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  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: So welcome everybody.

  • I hope you're really excited about this semester coming

  • up, and getting involved with teaching.

  • So I am Professor Cathy Drennan, a professor

  • here at MIT in the Chemistry and Biology Department.

  • And I want to start today--

  • so this workshop is about stereotype, stereotype threat,

  • wise criticism, unconscious bias.

  • And I want to start, because you're going to be teachers,

  • with telling you about my motivation

  • for doing this training.

  • I think she's a chemist.

  • Why is she standing up here telling us about this?

  • So as teachers, it's good to tell your students

  • about your motivation.

  • So what is my motivation?

  • Well, my motivation was-- this a story from a number of years

  • ago, and I was asked to attend a workshop happening

  • at Harvard on increasing diversity in the sciences.

  • And so when you went to register for this workshop

  • they gave you a homework assignment.

  • I thought that was interesting.

  • So my homework assignment was to go to the chemistry department

  • and interview all the undergraduates that

  • were members of underrepresented minority groups.

  • And I discovered at the time, this was a number of years ago,

  • there were two, and both of these students

  • had transferred very recently to other departments.

  • So that was not the best indication,

  • but the students were very interested in talking to me.

  • And I said, I want to hear about your experience.

  • I want to think about what the department could do better.

  • Again, this is an issue from the past.

  • Things are a lot better right now.

  • So I met with these students, and one in particular

  • was just really engaged with me.

  • They're like, yes, I want to help you figure out

  • what's going on, and talking about their experience,

  • and thought a lot about what could have been different.

  • And finally, came up with this thing,

  • and he said, I never had a TA that believed in me.

  • And I just thought--

  • I was not expecting that response.

  • Because I'd been working with TAs at that

  • point for quite some time.

  • And the TAs were really wonderful.

  • They were engaged and excited.

  • And I just thought, somehow the TAs--

  • there had been this disconnect.

  • And I said, well, what did the TAs say to you?

  • What happened?

  • And he thought about it and tried

  • to come up with an example, and then realized,

  • it wasn't what they said, it was what they didn't say.

  • And that just stuck with me.

  • And I thought, his TAs probably had no idea

  • that he was feeling this way.

  • Here was this kid sitting in the classroom thinking,

  • no one believes that I can do chemistry,

  • and no one else was thinking that but him, probably.

  • So I said, we need to talk about this.

  • We need to talk about how we can all

  • have classrooms where everyone can reach their full potential.

  • So that's what this training is about today.

  • We're going to start this discussion, how

  • do we create classrooms where everyone can reach

  • their full potential, where no one's worried, sitting in there

  • really worried, about what someone

  • might be thinking about them.

  • So again, as a teacher, what I'd like to do starting out

  • is give you the take home message.

  • I like to give you the take-home message,

  • tell you what I'm going to tell you,

  • tell you the thing I'm going to tell you,

  • and then tell you what I taught you.

  • So there's a little bit of teacher training mixed in

  • with this workshop as well.

  • All right, so take-home message.

  • So the take-home message is that understanding stereotype

  • threat and wise criticism is essential for being

  • a good mentor, supervisor, and teacher,

  • and helps with being a good human being, I think, as well.

  • So that's the message.

  • And you might think, OK, I'm buying in,

  • but I have no idea what you're talking about with stereotype

  • threat.

  • So let's go there first.

  • All right.

  • So let's look at some definitions.

  • First, let's look at stereotype.

  • So stereotype is a prevalent belief about a specific type

  • of individuals or a way of doing things,

  • which may or may not reflect reality.

  • So most people can think of stereotypes.

  • Stereotypes can be positive or negative.

  • Most people think of negative stereotypes,

  • but actually they can be positive.

  • So an example of a positive stereotype

  • is that MIT students are smart.

  • I've been here almost 20 years, MIT students are smart.

  • That's a positive stereotype.

  • Stereotypes can be based in truth.

  • That is pretty true that MIT students are smart.

  • What about a negative stereotype?

  • What is an example of a negative stereotype?

  • Yes?

  • AUDIENCE: So most people see that jocks

  • are dumb or not so bright.

  • So that's an example of negative stereotype.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: Yes, and in my experience, that's not true.

  • There are a lot of very athletic people--

  • something that some people don't know about MIT

  • is that most people participate in sports here.

  • So yeah, so a negative one.

  • Again, they can be positive, they can be negative,

  • they can be largely true, or not so true.

  • I also want to introduce the idea of unconscious bias,

  • because people are talking a lot about this.

  • And actually, when I started this training,

  • no one was talking about this term, and now it's the term.

  • So let's talk about that.

  • So it's defined as social stereotypes

  • about certain groups that individuals form outside

  • of their conscious awareness.

  • So in other words, they don't know that they

  • hold these stereotypes.

  • Unconscious bias.

  • And I think people like this term

  • because it's takes the pressure off.

  • I didn't know I have it, therefore, I'm not responsible.

  • It's all good.

  • But today, we're really getting in there,

  • and I feel like I've been doing this training for a while,

  • so I've become acutely aware of just how

  • many stereotypes I have.

  • So this is not about, oh, if it were true, freeing ourselves

  • of these things.

  • No.

  • It's about making ourselves aware that we have them,

  • and acting in such a way that we can counter the harm of it.

  • All right.

  • So stereotype threat is the perceived risk

  • of confirming a negative stereotype.

  • So say, as a female driver you do something stupid,

  • and have a whole bunch of men honking at you.

  • Right?

