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  • This man's generosity has transformed the lives of millions throughout the world

  • and in Ireland. Yet very few people would recognize him or know what he has done.

  • Astonishing. I can't say I've ever encountered such an extraordinary

  • individual.

  • Complex.

  • He certainly always wanted to play fair

  • but he wanted to play tough.

  • Odd. A conversation with Chuck Feeney

  • is unlike any other conversation youll have with anyone on Earth.

  • Paradoxical. When the history comes to be written, it will be shown that Chuck Feeney did have a significant

  • impact on Ireland.

  • Inspiring.

  • He inspired us to think big.

  • Spiritual.

  • Chuck Feeney, and you probably heard this from a

  • whole lot of other people, is a totally one-off.

  • Compassionate. Hell know more about you in twenty minutes

  • than you’d ever know about him. Oh I think

  • I think the man is a saint.

  • This is the remarkable story of a man who had it all, but realized

  • it wasn’t enough.

  • Chuck Feeney has led an extraordinary life.

  • He became one of the wealthiest men on the planet

  • but throughout his life has chosen to remain outside the glare of the media

  • spotlight.

  • For over twenty five years his contribution to Ireland both

  • economically and politically has been monumental, yet

  • until recently

  • it went undocumented.

  • Now in his late seventies he's telling his story

  • in the hope that others will be inspired as he was.

  • It begins in the depression era of nineteen thirties America.

  • Charles Francis Feeney was born in nineteen thirty one

  • into a small Irish American community in New Jersey. This was the time of the

  • great depression and both his parents worked hard

  • to give their kids a good start in life.

  • I went to a school in an

  • Irish American neighborhood, and it was a

  • Catholic School

  • and we felt

  • we were

  • part of that community.

  • Chuck’s mother Madeline had a strong sense of doing right by the less fortunate.

  • She worked nights as a volunteer red cross nurse

  • and for her, there was no one quite like her only son.

  • He could do things with a straight face and he could get away with it because he was

  • my Charles

  • As far as my mother was concerned he could commit no sins. She was a good woman, clearly

  • and she would just consider it

  • as an obligation to help your neighbors.

  • When you live in a family

  • like that, that she was very

  • very concerned about our neighbors

  • I think that rubs off on you, you are concerned about people.

  • You had already been involved in a few money-making schemes, I mean you had an eye to making a buck.

  • Yeah, the typical things that kids do, mow the lawns,

  • do odd jobs for neighbors, I particularly recall a friend of mine whose name was Moose Foley

  • and I

  • partnered with him because he was the biggest guy in the class. When we’d go

  • out to shovel snow, I’d be the front man, I’d go to sign up the places we

  • had to shovel and I’d whistle for Moose, and he’d come over and

  • start shoveling and

  • I’d start selling again.

  • Moose Foley did most of the shoveling, I know that

  • because my father used to say to him youre a real conniver, youre always thinking.

  • After leaving school, he joined the Air Force and was stationed in Japan as a radio operator during the

  • Korean War.

  • One of the benefits of his military service as he well knew, was the

  • right to a free education afterwards.

  • Veteran’s Administration Officers have been set up in every state, and it’s here the ex-soldier goes

  • if he wants to continue his education under the GI bill of rights.”

  • You mean he can get any kind of education he wants?”

  • Now you're getting the idea.”

  • Chuck Feeney, the kid from a blue-collar New Jersey town aimed high.

  • He applied, and was accepted into the respected ivy-league University of

  • Cornell.

  • The first in his family ever to go to college.

  • The grant from the GI bill didn't leave Chuck much extra

  • and it wasn't long before he started looking around

  • for money-making opportunities.

  • I saw this guy

  • coming around selling sandwiches

  • and I saw how the students

  • flocked down to buy a sandwich,

  • and so I said, I can do that, that's not difficult and so I

  • became a

  • self-made sandwich man.

  • It was at Cornell that he met a group of men who would later play vital roles

  • in his business life.

  • The most influential of all

  • was a young New Yorker studying law.

  • I thought he was selling sandwiches with too much bread

  • and too little peanut butter.

  • He was clearly an entrepreneur.

  • His Cornell experience was I think for him transformative

  • and he not only enjoyed the experience and the people, but

  • tremendously enjoyed the

  • friendships

  • and he always had this sense of gratitude

  • and therefore as part of his overall view that it's good to give back.

  • Following his graduation in hotel management

  • he traveled to France to continue his education,

  • a decision which would change his life forever.

  • Well, that’s

  • playing the hands that youre dealt and

  • I wasn’t quite sure which cards

  • I would be dealt but

  • I was always thinking about ways

  • of making

  • a buck by working

  • myself as opposed to

  • working for somebody.

  • In nineteen fifty six

  • there were fifty ships of the US sixth fleet in the Mediterranean alone

  • each of the thirty thousand servicemen was entitled to buy liquor tax free

  • and Chuck was quick to spot a good business opportunity.

  • I was in a bar and I ran into an Englishman

  • who was just starting up a business of

  • selling liquor to the naval ships. He sent me down to Athens

  • I got down there and

  • they told me that the visit of the ships had been canceled.

  • Using my innate intelligence

  • I spotted a couple of hookers and

  • asked them if they knew when the ships were coming and they knew exactly

  • the day.

