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. >>> JOINING US NOW HERE ONSET IS
>>> JOINING US NOW HERE ONSET IS JOHN KILDOFF AND A CNBC
JOHN KILDOFF AND A CNBC CONTRIBUTOR THAT SPECIALIZES IN
CONTRIBUTOR THAT SPECIALIZES IN ENERGY TRADING.
ENERGY TRADING. HE’S A GUY THAT EXPLAINS WHAT
HE’S A GUY THAT EXPLAINS WHAT HAPPENS TO OIL IN THE MARKET AND
HAPPENS TO OIL IN THE MARKET AND BOY, ARE YOU THE GUY I WANT TO
BOY, ARE YOU THE GUY I WANT TO TALK TO TODAY.
TALK TO TODAY. WE SEEN THE MARKETS GET BATTERED
WE SEEN THE MARKETS GET BATTERED OVER THIS CORONAVIRUS AND TODAY
OVER THIS CORONAVIRUS AND TODAY SOMETHING HAPPENS WHERE THE
SOMETHING HAPPENS WHERE THE PRICE OF OIL GOES THROUGH THE
PRICE OF OIL GOES THROUGH THE FLOOR AND HAS DRIVEN THE EVEN
FLOOR AND HAS DRIVEN THE EVEN BLOODIER DAY ON WALL STREET
BLOODIER DAY ON WALL STREET TODAY.
TODAY. IS IT A COINCIDENCE THIS
IS IT A COINCIDENCE THIS HAPPENED ALONGSIDE THE
HAPPENED ALONGSIDE THE CORONAVIRUS THING OR ARE THEY
CORONAVIRUS THING OR ARE THEY RELATED?
RELATED? >> I THINK THE CORONAVIRUS WAS
>> I THINK THE CORONAVIRUS WAS THE PREDICATE TO THIS BREAKDOWN
THE PREDICATE TO THIS BREAKDOWN BETWEEN SAUDI ARABIA AND RUSSIAN
BETWEEN SAUDI ARABIA AND RUSSIAN RELATIONSHIP REGARDING MANAGING
RELATIONSHIP REGARDING MANAGING OR TRYING TO MANAGE THE OIL
OR TRYING TO MANAGE THE OIL MARKET.
MARKET. AND THE RUSSIANS IN PARTICULAR I
AND THE RUSSIANS IN PARTICULAR I THINK HAVE SEEN THE U.S. SHALE
THINK HAVE SEEN THE U.S. SHALE AND OTHER PRODUCERS NIPPING AT
AND OTHER PRODUCERS NIPPING AT THEIR HEELS IN TERMS OF MARKET
THEIR HEELS IN TERMS OF MARKET SHARE, PARTICULARLY CHINA.
SHARE, PARTICULARLY CHINA. AS THE RUSSIANS AND THE SAUDIS
AS THE RUSSIANS AND THE SAUDIS WERE MEETING LAST WEEK TO
WERE MEETING LAST WEEK TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH OIL
DETERMINE HOW MUCH OIL PRODUCTION THEY SHOULD CUT BACK,
PRODUCTION THEY SHOULD CUT BACK, THE U.S. POSTED YET ANOTHER
THE U.S. POSTED YET ANOTHER RECORD WEEK OF OIL PRODUCTION
RECORD WEEK OF OIL PRODUCTION AND RACHEL, ANOTHER BLOCKBUSTER,
AND RACHEL, ANOTHER BLOCKBUSTER, NOT ANOTHER BUT A BLOCKBUSTER
NOT ANOTHER BUT A BLOCKBUSTER WEEK OF CRUDE OIL EXPORTS AND
WEEK OF CRUDE OIL EXPORTS AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST FACTORS IN
ONE OF THE BIGGEST FACTORS IN THAT NUMBER WAS A CARGO OF CRUDE
THAT NUMBER WAS A CARGO OF CRUDE OIL FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO THAT
OIL FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO THAT ISN’T THE SHALE LIGHT SWEET
ISN’T THE SHALE LIGHT SWEET STUFF YOU HEAR ABOUT BUT HEAVIER
STUFF YOU HEAR ABOUT BUT HEAVIER SOUR STUFF THAT COMPETES
SOUR STUFF THAT COMPETES DIRECTLY HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH THE
DIRECTLY HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH THE KIND OF CRUDE RUSSIA SELLS TO
KIND OF CRUDE RUSSIA SELLS TO THEIR MAIN CUSTOMER CHINA.
