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  • you know, Senator Sanders likes to say he will need a record turnout to defeat Donald Trump.

  • He's right.

  • We're the campaign's gonna do that.

  • Record turnout you wanna nominate will bring the party together.

  • We'll run about for positive progressive vision for the future, not turn this primary into a campaign of negative attacks.

  • Because I will only re elect Donald Trump.

  • We go that route.

  • Joe Biden in Missouri yesterday and we're joined now by his last remaining opponent, Senator Bernie Sanders joins us from Grand Rapids, Michigan, this morning.

  • Senator Sanders.

  • Thank you for joining us, Boy.

  • What a difference a week makes.

  • When you joined us last Sunday, you were leading in Delegates look poised for a big lead coming out of Super Tuesday.

  • Pete Buddha, Judge Amy Klobuchar, Elizabeth Warren, Michael Bloomberg all still in the race.

  • How surprised were you by Super Tuesday And how do you explain it?

  • Well, one of the things that I was kind of not surprised by has the power off the establishment to force Amy Club, which I would work so hard.

  • People to judge you, you know, really worked extremely hard as well out off the race What was very clear from the media narrative of what the establishment wanted was to make sure that people coalesced around Biden and tried to defeat me.

  • So that's not surprising.

  • We are taking on George, and I think everybody knows the establishment we're taking on the corporate establishment.

  • We're taking on the political establishment, and what you are seeing now, just in the last few weeks is Wall Street, the health care industry, the billionaire class putting a lot of money into Joe's campaign.

  • But at the end of the day, you know what?

  • I think we're gonna win this thing we want in California.

  • We want a Utah we want in Colorado.

  • We want in Vermont.

  • We won three states popular votes before that, and I'm looking forward to the primary here in Michigan and in the state of Washington, other places as well.

  • But as you know, Joe Biden now is the majority of the popular vote as well.

  • From all the states that voted vote, he won 10 states on Tuesday.

  • It wasn't just the establishment was the voters as well, and now he's got new endorsement.

  • Just this morning here was Camilla Harris, one of The things that we need right now is we need a leader who really does care about the people and who can therefore unify the people.

  • And I believe Joe can do that.

  • He is a public servant.

  • Was always worked for the best of who we are as a nation.

  • And we need that right now.

  • There is so much at stake in this election, guys.

  • She is now the ninth former candidate to endorse Joe Biden.

  • So goes beyond the establishment.

  • And she made the point there.

  • That is Joe Biden who is unifying the Democratic Party.

  • Yeah, but let me just say this later on today, we're gonna have the support.

  • I believe here in Grand Rapids of Jesse Jackson on As I think you will know.

  • You know, Jesse, Jesse has been one of the great civil life or civil rights leaders in the modern history of this country.

  • He changed American politics with a concept.

  • The Rainbow Coalition being blacks and whites and Latinos together in 84 in 88 he has been a leader in helping to transform this country.

  • An aide to Dr Martin Luther King Jr.

  • So we're proud.

  • Look, we have the support of virtually every major grassroots organization representing millions of workers, black and brown and white.

  • We have the support of a number of major unions in this country.

  • This is no secret, George.

  • You know politics.

  • We're not going to get the support of most elected leaders.

  • Not most governors, not most senators.

  • But we all winning the support of grassroots America because we have an agenda that speaks the working people.

  • Our agenda says that health care is a human right.

  • Our agenda is very different, and our record is very different than Joe Biden's.

  • Joe Biden voted for the war in Iraq.

  • I helped lead the opposition here in Michigan right now.

  • The trade agreements like NAFTA and PNTR with China with disastrous cost 160,000 jobs here in Michigan because American workers were forced to compete against desperate people in Mexico and China, cost over four million jobs nationally.

  • I led the effort against those disastrous trade rooms work with the unions.

  • Joe voted for those trade agreements.

  • Joe was has been in the past on the floor of the Senate, talking about the need to cut Social Security, Medicare veterans broken.

  • It's part of a so called balanced budget effort.

  • I strongly opposed that.

  • I believe we have to expand social study.

  • Joe is now getting his funding from atleast 60 billionaires, not to mention a super back.

  • We get our funding from the grass roots and working families averaging $18.50.

  • People understand the difference.

  • We are in a crisis in America not only in the need to defeat Donald Trump, the most dangerous president, modern American history, but to take on the greed and corruption of corporate elite of the corporate elite.

  • That is what our campaign is about.

  • It's very different than Jos.

  • You outspend him on Super Tuesday.

  • Let me pick up on one of the points you're making me talk about Social Security is, you know, Vice President Biden has also said he wants to expand Social Security benefits, and the president has actually picked up on your attacks.

  • Here was a Tweety sent out this week, he said, I will protect your Social Security Medicare.

