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WE HAVE NATIONAL AFFAIRS ANALYST JOHN HEILEMANN, MIKE BARNICLE IS
JOHN HEILEMANN, MIKE BARNICLE IS WITH US AND JOINING THE
WITH US AND JOINING THE CONVERSATION, DEMOCRATIC SENATOR
CONVERSATION, DEMOCRATIC SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS OF CALIFORNIA.
KAMALA HARRIS OF CALIFORNIA. SHE HAS TWO BOOKS OUT, "THE
SHE HAS TWO BOOKS OUT, "THE TRUTHS WE HOLD, AN AMERICAN
TRUTHS WE HOLD, AN AMERICAN JOURNEY" AND A CHILDREN’S BOOK,
JOURNEY" AND A CHILDREN’S BOOK, "SUPERHEROS ARE EVERYWHERE."
"SUPERHEROS ARE EVERYWHERE." WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT
WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT 2020 POLITICS BUT FIRST LET’S
2020 POLITICS BUT FIRST LET’S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE AT HAND.
TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE AT HAND. IN WASHINGTON WITH SO MANY
IN WASHINGTON WITH SO MANY FEDERAL EMPLOYEES GETTING
FEDERAL EMPLOYEES GETTING PAYCHECKS TODAY WITH A BIG FAT
PAYCHECKS TODAY WITH A BIG FAT ZERO ON THEM, WHAT’S IT GOING TO
ZERO ON THEM, WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE TO END THIS SHUTDOWN?
TAKE TO END THIS SHUTDOWN? WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE TO PUSH
WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE TO PUSH MITCH McCONNELL OVER THE EDGE
MITCH McCONNELL OVER THE EDGE AND GET HIM TO CUT A DEAL?
AND GET HIM TO CUT A DEAL? IF THE PRESIDENT CUTS A DEAL ON
IF THE PRESIDENT CUTS A DEAL ON DREAMERS, A STRONG ONE, WOULD
DREAMERS, A STRONG ONE, WOULD THAT END THE SHUTDOWN?
THAT END THE SHUTDOWN? >> WELL, FIRST, THE PRESIDENT IS
>> WELL, FIRST, THE PRESIDENT IS HOLDING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
HOLDING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HOSTAGE OVER HIS VANITY PROJECT.
HOSTAGE OVER HIS VANITY PROJECT. THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING.
THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING. THIS IS A CRISIS OF HIS OWN
THIS IS A CRISIS OF HIS OWN MAKING.
MAKING. I FOUND IT OUTRAGEOUS.
I FOUND IT OUTRAGEOUS. IT WOULD BE FASCINATING IF IT
IT WOULD BE FASCINATING IF IT WEREN’T POTENTIALLY SO
WEREN’T POTENTIALLY SO DESTRUCTIVE, TO SIT BACK AND
DESTRUCTIVE, TO SIT BACK AND TALK ABOUT HE’S TALKING ABOUT AN
TALK ABOUT HE’S TALKING ABOUT AN EMERGENCY ORDER OVER A CRISIS OF
EMERGENCY ORDER OVER A CRISIS OF HIS OWN MAKING.
HIS OWN MAKING. WE HAVE A PRESIDENT OF THE
WE HAVE A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PUTTING POLITICS
UNITED STATES PUTTING POLITICS ABOVE THE NEEDS OF THE AMERICAN
ABOVE THE NEEDS OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
PUBLIC. THAT’S WHERE WE ARE.
THAT’S WHERE WE ARE. EHOPE THAT ALL OF US WHO HAVE
EHOPE THAT ALL OF US WHO HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO ACT ON BEHALF
TAKEN AN OATH TO ACT ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT WOULD
OF THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT WOULD STEP UP AND STEP UP AND SPEAK
STEP UP AND STEP UP AND SPEAK OUT ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN
OUT ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TSA PEOPLE
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TSA PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING
WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING ATTENTION TO NATIONAL SECURITY
ATTENTION TO NATIONAL SECURITY SECURITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE
SECURITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE SAFE.
ARE SAFE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FBI AGENTS
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FBI AGENTS WHO ARE FURLOUGHED.
WHO ARE FURLOUGHED. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO
HAVE DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE
WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THE INTEREST
AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
OF PUBLIC SAFETY. SO THE IRONY HERE IS THIS
SO THE IRONY HERE IS THIS PRESIDENT IS TALKING ABOUT A
PRESIDENT IS TALKING ABOUT A WALL BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO
WALL BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO KEEP OUT SO-CALLED TERRORISTS,
KEEP OUT SO-CALLED TERRORISTS, WHICH WE KNOW IS NOT TRUE, IN
WHICH WE KNOW IS NOT TRUE, IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY
THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY WHEN EACH DAY HE IS CHOKING THE
WHEN EACH DAY HE IS CHOKING THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE
VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTUALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE
FOR ACTUALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY EVERY DAY AS
HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY EVERY DAY AS AMERICANS.
AMERICANS. IT’S OUTRAGEOUS.
IT’S OUTRAGEOUS. YOU HAVE TO PUT THIS IN CONTEST.
YOU HAVE TO PUT THIS IN CONTEST. >> SHOULD DEMOCRATS AND
>> SHOULD DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AT THIS POINT BE
REPUBLICANS AT THIS POINT BE MEETING ON THEIR OWN?
MEETING ON THEIR OWN? SHOULD THEY TRY TO FIND THEIR
SHOULD THEY TRY TO FIND THEIR WAY AROUND THE PRESIDENT?
WAY AROUND THE PRESIDENT? CAN THERE BE SOME UNITY IN AT
CAN THERE BE SOME UNITY IN AT LEAST AGREEING THAT CRISIS IS A
LEAST AGREEING THAT CRISIS IS A WORD BEING MISUSED AND THIS
WORD BEING MISUSED AND THIS SHUTDOWN HAS TO END?
SHUTDOWN HAS TO END? >> I THINK YOU’RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
>> I THINK YOU’RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS
THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS SHOULD RECOGNIZE THE CRISIS OF
SHOULD RECOGNIZE THE CRISIS OF LEADERSHIP AND WHERE THERE IS A
LEADERSHIP AND WHERE THERE IS A VOID AND A VACUUM IN PARTICULAR
VOID AND A VACUUM IN PARTICULAR THEN WE SHOULD BE COMPELLED TO
THEN WE SHOULD BE COMPELLED TO STEP UP.
STEP UP. NO QUESTION.
NO QUESTION. THERE’S NO QUESTION.
THERE’S NO QUESTION. >> SO, SENATOR, THIS IS ACTUALLY
>> SO, SENATOR, THIS IS ACTUALLY A MORE SPECIFIC PROBLEM FOR YOU
A MORE SPECIFIC PROBLEM FOR YOU IN YOUR STATE BECAUSE THE "NEW
IN YOUR STATE BECAUSE THE "NEW YORK TIMES" IS REPORTING THIS
YORK TIMES" IS REPORTING THIS MORNING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS
MORNING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS LOOKING AND ASKING IF HE CAN
LOOKING AND ASKING IF HE CAN DIVERT EMERGENCY FUNDS AWAY FROM
DIVERT EMERGENCY FUNDS AWAY FROM YOUR STATE, YOUR RECOVERY FROM
YOUR STATE, YOUR RECOVERY FROM THE WILDFIRES IN NORTHERN
THE WILDFIRES IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA, TAKE $13.9 BILLION
CALIFORNIA, TAKE $13.9 BILLION ALLOCATED FOR HURRICANE AND FIRE
ALLOCATED FOR HURRICANE AND FIRE RELIEF TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND
RELIEF TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND USE IT ALONG THE BORDER.
USE IT ALONG THE BORDER. WHAT’S YOUR REACTION TO THAT
WHAT’S YOUR REACTION TO THAT IDEA?
