In this scene, Frank Hamer, as played

by Kevin Costner, and Maney Gault,

as played by Woody Harrelson, have

come upon the body of Wade McNabb, a convict

that these two guys had paroled in an effort

to follow him and track Bonnie and Clyde.

They found him at his aunt’s house shot and beaten badly

with a baseball bat and dead, and they’re

wondering how complicit they are in this.

This was a Friday night, and it was very late.

And we were all very tired from a long week of work.

And it’s hard when you’re creating rain,

and it’s cold already.

And so in some ways, that inured to our benefit

because this is the low point for Frank and Maney,

and they are tired.

“I never particularly liked the weight of the deciding

who gets to live and who doesn’t.”

If the two of these men together make up one person,

Maney is the conscience.

And he wears his heart on his sleeve.

And ultimately, I think that the movie’s

kind of about the toll it takes on these men’s soul

to have a very terrible gift.

They know how this is going to end,

and it’s going to be violent.

And there will be no cheers.

“It’s never easy.

It’s never pretty.

There’s always blood at the end of the road.

You know that.”

Kevin is very much like Hamer in some ways

in that, in this scene, Hamer is talking about the fame

that Bonnie and Clyde have accumulated

and how it galls him.

And I think in some ways, Kevin

himself is galled by the cult of celebrity, if you will.

And in today’s world, Bonnie and Clyde

would have many, many Instagram followers.

This was one of the last shots, next to last shot,

and I remember we were all kind of sickly.

And I promised Woody that he would only

have to walk one time to the car,

so we timed it out carefully so

that he only had to go once.

And we were at the end of a long day.

And instead of shooting this traditionally,

we got in the backseat, and I just kind of liked

to see the silhouettes and the sides of their faces

and for us to kind of imagine what’s on their faces.

“I had to come.

Though I don’t exactly know why.”

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