  • I stayed on for two weeks

  • and then I started my career selling

  • liquor to the ships.

  • Chuck the ex-GI and his partner had found the perfect business.

  • No set up capital and

  • cash up front.

  • We were buying something for five plus the transport cost

  • and selling it for almost fifteen

  • I looked at the market and said

  • if it's good for the military it must be good for the tourists

  • so we started doing the same thing selling them gallon packages of liquor

  • I said, if you can sell liquor,

  • why can't you sell perfume and so we sort of

  • expanded our range of products. As the sales to the tourists continued

  • Chuck realized that there was a new market opening up with the military.

  • And then we got so many requests for automobiles he said well we ought to get

  • into the automobile business and Germany was a natural because at that time there were

  • about two hundred and fifty thousand

  • military in Germany with dependents

  • and so that was when the business was started there in Frankfurt in the summer of

  • nineteen sixty four.

  • You had an immediate sense that there was almost ingenious with this fellow, just his focus

  • on life, his focus on the business

  • definitely what do they say, type A personality for sure.

  • Walked quickly, talked quickly, worked incessantly

  • things were looking up as the sale of cars, alcohol and perfumes continued but

  • Chuck and his team were in for a shock. Back in New York

  • they brought in an old college friend to advise them on a tax issue.

  • We did reorganize the businesses, and we reorganized them so that the

  • tax risk

  • was eliminated.

  • The bad news is that they weren’t making money

  • but they didn't know it.

  • Well when I arrived in New York it was clearly

  • a mess.

  • It couldn’t be described any other way.

  • There was no accounting systems

  • It took

  • not very long

  • to conclude that

  • the liabilities exceeded the assets by approximately

  • one million six hundred thousand dollars.

  • We got involved in businesses too quickly,

  • before we knew it we

  • were subject to

  • cutthroat competition. If you

  • fail honestly you

  • don’t go to jail, if you fail dishonestly you do go to jail.

  • Cash flow was tremendous

  • and people paid very early for the costs so everybody looked at this

  • money in the bank as profit, as it were.

  • There were no expense controls of any sort, people spent money as they saw fit

  • and

  • it resulted

  • in an enormous deficit

  • we were very lucky if we just got it out of debt and closed it down

  • and moved on to something else.

  • The business was in serious trouble

  • and the new team of Chuck Feeney

  • Alan Parker

  • Bob Miller

  • and Tony Pillaro

  • had no choice but to pay their debts and move on

  • but an opportunity was just around the corner

  • which was soon to make them one of the most successful business partnerships in

  • the world.

  • The concept of the airport duty free shops was not new. In fact,

  • the very first duty free shop was opened in Shannon in nineteen forty

  • six

  • but in the early sixties international travel was still confined to the

  • privileged few and large profits from duty free sales were unimagined.

  • Concessions to run the shops were granted by each government

  • to the highest bidder.

  • A friend of ours wrote to us to tell about a

  • shop that was going to open up at the Honolulu International Airport and

  • there would be the

  • concession to sell

  • any kind of duty free merchandise you wanted.

  • We bid about a hundred and twenty five thousand

  • guaranteed over five years

  • and in no time at all we were doing a giant amount of business.

  • Chuck was always the most optimistic because he was a visionary

  • he could see what was going to happen

  • I was just looking at the figures and adding them up, I could see them growing

  • but Chuck clearly was the visionary.

  • With the Olympic games of nineteen sixty four

  • the Japanese government was keen to present a more liberal image the world.

  • Japanese citizens were allowed to travel abroad in greater numbers

  • and the most popular destination was Honolulu in Hawaii.

  • Chuck’s instincts are sensational

  • and his competitiveness and tenacity are amazing.

  • He's also completely

  • focused

  • so whenever there was an opportunity to make a change, big or small, to improve the

  • business

  • Chuck would often see it. As we explored

  • the Japanese market we realized that they were keen to buy bargains and we

  • would

  • sell a bottle of Johnny Walker Black Label at that stage for about seven dollars a

  • bottle, it cost them in Japan

  • thirty five dollars a bottle, so

  • it was a bargain.

  • So you had this frenzy, the same was true of perfume, the same was true of cigarettes, they

  • were buying for ten percent of what they could buy them for in Japan

  • and in many cases you couldn’t even find the product in Japan.

  • It was very obvious then that this was a business that had great potential

  • and I think the one thing that should be

  • indicated about Chuck

  • is that he had the foresight and he had the vision. The best descriptive word for that is

  • lucky

  • because you know

  • if you want to pick an emerging market

  • pick one that people

  • want, need, and get value from

  • and all of things that we did qualified.

  • One of the rules that the business adopted early on and

  • for which I was appointed the policeman

  • was

  • quiet

  • actually anonymity

  • and at least in Chuck’s case was a desire to stay out of the

  • limelight the more you advertise your success and bragged about it the more

  • likely it is that you were going to attract both jealousy and competition.

  • With the incoming seven forty sevens, it just changed the business dramatically

  • overnight,

  • the lid literally blew off. Some of the first years I was

  • there I think we're doing like

  • ten million dollars a year at the airport

  • and the downtown store during its heyday would do a million dollars a day

  • it was just mind-boggling, we were just trying to make

  • a buck

  • and that seemed like a good way to make a buck.

