Who's have a good week of those candidates?

Would you say I think we can say that Lisa Nandi has had a good week.

I mean, she certainly had a high profile week.

Think so.

We were just on a pole for labor list by observation, with labels, readers who Labour members.

And she had very low levels of familiarity with her and her policy platform.

I think we can expect that to change.

She did a speech on Monday, her launch speech.

Then she did a speech yesterday on freedom of movement and how.

Actually she believes in actually rebutting those accusations that she's kind of close to blue labour on those sort of anti migration sentiments.

So she's really going for it now and really trying to appeal to Labour members basically and she just at least it is well, as we've got the better of Andrew Neil on the BBC which you don't see exactly and I think I mean it really was a consensus that she had done very, very well and she handled all of his questioning, and brilliantly, I think I mean, that you can disagree with some of her ideas on Dhe.

She did have a little slip up in terms of when she's talking about Scottish Independence movement, and she talked about Catalonia.

So she's released an article today to rebut that.

But I mean, she was impressive, overrule, and she clearly held her own.

Paul, you've endorsed this time.

I didn't need my endorsement.

Presumably, you think he's had a good week with that endorsement.

But what do you think?

I have a look at that?

I think that what we're seeing with the mall is that they're all detaching themselves from the former cells really much Jess Phillips.

You know, the kind of aren't you know, I'll stab you in the front, you know, fuck off to die on Albert complete.

But that's what she said.

Uh, yeah, exactly.

But she's moved.

Just Phillips has moved.

So you should know about Melanie on on her team.

There is an arch.

I mean, so, Lex, it's so Brexit that she was gonna go for a no deal.

At one point, just Felix was her entire entire selling point.

Waas was remaining second referendum.

So I think what's been good is that all the candidates that survive are I'm disappointed, for example, that Clive Lewis had to pull out because he had no no support.

All the candidates have survived a moving, I think, beyond the original base of support they thought they were gonna get.

And that's a sign.

All the fact that while these campaigns they're all ramping up during their GDP our data, the data laws that say you got to do X Y Z reality is finally sinking in.

This was a huge and historic defeat.

It means that going just carry on doing the same thing a bit better, won't work on politicians and not great with intellectuals, not paid to be intellectuals.

But they're having to do some some fast footwork of the mind on get their heads round.

What did it Actually, what actually happened?

Because we're only, you know, finding out through evidence to discussing with each other.

What happened, I think Look, I think our Mr Storm a supporter, I think they've all had a good week.

I'm just disappointed them all doesn't include Clive.

I'm Why you supporting kids, Dharma, Some people would imagine you were a natural.

Rebecca Long, Bailey supported you were a big backer of the Corbin projects for quite a quite a long time.

Well, I certainly you could I wouldn't say it was the architect of Corbin is, um but if I was, I was an architecture was never alone on the building site because by fromthe screenful case on words, which I can no say, don't make my made my blood boil that with a response that they gave to this creep off thing.

I think I I'm saying it in a way from scree Powell, where he failed to nail the national security thing which is so important for all labor leaders right the way through to the shenanigans, with hot over his office failing to implement the line that was agreed on for a second referendum.

In whatever circumstances, I began to feel that the that that there's two.

Let's on.

I'm part of one left which I believe to be open, internationalist, democratically minded on this other left which, you know, you know, is too too soft on Russia too soft on Syria too soft on Dictatorships that they happen to like bad at running the party bureaucratic to the very last moment.

I felt increasingly disengaged from them.

Know if Rebecca Long Bailey had come out and said, You know what, Paul?

I've been feeling something like that, too.

I didn't like the fact that we had wholly unsuitable candidate imposed, who then lost, imposed at the last minute in the in the election, all women short.

This court called here to to annoy this person.

If Rebecca had said, Yeah, I've been feeling like that a long time I thought great.

But instead, what's happened?

The reason I think Rebecca one really took so long for her company to get out of the starting blocks is because they didn't really know what they wanted, because on this is even know why you get some of the officials in the United Union even know talking about switching to Nandi on.

There were even to the last moment for talking about about getting Barry Gardner O'Ryan Lavery to stand because what they want is a red Brexit.

I'm afraid a red Brexit doesn't exist.

Brexit, for me, is a disaster.

I can no longer fight it.

We can fight its effects, but I see Starmer as the inheritor off at its best what the Labour Shadow Covenant was trying to do at its most open at its most engaged with the rest of the party.

And, of course, with reality.

If you go back to we've all been in, the storm account would be the same well, since Lisa Honey said, You know, drop that bombshell on Corbin.

I think yesterday or the day before you know, you really betrayed national security over over script only in the trailer.

I don't think he just did the right line.

It was bad.

We said, Well, what this care say at the time, Lo behold, Starmer was spot on.

On the night he condemned Russia called for sanctions.

He mentioned into Aaliyah that he had represented Alexander Litvinenko's wife in court.

I mean, who hasn't represented over that video video being central, like Zelig to every single discord in there?

But let me make a serious point here.

It's a different kind of left on.

One of my criticism off that sort of Morningstar Unite left in the party is like Blair is, um, it's very chopped down.

Its very prepared to use the bureaucratic methodologies of the party views that starting this recently.

Well, if somebody walks around with a badge of style and on the lapel, it's not an insult to call them Stalinist.

If they celebrate the murder of Leon Trotsky by the GPU, the KGB, as someone that I mind a person in Beckett's team did, then you have to be prepared to say what it is.

And this is not a new thing for me.

I mean, written to entire books, trying to distance the left from that tradition.

Toxic.

Let's come back to some of those things We talked.

You brought up Brexit.

How radical is kids?

Thomas the scene as you listen.

Toe Paul, Do you feel the left coalition that came together around Corbin has fractured on DDE Can?

