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  • Welcome to the Joma show, the show

  • where we talk about tips and tricks

  • on how to land a successful career in tech.

  • In this show, sometimes I have guests.

  • Sometimes I don't, like today, I don't have any guests.

  • Most of the time I will not have any guests.

  • Because Silicon Valley people are quite busy.

  • So today we're going to talk about how

  • to land your first internship.

  • And how am I going to talk about this?

  • I'm going to talk about through my lens,

  • through my experiences.

  • Rather than telling you what to do,

  • I'll just tell you exactly what I did.

  • And not saying that's the best way to do it,

  • but I'm sharing my story.

  • After this video, I'm going to talk about

  • all my other internships.

  • For example, how to get internship at Citadel.

  • How to get an internship at LinkedIn.

  • How to transition into data science at Facebook.

  • And then how to transition again into PM at Microsoft.

  • So if you're interested in all those companies,

  • don't forget to press subscribe so that you get notified

  • when those companies come up.

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  • Before I start, I just want to say

  • that I'm not going to tell you, oh yeah, just work hard, do

  • practice questions and stuff like that.

  • The way I got things, it's not 100% merit.

  • I use a lot of my brothers connections.

  • I exaggerated my resume a lot.

  • And I also put projects that I never completed but said I did.

  • To be honest, I don't want my friends knowing.

  • It's embarrassing.

  • Which is why I'm not promoting this channel to them.

  • But I'm telling you guys.

  • Because I want to be fully transparent.

  • Or else, in the end, I'm only going

  • to be talking about vague shit.

  • And I don't want to talk about vague shit.

  • I just want to talk about concrete things

  • on exactly how to get those internships.

  • All right.

  • So let's get started.

  • I'm going to look at my old resume for reference.

  • Because it's been a while.

  • And I don't remember what exactly I did.

  • So as you can see, I wrote a lot of cover letters.

  • That's how I started.

  • But I just want to look at my resume.

  • I think it's this one.

  • I'm not sure.

  • It might be this one.

  • Yeah, that's it.

  • So work experience, I still had no work experience.

  • I worked at McDonald's and Statistics Canada.

  • I just knock on people's doors.

  • Let's see.

  • This sounds about right.

  • Nah, actually, I'm going to take the longer one.

  • Is it this one?

  • I had multiple resumes.

  • So the first thing I learned about getting internship

  • is they told me to make my resume one page.

  • Because they don't have enough time to read all of them.

  • So I have one resume where I just have everything

  • that I've accomplished.

  • And then I shorten it depending on if I

  • want to apply for finance or software.

  • Let me just try to remember what I did.

  • Cool.

  • I think I remember now.

  • All right.

  • My first exposure into programming was CRC Robotics.

  • This is something that I did in high school.

  • It's not really high school.

  • It's Cegep.

  • Because I'm from Quebec.

  • But you don't need to know what that is.

  • CRC Robotics, basically, we had to build robots.

  • And then we compete against each other.

  • And so for example, one of the tests

  • was that you had to program your robot to autonomously do

  • a few things.

  • So that's where programming came along.

  • So that was my first exposure.

  • It was called ROBOTC apparently, the language.

  • It just looks like C++.

  • And then my brother was also graduating

  • from Waterloo, which is the school that I was going to go,

  • University of Waterloo.

  • And then he told me about computer science.

  • He said, oh, you could have this thing called code programs

  • where you could write stuff and then you

  • could input stuff and then output stuff.

  • I thought it was the most boring shit ever.

  • But he told me that you could get pretty sick jobs

  • at Facebook and stuff like that.

  • So then I started learning something

  • called DrRacket or Scheme, which is fucking stupid.

  • Because I don't think any company uses it.

  • So I don't know why I was learning that.

  • But apparently that's the first thing you learn at school.

  • The first course is called CS135 or something.

  • And then I dabble into that.

  • And then I learned about Python and what Python was.

  • So then I was doing Harvard classes online, the really easy

  • ones.

  • OK, they're not really easy.

  • Because I did the first course.

  • I thought it was bomb.

  • And then when it comes to object oriented shit,

  • I'm like, what the fuck?

  • I just couldn't understand.

  • I didn't even pass that level.

  • So I had a very basic literacy of Python.

  • Oh, yeah.

  • True.

  • I have to talk about my school.

  • Because I think that's an important piece.

  • So I went to University of Waterloo.

