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THERE'S NOTHING BETTER THAN A
NEW YORK SLICE.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
WELCOME BACK TO "CBS THIS
MORNING."
I'M GAYLE KING WITH ANTHONY
MASON AND TONY DOKOUPIL.
IN AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW,
HARVEY WEINSTEIN'S ATTORNEY SAYS
SHE IS CONFIDENT HE'LL BE FOND
NOT GUILTY IN THE CHARGES
AGAINST HIM.
HIS TRIAL STARTS IN JANUARY.
NOW, MORE THAN 70 WOMEN HAVE
ACCUSED HIM OF WRONGDOING SINCE
AN EXPLOSIVE "NEW YORK TIMES"
INVESTIGATION TWO YEARS AGO THAT
INSPIRED THE ME TOO MOVE
MANAGEMENT.
WEINSTEIN DENIES ALL OF THE
ALLEGATIONS.
HIS ATTORNEY DONNA RATUNNO IS A
FORMER PROSECUTE OR, AND SHE'S
HANDLED DOZENS OF CASES
DEFENDING MEMBER ACCUSED OF
SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
I'VE HEARD YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT
A BELIEVER OR SUPPORTER OF THE
ME TOO MOVEMENT.
MORE OF A SUPPORTER.
I THINK IN MANY WAYS THERE ARE
GOOD THINGS ABOUT ME TOO, AND
I'VE SAID THIS.
BUT WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT ME TOO
IS IT ALLOWS THE COURT OF PUBLIC
OPINION TO TAKE OVER THE
NARRATIVE, AND WHEN YOU CAN'T
COME OUT AND EITHER CORRECT OR
CHALLENGE THAT NARRATIVE, IT
PUTS YOU IN A POSITION WHERE
YOU'RE STRIPPED OF YOUR RIGHTS.
CHICAGO ATTORNEY DONNA
RATUNNO HAS BUILT A REPUTATION
DEFENDING MEN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL
ASSAULT AND RAPE.
HER TRIAL WITH HARVEY WEINSTEIN
IS HER MOST HIGH-PROFILE CASE TO
DATE.
WHAT IS YOUR STRATEGY IN
DEFENDING HIM?
IT'S VALUING WHAT IT IS, AND
DETERMINING WHETHER THE
ALLEGATIONS ARE THINGS WE CAN
REFUTE.
IN THE CRIMINAL CASE THERE ARE
TWO CHARGED VICTIMS, AND IN BOTH
CASES, I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE
FACT THAT WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT
IS FAVORABLE TO US AND EVIDENCE
I THINK WILL EXONERATE HIM.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO
WOMEN, BUT AS YOU KNOW, DONNA,
THE STORY IS MUCH BIGGER THAN
THAT.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT NAIVE TO THAT.
CLEARLY WE'VE GOT 70 WOMEN,
NAMES YOU KNOW, ASHLEY JUDD,
SALMA HAYEK,
.
THESE ARE CERTAINLY SERIOUS
ALLEGATIONS.
HOW YOU DO RESPOND TO THAT, AND
DOES THAT MATTER TO YOU?
SURE, I THINK IT MATTERS.
IT MIGHT MATTER TO ME IN MY
ANALYSIS OF THE WHOLE
CIRCUMSTANCES BUT IF I LOOK AT
THE CRIMINAL CASE, FRANKLY,
THOSE ALLEGATIONS DON'T MATTER
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE CRIMINAL
CASE.
HOW DOES HARVEY EXPLAIN THOSE
ALLEGATIONS?
I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT
EXPLAINING THEM.
ANY TIME WE TALK ABOUT MEN AND
WOMEN AND SEXUAL CIRCUMSTANCES I
THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
FACT THERE'S ALWAYS AN AREA OF
GRAY.
SO THERE'S THESE BLURRED LINES
AND I THINK SOMETIMES ONE
SIDEWALKS AWAY FROM AN EVENT
FEELING DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER
AND HOW DO WE RECONCILE THAT.
IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR A WOMAN
WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN A
TRAUMATIC ENGAGE MANAGEMENT TO
STILL BE ENGAGED WITH THAT MAN.
THAT'S HER CHOICE.
BUT TO COME FORWARD -- WHO KNOWS
YEARS LATER IF YOUR MEMORY IS
EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS AT THE
TIME IT DID.
I GET FRUSTRATED WHEN I HEAR
THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS AND I
HEAR WOMEN SAY, I DIDN'T HAVE A
CHOICE.
WELL, NO.
YOU HAD A CHOICE AND YOU MADE A
CHOICE.