  • It was an exciting time, every day it was like getting up for the kickoff because it

  • was always something very dramatic

  • and very exciting about it.

  • We drank a lot of champagne, we drank a lot of everything but

  • when you worked hard, you worked hard and when we played, we played hard as well.

  • What was the bonus for you at that stage? Was it the business or the making money, or both? I guess it was the

  • success of business

  • we started with nothing and now look what we've got.

  • The money began to grow pretty quickly and I would say by the early seventies

  • the profits were rolling up very quickly by that time it was more than a

  • single duty-free shop, they had bid elsewhere,

  • and they were the largest duty-free retailer

  • in the world.

  • I think by the late

  • seventies

  • they had

  • five or six thousand employees, the volume by that time was

  • three billion dollars a year or so

  • and because of the structure that had been put in place

  • virtually all of those profits were

  • tax-free.

  • I grew up

  • with my parents having these parties and having a grand oltime,

  • we were the house where people came,

  • and had barbecues and had parties and

  • people always came with their kids, it was always kids and adults parties.

  • I enjoyed what I

  • did, I enjoyed particularly the

  • people that I worked with

  • and

  • I was always thinking that

  • I don't need another million dollars.

  • But as the profits rolled in and the four partners reveled in their

  • multi-million-dollar lifestyles

  • Chuck began to realize the effects that great wealth could have, not only on

  • him

  • but also on his family.

  • My dad was kicking us in the butt since we were fourteen, get out the door, do this

  • yourself, figure it out.

  • He was pushing us to be

  • active and sporty

  • and tough.

  • I felt that they should have

  • the opportunity to see how money is earned

  • and

  • they knew there was a difference between what you make and what youre given.

  • More than anything

  • he wanted us to have goals and passions

  • and he thought well,

  • how could they have this, theyre born with everything already.

  • People have to fight and strive

  • so he made sure we did.

  • I remember having a conversation with Chuck and quoting to him

  • which I can only do approximately the

  • statement that

  • the Reverend Gates made to

  • John D Rockefeller in which

  • he said to Rockefeller, “Your wealth is rolling up, rolling up

  • and if you don't do something about it it will crush you and crush your family.”

  • And Chuck kind of got that.

  • He is uncomfortable with

  • displays of wealth

  • and lavishness

  • and I think that grew over time.

  • I think there were times when he enjoyed entertaining people

  • at some of the houses that

  • the family then owned

  • so I think there were things about it that he enjoyed

  • but the growth of the

  • disquietude

  • eventually outweighed the pleasure of being able to entertain and bring people together.

  • There's a halfway mark where

  • we were living a certain life,

  • my dad was

  • fun at a party

  • then I think things got a little bit more serious with the amount of money

  • and also an awareness,

  • when you travel and see

  • how people suffer really

  • you know it's not just an idea.

  • I think life is a learning process and you read books, you read stories, you empathize with

  • people

  • I’d always empathized with people who

  • have it tough in life and the world is full of people who

  • don't get enough to eat.

  • By nineteen eighty I started to think where is all this leading, what am I going to do with

  • it

  • like many of the

  • wealthy people today

  • they have the money but

  • wouldn’t be able to spend it if they started to

  • spend it.

  • It was the early eighties, and the decade of greed was well underway.

  • While much of the world was consumed with making money

  • Chuck Feeney decided he was going to do something completely different.

  • It was the start of a journey which was to change his life

  • and the lives of many around him.

  • I think because of his upbringing, a blue collar New Jersey guy

  • a guy in college who had to sell sandwiches to get through school

  • is that when he started making

  • these tremendous amounts of money

  • he was almost embarrassed by it.

  • He worked so hard to get there

  • and once he did I think he found, I know he didn’t like these fancy dinners, and

  • and he didn’t want to go

  • places that

  • they were invited to,

  • he was very low key.

  • Chuck doesn't own a car

  • doesn't own a house

  • has one pair of shoes

  • and a fifteen dollar watch.

  • I would be unhappy with myself if I was wasting money

  • on anything and that includes living

  • and so I

  • get

  • what I

  • want from life and move on.

  • He’s happy going out to dinner and if he can get a good bottle of wine

  • he's happy with that and

  • sometimes even a better bottle of wine

  • it's just that his personal style is not self-indulgent or lavish.

  • I’m a guy who has

  • said that

  • I could be happy

  • with a grilled cheese and tomato sandwich.

  • ecause he’d always insisted on remaining anonymous very few people had any

  • idea just how much Feeney was worth, not even his family.

  • By now his fortune was estimated at around a billion dollars

  • and although no one knew

  • he was secretly developing a radical plan to give everything away.

  • Oh I think it was clear throughout that there would be a moment when virtually all

  • of the assets would be used for charitable purposes

  • we were never perfectly clear what virtually all meant

  • because Chuck didn’t want to impoverish his family but it was clear increasingly

  • clear that he didn't want very much for himself.

  • Did you not at any stage wonder yourself, am I going nuts, am I doing the

  • right thing here?

  • I suppose you always question

  • business decisions and this was in effect a type of business decision.

  • I warned him, a good lawyer is supposed to warn clients about risks and I said

  • you can’t change your mind on this, once this is done, if the money is

  • transferred, if the assets are transferred theyre gone

  • and if you change your mind three days later you can't get them back and if you think

  • you've made a mistake you can’t get them back and if things go awry you can't get

  • them back it's irrevocable.

