS OF SENATOR SANDERS --

SANDERS -- >> UH-HUH.

>> UH-HUH. >> -- HE SAID THIS WEEK THAT

>> -- HE SAID THIS WEEK THAT HE’S SPOKEN YOU IN THE LAST FEW

HE’S SPOKEN YOU IN THE LAST FEW DAYS.

DAYS. >> HE HAS.

>> HE HAS. >> SO THAT ONE’S ACCURATE.

>> SO THAT ONE’S ACCURATE. >> UH-HUH.

>> UH-HUH. THAT’S RIGHT.

THAT’S RIGHT. >> THAT’S GOOD.

>> THAT’S GOOD. WHAT’S YOUR RELATIONSHIP LIKE

WHAT’S YOUR RELATIONSHIP LIKE WITH SENATOR SANDERS?

WITH SENATOR SANDERS? YOU OBVIOUSLY SHARE A LOT OF

YOU OBVIOUSLY SHARE A LOT OF IMPORTANT POLICY GOALS, BUT SOME

IMPORTANT POLICY GOALS, BUT SOME DIFFERENCES AND YOU’VE BEEN

DIFFERENCES AND YOU’VE BEEN COMPETITORS OVER THESE LAST FEW

COMPETITORS OVER THESE LAST FEW MONTHS.

MONTHS. >> YEAH.

>> YEAH. >> WHAT’S YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH

>> WHAT’S YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM?

HIM? >> SO, BERNIE AND I HAVE BEEN

>> SO, BERNIE AND I HAVE BEEN FRIENDS FOR LONG, LONG TIME

FRIENDS FOR LONG, LONG TIME DATING BACK WAY BEFORE I EVER

DATING BACK WAY BEFORE I EVER GOT INVOLVED IN POLITICS, AND

GOT INVOLVED IN POLITICS, AND THROUGH THE HOUSING CRASH, IN

THROUGH THE HOUSING CRASH, IN PARTICULAR, KIND OF HERE WERE

PARTICULAR, KIND OF HERE WERE CENTRAL ISSUES WE WERE WORKING

CENTRAL ISSUES WE WERE WORKING ON.

ON. I CAME UP -- IN FACT, THE FIRST

I CAME UP -- IN FACT, THE FIRST TOWN HALLS I’VE EVER DONE WERE

TOWN HALLS I’VE EVER DONE WERE IN VERMONT, WERE FOR BERNIE

IN VERMONT, WERE FOR BERNIE SANDERS.

SANDERS. >> WOW.

>> WOW. >> AND BRUCE DROVE ME UP ON A

>> AND BRUCE DROVE ME UP ON A SATURDAY AND WE DID A COUPLE OF

SATURDAY AND WE DID A COUPLE OF TOWN HALLS, AND, BUT IT’S A SET

TOWN HALLS, AND, BUT IT’S A SET OF ISSUES WE’VE WORKED ON, BOTH

OF ISSUES WE’VE WORKED ON, BOTH OF US, FOR A VERY, VERY LONG

OF US, FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.

TIME. >> THAT’S --

>> THAT’S -- >> I RESPECT THAT.

>> I RESPECT THAT. >> THAT IS USUALLY GROUNDS FOR

>> THAT IS USUALLY GROUNDS FOR MUTUAL TRUST OR AT LEAST MUTUAL

MUTUAL TRUST OR AT LEAST MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU’VE HAD A

UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU’VE HAD A RELATIONSHIP LIKE THAT.

RELATIONSHIP LIKE THAT. >> I SURE HOPE SO.

>> I SURE HOPE SO. YEAH.

YEAH. UH-HUH.

UH-HUH. >> ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED

>> ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT

TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH SENATOR

RELATIONSHIP WITH SENATOR SANDERS IS SOMETHING I TALKED TO

SANDERS IS SOMETHING I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT LAST NIGHT WHEN I WAS

HIM ABOUT LAST NIGHT WHEN I WAS IN VERMONT AND THAT IS THERE

IN VERMONT AND THAT IS THERE HAVE BEEN SOME REALLY UNTOWARD

HAVE BEEN SOME REALLY UNTOWARD ATTACKS BY SENATOR SANDERS’

ATTACKS BY SENATOR SANDERS’ SUPPORTERS, NOT BY HIM, HIMSELF,

SUPPORTERS, NOT BY HIM, HIMSELF, AGAINST YOU, PARTICULARLY

AGAINST YOU, PARTICULARLY ONLINE.

ONLINE. HIS SUPPORTERS HAVE CALLED YOU A

HIS SUPPORTERS HAVE CALLED YOU A SNAKE.