  • I could tell you how I got in there.

  • But you probably don't need to.

  • Because it's super easy to get into.

  • Waterloo is pretty special in the fact

  • that you have to do five to six internships before you

  • graduate.

  • So they have this system called Job Mine.

  • And you have to apply to jobs using that system

  • every other semester.

  • And it makes getting internships a lot easier.

  • So if you have something like that in school,

  • make sure you take advantage of it.

  • Because that's usually how you'll

  • get your first tech internship.

  • Your first internship is usually the hardest one.

  • Because you have no experience.

  • And you only have side projects.

  • If you have bomb ass side projects,

  • it's going to be pretty easy for you.

  • If you don't, you should do some.

  • You don't need to finish them.

  • To be honest, you could even lie a little bit.

  • But just make sure that when you're

  • asked questions about it, you can answer them fully.

  • So fast forward to a year.

  • It's job fair.

  • I mean, we don't call it job fair.

  • We have some program called Job Mine where you just

  • put your resume, put your cover letter,

  • and send it to companies.

  • Let me show you something.

  • So here's the folder that I use to organize

  • all of the applications.

  • So I had a cover letter for each and every company.

  • It was crazy.

  • It's basically the same thing.

  • But I just changed the name of the company and the reasons

  • why I'm a good fit.

  • I think I got a few responses, maybe 10 responses out of 50.

  • And then out of those interviews,

  • I only got I think two or three jobs.

  • I think one was QA position at some Waterloo company.

  • I don't remember what it was.

  • But it was some basic shit.

  • And then I also got my first internship,

  • which is Scotiabank.

  • So back to my resume.

  • I'm going to tell you how I got that, Well, how

  • I think I got that first job.

  • It's not exactly software engineering.

  • But we did a lot of software engineering.

  • I did a lot of C++ there.

  • I did some VBA coding thing, which is not something software

  • people would do.

  • So not going to lie, the first job I got,

  • it's not best job ever.

  • I mean, Scotiabank, [GAG].

  • You probably don't even know what Scotiabank is.

  • It's a Canadian bank by the way.

  • Not prestigious at all.

  • It's crap to be honest.

  • But the position was quite good.

  • It's called Credit-- no, what was it again?

  • Equity and Credit Derivatives.

  • And I'll tell you a little bit about that

  • and how I got into that.

  • So what Credit and Derivatives-- oh yeah.

  • True.

  • I forgot to talk about this.

  • I was in math and business.

  • I wasn't in computer science back then.

  • I actually wanted to be an investment banker or something.

  • I didn't even want to be a software engineer.

  • Mostly I thought I was going to be and investment

  • banker or a trader.

  • So I was really into finance stuff.

  • And I did two projects.

  • So the first project is Intrade.

  • So Intrade was a website that you could bet on events.

  • So how it works is, for example, if you thought

  • Obama was going to win the election,

  • then you have a marketplace for that.

  • For example, if the price is at $9.00 and you buy at $9

  • and Obama actually wins the election,

  • then it will automatically go up to $10.

  • So it's $0 to $10.

  • So then you would gain $1.

  • If he'd lost the election, it will go to $0.

  • So that means all the money invested, the $9

  • invested, you'll lose it all and it will become $0.

  • So basically it's like a stock market.

  • And then also, my brother told me that, oh,

  • it's actually a binary option.

  • I don't want to bore you with the details.

  • But basically, in a finance world,

  • whatever I was playing with in that website

  • were binary options.

  • And he told me that, oh, do you want

  • to work on a project together, my brother and I.

  • And then I said, yeah, sure, why not.

  • So then he told me, oh, why don't you write

  • a Python bot that trades these options automatically.

  • I didn't really know anything about finance,

  • but then I learned.

  • I learned that you could price a binary option.

  • I just went to Wikipedia.

  • You could Google binary option.

  • And there's something called a Black-Scholes motto

  • that you can you input your numbers

  • and then have a guesstimate on how much it would cost.

  • And usually it would be pretty accurate.

  • So we did that for a couple of months I think.

  • And it was actually a really basic bot.

  • It was terrible actually.

  • There was no try catch errors or whatever.

  • It was pretty shit.

  • But I still did it.

  • And we still made money-ish.

  • So then now I had a pretty good fundamental knowledge

  • on options for trading.

  • And then the second project, I did RITC.

  • This is a Rotman International Trading Competition.

  • It's not technical at all.

