I putthattoProfessorNickFinn, deputydirectorofPublicHealth, England's NationalInfectionService, and I askedhimwhethertheapproachestoallowsomepeopletogetinfectedtodevelopwhat's called a herdimmunitywe'llherdimmunityis, isthesituationwhereyougetsomanypeopleinthepopulation, thedevelopment, immunityto a disease, thatthereisnoopportunityforthediseaseactuallytobecomeestablishedonspreadtolotsofpeople.
Youcandothatnaturally, ofcourse, if a diseasethat's notbeenintroducedbeforeeffects a largenumberofpeopleandandthat's reallyhowherdimmunityintheUKwoulddevelop.
Butsoisthatnowthepolicytoallowtheinfectiontospread, perhapsin a controlledway, to a largesexinthepopulationsothatwedevelopthatimmunityin a naturalway.
Okay, ifyouare, thenyoucanrelaxlegalbylegalovertheweeks, overthemonths, themeasuressothatno, wehavemorecapacityonthe N N hsandthecasesarespreadoutovertime.
The N hsmaintainedthattheyhavemeasuresinplaceandarewellpreparedtocopewith a Coronavirusoutbreak.
Buthowdidthoseworkingonthefrontlinefield?
Thisprogramissurveyed.
Almost 1000 energiesstaffaboutpreparedness, astheprimeministerwarnsthatwewillfacechallengingtimes.
ManyIndianHSareworried, too.
99% saytheydon't feelthe N.
H s isin a goodpositiontofacetherapidlyincreasingnumbersofcases.
Thegovernmentlinethatwe'rereadyorpreparedislaughable, thepublicunpreparedforwhatwillbeanavalancheinthenextweek, Oursirgoodlookto a zoneinItalydoctors a widethattheycouldrunoutofventilatorsandwillsoonhavetomakedifficultdecisionsaboutwhogetstreatment.
Wehavenowherenearthenumberofcriticalcarebadsofresourcestocopeofeven a fractionofthepatient's likelytogetCoronavirus.
Butit's notjustequipmenttotreatpatients.
Oursurveyreveals.
Many a worriedandangryaboutthelackofprotectionforstaff.
A cZwell, 97% felttherewasn't enoughkeepingthemsafe, withany 14% sayingtheprotectionequipmenthadbeenfreelyavailable.
As a GP, I feelexposedandvulnerablewithcompletelyinadequateprotection.
GovernmentpeopIeequipmentisuseless.
Whomasksinsomeplasticeightprintsmightaswellwear a partyhatfrom a ChristmascrackerfeelslikeGPSofthecanariesinthecoalmine, withthegovernmentstoppingshortoflockingdowncommunities.
Oursurveyshowsthat 94% thoughttheUKresponsehasn't beenquickenough, and 95% feltthatthemeasuresweren't strongenough.
TomDolphinis a consultantanesthetistinLondonandis a councilmemberoftheBritishMedicalAssociationonKatieBrownell.
Stainis a GPinheartfuture, A countywith a clusterofCoronavirusinfections.
Welcometoyouboth.
That's first.
We'llstartwiththesurveythatwejustbroadcast I mean, thesearereallydepressingnumbersintermsofconfidenceoffrontlinestafflikeyou, intheabilityoftheenergiestoprotectthemonGus, Doyouagreewiththosenumbers?
I thinkit's fairtosay I doagreewiththosenumbers.
Theyspeakthetruth.
Theyfree.
Lookbacktothissummer.
I remember a WednesdayafternooninAugustwhereinallpracticesacrossmyregionweresent a blackalertbecausethehospitaltrustswereoverwhelmedandaccuseofambulancesoutsidethefrontdoor.
Becausethealternativeisyou'regonnahaveuptooneinthreeand a cheststaffwhowerehavingtoselfisolate, whodon't knowifthey'vebeenexposedandthereforeimmuneannouncedin a positiontocomebacktowork.
Whatdoyouthink I thinkthetestingkitswillbeveryhelpful.
We'regoingtofindourselvesin a situationmaybein a fewweeks, maybein a fewmonthswherethenumberofpatientswhoneedcareisgoingtoexceedwhattheenditjustisabletoprovide.
Howworriedareyouaboutthelackofprotectivegearforsomeofthefrontlinestuff, Orindeed, thedangerthesafeiswhenyoubecome a doctoror a nurseorotherhealthcareprofessional, youexpecttocomeintocontactwithinfectiousdisease.
DisneyParksisshuttingtheirdoors, schoolsareclosingandsupermarketshows a leftbareasmultiplecountriesgoingtolockdownthestreetsofMadridareempty, theVaticandeserted.
Oristhere a kindofreducedsenseofkindofalmost a senseofreliefthatisnotTheyoungerpeoplearebeingaffectedbythistothesameextent?
Well, whenyou'removingtowardstheendofyourlife, youhave a perspectiveonitthatisquitedifferentfromyoungerpeople.
So I'm reallymuchmoreconcernedwithyoungergenerations.
However, I'm preparedtodoeverythingthat I canfrommy, myselfandmyowngenerationtokeepourselveshelphealthyonoperatinginsocietyratherthanbeing a burdenondisobeyingandfeeling.
Katie, we'vespokeninthestudioquite a fewtimesinthelasttwoweeks.
I meantheeconomicimpactofthis, and I'm notjusttalkingaboutmarket's goingupanddown, buttheeconomicimpactontourism, onhotels, onairlines, onsmallbusinessesaroundtheworld.
We'vecalledthis a pandemic, eventhoughnotmuchwillchangethewayweapproachthis.
Butwewantyoutowakeup.
Absolutely.
Weknowthatfearcreates a preventionfocusinindividuals, andthatmeansthatthey'regoingtostartactingdifferentlyandlookmoreforwhatcouldsavetheirlifeandthelivesofothers.
Joan, whenyou'rewatching, I don't knowHowmuchtelevisionOrareyouwatchingVandalradioYoulistentoorTwitter?
Nowthere's loadsgoingon, and I readaboutallthemedicalstockononTwitterNanaonthethreadsthatcomeupthereso I'm notisolated, eventhough I'm onmyowninmyhome.
Katiedidjustbrieflybeforewegoto a break, andthisis a bigconcertoutthere.
I justcorrectedreallyquicklyandsayingthat I'm a journalisteconomist.
I thinkwhatwe'velearnedfromwhathasbeenquite a humblingexperienceinmarketsoverthepastfewdays, youknow, tradersandinvestorshavespokenaboutthisBeing a diabolicalexperienceisthatwe'vebeenlookinginthewrongplacesforthenextmarketcrisis.
And I thinkit's a biglessontoinvestorsthatyouhavetolookattherealworldtofindoutwheretherealrisksoandthatincludesthingslikepandemicsandincludesthingslikeclimatechange.
Letmeask a supplementaltothatgreat a tonguelikeonce a worldwhereweflylessandweproducelessandweknowwelivemorelocal.
I canunderstandwhyshedidn't wanttoengagewithit, becauseititjustfeedsthekindofnonsenseconspiracytheoriesthatthisisall a hoaxthat's beencookedupbythekindofGreenBrigade, whichisnotthecaseatall.