It's nearlytwoyearstothedaysinceTheNewYorkTimesandTheNewYorkerpublishedexplosivereportsrevealingthatmorethan a dozenwomenhadaccusedHarveyWeinstein, theHollywoodproducer, offsexualassaultandothercrimesover a periodof a least 30 years.
Andthen I wouldcomeondutyonwewouldworktogetherduringthebusinessoftheday, whichistypicallyfromabout 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. Soit's a longdayintheevening.
I wouldremainbackatthehotel, whichalsodoubledasourofficereadingscripts, sortingoutpaperwork, liningupcallsandthingslikethatandsellthatwouldaccompanyhimtotheeventsofthatevening.
Beer, too, did a dinneror a gardeneroranawardceremony.
Sowhenhegotbackfromthedinnerortheevent, hewouldaskwhichscripts I hadreadandformythoughtsonthosescripts.
Andsowewillspend a lotoftheeveningdiscussingthecontentofthescriptsandwhat I thoughtwasstrongonwhat I thoughtwasnoparticularlystrongonthatseguewadeintomoregeneraldiscussionsaboutmyambitionsforbeinginthefilmindustry, youknow, atthattimewasjuststartingoutinfilms, thathewouldtalk a lotaboutthethingsthat I'd wanttodowithmylifeandfilm.
Who I wasdating, whomyboyfriendwasatthetime, whathisaspirationswere, andsoonandsoforth.
Andso I thinkyouknow, there's a processwheresomeofthediscussionisprofessionalandtodowiththeworkthat I was, therefore, whichisassessingscriptsandyouknow, fairlyquicklytheconversationturnstopersonalondheandalsophysicalbecause, youknow, asweallknow, fromthevariousaccountsofthingsthathavehappenedtopeopleindifferenthotelrooms, therearerequestsformassages.
So, forexample, withrnd a oneofthethingsthatwehadoriginallyaskedforwasthatyoutravelwithtwopeoplebecausethatis a formofprotection, muchinthewaythattwopairsoftightswouldbe.
Sowhathappenedonthatparticularevening?
Andsoitwas a fairlytypicaleveninginthesensethat I wasreadingscripts.
Andwe'rehavingsomediscussionaboutthescriptswhich, youknow, bledinto a discussiononthepersonalnature.
Itcertainlywasn't tosign a settlementagreementortotakeanyformofsettle.
Well, whoadvisedyoutotaketheagreement?
Ourlawyers.
Soitwasofferedbyaloneanovary.
Well, uh, as I'vesaidseveraltimes, wewereprettyyoungatthetime, 24 or 25 ondhe, thegrownupsintheroom, sotospeak.
OrseemedtomakeitveryclearthatouronlypathforwardwantstosignthesettlementagreementonDhe, accept a settlementandgoawayandneverspeakofthisagain.
Andinorderforustobe a kaputthroughsomeoftheclausesthatweverymuchwanttoputthrough, thatHarveyshouldgototherapythatMiramaxshouldputinplacesomeHRombudsmanandsoon.
Itwassuggestedtousthattheonlywaywecouldgetsomeofthisonthetablewasifweagreedtobesilencedandtotaketoaccept a sumofmoneyinordertoneverspeakofthisagain.
I'm actuallysurprisedthatwewere.
Weendedupbeingusheredinto a processwherewewerenegotiating a nondisclosure.
Wefoundourselvesnegotiating a nondisclosureagreementwithoutreallystrongersuggestionfromeitherourlawyersorothermoreseniorpeopleinIraqthatweshouldgotothepolice.
I thinkthefeelingwasreallythatwewouldn't bebelieved.
Wedidn't haveanyphysicalevidence.
Itwas a caseofshesaid.
Hesaid, Shesaidin a hotelroominVenice, Andyouknow, as I'veexpressedinmyopedandithasbeenexpressedinnumerousotherinterviews, youknow, wereallyhadverylittlepowercomparedtothemostpowerfulmaninHollywood, ashewasatthetime.
Andyet, I mean, therewasnowaythatthere's a boilerplate 30 pagesof a verydifficultagreementtoadhereto, andweweren't allowedtokeep a copyofit.
Now, thatisnotnecessarilynormal.
No, no, verymuch, nothighlyirregular.
Andyourlawyersdidn't object.
Well, I thinkthattherewas a feelingthatweverymuchwantedcertainclauseswhich I'd eversizethat, thatwewantedtoputsafeguardsinplacetoprotectotherwomen.
Youknow, forexample, wereHarveytwoassaultsanyoneelseandtosettlewiththemwithintwoyearsofouragreement, itwouldautomaticallytriggerhisresignationfromMiramaxand a reportoftheWaltDisneyCompany, whichissomethingweverymuchwantedinthefirstplace.