Could that be fatal for Rebecca Mom Bailey's chances?

But definitely, that's exactly what's happened.

I think Jeremy Corbyn's leadership kind of held all these strands of the labour left together on.

We're obviously once he's gone, you know, we can see on one that's once that vacancy comes up, we can see that people have completely different ideas of how to do labor, politics and howto sell those policies and all the rest of it on the Labour left.

And I think that is why Rebecca on Bailey's campaign has been, you know, so slow to start as well.

From what I understand, you know, there has been a lot of infighting within her camp.

There are there's a left and right within her campaign team.

Even.

There's a lot of factionalism there, and that has contributed her very slow star.

I think we're going to see it kick off now, because momentum I mean, obviously there was a little criticism the way that they did this.

There's no there's no coincidence the fact that John Lanzmann is both chair of Momentum and director of Rebecca Long Bailey's campaign in the way that they've done yes, so So yes.

So Momentum balloted its its members, but it decided to recommend Rebecca Monday in Angela Raina.

Interestingly, that's another interesting decision to its members.

And then the questions put out to the members for 48 hours.

Well, yes, no questions, no.

So the Venezuelan referendum.

What better what home?

What better thing to do to dispel the idea that you installed some way a kind of autocratic centralised bureaucratic, manipulative machine that to do Venezuela style referendum yes or no for the great leader.

I heard that momentum.

We're going about its members.

And I was surprised because I thought, you know, actually, you can overestimate just how factional momentum members are.

And I thought that actually kissed armor would have a very strong showing in that poll.

And then, of course, when I when the news came out of how they were gonna do it means exactly, I think, as a momentum momentum momentum member.

And I joined it because I just thought, I've got to protect this this group from the witch and the level of witch hunting kind of attacks that were going on against it.

A lot of the mainstream media, I think, including Channel four had a big thing about momentum had been ill.

Kill traded should be shut down.

Since then.

I joined because I wanted to show solidarity with quite a diverse group of people, and I'm still a member.

But the problem is that what am I going to do now?

I mean, why I have to do what I'd like to do is form a group of momentum members to campaign for Kira.

My worry about momentum momentum did fantastic work.

I think even its enemies would agree.

It did fantastic work for labor in both elections in this last election.

Technically speaking, it beat conservative central office on its own, with its social media reach.

Maybe no in in in persuasiveness but in technical reach.

I want momentum to carry on doing that on How does it do that if it's endorsed somebody who doesn't win because then what it has to become is an opposition I don't and that could really happen under kids down the left could look could become here.

The force it always.

Here's some more risky, but with more clout here, some ball breaking news.

If Starmer wins, what I wanna do is form a left group that hold him to account and, if necessary, criticizes him on Does what labor leaders find so difficult, which is to think the unthinkable about policy democracy on lots of things that you politicians often don't know what they don't know.

So the point about left group that can say left group I mean a policy making a factional with a small group that carries on what we've done on the Jeremy, which is the left, which is internationalism, which is which is a class struggle.

Yeah, I want all that.

If necessary.

I will do it separately from Starmer, even though I support.

But I've spoken to a lot of people who would've been your natural soul mates over the years were certainly part of the Corbin project at the beginning.

Like you think left organization trying to hold kids stammer to a left agenda will have an awful lot of work to do because he is, they would say they do say he is a Kinnick figure, not Ed Miliband figure.

Even those politics, you could argue, quite admit event, but a Kinnick figure because he is transitional two on even bigger move to the right beyond him.

That's what they say, You know that.

So I don't wantto rabbit on at length about this, but I wouldn't see storm it as any kind of parallel to any of those recent leaders that the person he reminds me of the most is Alexis Tsipras, who ran Syriza who, basically this is the Greek scare.

Some more Labour MPs off, but there's a reason for this.

Look at what shit sippers did.

He systematically took a left force.

Andi confronted them with some very hard news, which is?

Look, guys, you're not gonna win unless you lose some of your doctrine, Airness.

Unless we get some of the expertise from the party.

We've just destroyed the centrist Social Democracy PASOK in Greece.

The parallels there, no exact.

But he was also able, through force of character by kind of representing modernity.

Sort of professionalism.

Sure, I had the privilege to make documentaries.

Where was inside?

As close as I am to you while they're in their version of Turn Downing Street on.

I was actually impressed by the professional professionalism off it on.

That's what I want.

I mean, I can live with Lisa Nandi because I think she's equally professional.

I couldn't Certainly I think Emily Thornberry is equally professional.

I think he just got that thing that allows you to look like you're gonna run a major state in the world.

Do you think a lot of Corbyn Easter's feel their legacy would be intact?

With kids start, we can see his team is peppered with a few names that might give that impression.

What do you think?

Yeah, it's interesting how I mean come back to what you said earlier.

Actually, a lot of the campaign teams are put together in a very careful way.

So Jess Phillips has Melanie on West treating, but also a lot of people's vote campaign staffers on dhe on.

Then there's yes, the case.

Thoma has brought on Simon Fletcher on Cat Fletcher's of these people who were instrumental and Jeremy Corbyn's 2015 2016 successes and his leadership campaign.

So he's got some real experts there would call when I was onboard.

He's definitely signaling, of course.

He also has Owen Smith supporters on his campaign and his own staffers.

People who supported Liz Kendall owns Myth, those kind of people.

So we know that in terms of who he associates with in his home constituency and in terms of the stuff is that he currently has their very much not on the court tonight wing of the party, and I think he will have to build trust if he is going to get those kind of soft momentum type members.

He is gonna have to build trust with them because it's not entirely clear, for instance, at the moment which public ownership plans that he would keep on which ones he would reject his passion about the rail.