THEIR MAIN CUSTOMER CHINA. SO RUSSIA SAID WE’VE HAD IT AND
SO RUSSIA SAID WE’VE HAD IT AND THEY TOLD THE SAUDIS AS MUCH AND
THEY TOLD THE SAUDIS AS MUCH AND THE SAUDIS THREW A HISSY FIT AND
THE SAUDIS THREW A HISSY FIT AND WENT NUCLEAR OVER THE WEEKEND.
WENT NUCLEAR OVER THE WEEKEND. THEY SAID THEY WILL BUMP UP
THEY SAID THEY WILL BUMP UP THEIR PRODUCTION NEXT MONTH OVER
THEIR PRODUCTION NEXT MONTH OVER 10 MILLION BARRELS A DAY.
10 MILLION BARRELS A DAY. REMEMBER THE BLUE LIGHT AT
REMEMBER THE BLUE LIGHT AT WALMART?
WALMART? THEY CUT THEIR SELLING PRICE TO
THEY CUT THEIR SELLING PRICE TO THE REGIONS IN THE WORLD BY OVER
THE REGIONS IN THE WORLD BY OVER $10 A BARREL, WHICH WAS JUST A
$10 A BARREL, WHICH WAS JUST A FEAT THAT NONE OF US IN THE
FEAT THAT NONE OF US IN THE MARKET HAD EVER SEEN BEFORE.
MARKET HAD EVER SEEN BEFORE. >> THE IDEA IS TO MAKE OIL SO
>> THE IDEA IS TO MAKE OIL SO CHEAP THAT RUSSIA CAN’T MAKE ANY
CHEAP THAT RUSSIA CAN’T MAKE ANY MONEY DOING IT SO THAT RUSSIA
MONEY DOING IT SO THAT RUSSIA BREAKS RUSSIA’S WILL AND RUSSIA
BREAKS RUSSIA’S WILL AND RUSSIA GETS IN LINE WITH OPEC THE WAY
GETS IN LINE WITH OPEC THE WAY THEY WANT TO DEAL WITH THE CRIMP
THEY WANT TO DEAL WITH THE CRIMP AND DEMAND AND WHAT THEY WANT TO
AND DEMAND AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH PRODUCTION TO ADDRESS
DO WITH PRODUCTION TO ADDRESS THAT?
THAT? >> THAT AND I ALSO HAVE TO SAY
>> THAT AND I ALSO HAVE TO SAY THE U.S. SHALE IS IN THE CROSS
THE U.S. SHALE IS IN THE CROSS HAIRS WITH THAT MOVE, TOO,
HAIRS WITH THAT MOVE, TOO, BECAUSE NOBODY CAN COME EVEN
BECAUSE NOBODY CAN COME EVEN CLOSE TO COMPETING WITH SAUDI
CLOSE TO COMPETING WITH SAUDI ARABIA IN TERMS OF THEIR COST OF
ARABIA IN TERMS OF THEIR COST OF PRODUCTION.
PRODUCTION. IT’S IN THE SINGLE DIGITS.
IT’S IN THE SINGLE DIGITS. DOWN IN TEXAS WHERE THIS WHOLE
DOWN IN TEXAS WHERE THIS WHOLE BOOM HAS BEEN SPRUNG UP OVER THE
BOOM HAS BEEN SPRUNG UP OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS, THEY
PAST NUMBER OF YEARS, THEY REALLY HAVE TO HAVE $50 A
REALLY HAVE TO HAVE $50 A BARREL, MAYBE SOME AS LOW AS
BARREL, MAYBE SOME AS LOW AS 40 --
40 -- >> I WENT BELOW $30 TODAY.
>> I WENT BELOW $30 TODAY. >> IT WENT BELOW 30 FOR A TIME
>> IT WENT BELOW 30 FOR A TIME OVERNIGHT.