IDEA? >> AGAIN, IT’S OUTRAGEOUS.
>> AGAIN, IT’S OUTRAGEOUS. IT’S SAD TO BE HONEST WITH YOU,
IT’S SAD TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WILLIE.
WILLIE. I SAY THIS BECAUSE I HAVE
I SAY THIS BECAUSE I HAVE TRAVELED TO PUERTO RICO AFTER
TRAVELED TO PUERTO RICO AFTER THAT ISLAND WAS DEVASTATED BY
THAT ISLAND WAS DEVASTATED BY NATURAL DISASTER, I WENT TO
NATURAL DISASTER, I WENT TO PARADISE, CALIFORNIA AND I MET
PARADISE, CALIFORNIA AND I MET WITH THE FAMILIES, THE FIRES
WITH THE FAMILIES, THE FIRES WERE STILL -- THE SMOKE, IT WAS
WERE STILL -- THE SMOKE, IT WAS IN THE AIR.
IN THE AIR. I MET WITH THESE FAMILIES WHO
I MET WITH THESE FAMILIES WHO WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO RETURN TO
WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO RETURN TO A HOME THEY ONLY KNEW.
A HOME THEY ONLY KNEW. I MET WITH FIREFIGHTERS IN
I MET WITH FIREFIGHTERS IN PARADISE, CALIFORNIA, WHO AS
PARADISE, CALIFORNIA, WHO AS THEY WERE FIGHTING FIRES KNEW
THEY WERE FIGHTING FIRES KNEW THAT THEIR HOMES HAD BURNED
THAT THEIR HOMES HAD BURNED DOWN.
DOWN. THESE ARE THE REAL STORIES
THESE ARE THE REAL STORIES BEHIND THIS POLITICAL MAN IP
BEHIND THIS POLITICAL MAN IP MANIPULATION THAT IS HAPPENING.
MANIPULATION THAT IS HAPPENING. IT IS ABSOLUTELY IRRESPONSIBLE.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY IRRESPONSIBLE. IT IS NOT ONLY IRRESPONSIBLE,
IT IS NOT ONLY IRRESPONSIBLE, AND WE CAN SIT BACK AND DRINK
AND WE CAN SIT BACK AND DRINK OUR COFFEE AND TALK ABOUT THIS
OUR COFFEE AND TALK ABOUT THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, IT’S ACTUALLY
IS OUTRAGEOUS, IT’S ACTUALLY HARMFUL ON A DAILY BASIS TO REAL
HARMFUL ON A DAILY BASIS TO REAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE A RIGHT TO
PEOPLE WHO HAVE A RIGHT TO BELIEVE THEIR GOVERNMENT WILL
BELIEVE THEIR GOVERNMENT WILL ACT IN THEIR BEST INTEREST AND
ACT IN THEIR BEST INTEREST AND NOT IN THEIR SELFISH INTEREST.
NOT IN THEIR SELFISH INTEREST. IT’S A FARCE.
IT’S A FARCE. IT’S A FARCE.
IT’S A FARCE. THIS IS ALL HAPPENING IN THE
THIS IS ALL HAPPENING IN THE SO-CALLED INTEREST OF PUBLIC
SO-CALLED INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
SAFETY. WELL, WHAT ABOUT FIRST
WELL, WHAT ABOUT FIRST RESPONDERS?
RESPONDERS? WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES
WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED BY NATURAL
HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED BY NATURAL DISASTERS?
DISASTERS? THEY SHOULD BE OUR CONCERN.
THEY SHOULD BE OUR CONCERN. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU
NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THROWING
WANT TO TALK ABOUT THROWING AROUND $5 BILLION.
AROUND $5 BILLION. THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WOULD LOVE
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE $5 BILLION PUT INTO
TO SEE THOSE $5 BILLION PUT INTO BUILDING UP ROADS AND BRIDGES
BUILDING UP ROADS AND BRIDGES THAT ARE FALLING APART, INTO
THAT ARE FALLING APART, INTO MONEY THAT WE NEED TO INFUSE A
MONEY THAT WE NEED TO INFUSE A SYSTEM THAT MAYBE WOULD ALLOW
SYSTEM THAT MAYBE WOULD ALLOW FOR THE FIRST TIME AFFORDABLE
FOR THE FIRST TIME AFFORDABLE CHILD CARE FOR WORKING FAMILIES.
CHILD CARE FOR WORKING FAMILIES. A LOT WE COULD DO WITH $5
A LOT WE COULD DO WITH $5 BILLION INSTEAD OF A VANITY
BILLION INSTEAD OF A VANITY PROJECT.
PROJECT. >> SENATOR, LET’S BE CONSTRUCT
>> SENATOR, LET’S BE CONSTRUCT CONSTRUCTIVE.
CONSTRUCTIVE. WE KNOW WHO IT’S HURTING.
WE KNOW WHO IT’S HURTING. WHAT’S THE WAY OUT OF THIS?
WHAT’S THE WAY OUT OF THIS? WE ASKED A LOT OF YOUR
WE ASKED A LOT OF YOUR COLLEAGUES.
COLLEAGUES. PRESIDENT SAID $5.7 BILLION OR
PRESIDENT SAID $5.7 BILLION OR BUST, I’M NOT MOVING.
BUST, I’M NOT MOVING. YOUR DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES SAID
YOUR DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES SAID YOU’RE NOT GETTING 5D$5.7 BILLIO
YOU’RE NOT GETTING 5D$5.7 BILLIO HOW DO WE GET OUT OF THIS?
HOW DO WE GET OUT OF THIS? >> WE HAVE TO SPEAK UP.
>> WE HAVE TO SPEAK UP. WE HAVE TO SPEAK UP.
WE HAVE TO SPEAK UP. I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU AS AN
I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU AS AN EXAMPLE SOMETHING THAT JUST
EXAMPLE SOMETHING THAT JUST COMES TO MIND.
COMES TO MIND. WHEN THIS ADMINISTRATION CREATED
WHEN THIS ADMINISTRATION CREATED A POLICY OF RIPPING BABIES FROM
A POLICY OF RIPPING BABIES FROM THEIR MOTHER’S AND FATHER’S
THEIR MOTHER’S AND FATHER’S ARMS, PEOPLE SPOKE UP AND PUT
ARMS, PEOPLE SPOKE UP AND PUT THE PRESSURE ON THIS
THE PRESSURE ON THIS ADMINISTRATION SAYING THIS IS
ADMINISTRATION SAYING THIS IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF OUR VALUES AND
NOT REFLECTIVE OF OUR VALUES AND WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN TERMS OF
WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN TERMS OF THE ROLE OF OUR COUNTRY WHEN IT
THE ROLE OF OUR COUNTRY WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE MOST IN NEED.
COMES TO PEOPLE MOST IN NEED. PEOPLE HAVE TO SPEAK UP.
PEOPLE HAVE TO SPEAK UP. THERE IS POWER IN THAT.
THERE IS POWER IN THAT. THERE IS SPOUPOWER IN THE ELECTE
THERE IS SPOUPOWER IN THE ELECTE MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES
MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS SPEAKING UP.
CONGRESS SPEAKING UP. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS HERE?
REPUBLICANS HERE? >> I’M TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY.
>> I’M TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY. >> DO YOU THINK IF REPUBLICAN
>> DO YOU THINK IF REPUBLICAN SENATORS PUT PRESSURE ON THE
SENATORS PUT PRESSURE ON THE PRESIDENT THAT HE MIGHT BUCKLE
PRESIDENT THAT HE MIGHT BUCKLE ON $5.7 BILLION?
ON $5.7 BILLION? >> I DO.