WE'RE FOCUSING ON YOUR TWO
CRIMINAL CASES, BUT YOU DO SEEM
TO MINIMALIZE ALL THE OTHER
CHARGES AND ALLEGATIONS ABOUT
HARVEY WEINSTEIN.
IT'S NOT MINIMIZING IT BUT
FOR MY PURPOSE IN THIS CASE,
IT'S NOT WHERE I HAVE TO BUT MY
TIME AND ATTENTION.
IT'S REALLY ABOUT MAKING SURE
THOSE ISSUES DON'T CLOUD OUR
ABILITY TO PICK A FAIR JURY.
Reporter: IN ADDITION TO
HARVEY WEINSTEIN'S TWO ACCUSERS,
AT LEAST THREE OTHER WOMEN ARE
EXPECTED TO TESTIFY AS SO-CALLED
PRIOR BAD ACT WITNESSES.
THEIR TESTIMONY WILL BE USED BY
PROSECUTORS TO DEMONSTRATE A
PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR.
IN THE BILL COSBY CASE, IT WAS
INVOLVING ONE WOMAN, BUT OTHER
WOMEN WHO MADE ALLEGATIONS WERE
ALLOWED TO TESTIFY.
THAT SEEMED TO MAKE A
DETERMINATION FOR THE JURY, FOR
SURE IN THE SECOND CASE.
IS THERE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT?
SURE, THERE'S ALWAYS A
CONCERN.
I THINK THE NEGS OF WHERE
THERE'S SMOKE, THERE'S FIRE IS
SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORRY
ABOUT.
THIS IS MORE THAN FIRE,
DONNA.
IT'S AN INFERNO WHEN IT COMES TO
HARVEY WEINSTEIN.
I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
CRIMINAL CASE, I I DON'T THINK
IT'S THE CASE.
I I'M NOT HERE TO SAY HE'S NOT
GL OF COMMITTING SINS.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
SINS AND CRIME.
I DO NOT BELIEVE HE'S A RAPIST.
YOU DO NOT THINK HE'S A
RAPIST.
DO YOU EVER THINK YOU'RE
MAYBING IT HARDER FOR WOMEN TO
COME FORWARD?
NO.
I'D LIKE TO THINK I'M MAKING IT
EASIER.
IF THEY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, THE
FRST THING THEY SHOULD DO IS
REPORT IT, GO TO THE POLICE, AND
I THINK THAT SORT OF WEEDING OUT
THE CASES THAT DON'T RISE TO THE
LEVEL OF REAL ASSAULTS SHOULD
HELP REAL VICTIMS.
SO, NO, I THINK I'M HELPING THEM
ACTUALLY.
DOESN'T A MAN HAVE TO TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTION,
TOO?
NO QUESTION.
AND THE CHOICES HE MAKES?
NO QUESTION.
AND I THINK NO MATTER WHAT
HAPPENS TO HARVEY, HE'LL PAY THE
BIGGEST PRICE.
EVEN SO, HIS LIFE IS RUINED,
TOPPED, DESTROYED BY OTHERS.
THE FACT IS IF WE CAN WALK OUT
OF THE COURTROOM WITH A NOT
GUILTY, HE NEVER GETS TO BE
HARVEY WEINSTEIN EVER AGAIN.
HARVEY WEINSTEIN DENIES THE
ACCUSATIONS AND FACE AS SENTENCE
OF UP TO LIFE IN PRISON IF
CONVICTED.
DONNA RAH TA'U NOE HAS BEEN VERY
INVOLVED IN THE PREPARATION OF
THIS CASE AND HAVE NOT YET
DECIDED WHETHER HE'S GOING TO
TAKE THE STAND.
THOUGH GLORIA ALLRED WHO
REPRESENTS ONE OF THE VICTIMS IS
IMPLORING HIM TO DO SO.
SHE WRITES THIS.
I CHALLENGE HARVEY WEINSTEIN TO
TALK THE STAND AND DENY UNDER
OATH THE ALLEGATIONS PROUT BY
THE PROSECUTION AGAINST HIM.
MS. RAH TA'U NOE WANTS TO
FOCUS ON THE SIN, NOT THE
SUBSTANCE OF THE CRIME.
I ASKED HER DO YOU HAVE A
JURY IN MIND.
SHE SAID, OF COURSE, BUT I DON'T
WANT TO TIP MY HAND.
ARTICLES WRITTEN ABOUT HER HAVE
DESCRIBED HER AS A BULLDOG IN
THE COURTROOM.
I ASKED HER IF THAT'S AN
ASSESSMENT.
SHE SAID, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.
ONE OF MY CLIENTS DID.