SNAKE. THEY USED THE SNAKE EMOJI FOR

THEY USED THE SNAKE EMOJI FOR YOU.

YOU. THEY’VE CALLED YOU A TRAITOR.

THEY’VE CALLED YOU A TRAITOR. THEY TRIED TO ORGANIZE SOMEBODY

THEY TRIED TO ORGANIZE SOMEBODY TO PRIMARY YOU TO FORCE YOU OUT

TO PRIMARY YOU TO FORCE YOU OUT OF YOUR SENATE SEAT HERE IN

OF YOUR SENATE SEAT HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS.

MASSACHUSETTS. AND THE SENATOR SAID LAST NIGHT,

AND THE SENATOR SAID LAST NIGHT, HE RESPONDED, HE SAID, "I

HE RESPONDED, HE SAID, "I CONDEMNED THAT."

CONDEMNED THAT." AND HE’S DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM

AND HE’S DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM WHAT HIS SUPPORTERS HAVE DONE.

WHAT HIS SUPPORTERS HAVE DONE. I WANTED TO ASK IF -- IF THAT

I WANTED TO ASK IF -- IF THAT ROSE TO YOUR LEVEL OF

ROSE TO YOUR LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS, IF YOU WERE AWARE

CONSCIOUSNESS, IF YOU WERE AWARE THAT WAS GOING ON, IF YOU HAVE

THAT WAS GOING ON, IF YOU HAVE ANY REACTION TO THAT OR TO HIS

ANY REACTION TO THAT OR TO HIS COMMENTS ABOUT IT LAST NIGHT.

COMMENTS ABOUT IT LAST NIGHT. >> YOU KNOW, IT’S -- IT’S NOT

>> YOU KNOW, IT’S -- IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT ME.

JUST ABOUT ME. I THINK THERE’S A REAL PROBLEM

I THINK THERE’S A REAL PROBLEM WITH THIS ONLINE BULLYING AND

WITH THIS ONLINE BULLYING AND SORT OF ORGANIZED NASTINESS, AND

SORT OF ORGANIZED NASTINESS, AND I’M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT WHO

I’M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT WHO SAID MEAN THINGS.

SAID MEAN THINGS. I’M TALKING ABOUT SOME REALLY

I’M TALKING ABOUT SOME REALLY UGLY STUFF THAT WENT ON.

UGLY STUFF THAT WENT ON. YOU KNOW, IN THE -- OUT IN

YOU KNOW, IN THE -- OUT IN NEVADA WHEN THE UNITE HERE HAD

NEVADA WHEN THE UNITE HERE HAD PUT OUT AN ANALYSIS OF THE

PUT OUT AN ANALYSIS OF THE DIFFERENT CANDIDATES AND THEIR

DIFFERENT CANDIDATES AND THEIR VIEWS ON HEALTH CARE AND OTHER

VIEWS ON HEALTH CARE AND OTHER ISSUES AND SOME OF THE BERNIE

ISSUES AND SOME OF THE BERNIE SUPPORTERS ONLINE TOOK EXCEPTION

SUPPORTERS ONLINE TOOK EXCEPTION TO IT AND THEY DIDN’T JUST TAKE

TO IT AND THEY DIDN’T JUST TAKE EXCEPTION THAT WE DISAGREE, YOU

EXCEPTION THAT WE DISAGREE, YOU KNOW, OUTRAGEOUS TOWAY TO DO THI

KNOW, OUTRAGEOUS TOWAY TO DO THI WHICH ANYBODY CAN DO, THAT’S

WHICH ANYBODY CAN DO, THAT’S FINE.

FINE. YOU CAN BE CLEVER AND CAN FIND

YOU CAN BE CLEVER AND CAN FIND CLEVER WAYS TO BE KIND OF MEAN

CLEVER WAYS TO BE KIND OF MEAN SOMETIMES.

SOMETIMES. OKAY.

OKAY. I GET THAT PART, TOO.

I GET THAT PART, TOO. BUT THEY ACTUALLY PUBLISHED THE

BUT THEY ACTUALLY PUBLISHED THE PHONE NUMBERS AND HOME ADDRESSES

PHONE NUMBERS AND HOME ADDRESSES OF THE TWO WOMEN, THE EXECUTIVE

OF THE TWO WOMEN, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND THE COMMUNICATIONS

DIRECTOR AND THE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, WOMEN OF COLOR,

DIRECTOR, WOMEN OF COLOR, IMMIGRANT WOMEN, AND REALLY PUT

IMMIGRANT WOMEN, AND REALLY PUT THEM IN FEAR FOR THEIR FAMILIES,

THEM IN FEAR FOR THEIR FAMILIES, OF -- THEY -- THESE ARE -- THESE

OF -- THEY -- THESE ARE -- THESE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE

ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TOUGH WOMEN.