  • Are you sure you want to do this?

  • There was no going back.

  • No going back once we decided.

  • I think he actually was impatient with that because he’d made up his mind and thought it was

  • fine, he said, yeah, let’s get on with it.

  • Chuck Feeney, the man who had worked his whole life to build a business empire

  • was about to change everything

  • with the stroke of a pen.

  • In November nineteen eighty two

  • having made a relatively modest provision for his family, he signed

  • over his entire fortune

  • to his new foundation

  • The Atlantic Philanthropies.

  • I got a phone call one day

  • from him and he said I have a big announcement, and he said

  • I just wanted you to know that

  • I've given everything away

  • and I said you mean every penny

  • and he said I’ve given it all away to a foundation

  • and I said

  • Oh, well that’s good if that’s what you want to do!

  • I mean I'm really proud

  • of my dad I think he's just really an extraordinary man

  • I mean honestly, who does this?

  • I was surprised

  • I will admit, but

  • I knew that he didn’t do it without having given a lot of thought to it and the Irish expression

  • there's no pockets in shrouds,”

  • well I think he just came to that realization said, OK, I'm going to change

  • what I'm doing. Well I guess it gets down to

  • a realization that

  • it doesn't

  • add anything to your life

  • as they say,

  • it may make life a bit more

  • comfortable for you but

  • I’m not uncomfortable today.

  • From now on

  • all of Chuck Feeney’s multi-million dollar profits from the duty-free business would be

  • paid directly

  • into Atlantic Philanthropies.

  • His next destination

  • was a small

  • poor, underdeveloped country

  • on the edge of Europe.

  • I’m kind of a plastic paddy. An Irish-American is a person whose origins are Irish

  • and my grandmother was from Fermanagh

  • I guess

  • I qualify as an Irish-American because I’ve been involved in

  • a number of things that were

  • to do with Ireland

  • in my adult years.

  • When Feeney arrived in Ireland in the early nineteen eighties the country was

  • in the grip of a desperate recession.

  • Unemployment and immigration were at record levels

  • there was little investment in industry our education

  • things were bleak.

  • He had begun routinely spending time in Ireland and doing what he always does, he

  • goes to someplace

  • and he walks around and he sniffs around and he talks to people and it’s this entrepreneurial

  • seeking mode.

  • Feeney had had firsthand experience of the benefits of education

  • and he quickly spotted a real need in Ireland.

  • Irish education had not kept pace

  • and I

  • just had the experience in my life of

  • realizing that it's with educated people that you can achieve more

  • and so we wanted to reinforce the

  • the structures of the universities.

  • One of the cities in Ireland in most need of investment in third level education

  • was Limerick.

  • The people of Limerick had been campaigning for a university for years.

  • Ed Walsh, the young head of Limerick’s existing National Institute

  • had big ambitions to convert it from a small campus

  • into a top-level university.

  • The odds

  • were stacked against him.

  • The thing about Chuck Feeney is that he likes the underdog

  • and Limerick was the underdog. First of all, Limerick is physically a little bit separate

  • from other places

  • and the institution was a new institution which was bucking the trend,

  • Ed Walsh was introducing new thinking into a rather stultified higher

  • education system in Ireland and was not welcomed for that.

  • Those are the sort of people that Chuck Feeney likes.

  • Mavericks.

  • A very unassuming man on a first encounter

  • just because he dressed so badly

  • and was so self-effacing

  • a very ordinary kind of guy he could have stepped off a tractor in

  • County Clare

  • and when he came into my office in Limerick, most Americans would have a quick

  • encounter and someone would take them away

  • and see the building,

  • this man had read and he was profoundly knowledgeable

  • about Ireland and it’s predicament and

  • the trouble and the potential

  • so something clicked.

  • We did a lot of bricks and mortar at the very beginning because some of the

  • things that we wanted to do for example here in Ireland

  • were going to require buildings

  • at universities, student accommodation

  • libraries and that sort of stuff

  • Chuck says, look, youve got one chance to do something extremely well

  • the country does not have a purpose

  • designed concert hall

  • why don't we bring in the best designer we can, I know one in New York

  • he flew in

  • and well design a world class concert hall that Ireland can be proud of and the

  • university can be proud of

  • by the way you can design it in such a way

  • that it will meet the needs of students and conferrings and everything else

  • so this was the first major project.

  • The anonymity which had been crucial to the success of his business

  • became an obsession with Feeney.

  • As the buildings went up

  • maintaining the veil of secrecy became the condition of any grants the

  • foundation made.

  • The joke used to be in the

  • trade that

  • A_P

  • was synonymous with anonymous.

  • He explained to me

  • that if we revealed who was providing the funding

  • it would cease.

  • It was very strange trying to explain to

  • faculty and staff here where the money was coming from,

  • was I involved in the drugs businesses something like that,

  • because these magnificent buildings were rising out of the ground

  • and we couldn't explain really who was doing it.

  • In nineteen eighty nine Limerick finally got its university

  • and as the campus grew

  • so too did jobs and opportunities in the city and beyond.

  • No matter where you look on campus

  • you can find Chuck Feeney’s mark.