  • Justus I.

  • After the past three years, sleepy Joe Biden will destroy both in very short order, and you won't even know he's doing it.

  • A ZAY, said Vice President Biden said he's gonna expand Social Security benefits.

  • You don't take him at his word.

  • Okay?

  • No, I don't look, no.

  • Joe is a friend of mine.

  • And by the way, you know I have said that if Joe wins, I'll be there for him to defeat Trump.

  • He has said he'll be there for me to defeat Trump.

  • We're agreed on that.

  • But I think in the course of a political career, members of the Senate members of the House have to cast difficult votes.

  • I cast a vote against the so called Defense of Marriage Act, which was a home, a public act, Brooke by the right wing.

  • Back then, it was not an easy vote.

  • Joe voted for.

  • I voted consistently against the Hyde amendment, which denies women in this country the ability to control their own bodies in terms of abortion.

  • Drove, voted for it.

  • So what I'm saying here is that people want somebody who has a history of standing up and making the tough decisions in tough times.

  • The war in Iraq, it was not so easy.

  • Let me you brought up the Warner.

  • Do you really believe there's any difference between you and Joe Biden right now on gay rights or abortion rights going forward?

  • Yeah, I think I have.

  • Well, look, I mean, if you judge somebody by their records, I have been there.

  • I have 100% pro choice voting record.

  • I was there when the going was tough.

  • Joe was not in terms of gay rights in terms off.

  • You know, as I mentioned the defense so called Defense of Marriage Act.

  • It was not an easy vote, as you will recall.

  • And when I cast and said no, you know, marriage is not just between a man and women.

  • People have the right to marry whoever they want, regardless of the agenda.

  • That was a tough vote in Vermont in terms of whether or not gays have the right.

  • I had the right to be in the military.

  • This don't ask, don't tell.

  • But I was on the right side of that issue.

  • Joe was not all that I'm saying.

  • You and I like you, I really do.

  • Is that people have a right to know who is going to be there when the going gets tough voting against the Wall Street bailout.

  • I voted against that.

  • Joe voted for it.

  • They're all really backed by President Obama.

  • Nancy Pelosi.

  • Ted Kennedy, your own senior senator from Vermont.

  • Padlock.

  • That's what they're all wrong.

  • That's right.

  • But it was it.

  • Yeah, of course.

  • What I said then, and I say now you don't give trillions of dollars and zero interest loans to Wall Street and large corporations all over this country.

  • If he wanted to bail out Wall Street the way you do it has asked the wealthiest people in this country who helped cause the crisis to stop paying their taxes so that we could do what had to be done.

  • And right now, the bailout of Wall Street, we bailed out Wall Street, and yet you got 1/2 of the people in this country living paycheck to paycheck.

  • More recently, Trump is giving tax breaks to billionaires.

  • You got 1/2 a 1,000,000 people sleeping out on the street.

  • What our campaign is about is getting our priorities right and really finally having the government that represented working people and not just the billionaire class.

  • Let's look ahead to next Tuesday, heard from a silver at Fivethirtyeight, he crunched the numbers and showed you have almost no chance of getting a plurality of delegates without a win in Michigan.

  • Do you agree that Michigan is make or break for you?

  • No, I don't.

  • I've been asked to make a break.

  • You well know, George, you know a little bit about politics.

  • Make a break.

  • Since Iowa since the habitations Nevada every state is important.

  • Michigan is very, very important.

  • Last time around, in 2016 I was told impossible.

  • You can't win Michigan effect.

  • The day before the election, we were 20 points down in some of these polls.

  • I think we got a great shot, the win in Michigan and we got a great shot to win in Washington.

  • Maybe some other states as well.

  • We have a long, long way to go to the Democratic nomination, and we're gonna fight for every vote that we can get.

  • Final question.

  • If it becomes clear, though, in the next month that you cannot get a plurality, you will not be heading to the convention with the lead.

  • Will you drop out or take this all the way to the convention?

  • Look left.

  • We will fight for every vote that we can ends where, as we try to win this election, I'm not a massive shits Who wants to stay in the race That can't be won?

  • But right now that's a little bit premature.

  • Let's not determine what will happen on Tuesday.

  • What will happen in the future?

  • I think we got a great chance to win in Michigan.

  • Washington, New York State Some of the major states that are coming up.

  • And I think the people in those states have a right to cast a vote for the candidate that they want to see become president of the United States.

  • Senator Sanders, Thanks for your time this morning.

  • Of course we're all gonna be watching on Tuesday.

  • Thanks very much.

  • Hi, everyone.

  • George Stephanopoulos here.

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you know, Senator Sanders likes to say he will need a record turnout to defeat Donald Trump.

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