TOUGH WOMEN. TOUGH WOMEN WHO’VE RUN LABOR

TOUGH WOMEN WHO’VE RUN LABOR ORGANIZING CAMPAIGNS AND REALLY

ORGANIZING CAMPAIGNS AND REALLY EARNED THEIR JOBS IN THEIR

EARNED THEIR JOBS IN THEIR UNION, I MEAN, THE HARD WAY.

UNION, I MEAN, THE HARD WAY. AND, YET, SAID FOR THE FIRST

AND, YET, SAID FOR THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE OF THIS ONSLAUGHT

TIME BECAUSE OF THIS ONSLAUGHT OF ONLINE THREATS THAT THEY FELT

OF ONLINE THREATS THAT THEY FELT REALLY UNDER ATTACK AND -- AND

REALLY UNDER ATTACK AND -- AND THAT WASN’T THE FIRST TIME IT

THAT WASN’T THE FIRST TIME IT HAPPENED.

HAPPENED. WORKING FAMILIES PARTY, TWO

WORKING FAMILIES PARTY, TWO WOMEN THERE, WOMEN OF COLOR, WHO

WOMEN THERE, WOMEN OF COLOR, WHO WERE ATTACKED RIGHT AFTER THEY

WERE ATTACKED RIGHT AFTER THEY ENDORSED ME.

ENDORSED ME. AND I THINK THIS FUNDAMENTAL

AND I THINK THIS FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION ABOUT WHAT GOES ON

QUESTION ABOUT WHAT GOES ON ONLINE AND WHERE THOSE LINES ARE

ONLINE AND WHERE THOSE LINES ARE AND HOW MUCH EACH OF US -- AND I

AND HOW MUCH EACH OF US -- AND I WANT TO SAY THIS FOR ALL OF THE

WANT TO SAY THIS FOR ALL OF THE CANDIDATES, BACK WHEN THERE WERE

CANDIDATES, BACK WHEN THERE WERE LOTS OF US -- WE ARE RESPONSIBLE

LOTS OF US -- WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE

FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE OUR SUPPORTERS AND DO REALLY

OUR SUPPORTERS AND DO REALLY THREATEN, UGLY, DANGEROUS THINGS

THREATEN, UGLY, DANGEROUS THINGS TO OTHER CANDIDATES.

TO OTHER CANDIDATES. >> AND IT’S A PARTICULARLY --

>> AND IT’S A PARTICULARLY -- IT’S A PARTICULAR PROBLEM WITH

IT’S A PARTICULAR PROBLEM WITH SANDERS’ SUPPORTERS.

SANDERS’ SUPPORTERS. >> IT IS.

>> IT IS. IT JUST IS.

IT JUST IS. JUST A FACTUAL QUESTION.

JUST A FACTUAL QUESTION. AND IT IS.

AND IT IS. AND THAT’S SOMETHING I THINK

AND THAT’S SOMETHING I THINK THAT -- THAT --

THAT -- THAT -- >> HAVE YOU EVER TALKED WITH

>> HAVE YOU EVER TALKED WITH SENATOR SANDERS ABOUT THAT?

SENATOR SANDERS ABOUT THAT? >> I HAVE.

>> I HAVE. >> WHAT WAS THAT CONVERSATION

>> WHAT WAS THAT CONVERSATION LIKE?

LIKE? >> IT WAS SHORT, BUT, YEAH,

>> IT WAS SHORT, BUT, YEAH, WE’VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

WE’VE TALKED ABOUT IT. BUT I THINK IT’S A REAL PROBLEM.

BUT I THINK IT’S A REAL PROBLEM. >> DOES HE NOT SHARE YOUR VIEW

>> DOES HE NOT SHARE YOUR VIEW THAT HE’S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE

THAT HE’S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BEHAVIOR OF HIS SUPPORTERS?

BEHAVIOR OF HIS SUPPORTERS? >> YOU KNOW, I SHOULDN’T SPEAK

>> YOU KNOW, I SHOULDN’T SPEAK FOR HIM.

FOR HIM. IT’S SOMETHING HE SHOULD SPEAK

IT’S SOMETHING HE SHOULD SPEAK FOR HIMSELF ON, BUT I DO THINK

FOR HIMSELF ON, BUT I DO THINK IT’S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO

IT’S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO RECKON WITH IN OUR POLITICAL

RECKON WITH IN OUR POLITICAL DISCOURSE, IN PARTICULAR,

DISCOURSE, IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT POLITICS IS

BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT POLITICS IS ABOUT IS TO GET OUT AND PUT YOUR

ABOUT IS TO GET OUT AND PUT YOUR IDEAS OUT THERE.