  • The thing he liked about the university program was that there were buildings, there was

  • bricks and mortar, you could kick them, you could touch them, you could feel them

  • they were there.

  • Those who knew him before said that he’d been transformed, he was much happier

  • and he was really enjoying life

  • the more he gave the more he enjoyed it it was quite amazing.

  • The effect of Feeney’s donations to Limerick and other universities was

  • slowly transforming the country

  • but these investments would be dwarfed by the sheer scale of the next phase of

  • the project

  • meanwhile events in his home country of Fermanagh

  • were drawing him into the complex world of Northern Irish politics.

  • Well I think the terminal event was certainly the bombing in Enniskillen.

  • It just seemed so gross and

  • there were just people who unfortunately

  • happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  • It struck me that this is not a good Irish

  • thing, we're not that kind of people that

  • want to make people disappear from the Earth because of

  • their views.

  • I met Chuck one night at P_J Clarke’s

  • sat him down and said

  • I was considering putting together a group

  • to go to Northern Ireland to become involved and try and bring an American

  • dimension to solving the Irish issue and Chuck instantly said yes, I want to do it

  • which was remarkable given who he was and given the

  • fact that this was really kind of a fool's errand in many people’s eyes.

  • At the time there was no solution in sight to the violence in Northern

  • Ireland

  • Sinn Fein was censored under section thirty one

  • and had become political pariahs

  • but there was a feeling that if the party could be brought into the political

  • mainstream

  • it could help

  • move the peace process forward.

  • At that time I sort of

  • felt that the business of

  • bringing a solution to the problem was

  • as good a business as you could get into.

  • In early ninety three

  • O’Dowd suggested that Chuck Feeney should meet the head of Sinn Fein

  • Gerry Adams.

  • Well the first time I met him

  • was at a safe house

  • in Dublin and

  • he struck the right away as being open, straightforward

  • and I thought that this is the kind of person

  • who can talk to both sides.

  • What Chuck brought to it was

  • a confidence, or a trust, or an

  • acceptance

  • that we were genuinely trying to

  • do something to get

  • the whole process

  • together which would build a bridge out of conflict.

  • Feeney joined O’Dowd and a group of well respected businessmen

  • who were planning a landmark trip to Northern Ireland.

  • We had

  • conducted negotiations

  • with the Clinton White House before we left because we had

  • become involved with the Clinton people

  • and we said look we're going to go over there

  • and while were there there will be a cease-fire for the IRA, it will be unannounced,

  • it will be for ten days

  • and it will send a signal that

  • the Republican movement want to

  • move this issue forward.

  • The U_S delegation arrived for their meeting to a frenzy of media attention.

  • The American group of businessmen and trade unionists then got down to

  • three hours of talks.”

  • He had a very incisive sense

  • of people and

  • I could see how he was remarkably successful in business

  • and he was a great man to kind of size-up a situation. As he was in his financial business

  • as he was in trying to make sure things were done in a fair deal

  • he was as sharp as any razor

  • and when you said something to him, as complicated as Northern Ireland was

  • he understood what you were saying. Chuck Feeney works in a very intuitive way he doesn't have a very

  • structured approach to things

  • he goes by gut and by feel and in particular he's always very concerned to

  • get a sense of the people he's dealing with and particularly the leader of the

  • organization that he might be looking at.

  • Feeney the anonymous billionaire was now at the center of a major world news

  • story.

  • He felt that real progress could only be made if the delegation met

  • representatives of all sides.

  • We talked with paramilitaries and some

  • of the stuff was that they were concerned

  • the war that the Republicans had carried out had

  • been funded by Irish America, and for the

  • move forward the Americans were going to play a big role

  • in terms of the whole peace process, how Northern Ireland was

  • designed, developed and all the rest of it, so we needed to actually talk to Irish America

  • to find out where they stood on all of this.

  • From my point of view, I think

  • that that part of the process was very easy because Irish America were open to

  • hearing what was going on

  • and they were very open, they actually

  • I suppose in many ways

  • helped loyalism move on.

  • The visit was a success

  • but the next challenge was to try to convince a hostile U_S State Department

  • that it should support a radical proposal.

  • Well we had a very basic plan that we would go back to the White House and we would explain that

  • our visit

  • had coincided with a ten-day IRA cease-fire it showed that the good will

  • on the part of the Republican movement was there

  • and that now the White House needed to make a gesture.

  • We believed after

  • discussing it at the

  • Congressional level with

  • some of the

  • representatives that there was support out there for

  • a way to get people together and that

  • culminated in the visa

  • for Gerry Adams which

  • seems perfectly logical today but they

  • didn't think so at the time.

  • How difficult was it for your group to persuade Clinton to

  • give Adams that visa in the face of pretty stiff opposition from the British?

  • I think in fairness Bill Clinton

  • he thought it through himself and

  • and thought that talking

  • was

  • a better answer than killing. It was around this time that Feeney made a controversial

  • decision

  • to fund the establishment of a Sinn Fein office in Washington.

  • My rationale was straightforward

  • I wanted to see an end to the problem and

  • the idea of having an office

  • where people

  • could meet and

  • see each other

  • seemed to be right.

  • There were a lot of people counseling him not to get involved, I know for a fact that

  • many people in his own organization

  • called him

  • and I had a few calls myself from people in his organization who

  • were frantically saying, what the hell are you doing?