>> I DO. I DO BELIEVE THAT MY REPUBLICAN
I DO BELIEVE THAT MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ARE RESPECTED BY
COLLEAGUES ARE RESPECTED BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
THEIR CONSTITUENTS. I DO BELIEVE ALL OF US IN A
I DO BELIEVE ALL OF US IN A POSITION OF ELECTED LEADERSHIP,
POSITION OF ELECTED LEADERSHIP, THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED US AND
THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED US AND EVEN THOSE WHO DIDN’T LOOK TO US
EVEN THOSE WHO DIDN’T LOOK TO US TO GIVE THEM SOME IDEA OF WHAT’S
TO GIVE THEM SOME IDEA OF WHAT’S GOING ON WITH THEIR GOVERNMENT
GOING ON WITH THEIR GOVERNMENT AND THEY PAY ATTENTION WHEN WE
AND THEY PAY ATTENTION WHEN WE TELL THEM WHAT’S HAPPENING AND
TELL THEM WHAT’S HAPPENING AND WHEN WE ARE HONEST WITH THEM AND
WHEN WE ARE HONEST WITH THEM AND WHEN WE SPEAK TRUTH.
WHEN WE SPEAK TRUTH. AND THEY LISTEN.
AND THEY LISTEN. AND THIS IS STILL A DEMOCRACY,
AND THIS IS STILL A DEMOCRACY, WILLIE.
WILLIE. THIS IS STILL A DEMOCRACY.
THIS IS STILL A DEMOCRACY. AND I DO BELIEVE THE PEOPLE’S
AND I DO BELIEVE THE PEOPLE’S WILL AND THEIR VOICE WILL BE
WILL AND THEIR VOICE WILL BE RESPECTED, BUT WE HAVE TO
RESPECTED, BUT WE HAVE TO ENCOURAGE IT.
ENCOURAGE IT. AND THAT’S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF
AND THAT’S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A LEADER.
A LEADER. THIS IS WHAT’S GOING ON, GUYS.
THIS IS WHAT’S GOING ON, GUYS. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT’S GOING ON
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT’S GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES.
BEHIND THE SCENES. THERE IS THAT RHETORIC AND THEN
THERE IS THAT RHETORIC AND THEN THERE’S WHAT’S REALLY HAPPENING.
THERE’S WHAT’S REALLY HAPPENING. >> THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICANS
>> THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICANS STARTING TO SPEAK OUT AND
STARTING TO SPEAK OUT AND THERE’S LINDSEY GRAHAM WHO IS
THERE’S LINDSEY GRAHAM WHO IS ENCOURAGING THE PRESIDENT TO
ENCOURAGING THE PRESIDENT TO DECLARE A NATIONAL CRISIS.
DECLARE A NATIONAL CRISIS. >> LET’S TALK ABOUT A NATIONAL
>> LET’S TALK ABOUT A NATIONAL CRISIS.
CRISIS. IN LOS ANGELES, A POTENTIAL
IN LOS ANGELES, A POTENTIAL TEACHER’S STRIKE.
TEACHER’S STRIKE. 900 SCHOOLS.
900 SCHOOLS. IT’S BEEN DELAYED UNTIL MONDAY.
IT’S BEEN DELAYED UNTIL MONDAY. 80% OF THE CHILDREN IN THOSE
80% OF THE CHILDREN IN THOSE SCHOOL LIVE IN POVERTY.
SCHOOL LIVE IN POVERTY. >> WHYYES, THEY DO.
>> WHYYES, THEY DO. >> PART OF THE ELEMENT OF A
>> PART OF THE ELEMENT OF A DEBATE OF A STRIKE IS HEALTH
DEBATE OF A STRIKE IS HEALTH CARE.
CARE. SOME TEACHERS RECEIVE LIFETIME
SOME TEACHERS RECEIVE LIFETIME HOUSE BENEFITS ALONG WITH THEIR
HOUSE BENEFITS ALONG WITH THEIR SPOUSES.
SPOUSES. THE COST IS ENORMOUS.
THE COST IS ENORMOUS. SO THIS IS NOT JUST LOS ANGELES.
SO THIS IS NOT JUST LOS ANGELES. THIS IS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
THIS IS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> SO THE NATIONAL CRISIS THAT
>> SO THE NATIONAL CRISIS THAT NO PRESIDENT, AT LEAST PRESIDENT
NO PRESIDENT, AT LEAST PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT ADDRESSED FROM THE
TRUMP HAS NOT ADDRESSED FROM THE OVAL OFFICE IS THE RISING COST
OVAL OFFICE IS THE RISING COST OF HEALTH CARE.
OF HEALTH CARE. 80% OF CHILDREN IN ONE SCHOOL
80% OF CHILDREN IN ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT LIVING IN POVERTY.
DISTRICT LIVING IN POVERTY. THAT’S NOT UNUSUAL WITH LIKE NO
THAT’S NOT UNUSUAL WITH LIKE NO SHOT FOR YOUR FUTURE OR THE
SHOT FOR YOUR FUTURE OR THE FUTURE --
FUTURE -- >> THAT’S RIGHT.
>> THAT’S RIGHT. >> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
>> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO
PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IS A VERY
ACKNOWLEDGE IS A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH, WHICH IS
UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH, WHICH IS THAT WE ARE A SOCIETY THAT
THAT WE ARE A SOCIETY THAT PRETENDS TO CARE ABOUT EDUCATION
PRETENDS TO CARE ABOUT EDUCATION BUT NOT SO MUCH THE EDUCATION OF
BUT NOT SO MUCH THE EDUCATION OF OTHER PEOPLE’S CHILDREN.
OTHER PEOPLE’S CHILDREN. AND WE NEED TO BE HONEST ABOUT
AND WE NEED TO BE HONEST ABOUT THAT.
THAT. WE HAVE ALLOWED OUR PUBLIC
WE HAVE ALLOWED OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM TO ATROPHY.
EDUCATION SYSTEM TO ATROPHY. TO YOUR POINT, I AM A
TO YOUR POINT, I AM A BENEFICIARY OF A PUBLIC
BENEFICIARY OF A PUBLIC EDUCATION.
EDUCATION. WHEN I WAS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, IN
WHEN I WAS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN CALIFORNIA,
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN CALIFORNIA, IT WAS RANGED AS ONE OF THE
IT WAS RANGED AS ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE
HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE WE WERE PUTTING THE RESOURCES
WE WERE PUTTING THE RESOURCES INTO SUPPORTING OUR TEACHERS AND
INTO SUPPORTING OUR TEACHERS AND RECOGNIZING THEIR VALUE AND
RECOGNIZING THEIR VALUE AND PAYING THEM COMMENSURATE WITH
PAYING THEM COMMENSURATE WITH THEIR VALUE.
THEIR VALUE. WE WERE PUTTING RESOURCES INTO
WE WERE PUTTING RESOURCES INTO THE CLASSROOM, KNOWING THAT THAT
THE CLASSROOM, KNOWING THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE THE BEST
IS GOING TO BE THE BEST INDICATION OF WHAT OUR FUTURE
INDICATION OF WHAT OUR FUTURE WILL LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF OUR
WILL LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF OUR ECONOMIC HEALTH AND STANDING IN
ECONOMIC HEALTH AND STANDING IN THE WORLD.
THE WORLD. AND WE’VE FALL I DON’T KNOWEN SH
AND WE’VE FALL I DON’T KNOWEN SH IT HAS TO BE ON A STATE LEVEL
IT HAS TO BE ON A STATE LEVEL AND LOCAL LEVEL FOR SURE.
AND LOCAL LEVEL FOR SURE. >> HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE
>> HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RACE AND
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RACE AND CLASS AND ABOUT HOW SOME KIDS
CLASS AND ABOUT HOW SOME KIDS MAKE IT AND SOME KIDS DON’T?
MAKE IT AND SOME KIDS DON’T? >> THIS IS A LONG CONVERSATION.
