Gosh, I don't know, guys I've lost.

It was it wasn't deliberating experience that you hoped it would be.

And if not, why?

Being a stewardess that time?

You didn't know your place as a woman.

Ah, your place is a woman.

Was to be pretty.

Was to be gracious, was to be social, but you didn't have to be too bright.

And my tardy mouth used to give me a lot of drawl.

Uh, because it was fun to zing.

Ah, you'd get the comment.

I can remember when I hit it in my late twenties, our passengers saying to me, for instance, And how long have you been flying?

Because obviously I wasn't 20.

I was 28 and I can remember saying, 08 years and looking at him and say and how you been with your job?

And of course, he was a man of about 60.

And he did not.

He thought that I could see that he was not pleased with my question back.

There was a liberty that one could take, asking a stewardess anything they wanted to.

That's still kind of today, but in a sense, It was even more so then because we were the fly girls we were used to all, Ah, they could not hurt our feelings.

Um, it hasn't totally changed.

But in your own consciousness, when things changed when I saw the, uh, stewardesses at the time making changes, Ah, they were no longer content in being in a box.

They in fact were rebuilding against many of the things that management was dictating.

They in fact war, rebelling against the traditional lifestyle that they grew up in as a as a young girl.

And we're now saying that's not what I want today They in fact, were not only verbalizing it, they were now acting it out.

Some take more extremes and others, uh, some thought it with greater degree than others.

But in all, we all shared this in common, and we would all sit around initially, I talked together our feelings on Well, why are we thought like this?

Is it ever possible for us to become a vice president of this company?

Ah, why are we not being paid the same amount?

And we also knew which is off the subject, that if we were feeling this way we had many black counterparts then we were particularly felt sorry for because they even had it harder than we did.

So there was that element thrown into it that the equal rights brought out all segments of inequality.

And, of course, I I flew with several black flight attendants that were Mavericks.

They were the first flight attendants in the sky, period, so they had a double whammy.

They had a double degree that they were fighting against.

Ah, there was an awareness that things weren't good.

They weren't fair.

They weren't equal.

There had to be changes.

Ah, I too would have burned my community.

That's how you make change.

And I I you know, I am certainly not a terrorist, but I think you have to sometimes do the extremes in order to see some moderation.

If the time we were an extreme, our job was an extreme, uh, nurse's head it very much the same way they if you wanted credibility.

You only talk to the doctor.

If you want credibility about a flight, you talk to the pilot.

What's this female?

No, uh, when we would tell a passenger why we had a delay unless they heard it from the captain.

They I really didn't believe us were dumped.

You know, we're just dumb.

Little female was very much more pronounced then.

Well, I think what women felt and what I in particular was feeling was that I was not alone, that I was the only one going home and in fact, taking a second look at my husband saying, you know, I think I have to short in the stick here.

Ah, I have a right to talk.

I have a right in a conversation When there's a group of us.

My viewpoint is just a salad is yours.

I think we were willing to stand up and get get slug slug it out if necessary to make our point.

No one because we share that amongst ourselves.

That probably gave us the encouragement to continue on that path.

That we weren't alone.

We were all feeling it.

I in particular felt it and I made sure that my husband and I was feeling it.

He wasn't he He couldn't no longer expect me to be as his mother was with his father, because I wasn't gonna do that.

I wanted more.

It didn't make for harmony, but it did make her change.

How did you start to realize this?

Did it manifest itself?

It manifested itself by making me somewhat of an angry person.

It made me angry.

It very possibly could have put a chip on my shoulder.

Ah, I didn't necessarily follow the rules as I always had in the past.

It was it was kind of liberating to know that I could speak out on it.

And I knew that I had lost 50% of the people listening to me if they were man.

But I had also gained on ah ha from the women that were in the room when we spoke about it.

So there was a lot of anger.

It was it had to go to that extreme level.

Uh, there was an edge, and the edge was felt by all.

I don't I don't think that society realized that it was just tip of the iceberg, that it was just starting to my show.

I had an aunt that was very liberated that had worked all of her her life and was very active in female organizations.

And we, even though she was a generation older than I had much in common.

She could relate to me the unfairness of life throughout, and I could view it from today's point of view.

I think the biggest change that I made was not being agreeable with men on a topic.

If I didn't agree, I said I didn't agree.

Uh, I felt that I had every right.

To my opinion, even though it was not a popular opinion in regards to my job, I think that our only recourse in verbalizing it was through our union on an individual basis.

Our supervisors were women, so they understood where we were coming from.

They weren't able to change it, but I think they understood it.

Most of them were X flight attendants or stewardesses.

So there was a definite, uh, understanding.

Uh, I could remember a lady that used to be ahead of the dome missile at that time.

She would always try and get one of her superiors if you were a man to put her point across.

If it were important, because she knew that if she presented the idea in a form of ah board meeting, it would have been turned out and she needed to have the male point of view or the mail giving her point of view, and therefore it could be accepted.

But it's not much different today.

I know you don't want to hear that, but it really isn't, uh, I think have come.

Uh, I think I've come far.

Uh, I have a new husband.

He's not new many years, but, I mean, it's a different husband from the sixties.

Ah, and I think being divorced during that time was part of it.

Um, my husband now off 16 years.

Uh, I no longer I don't have to fight for what I am.

I have to tell you, I'm still doing the female jobs at home.

In addition to, uh, working just as hard.

Kind of tired of fighting for those things.

It's just easier to do him.

And yet he's my present husband.

Future husband.

I don't want to make it sound like that.

Um is a lot different than I think he was when he was 22.

Ah, he's very capable of cooking.

He's very capable of cleaning.

Uh, he knows when I get home, and I'm tired, and he knows I'm really tired.

he will pitch in and do a.

My father wouldn't even know how to do that.

So, yes, we have come a long ways, and yet we really haven't.

We don't have utopia and they're not there ever will be.

I think today that a woman is very productive on the job, very responsible on the job, and she gets home and she is still wife and mother.

I think she's still going home and making sure that she has done the grocery shopping.

She's making sure that there is food on the table and she's making sure that the house is clean.

Do the sixties play a role in your mind in the changes that have taken place in the sixties, prepared me us for today.

Ah, the and I can only judge that by looking at my mother.

My mother is a much more dependent person.

Always has been.

She was not required to be independent.

She was discouraged from it.

Consequently, in her older years, she falls very easy into that dependency of my father.

I doubt that I or my generation we'll do that.

I think that we will be viewed more as an equal.

We have certainly carried the responsibility of being an equal.

And I think man, man I have found is to be good partners.

And I think once you get around to realizing it, we really do work quite well together.

We don't need labels.

Uh, the 60 prepared us for that.

Ah, they were hard, turbulent times.

Excuse me, but they prepared us four.

The two thousands.

Our Children are not being raised as I was raised.

They're much more aware.

Uh, they a little girl does not.

She would be a doctor.

I would encourage my my daughter to be a pilot over a flight attendant.

I would encourage my daughter to be a doctor or a lawyer, possibly even a fireman.

I mean, why not?

But, uh uh, and it's okay.

And you don't lose your femininity by being a in a typical male job.

There is no such thing as a male job today, And yet I read in the paper and it says it.