  • I wish he had not decided to give it money

  • that I think was not a good idea

  • and Chuck disagrees on that

  • but it was his money, it was certainly never the foundation’s money, that's an

  • important issue

  • the foundation never did and never would

  • give money to a political cause.

  • The concern at the time was that the IRA were not

  • fully committed to the cease-fire and in fact broke the cease-fire

  • during that time. Were you not concerned that your money was going to go

  • to the wrong place?

  • I suppose there was a concern but as they say knowing the people and

  • seeing them on a regular basis reinforced the belief that the

  • IRA

  • and Sinn Fein we're looking for

  • a solution.

  • Do you feel that there was any lasting damage done to your good name?

  • Not that I know of.

  • Just over a year after Chuck Feeney and his delegation visited Belfast

  • another famous American would follow.

  • It was to be an historic turning point if the President of the United States could

  • walk down the Falls Road

  • surely anything was possible.

  • As he went into McErlean’s bakery the crowds

  • had already broken through the barriers providing a real security headache for the Secret Service.”

  • I think one of the most glorious moments for us was President Clinton

  • coming to Ireland for the first time to Belfast

  • and I also think one of the greatest things for Ireland

  • was this incredible situation where the President of the United States was walking up the

  • Falls Road walking down the Shankill Road

  • which a couple of years previous to that could never even have been considered.

  • I think that Chuck and

  • others like him

  • and he's the one that strikes me most vividly

  • as wanting to return the favor in some way

  • the place that his people couldn’t live in

  • that he has been part of the energy of making it a better place

  • for the people who do live here.

  • Clinton’s nineteen ninety five visit to Belfast

  • is now widely recognized as one of the key to turning points in the history of

  • Northern politics.

  • Chuck was such a huge part of that

  • I would go so far as to say I don’t think it wouldve happened without him.

  • I think he was central to the American

  • role and the American role was central to the process.

  • Aside from Feeney’s personal involvement,

  • Atlantic Philanthropies continues to invest millions in projects in Northern

  • Ireland on all sides of the political divide.

  • Chuck, I suppose in many ways through Atlantic Philanthropies

  • put his money where his mouth is

  • and it put money in struggling loyalist communities

  • and he

  • hasn’t asked

  • are you a Republican, are you a Loyalist, are you a Jew

  • are you a Muslim, he hasn’t asked that

  • what he has done, is he says

  • these people need a leg up

  • and I’ve got money that can help do that, and that’s what he’s done.

  • Throughout the morning at his hotel the Taoiseach met a number of chief executives

  • representing health care, electronics and the service sector of the

  • telecommunications industry. Twenty of

  • these companies are already in Ireland fifteen others are looking for a base to

  • service their company’s European operations.”

  • In the nineteen nineties Ireland with its low corporation tax and ready

  • workforce

  • was beginning to attract more and more multinational business. What the country

  • didn't have was the educational infrastructure required

  • to sustain the economic upturn.

  • Ireland ranked very poorly in the international tables

  • in terms of expenditure and research and development

  • and here we were

  • presenting ourselves as a future major knowledge economy and we weren't

  • spending money on the knowledge.

  • The reality was

  • That in nineteen ninety seven

  • the government made an announcement that they would make one million available to

  • meet the equipment needs of all of the Irish universities

  • so that was nonsense.

  • After the success in Limerick

  • Feeney was thinking big. He knew that a colossal investment in education would

  • create a generation of highly skilled graduates, and that they would attract big name

  • employers and create opportunities for others. There were people out there who rationalized that

  • helping universities

  • is

  • helping the economy, is helping yourself, is helping your neighbors.

  • But in order to fund the plans on the scale that he envisaged

  • he needed more money, a lot more money

  • so in nineteen ninety seven he sold Atlantic’s share in D_F_S

  • as a result almost overnight

  • the foundation was flooded

  • with over one point six billion dollars.

  • Chuck can’t stand having money around, he just likes to see it spent

  • so he said to me one day in the summer of nineteen ninety seven, he said look

  • I really like these building projects we've been doing with these

  • universities but they're not moving fast enough and I’d really like to up the tempo.

  • Funding from the government

  • didn’t have that much of structure to it, we were the first ones that came

  • along and said

  • if you put up the money

  • let's do a three-year five-year plan and

  • you put up your money well put up our money and well move it forward.

  • In the early years when he knew that the capital program

  • wouldn’t be able to do that he didn't put on that pressure

  • we he then realized in ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine that things

  • were better for the country he then put the pressure on

  • to make sure that the states lived up to what he believed was his personal standard.

  • A breakfast meeting was arranged between the higher education authority

  • and officials from the Department of Education. Over breakfast John said

  • if we put up seventy five million pounds for research funding would you

  • match it? Well put

  • seventy five million pounds on the table

  • but you've got to come up with a matching seventy five million, and

  • they kind of almost fell off their chairs.

  • There was a moment's hesitation, so I said

  • I think we could write a paper on how we might spend this.

  • Atlantic’s revolutionary funding plan was presented to the Department of

  • Finance.

  • Their reaction to any proposal is to say no

  • and that was the reaction that we instantly met.