>> THIS IS A LONG CONVERSATION. YOU WANT TO SIT BACK?
YOU WANT TO SIT BACK? I’M HAPPY TO HAVE IT.
I’M HAPPY TO HAVE IT. THERE’S A LOT TO TALK ABOUT ON
THERE’S A LOT TO TALK ABOUT ON BOTH PIECES AND BOTH ARE
BOTH PIECES AND BOTH ARE RELEVANT TO WHAT WE SEE AS
RELEVANT TO WHAT WE SEE AS OUTCOMES AND ALSO WHAT WE ARE
OUTCOMES AND ALSO WHAT WE ARE PUTTING INTO THE SYSTEM.
PUTTING INTO THE SYSTEM. I’LL CREDIT FORMER GOVERNOR
I’LL CREDIT FORMER GOVERNOR GERRY BROWN AND I’M A HUGE FAN
GERRY BROWN AND I’M A HUGE FAN OF THE CURRENT GOVERNOR.
OF THE CURRENT GOVERNOR. BUT GERRY BROWN CREATED A SYSTEM
BUT GERRY BROWN CREATED A SYSTEM GIVING LOCAL CONTROL AND IN
GIVING LOCAL CONTROL AND IN PARTICULAR CHANGING THE FACTORS
PARTICULAR CHANGING THE FACTORS WE CONSIDER IN TERMS OF WHAT WE
WE CONSIDER IN TERMS OF WHAT WE PUT INTO RESOURCES INTO SCHOOL
PUT INTO RESOURCES INTO SCHOOL DISTRICTS, FACTORING THE NUMBER
DISTRICTS, FACTORING THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM
OF CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WHO ARE IN THE FOSTER CARE
WHO ARE IN THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM.
SYSTEM. FACTORING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE
FACTORING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME OF THOSE
HOUSEHOLD INCOME OF THOSE FAMILIES AND ZIP CODES.
FAMILIES AND ZIP CODES. I’M GOING TO TELL YOU, WE CAN
I’M GOING TO TELL YOU, WE CAN GET INTO SOME REAL DETAIL HERE,
GET INTO SOME REAL DETAIL HERE, I THINK SO MUCH PUBLIC POLICY
I THINK SO MUCH PUBLIC POLICY WOULD BE BETTER IF WE REALLY
WOULD BE BETTER IF WE REALLY STARTED TO FACTOR IN ZIP CODES
STARTED TO FACTOR IN ZIP CODES IN TERMS OF HOW WE DISTRIBUTE
IN TERMS OF HOW WE DISTRIBUTE RESOURCES.
RESOURCES. AND THE BEAUTY OF IT, I’M REALLY
AND THE BEAUTY OF IT, I’M REALLY GOING TO GET INTO DETAIL, WHICH
GOING TO GET INTO DETAIL, WHICH I TALK ABOUT IN MY BOOK, IS ALSO
I TALK ABOUT IN MY BOOK, IS ALSO THAT RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF
THAT RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF PUBLIC POLICY IN OUR COUNTRY, WE
PUBLIC POLICY IN OUR COUNTRY, WE CAN’T GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF
CAN’T GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THE
DETAIL BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT ALLOWS US TO
TECHNOLOGY THAT ALLOWS US TO COLLECT LARGE AMOUNTS OF DATA
COLLECT LARGE AMOUNTS OF DATA AND ANALYZE IT IN A WAY THAT WE
AND ANALYZE IT IN A WAY THAT WE COULD BE SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE
COULD BE SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE WITH THE DISTRIBUTION OF LIMITED
WITH THE DISTRIBUTION OF LIMITED RESOURCES AND I WOULD START WITH
RESOURCES AND I WOULD START WITH PUBLIC EDUCATION.
PUBLIC EDUCATION. >> KAMALA, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT
>> KAMALA, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR BOOK.
TO TALK ABOUT YOUR BOOK. >> BOTH OF THEM!
>> BOTH OF THEM! >> THANK YOU, MIKA.
>> THANK YOU, MIKA. >> WE CAN’T WAIT TO GET KAMALA
>> WE CAN’T WAIT TO GET KAMALA ON THE SHOW BECAUSE WE WANT TO
ON THE SHOW BECAUSE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT BOTH BOOKS.
TALK ABOUT BOTH BOOKS. "THE TRUTHS WE HOLD" AND "SUPER
"THE TRUTHS WE HOLD" AND "SUPER HEROS ARE EVERYWHERE" IS WHAT WE
HEROS ARE EVERYWHERE" IS WHAT WE ALWAYS WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
ALWAYS WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. THAT SAID, WE’RE GOING TO TALK
THAT SAID, WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND. >> I’M READY, I THINK.
>> I’M READY, I THINK. >> WE’LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A
>> WE’LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A SECOND.
SECOND. FIRST QUESTION IS THERE’S BEEN
FIRST QUESTION IS THERE’S BEEN APP AWFUL LOT OF TALK ABOUT YOU
APP AWFUL LOT OF TALK ABOUT YOU RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO MAKING THAT
HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO MAKING THAT DECISION?
DECISION? >> I’LL MAKE IT SOON.
>> I’LL MAKE IT SOON. I’M NOT GOING TO ANSWER TODAY
I’M NOT GOING TO ANSWER TODAY OBVIOUSLY.
OBVIOUSLY. >> WELL, THAT HURTS US.
>> WELL, THAT HURTS US. >> WILLIE AND I --
>> WILLIE AND I -- >> THIS TRANSACTION IS NOT
>> THIS TRANSACTION IS NOT WORKING.
WORKING. >> WILLIE AND I, WE CARE TOO
>> WILLIE AND I, WE CARE TOO MUCH.
MUCH. WE’LL TAKE THE PAIN AND CONTINUE
WE’LL TAKE THE PAIN AND CONTINUE THROUGH.
THROUGH. MORE IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO ASK
MORE IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO ASK YOU, THOUGH, IF YOU DECIDE TO
YOU, THOUGH, IF YOU DECIDE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, I WANT TO ASK
RUN FOR PRESIDENT, I WANT TO ASK YOU THE ROGER MUDD QUESTION THAT
YOU THE ROGER MUDD QUESTION THAT HE ASKED OF TED KENNEDY THAT TED
HE ASKED OF TED KENNEDY THAT TED KENNEDY COULDN’T ANSWER AND
KENNEDY COULDN’T ANSWER AND DOOMED HIS PRESIDENCY SINCE DAY
DOOMED HIS PRESIDENCY SINCE DAY ONE AND THAT IS WHY WOULD YOU
ONE AND THAT IS WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT?
WANT TO BE PRESIDENT? >> BECAUSE I BELIEVE OUR COUNTRY
>> BECAUSE I BELIEVE OUR COUNTRY WANTS AND NEEDS LEADERSHIP THAT
WANTS AND NEEDS LEADERSHIP THAT PROVIDE AS VISION OF THE FUTURE
PROVIDE AS VISION OF THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY IN WHICH EVERYONE
OF OUR COUNTRY IN WHICH EVERYONE CAN SEE THEMSELVES, IN WHICH
CAN SEE THEMSELVES, IN WHICH EVERYONE CAN SEE THEMSELVES.
EVERYONE CAN SEE THEMSELVES. SO LET’S START FROM THAT AND
SO LET’S START FROM THAT AND THEN THINK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO
THEN THINK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SPEAK TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE
DO TO SPEAK TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY TO ENSURE THAT WE
OF OUR COUNTRY TO ENSURE THAT WE SEE THEM, TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE
SEE THEM, TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON’T NEED TO ACCEPT FALSE
DON’T NEED TO ACCEPT FALSE CHOICES IN TERMS OF HOW WE
CHOICES IN TERMS OF HOW WE APPROACH BLACKPOLLPUBLIC POLICY.