OVERNIGHT. THEY GOT AS LOW AS $27 A BARREL
THEY GOT AS LOW AS $27 A BARREL AT ONE POINT.
AT ONE POINT. >> AS THIS PRICE GOES DOWN AND
>> AS THIS PRICE GOES DOWN AND THIS SAUDI ENGINEERS THE PRICE
THIS SAUDI ENGINEERS THE PRICE TO COME DOWN, ARE THEY TRYING TO
TO COME DOWN, ARE THEY TRYING TO FORCE BANKRUPTCIES IN THE U.S.
FORCE BANKRUPTCIES IN THE U.S. FORCE -- YOU CAN’T FORCE THE
FORCE -- YOU CAN’T FORCE THE RUSSIAN OIL INDUSTRY TO GO
RUSSIAN OIL INDUSTRY TO GO BANKRUPT BECAUSE IT’S THE
BANKRUPT BECAUSE IT’S THE RUSSIAN STATE.
RUSSIAN STATE. ARE THEY TRYING TO FORCE THEM
ARE THEY TRYING TO FORCE THEM OUT OF THE MARKET OR CHANGE
OUT OF THE MARKET OR CHANGE RUSSIA’S BEHAVIOR OR BOTH?
RUSSIA’S BEHAVIOR OR BOTH? >> THEY ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO
>> THEY ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET RUSSIA BACK IN THE FOLD BUT
GET RUSSIA BACK IN THE FOLD BUT BUT SOMEWHAT HAPPY TO DO DAMAGE
BUT SOMEWHAT HAPPY TO DO DAMAGE TO THE HIGHER COST U.S. SHALE
TO THE HIGHER COST U.S. SHALE PRODUCERS AND RING OUT EXCESS
PRODUCERS AND RING OUT EXCESS CAPACITY.
CAPACITY. FOR YEARS NOW SAUDI ARABIA HAS
FOR YEARS NOW SAUDI ARABIA HAS BEEN CARRYING THE LOAD IN TERMS
BEEN CARRYING THE LOAD IN TERMS OF TRYING TO BALANCE THE OIL
OF TRYING TO BALANCE THE OIL MARKET AND KEEP PRICES AT A
MARKET AND KEEP PRICES AT A DESCENT ENOUGH LEVEL FOR ALL OF
DESCENT ENOUGH LEVEL FOR ALL OF THEM TO SORT OF BE HAPPY AND
THEM TO SORT OF BE HAPPY AND KEEP THE HOME FIRES BURNING AND
KEEP THE HOME FIRES BURNING AND MEET THEIR OR COME CLOSE TO
MEET THEIR OR COME CLOSE TO MEETING OR CALL THEIR FISCAL
MEETING OR CALL THEIR FISCAL BUDGETS, THEIR FISCAL BREAK
BUDGETS, THEIR FISCAL BREAK EVENS FOR CRUDE OIL, NOT THE
EVENS FOR CRUDE OIL, NOT THE COST OR PRODUCTION BUT THE MONEY
COST OR PRODUCTION BUT THE MONEY THEY NEED TO SUPPORT OIL OR
THEY NEED TO SUPPORT OIL OR GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS AND KEEP
GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS AND KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY.
EVERYBODY HAPPY. >> THIS IS A TIME IF SAUDI WAS
>> THIS IS A TIME IF SAUDI WAS EVER GOING TO DO THIS, THIS IS A
EVER GOING TO DO THIS, THIS IS A TIME THE WORLD IS OVER A BARREL.
TIME THE WORLD IS OVER A BARREL. THEY COULD HAVE DONE THIS AT ANY
THEY COULD HAVE DONE THIS AT ANY TIME.
TIME. >> ANY TIME AT ALL.
>> ANY TIME AT ALL. THEY HAD THE MARKET SHARE AND
THEY HAD THE MARKET SHARE AND POWER.
POWER. THIS IS FOR STUDENTS OF HISTORY
THIS IS FOR STUDENTS OF HISTORY THAT WATCH YOUR SHOW, THIS IS
THAT WATCH YOUR SHOW, THIS IS RIGHT OUT OF ROCKEFELLER’S
RIGHT OUT OF ROCKEFELLER’S PLAYBOOK.
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