  • The resistance was that

  • if you took this money that was bringing the capital program for

  • third level education to certain level, therefore what would happened next

  • year?

  • What held the country back for years we just didn't have the money for capital

  • we always had to

  • put our money into day to day issues

  • but he had a broader view of things and a correct view of things.

  • So we started working on the political channel

  • and we started playing all the sort of, blackmail and violence that one uses

  • in these intense inter-departmental debates so Atlantic played their part as well

  • they sprung an ultimatum

  • they said unless it’s fixed by such and such a date, which was a Saturday morning, were off.

  • But in terms of making a decision they dragged their feet, and you had

  • to put them on a clock.

  • Yeah I guess so

  • but that's the way it

  • it works out sometimes.

  • We had quite frankly, I can say it now we had the academic debate within

  • government and within the department who said this hasn’t got value

  • and I believe it was a bit of a stupid argument

  • that you were going to turn away

  • the best gift horse that you’d ever get.

  • After weeks of hard negotiations it was finally agreed that if Atlantic put

  • up seventy five million pounds

  • the Irish government would match it.

  • The Program for Research in Third Level Institutions or P_R_T_L_I was born.

  • These funds represent a major advance for the country's research community

  • and the representatives looked pleased at today's announcement in Dublin.” It will

  • mean that well be in a position to attract the best staff to our universities and our institutes of

  • technology

  • in the research areas

  • which will improve quality, it will mean very significant capital investment in terms of new buildings

  • and new equipment.

  • And this transformed the nature of higher education and the nature of

  • Ireland’s attempt to attract foreign direct investment

  • so the multinationals, the Intels, and the Microsofts, and the Hewlett Packards could be

  • convinced

  • that they could move upwards and put sophisticated research

  • and development into Ireland.

  • Chuck was behind what triggered this whole thing

  • and I doubt that the Department of Education would have put

  • a euro upon a euro to do this were it not for Chuck’s initiative.

  • What I think he did for many of us who came in touch with him

  • was that he

  • inspired us to think big. If we aspire to being a leading knowledge-based economy and society in the world

  • we needed to behave like one. This was typical of how Chuck worked, there was the

  • visionary part which was probably more important than the funding but he followed

  • through with funding

  • to help others turn a good vision into reality.

  • This he did with government, this he did with Ireland.

  • The idea was, we showed them the light.

  • To date,

  • Atlantic has invested one point two billion dollars in Ireland alone

  • over seven hundred and fifty million of that

  • has gone into third level education

  • and the resulting new population of highly qualified post-graduates

  • was undoubtedly a key driver of the Celtic tiger economy.

  • As with all his grants

  • there was no publicity

  • no names on buildings

  • only a desire to promote opportunity through education

  • all the more necessary

  • in troubled economic times.

  • Ireland is subject to

  • good times and bad times and

  • tougher times are coming

  • and that just requires

  • more support.

  • The Irish public have often proven their interest in seeing wrongdoing in

  • corporate and political life being exposed

  • up to now tribunals set up by the state have been the way it's done

  • but now a private group is about to begin its investigations too

  • with retired judge Fergis Flood at the head of its board.”

  • Feeney's involvement in Irish politics continued

  • when in two thousand and five

  • Atlantic funded the establishment of a Center for Public Inquiry

  • an independent watchdog charged with uncovering corruption in public life.

  • Well the concept of citizen watchdog organizations is kind of

  • unexceptional in a country like the United States in many other countries as well

  • in what you would say are mature Democratic societies. I think

  • the idea of the Center was to

  • hold

  • government accountable

  • for things that happened

  • because they call the shots.

  • The person they hired to head up the center seemed a logical choice

  • Frank Connolly was an established journalist whose work on corruption had contributed

  • to the establishment of the Flood and Morris Tribunals.

  • We had a fellow, Frank Connelly

  • who I think was recognized as this one of the very good

  • investigative

  • journalists

  • here in Ireland.

  • I think quite frankly this was seen as a strange group

  • to be

  • watching ourselves

  • and I suppose

  • if in Paris

  • an organization funded by a group of Irish people was set up to start

  • investigating them,

  • what would the French think?

  • You felt you were entitled to fund such an operation in Ireland and you felt it was worthwhile.

  • Yes

  • if the Center

  • was ever able to carry out the

  • goals that we had set out than it would have been worthwhile.

  • I think it was mentioned that we were planning to target individuals in our

  • investigations which of course is absolutely absurd, we have never suggested any

  • such thing, we never did any such thing what we said we were going to do is

  • examine matters of public importance.

  • This was the Center’s first report and many more they say are on the way

  • on a range of controversies.

  • In the beginning the Center produced two well-received reports on planning

  • problems in Trim

  • and on the Corrib gas controversy

  • but soon there were allegations emerging

  • that seriously threatened to undermine the independence of the Center.

  • Frank Connolly, brother of Niall Connelly one of the so-calledColombia threewas

  • alleged to have traveled to Colombia on a false passport.

  • The Taoiseach

  • met with Feeney.

  • I and Mike McDowell

  • asked a question, what was this really about

  • we weren’t attacking or lecturing him because he wasn’t that kind of a person,

  • he could do whatever he wanted with his money

  • but I think we gave him

  • at an honest assessment of the view in Leinster House

  • and no more than that

  • Undoubtedly The Center for Public Inquiry aspires to be an organ of public

  • opinion

  • but equally it is one which in subversive hands has

  • the capacity to gravely undermine the authority of the state.”