APPROACH BLACKPOLLPUBLIC POLICY. I’M A CAREER PROSECUTOR.
I’M A CAREER PROSECUTOR. I’VE SPENT MY ENTIRE LIFE ALMOST
I’VE SPENT MY ENTIRE LIFE ALMOST ON PUBLIC SAFETY.
ON PUBLIC SAFETY. WE CAN DO THAT AND FOCUS ALSO ON
WE CAN DO THAT AND FOCUS ALSO ON BUILDING A HEALTHY ECONOMY.
BUILDING A HEALTHY ECONOMY. WE ARE AT AN INFLEXION POINT NOT
WE ARE AT AN INFLEXION POINT NOT ON IN THE HISTORY OF THIS
ON IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY BUT THE WITHHOLDORLD.
COUNTRY BUT THE WITHHOLDORLD. THERE’S BEEN SO MUCH ABOUT THE
THERE’S BEEN SO MUCH ABOUT THE FOCUS OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
FOCUS OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF 2016 AND WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
2016 AND WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT BUT WHAT WOULD NOT
DIFFERENT BUT WHAT WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED IS THAT WE ARE
HAVE CHANGED IS THAT WE ARE STILL A WORLD, A GLOBE, IN THE
STILL A WORLD, A GLOBE, IN THE MIDST OF AN INDUSTRIAL
MIDST OF AN INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.
REVOLUTION. WE ARE SEEING ASCENDING AND
WE ARE SEEING ASCENDING AND DESCENDING ECONOMIES, SHIFTING
DESCENDING ECONOMIES, SHIFTING POPULATIONS FOR A VARIETY OF
POPULATIONS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, INCLUDING WHAT WE NEED
REASONS, INCLUDING WHAT WE NEED TO TALK MORE ABOUT, WHICH IS
TO TALK MORE ABOUT, WHICH IS CLIMATE CHANGE.
CLIMATE CHANGE. THERE IS SO MUCH CHANGE
THERE IS SO MUCH CHANGE HAPPENING IN THE WORLD.
HAPPENING IN THE WORLD. AND THE QUESTION I THINK FOR US
AND THE QUESTION I THINK FOR US AS A COUNTRY IS WHERE DO WE WANT
AS A COUNTRY IS WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE IN THIS MOMENT AND WHERE
TO BE IN THIS MOMENT AND WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE IN THE NEAR
DO WE WANT TO BE IN THE NEAR FUTURE?
FUTURE? WE NEED TO CLAIM OUR POSITION
WE NEED TO CLAIM OUR POSITION AND START THINKING ABOUT THAT.
AND START THINKING ABOUT THAT. AND THAT INVOLVES THINKING ABOUT
AND THAT INVOLVES THINKING ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING TO PREPARE THE
WHAT ARE WE DOING TO PREPARE THE WORKFORCE FOR THE JOBS OF THE
WORKFORCE FOR THE JOBS OF THE 21st CENTURY?
21st CENTURY? WHAT ARE WE THINKING ABOUT IN
WHAT ARE WE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF RECOGNIZING THAT SOME
TERMS OF RECOGNIZING THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL APPLAUD CHINA FOR
PEOPLE WILL APPLAUD CHINA FOR ITS EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS
ITS EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS AND MAYBE EVEN POINT TO IT AS
AND MAYBE EVEN POINT TO IT AS THE NEW MODEL OF ECONOMIC POWER,
THE NEW MODEL OF ECONOMIC POWER, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE ALL PRIDED OURSELVES ON AS A
ALL PRIDED OURSELVES ON AS A SOURCE OF OUR STRENGTH IS WE
SOURCE OF OUR STRENGTH IS WE HAVE BEEN AN ECONOMIC POWER THAT
HAVE BEEN AN ECONOMIC POWER THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT CANNON SHOULD
UNDERSTANDS THAT CANNON SHOULD CO EXIST WITH AN EQUAL
CO EXIST WITH AN EQUAL COMMITMENT TO HUMAN RIGHTS AND
COMMITMENT TO HUMAN RIGHTS AND EQUALITY AND FREEDOMS.
EQUALITY AND FREEDOMS. THESE ARE THE ISSUES BEING
THESE ARE THE ISSUES BEING PRESENTED TO OUR COUNTRY TODAY.
PRESENTED TO OUR COUNTRY TODAY. AND THOSE ARE THE ISSUES I THINK
AND THOSE ARE THE ISSUES I THINK ABOUT.
ABOUT. AND READ THE BOOK BECAUSE --
AND READ THE BOOK BECAUSE -- >> WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO GET
>> WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO GET TO THAT BECAUSE THAT’S REALLY
TO THAT BECAUSE THAT’S REALLY WHY YOU’RE HERE.
WHY YOU’RE HERE. I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS
I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS LAST QUESTION AND THEN WE’RE
LAST QUESTION AND THEN WE’RE GOING TO GET TO THE BOOK.
GOING TO GET TO THE BOOK. FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN
FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS FOR FAR TOO LONG
FOLLOWING THIS FOR FAR TOO LONG AND THEN CONNECTED TO WASHINGTON
AND THEN CONNECTED TO WASHINGTON FOR FAR TOO LONG, WE SAW THE
FOR FAR TOO LONG, WE SAW THE 42nd PRESIDENT IMPEACHED, WE SAW
42nd PRESIDENT IMPEACHED, WE SAW THE 43rd PRESIDENT COME IN AND
THE 43rd PRESIDENT COME IN AND HE CAMPAIGNED AS A UNITER, NOT A
HE CAMPAIGNED AS A UNITER, NOT A DIVIDER.
DIVIDER. IN FACT, YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN
IN FACT, YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN TEXAS, GEORGE W. BUSH WORKED
TEXAS, GEORGE W. BUSH WORKED VERY WELL WITH DEMOCRATS IN
VERY WELL WITH DEMOCRATS IN TEXAS.
TEXAS. BARACK OBAMA, THE 44th PRESIDENT
BARACK OBAMA, THE 44th PRESIDENT HAD THAT REMARKABLE SPEECH IN
HAD THAT REMARKABLE SPEECH IN BOSTON WHEN HE SAID I DON’T SEE
BOSTON WHEN HE SAID I DON’T SEE A RED AMERICA, I DON’T SEE A
A RED AMERICA, I DON’T SEE A BLUE AMERICA, I SEE ONE AMERICA.
BLUE AMERICA, I SEE ONE AMERICA. AND THEN OF COURSE ANOTHER EIGHT
AND THEN OF COURSE ANOTHER EIGHT YEARS OF DIVISIVE PRESIDENCY,
YEARS OF DIVISIVE PRESIDENCY, NOT BLAMING BUSH OR OBAMA, I’M
NOT BLAMING BUSH OR OBAMA, I’M JUST SAYING THEY COULDN’T FIGURE
JUST SAYING THEY COULDN’T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CRACK THAT CODE.
OUT A WAY TO CRACK THAT CODE. OF COURSE NOW WE HAVE DONALD
OF COURSE NOW WE HAVE DONALD TRUMP.
TRUMP. IF YOU RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND YOU
IF YOU RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND YOU WERE THE 46th PRESIDENT, HOW DO
WERE THE 46th PRESIDENT, HOW DO YOU BRING THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER?
YOU BRING THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER? SO PEOPLE IN TUSCALOOSA, ALABAMA
SO PEOPLE IN TUSCALOOSA, ALABAMA AND TOPEKA, KANSAS THINK THAT
AND TOPEKA, KANSAS THINK THAT YOU ARE THEIR PRESIDENT EVERY
YOU ARE THEIR PRESIDENT EVERY BIT AS MUCH AS SOMEBODY ON THE
BIT AS MUCH AS SOMEBODY ON THE UPPER WEST SIDE OF MANHATTAN OR
UPPER WEST SIDE OF MANHATTAN OR IN SAN FRANCISCO?