SothefeelingwasreallythatInorderforustoputthroughthethingsthatwereallywanted, wehadtogiveupsocertainthingsthatasaswithanynegotiation, But, um, yeah, I thinktheclausethatwecouldn't keep a copythenegotiationisactuallyparticularlydifficulttodefend.
I reallydon't haveanythingtosayaboutthat.
Otherthantherewas a highlevelofparanoiafromHarveySideandfromhislawyersUm, youknow, whenyoulookatcertainclauseswithinthend a ah, losttheKlausisgoingto a greatdetailaboutwhowecanspeakto, whowemaynotspeakto, evenifthere's a courtcase.
I believethatthere's a provisionthatsaysthatififheeverappearedincourtandyouwerecalledas a witness, yousupposedlywants a whenitwassupposedtolimityourremarks, whichseemsrightorinfact, support, ifthatuseoureffortstosupportcoffeesideofthings, I mean, thatcan't belegal.
Well, I thinkquite a bitofAnnieandJayseemslikeitcouldn't belegalum, I wouldsayaboutthe N d A.
LastyearwehadthewomenandEqualitiesCommitteelookintothis, andtheyfoundsomereallydistressingevidencethat n.
D.
A's werebeingusedroutinelytocoverupclaimsofharassmentandas a wayofavoidingreallyinterrogating, investigatingthesediscriminationclaims.
SotheycameoutwiththeSiri's offrecommendationson a lotofthosewerearoundmakingitanoffenceforanIndiaoranemployertostoppeoplefromreportingthingstothepoliceonDheMaurkindofrecommendationsalongthoselines.
Andnowwe'vehadtheBasildepartmentforbusiness, EnergyandindustrialStrategyhasalsolookedatthis, andthey'vecomeoutwith a seriesofproposedrulesorproposednewlawson.
Thoseincludethingslikepreventinganynd a fromstoppingsomeonefromgoingtothepolicefromreportingdiscriminationto a regulatorfrom, youknow, stoppingpeoplefromreportingthesethingsto a healthcareprofessionalortherapists, forexample, ontheywanttoseemoreenforcementorbetterenforcementagainst N.
D.
A's thatdon't subscribetooneofthoserules.
Butsofarthatisreallyjusttalkbecausewehaven't seenanynewruleson a lotofpeoplearecallingitsettle.
Andwhatdoyouthinkaboutthewayinwhichthelawyersbehavedin, Really, inthiscase, I meanherownlawyersaswellas, infact, herownlawyersaswellasElon's.
Yeah, I mean, I think a keythingsayhereisthatwe'retalking a lotaboutthereformof N.
D.
A's.
And I thinkinmanycasespowerfulpeoplehaveusedorabusetheconfusionaroundwhatisandisnotalreadyallowedundertheeightandtheregimetotoabusetherules, basically.
Butitisveryclearwhenyouspeaktomostpeoplethatitisentirelywrongtodraft N e N d A.
Whichwouldpreventsomeonefromspeakingto a therapistpreventthemfromdisclosingthatinformationtoregulators.
Tothepolice, itisentirelywrongtopreventsomeonefromhaving a copyoftheagreementthattheyhavesignedon.
I thinkonethingthatisoftenmisunderstoodaboutNDSistherefrequentlyrequestedbythevictimbecausetheyfeelthattheirmidcareerortheyhavesomekindofreputationtoprotector a careerpathtomaintainon.
I thinkthat a victimofsexualassaultisoftenbeguiledintothinkingthattheycanfindanIndianandessentiallydraw a lineunder a veryunpleasantexperienceandmoveonwiththeirlife.
I canreallyonlyspeakpersonally.
Certainlyattheageof 24 I thought I wasdrawing a lineandabletowalkawayfrom, youknow, a veryunpleasantchapterinmyyounglifesofar.
And I couldsaythatoverthelast 20 years, that's obviouslybeenfarfromthecase.
It's verydifficulttomoveonemotionally.
Itwascertainlyimpossibletofindanotherjobinthefilmindustry, andessentiallyallcareersonouremotionaleyeswerefor a longtimederailedafterthesigningoftheIndia.
So I thinkthesearerepercussionsforusthatwecouldn't foreseeatthetime.
Andhavingheardfromlotsofothervictimsofsexualharassment, yousigned N.
I thinkthat, um, youknow, it's a sortofveryindividualjourney, whetherornottospeakouton I don't thinkthatwecan.
Certainly I don't feel I canjudgewhethersomeoneremainsilentorispreparedtospeakout.
Uh, I thinkifyouareassignedan N D.
A andyou'reonthevergeofbreakingitandyouwanttocomeoutwithyourstory, um, I woulddefinitelysay, Getyourducksin a rowwithliningupyourownpersonalsupportsystem, youknow, makesurethatthingsaresquaredawaywithwithyourfamily.
Youknow, I madesure I wanttomakesurethatthingsweresquaredawaywithmyhusbandandmyChildrenandmyfamilyoforiginbefore I spokeout.