  • You have Excel spreadsheets.

  • You write some VBA code to try to facilitate your trading.

  • I basically wrote some VBA macros

  • to facilitate in our pricing of the assets

  • so that we could trade.

  • I did really well on a case that was the options case.

  • So I understood calls and puts.

  • Ooh.

  • It's not a lot.

  • But it's enough to impress them as a freshman.

  • I interviewed for Scotiabank.

  • I also interviewed for other companies.

  • But I'll just talk about Scotiabank.

  • And then what they asked me was, first,

  • they asked me some C++ related questions.

  • Oh, what's object oriented programming

  • and stuff, inheritance, and stuff like that.

  • And then they asked me some linked lists

  • questions I remember I think.

  • And then they also asked me a binary search problem.

  • For example, can you use binary search

  • to find if a number exists?

  • I think they give you an array of assorted number.

  • So first, the easiest solution would be just go linearly.

  • But that would be you have to know your time complexity

  • stuff.

  • So then first to brute force ways is just scan it linearly.

  • And then later on they say can you do it any better?

  • And then that's where you put out the binary search method.

  • And then I think that's it.

  • That's the hardest questions there.

  • So it was pretty simple.

  • Because it's a finance company.

  • They don't ask you hard shit.

  • Next they asked me some call and put options.

  • I think they drew a line, which is the payout line,

  • and then they told me, oh, what combination of calls and puts

  • is that?

  • And can you tell me how to combine them

  • so that your payout option looks like that?

  • Sorry that I'm talking about this.

  • Because it's not really software related.

  • But that's what they asked me.

  • So then I got that question right.

  • And then went home.

  • And then they called me back a week later.

  • And they said that I was the number one candidate for them.

  • And then they wanted to offer me a job.

  • That was great.

  • I got the job.

  • And that's how I got my first internship.

  • So that's pretty much it.

  • Let me see if I forgot anything.

  • Oh, yeah, true.

  • So I guess I did a lot of random shit, too.

  • And I'll tell you things that are

  • iffy that might have helped, but also might not have helped

  • and also that I didn't do but I wrote that I did.

  • So here you could see I got a Facebook Hacker Cup.

  • I wrote annual worldwide program competition hosted by Facebook.

  • Develop problem solving skills through completing

  • their programming puzzles.

  • I didn't even do any of them.

  • I think I did one or two.

  • I got one of them and then I failed the other two.

  • I didn't even make it to the second round.

  • Pygame.

  • I made a stupid ass game using Pygame.

  • I think it was just a ball that runs around and shoots balls

  • at things.

  • And then Google AI Challenge.

  • Oh, that's the worst.

  • I didn't even do that.

  • So basically the Google AI Challenge I remember

  • was as a game of Plant Wars.

  • There was another game like this that you could

  • play for real, not using bots.

  • You have planets.

  • And then you could shoot spaceships onto another planet

  • to capture it if you have more spaceships

  • than the other planet.

  • So you could program a bot to play that game.

  • But I didn't even do it.

  • I think I just downloaded the sample bot

  • and changed a few parameters and just tried it out.

  • But I didn't even know how to run it or test it and stuff.

  • So I didn't even do that.

  • But I still put it in there.

  • And I also had some stupid shit just to fill in my resume,

  • like poker.

  • Because I thought that's for trading.

  • Oh, traders love poker.

  • So I talked about my poker.

  • This is actually real.

  • I'm pretty proud of my poker games and my profit there.

  • I even put my art stuff.

  • I don't know why I put that.

  • Oh, yeah, I guess I have to say that I

  • did get good grades in school.

  • So that might have helped.

  • Waterloo, I had cumulative average of 93.

  • So I was in Dean's honor list.

  • Never be discouraged that your first internship is shit.

  • Because after you get one good internship,

  • all the other big companies will just

  • come knocking at your door.

  • And you just get a shit ton of interviews.

  • So in conclusion, that was how I got my first tech internship.

  • And it wasn't a great tech internship.

  • Because it was a no name tech internship.

  • And it was C++ crap.

  • Code base was shit.

  • Their tech was really bad.

  • But it was my first job.

  • And it led to how I got into Citadel.

  • And I'll talk about that on my next video.

  • Thanks for watching.

  • Don't forget to subscribe if you want

  • to know how I got into Citadel, which

  • I will post next time I guess.

  • Thanks for watching.

  • Peace.

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