IN SAN FRANCISCO? >> IT HAS TO BE BECAUSE ONE
>> IT HAS TO BE BECAUSE ONE KNOWS IN THEIR CORE, IN THEIR
KNOWS IN THEIR CORE, IN THEIR BEING, IN THEIR SOUL AND IN
BEING, IN THEIR SOUL AND IN THEIR HEART THAT THE VAST
THEIR HEART THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF US AS AMERICANS HAVE
MAJORITY OF US AS AMERICANS HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN WHAT
SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN WHAT SEPARATES US.
SEPARATES US. YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT. THERE’S AN INFERENCE THAT IN A
THERE’S AN INFERENCE THAT IN A PLACE WHERE THERE IS DIVERSITY
PLACE WHERE THERE IS DIVERSITY AND DIVERSE POPULATIONS, THERE
AND DIVERSE POPULATIONS, THERE IS SOME SUGGESTION THAT WHERE
IS SOME SUGGESTION THAT WHERE THERE IS DIVERSITY WE CANNOT
THERE IS DIVERSITY WE CANNOT ACHIEVE UNITY.
ACHIEVE UNITY. .
. THINK OF IT ALMOST AS A
THINK OF IT ALMOST AS A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA.
MATHEMATICAL FORMULA. I WOULD PROPOSE A DIFFERENT
I WOULD PROPOSE A DIFFERENT FORMULA, DIVERSITY PLUS X EQUALS
FORMULA, DIVERSITY PLUS X EQUALS EQUALS -- NOT TO MENTION WHAT WE
EQUALS -- NOT TO MENTION WHAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT CLASS DIVERSEITYD
CAN TALK ABOUT CLASS DIVERSEITYD IT IS A MISTAKE TO SUGGEST THAT
IT IS A MISTAKE TO SUGGEST THAT IN THAT DIVERSITY WE DON’T HAVE
IN THAT DIVERSITY WE DON’T HAVE INCREDIBLE COMMON PRIORITIES AND
INCREDIBLE COMMON PRIORITIES AND VALUES.
VALUES. AND HERE’S HOW I THINK ABOUT IT
AND HERE’S HOW I THINK ABOUT IT AS AN EXAMPLE.
AS AN EXAMPLE. WHEN PEOPLE WAKE UP AT 3:00 IN
WHEN PEOPLE WAKE UP AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING, OR YOU CAN CALL IT
THE MORNING, OR YOU CAN CALL IT THE WITCHING HOUR IN THE MIDDLE
THE WITCHING HOUR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WITH THE THING
OF THE NIGHT WITH THE THING THAT’S BEEN WEIGHING ON THEM
THAT’S BEEN WEIGHING ON THEM WHEN THEY WAKE UP WITH A COLD
WHEN THEY WAKE UP WITH A COLD SWEAT, WHEN THE VAST MAJORITY
SWEAT, WHEN THE VAST MAJORITY WAKE UP WITH THAT THOUGHT, IT IS
WAKE UP WITH THAT THOUGHT, IT IS NEVER THROUGH THE LENS OF OUR
NEVER THROUGH THE LENS OF OUR PARTY, AND WHEN WE WAKE UP
PARTY, AND WHEN WE WAKE UP THINKING THAT THOUGHT, IT HAS TO
THINKING THAT THOUGHT, IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR PERSONAL HEALTH, THE
DO WITH OUR PERSONAL HEALTH, THE HEALTH OF OUR CHILDREN OR
HEALTH OF OUR CHILDREN OR PARENTS, FOR SO MANY AMERICANS
PARENTS, FOR SO MANY AMERICANS CAN I GET A JOB, KEEP A JOB, PAY
CAN I GET A JOB, KEEP A JOB, PAY THE BILLS BY THE END OF THE
THE BILLS BY THE END OF THE MONTH.
MONTH. THE VAST MAJORITY HAVE SO MUCH
THE VAST MAJORITY HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN SEPARATE US.
MORE IN COMMON THAN SEPARATE US. WE HAVE TO REJECT THE VOICES
WE HAVE TO REJECT THE VOICES TRYING TO SOW HATE AND DIVISION
TRYING TO SOW HATE AND DIVISION AMONG US AND I THINK WE HAVE TO
AMONG US AND I THINK WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH OF WHO WE
RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH OF WHO WE ARE AND TO SPEAK TO THAT TRUTH.
ARE AND TO SPEAK TO THAT TRUTH. >> THAT’S A PERFECT SEG WAY TO
>> THAT’S A PERFECT SEG WAY TO YOUR BOOK "THE TRUTHS WE HOLD."
YOUR BOOK "THE TRUTHS WE HOLD." >> THANK GOD WE’RE FINALLY
>> THANK GOD WE’RE FINALLY TALKING ABOUT THE BOOK.
TALKING ABOUT THE BOOK. WILLIE, THIS IS OUR TIME.
WILLIE, THIS IS OUR TIME. >> ESPECIALLY AT A TIME WHEN THE
>> ESPECIALLY AT A TIME WHEN THE TRUTH IS BEING PUT IN QUESTION
TRUTH IS BEING PUT IN QUESTION EVERY DAY BY THE PRESIDENT OF
EVERY DAY BY THE PRESIDENT OF THEINS.
THEINS. MUCH OF THE BOOK IS FRAMED
MUCH OF THE BOOK IS FRAMED AROUND YOUR MOTHER AND YOUR
AROUND YOUR MOTHER AND YOUR STORY.
STORY. >> YES.
>> YES. >> HOW MUCH OF YOUR STORY
>> HOW MUCH OF YOUR STORY PREPARES YOU FOR PUBLIC SERVICE,
PREPARES YOU FOR PUBLIC SERVICE, DO YOU THINK?
DO YOU THINK? ESPECIALLY PERHAPS EVEN THE
ESPECIALLY PERHAPS EVEN THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF IT?
HIGHEST LEVEL OF IT? >> THANK YOU, MIKA.
>> THANK YOU, MIKA. AND YOU I THINK MOST OF US
AND YOU I THINK MOST OF US APPRECIATE THE IMPACT THAT OUR
APPRECIATE THE IMPACT THAT OUR PARENTS HAVE HAD ON OUR LIVES.
PARENTS HAVE HAD ON OUR LIVES. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> AND IN PARTICULAR MY MOTHER,
>> AND IN PARTICULAR MY MOTHER, YOU SEE A PICTURE OF MY PARENTS
YOU SEE A PICTURE OF MY PARENTS WHEN THEY WERE MARRIED.
WHEN THEY WERE MARRIED. MY MOTHER HAD A VERY PROFOUND
MY MOTHER HAD A VERY PROFOUND IMPACT ON WHO I AM.
IMPACT ON WHO I AM. SHE WAS ALL OF FIVE FEET TALL
SHE WAS ALL OF FIVE FEET TALL BUT WOULD YOU HAVE THOUGHT SHE
BUT WOULD YOU HAVE THOUGHT SHE WAS SEVEN FEET TALL.
WAS SEVEN FEET TALL. HER WHOLE GOAL IN LIFE, SHE WAS
HER WHOLE GOAL IN LIFE, SHE WAS A BREAST CANCER RESEARCHER, WAS
A BREAST CANCER RESEARCHER, WAS TO RAISE HER TWO DAUGHTERS AND
TO RAISE HER TWO DAUGHTERS AND END BREAST CANCER.
END BREAST CANCER. AND I WAS RAISED IN A COMMUNITY
AND I WAS RAISED IN A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED AND BELIEVED
OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED AND BELIEVED AND TAUGHT US THAT YOUR LIFE HAS
AND TAUGHT US THAT YOUR LIFE HAS TO BE ON ONE LEVEL OR ANOTHER IN
TO BE ON ONE LEVEL OR ANOTHER IN SERVICE OF OTHERS.
