kind of took a joyless turn.

Yeah yesterday and today right now

Yeah, well it's amazing well, so here's the strange thing hey, so

I kind of played let's say knight on white horse and

so the Guardian yesterday published a

Astoundingly reprehensible article -

About your book?

No, about the Channel 4 interview. No, they've done some nice interviews about my book

so they've been kind of all over the place with me you know but

the Channel 4 people claim that

Kathy has been targeted with threats, you know?

A torrent of online abuse by internet trolls, it's like 50,000 trolls. You know that's a lot of trolls

You might start thinking maybe they're not all trolls, but in any case

overwhelmed by misogynistic abuse and

threats and that they had called in a security specialist to assess the level of threat and so

It was the beginning of the attempt to twist the story around so that the story became:

Kathy Newman -

poor embattled Channel 4 newscaster was merely trying to do her job even though she might have been a bit provocative

interviewed alt-right hero Dr. Jordan Peterson

in an honest manner to to expose his agenda,

posted the results to YouTube and was immediately

mobbed by his army of

Internet trolls right so she went from - so, my sense is she went from

journalist playing a variety of complicated games to

target of criticism online to

heroine

embattled heroine in the panoply of

martyrs to whom similar things have happened in the past and what's terrible about it -

So, and I inadvertently I would say

contributed to that because

when the Guardian story came out I read it and the story purported to be about the threats that she had received

but really this story because the story opened with the description of me and the description was let's call it far from flattery

you know, it was the same old thing: Dr. Peterson, he's a provocateur. He has an army of trolls if anybody ever

dares to challenge him, let's say, I know all they're doing is honestly

charging the trolls come out and then they have to fear for their lives, and that was that was the story

(that's the narrative now) the threat that threats were just the

prerequisite for the story, and then yeah like a dozen UK news

media sources that the newspapers in particular have picked us this up some

even more critical of me than that some in a slightly more balanced fashion

but and see when the Guardian story broke I tweeted something

I said look if you're-- I've looked at the tweet too are they?

YouTube comments and most of the more merely criticism, but if you're threatening her

well, stop, you know, because

we had an exchange of words, which is what we're supposed to do.

I think this message to your followers was one of the most liked tweet you ever put out. - Yeah,

but here's the terrible thing about it.

You know, what happened was that the fact that I tweeted that was instantly used as

validation for the claim that there were threats and that was just yeah

That's what happened and see it's weird because when I wrote that I thought

Was part of me that thought

that thought that that might happen there was a little warning bell that went off that said look you know

There's no evidence that these threats are credible, and if you respond by

asking people to back off

You're also implying that there are people who who should back off that this is real, and I thought no

I'm gonna do it anyways because

She has been targeted

She has been subject to a very large number of very vitriolic comments

And maybe that's enough and so you know it's okay to come out say that's enough

But the thing it wasn't okay because as soon as I did it

Then the fact that I did it was

Used as proof that all of these claims were valid and now that just floored me like I was very

Distraught, I think is the right word about that this morning because I didn't I didn't see that coming

>Then were there threats against her have you seen them >define threat fresh suffice

There's no threats that were sufficient to get the police involved