  • The way we saw it in Leinster House was that they were going to investigate decisions

  • that were made and planned and undertaken.

  • Well we see that the

  • courts are the places you should do that

  • not ad hoc committees.

  • Citing the interests of national security

  • Minister for Justice Michael McDowell

  • released the documents to the Irish newspapers

  • claiming to prove that Connelly had traveled to Colombia.

  • All I have done

  • is to give to the Irish Independent

  • at its request a copy of the forgery

  • so that people in this country

  • can determine where the truth lies.” Even though the D_P_P found no evidence against him,

  • pressure intensified on Connelly to

  • say where he had been at the time in question.

  • Did you ask him where he was for those couple of weeks?

  • Probably, if not myself I said

  • found out where Frank was for those couple of weeks.

  • You got no answer to that.

  • He didn’t answer that.

  • It then became

  • a matter of credibility for the organization, that was a very painful and

  • difficult episode

  • that I think upset Chuck Feeney a lot.

  • We hadn’t researched back far enough

  • and we were surprised by

  • what we discovered and

  • then we

  • tried to carry the can for that because

  • what you don’t discover is your fault too.

  • Are you in a position now or do you think you would be in a position ever to say

  • where you were at the time and finally end all that speculation

  • I don't think it's my position I’ve already said to you that

  • the investigation for what it was

  • is finished so it's nonsense in my view that for me to be trying

  • to explain things based on an investigation that was never justified in the first

  • place.

  • If Chuck Feeney had

  • stood up at any stage and articulated what he

  • wanted this for

  • people would have accepted that, he never did that

  • my view is that is

  • he never had researched this through.

  • In a way could it be said that he was

  • railroaded out, not by you

  • but perhaps by

  • the government or individuals within the government?

  • Well, that certainly is an assessment someone could make.

  • Elements in power

  • not only that but including the former Taoiseach I think

  • didn’t like the idea of where this was going to go and where it potentially could go, and if you

  • look back now at what's happened in the last couple of years weve discovered

  • corruption on a scale none of us ever envisaged would emerge or even existed at the time

  • and I think that's partly the tragedy of all of this.

  • Atlantic withdrew its funding

  • and the center was closed in December two thousand and five.

  • The sad thing about this is that

  • because the watchdog organization was setback as a result of what happened

  • and it could be some years I think before it can be revived.

  • Chuck Feeney’s philosophy of giving while living

  • is central to everything he does.

  • His belief that it's better to give money away now has changed the lives of

  • millions

  • and his work isn't over yet.

  • Feeney, an extremely shy man recently made the difficult decision to sacrifice his

  • anonymity

  • and cooperate on a biography with Conor O’Clery, he did

  • it because he wants his message of giving while living to inspire others

  • my sense is that he's getting to a stage in his life now where

  • as I think all of us do when we get a little bit older you ask yourself what is

  • the meaning of your life been and what have you been able to contribute. I sense that the most important

  • thing for him now is to spread the gospel of giving while living and

  • to influence more people who have

  • money

  • to give it away and to give it away wisely.

  • We are

  • a spend-down foundation which means that we are going to

  • over the next nine years or thereabouts

  • spend down the assets of the

  • foundation which would be in excess of three

  • billion dollars. In order to meet the deadline of spending our

  • endowment out of existence

  • by two thousand and sixteen we have to give away a million dollars every day of the

  • year three hundred and sixty five days a year.

  • There’s logic in

  • making things happen now

  • especially

  • if now

  • there are things out there that are necessary

  • nowadays Chuck Feeney still travels to see the work that Atlantic Philanthropies

  • supports in seven countries around the world, in

  • projects on aging,

  • children and youth, population health

  • and reconciliation and human rights.

  • I'm not here to tell anybody

  • what they should do with their money, if you make your money you do what you want with

  • it

  • but I think there is an obligation certainly for the

  • havesto reach out and to look and see what they can do.

  • Any money that people give to

  • any good cause as long as it's well-managed is worthwhile.

  • I just hope that

  • people will sort of try it you'll like it.

  • Today with the same relentless drive and attention to detail that made him one of the

  • world's richest men

  • Chuck Feeney

  • is now giving away the last of his billions.

  • I wouldn't put him happy in the sense of content,

  • I would say he's happy with what he's been able to do and wishes there would be more

  • and he's probably just as restless and consumed with trying to make it better now

  • as he was in nineteen sixty two.

  • He wants to be

  • in the center of things. He wants to be where the action is and if he has to

  • get on an airplane and fly to five different airports hell go. My husband said to him

  • one time, why don’t you just have a conference call

  • instead of spending a day and a half in the airport to get wherever.

  • I think my dad would wish he could livetil he’s a hundred and sixty, if not more, to keep

  • involved and

  • he tells me how pissed he is that he’s not going to be able to see how things turn out here or

  • There.

  • He wants to keep going.

  • Hell never retire.

  • I doubt it. He couldn't, he can’t.

  • Maybe the Lord’s word

  • is the

  • decider on that.

  • The poor are always with us

  • you know, youll never run out of people you can help.

This man's generosity has transformed the lives of millions throughout the world

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