SERVICE OF OTHERS. AND THE CRITICAL POINT ABOUT HOW
AND THE CRITICAL POINT ABOUT HOW I WAS RAISED IS THAT TO BE CLEAR
I WAS RAISED IS THAT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT A
THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT A CHARITABLE PURSUIT.
CHARITABLE PURSUIT. YOU DON’T DO IT JUST BECAUSE OH,
YOU DON’T DO IT JUST BECAUSE OH, I HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA TO GIVE,
I HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA TO GIVE, I’M GOING TO JUST DOLE IT OUT
I’M GOING TO JUST DOLE IT OUT AND AREN’T I LOVELY AND
AND AREN’T I LOVELY AND WONDERFUL BECAUSE I’M SO
WONDERFUL BECAUSE I’M SO BENEVOLENT AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT
BENEVOLENT AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT WHAT I HAVE TO GIVE.
WHAT I HAVE TO GIVE. I WAS RAISED THAT IT WAS A
I WAS RAISED THAT IT WAS A DUTY --
DUTY -- >> DAUGHTER OF IMMIGRANTS.
>> DAUGHTER OF IMMIGRANTS. >> YES.
>> YES. AND THAT IN MANY WAYS FORMED MY
AND THAT IN MANY WAYS FORMED MY LIFE.
LIFE. I CHOSE WITH THAT CALLING OR
I CHOSE WITH THAT CALLING OR THAT SPIRIT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL.
THAT SPIRIT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL. I WANTED TO BE A LAWYER.
I WANTED TO BE A LAWYER. MY HEROS GROWING UP WITH
MY HEROS GROWING UP WITH THURGOOD MARSHAL AND ALL THOSE
THURGOOD MARSHAL AND ALL THOSE FOLKS AND THEN I DECIDED TO
FOLKS AND THEN I DECIDED TO BECOME A PROSECUTOR BECAUSE I
BECOME A PROSECUTOR BECAUSE I BELIEVED THERE WERE VULNERABLE
BELIEVED THERE WERE VULNERABLE AND VOICELESS PEOPLE WHO
AND VOICELESS PEOPLE WHO DESERVED TO HAVE A VOICE WITHIN
DESERVED TO HAVE A VOICE WITHIN THAT SYSTEM AND I HOPED TO DO
THAT SYSTEM AND I HOPED TO DO WHAT I COULD IN TERMS OF
WHAT I COULD IN TERMS OF REFORMING THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORMING THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
SYSTEM. >> HEILEMANN.
>> HEILEMANN. >> I’M GOING TO ASK YOU A
>> I’M GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION THAT’S NOT DIRECTLY
QUESTION THAT’S NOT DIRECTLY ABOUT THE BOOK BUT --
ABOUT THE BOOK BUT -- >> DID YOU READ THE BOOK, JOHN?
>> DID YOU READ THE BOOK, JOHN? >> I SPED READ THROUGH THIS
>> I SPED READ THROUGH THIS THING --
THING -- >> INDEX.
>> INDEX. >> NO.
>> NO. >> THERE IS AN INDEX.
>> THERE IS AN INDEX. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE IF YOUR
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE IF YOUR NAME’S NOT IN IT, PEOPLE WON’T
NAME’S NOT IN IT, PEOPLE WON’T READ IT.
READ IT. >> I LOOKED TO SEE IF BARNICLE’S
>> I LOOKED TO SEE IF BARNICLE’S NAME IS MENTIONED.
NAME IS MENTIONED. HE’S MENTIONED LIKE 37 TIMES IN
HE’S MENTIONED LIKE 37 TIMES IN THE BOOK SO IT’S WORTH READING.
THE BOOK SO IT’S WORTH READING. THE WOMAN WHO WROTE THIS BOOK
THE WOMAN WHO WROTE THIS BOOK SITS ON THE SENATE JUDICIARY
SITS ON THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND NEXT WEEK WILL
COMMITTEE AND NEXT WEEK WILL BEGIN THE PROCESS OF CONFIRMING
BEGIN THE PROCESS OF CONFIRMING A NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHO HAS
A NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHO HAS WRITTEN SOME THINGS AS A PRIVATE
WRITTEN SOME THINGS AS A PRIVATE CITIZENS, EXPRESSING A LOT OF
CITIZENS, EXPRESSING A LOT OF CRITICISM AND DOUBT OF THE
CRITICISM AND DOUBT OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, SOMEONE WHO HAS
SPECIAL COUNSEL, SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT BEEN MEETING WITH A LOT OF
NOT BEEN MEETING WITH A LOT OF YOUR DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES.
YOUR DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES. I DON’T KNOW IF YOU’VE MET WITH
I DON’T KNOW IF YOU’VE MET WITH HIM OR NOT YET.
HIM OR NOT YET. >> I HAVE NOT.
>> I HAVE NOT. >> TELL ME WHAT YOUR ATTITUDE
>> TELL ME WHAT YOUR ATTITUDE IS.
IS. WHAT ARE THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS
WHAT ARE THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ASK HIM AND WHAT DO
YOU WANT TO ASK HIM AND WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR RECOMMENDATION,
YOU THINK YOUR RECOMMENDATION, YOUR VOTE FOR HIS CONFIRMATION
YOUR VOTE FOR HIS CONFIRMATION OR NOT, WHAT ARE THE THINGS ON
OR NOT, WHAT ARE THE THINGS ON WHICH THAT WILL TURN?
WHICH THAT WILL TURN? >> ONE, TO YOUR POINT OF THE
>> ONE, TO YOUR POINT OF THE QUESTION AND ALL THAT WE KNOW
QUESTION AND ALL THAT WE KNOW JUST AS A PUBLIC MATTER, I AM
JUST AS A PUBLIC MATTER, I AM INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT HE
INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT HE BELIEVES WERE THE INCENTIVES FOR
BELIEVES WERE THE INCENTIVES FOR HIS NOMINATION TO BE THE NEXT
HIS NOMINATION TO BE THE NEXT ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED
ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES.
STATES. DID HE BELIEVE THAT IT WAS
DID HE BELIEVE THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO WRITE
IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO WRITE LETTERS ABOUT SPECIAL COUNSEL.
LETTERS ABOUT SPECIAL COUNSEL. IF THAT’S THE CASE, THAT’S
IF THAT’S THE CASE, THAT’S TROUBLING AND I WORRY ABOUT THAT
TROUBLING AND I WORRY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE AS A FORMER ATTORNEY
BECAUSE AS A FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF
GENERAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND AS, AGAIN,
CALIFORNIA AND AS, AGAIN, SOMEONE WHO HAS FOCUSED ON THESE
SOMEONE WHO HAS FOCUSED ON THESE ISSUES FOR MOST OF MY CAREER, I
ISSUES FOR MOST OF MY CAREER, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE MOTIVATION
WOULD HOPE THAT THE MOTIVATION WOULD BE TO DO THE WORK OF
WOULD BE TO DO THE WORK OF JUSTICE, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT
JUSTICE, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR ME
WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR ME SITTING ON THE SENATE JUDICIARY
SITTING ON THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT HE
COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT HE IS MOTIVATED BY THE RIGHT AND
IS MOTIVATED BY THE RIGHT AND APPROPRIATE INTERESTS TO LEAD
APPROPRIATE INTERESTS TO LEAD THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF
THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
JUSTICE. SO THOSE ARE PART OF MY
SO THOSE ARE PART OF MY CONCERNS.
CONCERNS. I’M ALSO GOING TO BE CURIOUS,
I’M ALSO GOING TO BE CURIOUS, FRANKLY, ABOUT HIS POSITION ON
FRANKLY, ABOUT HIS POSITION ON WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS
HAS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION.
UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION. AND BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY
AND BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY BIG THINGS AND BIG, YOU KNOW,
BIG THINGS AND BIG, YOU KNOW, STORIES THAT POP EVERY DAY, I
STORIES THAT POP EVERY DAY, I THINK WE’VE LOST SIGHT OF WHAT
THINK WE’VE LOST SIGHT OF WHAT QUIETLY IS HAPPENING IN THIS
QUIETLY IS HAPPENING IN THIS ADMINISTRATION AND SO MANY OF
ADMINISTRATION AND SO MANY OF ITS AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE
ITS AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. >> DO YOU THINK THAT IF HE GETS
>> DO YOU THINK THAT IF HE GETS CONFIRMED, WHICH HE’S LIKELY TO,
CONFIRMED, WHICH HE’S LIKELY TO, DO YOU THINK THERE’S A CASE ON
DO YOU THINK THERE’S A CASE ON THE BASIS OF WHAT WE KNOW
THE BASIS OF WHAT WE KNOW ALREADY FOR HIM TO HAVE TO
ALREADY FOR HIM TO HAVE TO RECUSE HIMSELF FROM MANAGING THE
RECUSE HIMSELF FROM MANAGING THE MUELLER CASE?
MUELLER CASE? >> I THINK THERE’S A GOOD
>> I THINK THERE’S A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR HIM TO RECUSE
ARGUMENT FOR HIM TO RECUSE HIMSELF, YES.
HIMSELF, YES. >> I SEE YOU HOLDING YOUR BOOK.
>> I SEE YOU HOLDING YOUR BOOK. WE’LL PULL IT UP AGAIN.
WE’LL PULL IT UP AGAIN. >> WAIT, THE CHILDREN’S BOOK,
>> WAIT, THE CHILDREN’S BOOK, HAVE I TO HOLD THAT UP, TOO.
HAVE I TO HOLD THAT UP, TOO. >> JUST GO ON.
>> JUST GO ON. WHAT’S THE NEXT QUESTION?
WHAT’S THE NEXT QUESTION? >> COLBERT GOT YOU TO MIGHT RUN
>> COLBERT GOT YOU TO MIGHT RUN LAST NIGHT.
LAST NIGHT. HE GOT YOU THERE.
HE GOT YOU THERE. WE CAN SPEAK HYPOTHETICALLY, IF
WE CAN SPEAK HYPOTHETICALLY, IF YOU’D LIKE.
YOU’D LIKE. IF YOU WERE TO RUN FOR
IF YOU WERE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR
PRESIDENT, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR POSTURE TOWARD PRESIDENT TRUMP?
POSTURE TOWARD PRESIDENT TRUMP? NO ONE QUESTIONS THAT YOU COULD
NO ONE QUESTIONS THAT YOU COULD HANDLE HIM.
HANDLE HIM. WE’VE WATCHED YOUR CAREER, WE’VE
WE’VE WATCHED YOUR CAREER, WE’VE WATCHED YOU QUESTION JAMES COMEY
WATCHED YOU QUESTION JAMES COMEY AND JEFF SESSIONS AND ROD
AND JEFF SESSIONS AND ROD ROSENSTEIN IN VERY PUBLIC
ROSENSTEIN IN VERY PUBLIC SETTINGS, BUT THIS NEW CLASS OF
SETTINGS, BUT THIS NEW CLASS OF DEMOCRATS WHO COME IN HAVE GONE
DEMOCRATS WHO COME IN HAVE GONE WITH A FULL FRONTAL POSTURE, THE
WITH A FULL FRONTAL POSTURE, THE LANGUAGE WE’VE HEARD FROM
LANGUAGE WE’VE HEARD FROM CERTAIN MEMBERS AS WELL --
CERTAIN MEMBERS AS WELL -- >> AND LET’S NOT FORGET THE
>> AND LET’S NOT FORGET THE LANGUAGE WE’VE HEARD FROM
LANGUAGE WE’VE HEARD FROM LONGSTANDING MEMBERS IN THE LAST
LONGSTANDING MEMBERS IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.
24 HOURS. >>WITHOUT QUESTION.
>>WITHOUT QUESTION. I’M THINKING BACK TO THE 2016
I’M THINKING BACK TO THE 2016 CAMPAIGN, MARCO RUBIO TRIED TO
CAMPAIGN, MARCO RUBIO TRIED TO PLAY DONALD TRUMP’S GAME AND USE
PLAY DONALD TRUMP’S GAME AND USE INSULTS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS
INSULTS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS AND IT DIDN’T WORK.
AND IT DIDN’T WORK. WHAT WOULD BE YOUR POSTURE
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR POSTURE TOWARD PRESIDENT TRUMP?
TOWARD PRESIDENT TRUMP? POLICY IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
POLICY IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION. HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE HIM?
HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE HIM? WOULD YOU FIGHT HIM
WOULD YOU FIGHT HIM RHETORICALLY?
RHETORICALLY? WOULD YOU USE THE KIND OF
WOULD YOU USE THE KIND OF LANGUAGE YOU’VE HEARD IN THE
LANGUAGE YOU’VE HEARD IN THE LAST FEW DAYS.
LAST FEW DAYS. >> CANDIDLY, MY FOCUS WOULD BE
>> CANDIDLY, MY FOCUS WOULD BE IF I WERE GOING TO RUN, IT WOULD
IF I WERE GOING TO RUN, IT WOULD NOT BE DONALD TRUMP.
NOT BE DONALD TRUMP. IT WOULD BE THE VOTERS AND THE
IT WOULD BE THE VOTERS AND THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY.
PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY. THEY DESERVE, I BELIEVE, IT HEAR
THEY DESERVE, I BELIEVE, IT HEAR FROM ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE A
FROM ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE A LEADER.
LEADER. THEY DESERVE TO HEAR FROM ANY
THEY DESERVE TO HEAR FROM ANY ONE OF US WHO PUTS OURSELVES OUT
ONE OF US WHO PUTS OURSELVES OUT THERE HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE
THERE HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE RELEVANT TO THEIR LIVES.
RELEVANT TO THEIR LIVES. I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE THE
I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE THE FOCUS OF THE CONVERSATION.
FOCUS OF THE CONVERSATION. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WOULD
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WOULD INVARIABLY BRING UP WHAT THIS
INVARIABLY BRING UP WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE OR NOT
ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE OR NOT DONE, OF COURSE THAT IS
DONE, OF COURSE THAT IS RELEVANT.
RELEVANT. I BELIEVE THE MOTIVATION AND THE
I BELIEVE THE MOTIVATION AND THE FOCUS OF THE CONVERSATION SHOULD
FOCUS OF THE CONVERSATION SHOULD BE HOW ARE WE OR WHETHER WE ARE
BE HOW ARE WE OR WHETHER WE ARE RELEVANT IN THE LIVES OF PEOPLE
RELEVANT IN THE LIVES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING EVERY DAY WHO
WHO ARE LIVING EVERY DAY WHO EXPECT AND SHOULD TRUST THAT
EXPECT AND SHOULD TRUST THAT THEIR GOVERNMENT IS THINKING OF
THEIR GOVERNMENT IS THINKING OF THEM AND NOT OF OURSELVES.
THEM AND NOT OF OURSELVES. THAT WOULD BE MY MOTIVATION.
THAT WOULD BE MY MOTIVATION. >> SENATORS KAMALA HARRIS, THANK
>> SENATORS KAMALA HARRIS, THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THE SHOW.
YOU FOR BEING ON THE SHOW. THE TWO BOOKS ARE "THE TRUTH WE
THE TWO BOOKS ARE "THE TRUTH WE HOLD" AND THE CHILDREN’S BOOK
HOLD" AND THE CHILDREN’S BOOK "SUPERHEROS ARE EVERYWHERE."