IDEAS OUT THERE. PEOPLE CHOOSE SIDES.

PEOPLE CHOOSE SIDES. PEOPLE VOTE.

PEOPLE VOTE. PEOPLE SAY, I’M HOLDING A SIGN

PEOPLE SAY, I’M HOLDING A SIGN FOR HER, I’M HOLDING A SIGN FOR

FOR HER, I’M HOLDING A SIGN FOR HIM.

HIM. THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE DO, BUT

THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE DO, BUT WHAT UNDERLIES THAT IS A

WHAT UNDERLIES THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN DECENCY AND

FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN DECENCY AND RESPECT FER OOCHOR EACH OTHER AN

RESPECT FER OOCHOR EACH OTHER AN UNDERSTANDING THAT NOBODY TRIES

UNDERSTANDING THAT NOBODY TRIES TO PUT SOMEBODY’S FAMILY AT RISK

TO PUT SOMEBODY’S FAMILY AT RISK OR SOMEBODY PERSONALLY AT RISK

OR SOMEBODY PERSONALLY AT RISK BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH YOU

BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THE POLITICS OF IT, BECAUSE

ON THE POLITICS OF IT, BECAUSE THEY SEE THE POLICY DIFFERENT,

THEY SEE THE POLICY DIFFERENT, BECAUSE THEY DON’T SUPPORT YOUR

BECAUSE THEY DON’T SUPPORT YOUR CANDIDATE AND THEY SUPPORT SOME

CANDIDATE AND THEY SUPPORT SOME OTHER CANDIDATE.

OTHER CANDIDATE. NO.

NO. AND IF WE FOLLOW THAT SAME KIND

AND IF WE FOLLOW THAT SAME KIND OF POLITICS AND DIVISION THAT

OF POLITICS AND DIVISION THAT DONALD TRUMP FOLLOWS, THAT

DONALD TRUMP FOLLOWS, THAT NOTION OF -- HE DRAWS STRENGTH

NOTION OF -- HE DRAWS STRENGTH FROM TEARING PEOPLE APART, FROM

FROM TEARING PEOPLE APART, FROM DEMONIZING PEOPLE, FROM SAYING,

DEMONIZING PEOPLE, FROM SAYING, OH, THOSE ARE BAD PEOPLE AND

OH, THOSE ARE BAD PEOPLE AND THAT’S -- THAT’S KIND OF HOW

THAT’S -- THAT’S KIND OF HOW THEY DRAW THEIR STRENGTH.

THEY DRAW THEIR STRENGTH. IT’S NOT WHO I WANT TO BE AS A

IT’S NOT WHO I WANT TO BE AS A DEMOCRAT.

DEMOCRAT. IT’S NOT WHO I WANT TO BE AS AN

IT’S NOT WHO I WANT TO BE AS AN AMERICAN.

AMERICAN. AND TO THE EXTENT I HAVE ANY

AND TO THE EXTENT I HAVE ANY POWER TO CONTROL THAT, I DO WHAT

POWER TO CONTROL THAT, I DO WHAT I CAN AND I CALL ON OTHERS TO DO

I CAN AND I CALL ON OTHERS TO DO THE SAME AND I THINK WE HAVE TO

THE SAME AND I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AROUND

HAVE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AROUND THAT.

THAT. >> IF THAT IS A PERSISTENT

>> IF THAT IS A PERSISTENT PROBLEM IN THE MOVEMENT AROUND

PROBLEM IN THE MOVEMENT AROUND SENATOR SANDERS, THAT WAS A

SENATOR SANDERS, THAT WAS A PROBLEM THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE

PROBLEM THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINED ABOUT IN 2016 AROUND

COMPLAINED ABOUT IN 2016 AROUND HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. ALL THE MORE SO THIS YEAR.

ALL THE MORE SO THIS YEAR. AND THE SENATOR, YOU KNOW, SAYS

AND THE SENATOR, YOU KNOW, SAYS THAT HE’S AGAINST IT AND SAYS

THAT HE’S AGAINST IT AND SAYS THAT HE’S CONDEMNED IT.

THAT HE’S CONDEMNED IT. I’VE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT

I’VE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT DIRECTLY, BUT IF IT IS A

DIRECTLY, BUT IF IT IS A PERSISTENT PROBLEM AND

PERSISTENT PROBLEM AND THERE’S -- FOR WHATEVER REASON

THERE’S -- FOR WHATEVER REASON HE CAN’T CONTROL IT OR IT’S NOT