  • You're like, oh, I didn't want to let the world--

  • you feel pressure of doing everything perfectly,

  • because you don't want to play into the negative idea there.

  • All right.

  • So that's what stereotype threat is.

  • And I think stereotype threat is still a good term for it,

  • because unconscious bias threat doesn't really work.

  • OK, so we're back to stereotypes.

  • All right.

  • So what are we going to talk about today?

  • So we're going to talk more about these terms.

  • We're going to talk about the fact

  • that stereotype threat can lead to underperformance.

  • So I'm going to show you data to support this idea.

  • We're going to talk about the fact

  • that stereotype threat can lead to the idea

  • that you're being judged unfairly.

  • Sometimes you might be judged unfairly,

  • and sometimes you're not being judged unfairly,

  • but stereotype threat can lead to that feeling

  • whether or not it's true.

  • Everyone can be a victim of stereotype threat,

  • and everyone has stereotypes.

  • So it affects all of us.

  • We all hold stereotypes, we all can be

  • victims of stereotype threat.

  • This training is really for everyone in the room.

  • And I have to say, this is not just about gender,

  • it's not just about race.

  • It's about anything that might make us feel different,

  • anything that might make us feel under a microscope.

  • If we're different in any way from the others around us,

  • this can affect everybody.

  • So it's for everyone.

  • This is the bad news.

  • What about the good news?

  • There's always good news.

  • There's wise criticism.

  • So this has been shown to alleviate the negative aspects

  • of stereotype threat.

  • So what is it?

  • So wise criticism is criticism where you explicitly

  • let somebody know that they are capable,

  • or you believe they're capable, of a higher

  • level of achievement.

  • And there is data to suggest this goes a long way.

  • Again, if you can create this environment of trust,

  • if the individuals in your classroom

  • feel that you believe in them, you can criticize them--

  • I mean, this is important in Mentoring Lab.

  • Criticism is how we learn.

  • When we don't do well, we learn from that.

  • It's all healthy and good.

  • But we have to make sure that any criticism is delivered

  • in such a way that the person recognizes

  • that we believe in them.

  • Again, back to the student who never had a TA--

  • we need everyone to know that we believe that the person is

  • able to do the work.

  • And so, that is one way to mitigate the negative effects.

  • All right.

  • So I don't know if I told you this ahead of time,

  • but this is an interactive training.

  • So we want everyone to participate,

  • and think about how this has affected me or someone I know.

  • So what we're going to do in a minute

  • is you're going to pair share.

  • Find a group of two or three, and turn to your neighbor

  • and recall a time when you might have

  • felt judged by some superficial characteristic.

  • So it could be age, it could be anything.

  • So think about that or--

  • and maybe and/or, you can do both--

  • you are worried about confirming a negative stereotype.

  • So that's the assignment.

  • Think about it a little bit.

  • You'll talk to your neighbor.

  • I'll give you about five minutes or so.

  • And then we'll come back in a group,

  • and hopefully some of you will feel comfortable

  • sharing your experiences with a larger group,

  • and we can talk about it.

  • All right.

  • So let's take a few minutes, find someone, share a story.

  • AUDIENCE: So do you guys have any experiences like that?

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, so I guess one of mine

  • that I started being really aware of when I started

  • grad school was that I was really worried about being

  • taken seriously as a scientist, if I had a meaningful hobbies

  • outside of work.

  • AUDIENCE: So I guess for me, when I came to MIT,

  • I was really scared by the fact that there were

  • few people that looked like me.

  • And so, that put like a lot of pressure on me,

  • and I felt that I had to carry a whole race on my back.

  • And also, I can remember one meeting

  • that I had with one of the professors,

  • and she was telling me that, I know

  • that you come from a small college,

  • and that your classmates are going

  • to be from Berkeley and Harvard, and so it might be

  • right for you at the beginning.

  • And I feel that really, really impacted

  • how I performed in some of my classes,

  • and I wish that I had never had that conversation.

  • So, yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, being from a smaller school was harder.

  • I was also from a smaller school,

  • and in classes I was always thinking--

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, yeah.

  • Can I perform as well as other people?

  • AUDIENCE: As well.

  • Mm-hmm.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: And then being told that you might not.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • So yeah, so you question yourself.

  • Sometimes you feel like you don't really belong here.

  • And so, yeah, it can be hard for some people.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, I had a very similar experience to yours.

  • I was directly told that students from Puerto Rico

  • don't really do that well in first year classes.

  • And so, when I while I was never doing terribly in class,

  • I felt like I didn't have to necessarily do well at all.

  • So I would actually not try as hard as I should have too.

  • Just do well.

  • AUDIENCE: Because that's what they were expecting, right?

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • I think the other problem--

  • I've heard many people that have had the same experience.

  • So it's sort of like--

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, I wish that some of the professors

  • would understand that they're not generally helping you

  • when saying these things.

  • And maybe a training like this wouldn't help them a lot.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, because were they trying to-- they're

  • coming from a place of trying to help you.

  • AUDIENCE: I think internally--

  • yeah, I think their intention was to help,

  • but I think it's just--

  • AUDIENCE: Misguided.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, it's true.

  • AUDIENCE: So a time that I was worried

  • about confirming a negative stereotype was when I first

  • started graduate school.

  • I was coming from a primarily undergraduate institution.

  • I had never been at a big research university.

  • And so, I didn't really know what to expect

  • or what I was getting myself into.

  • And I guess, when people first explained to me

  • what the expectations were in terms of how much I should

  • work, and what vacation policies were,

  • the first time they told me I literally laughed out loud.

  • I didn't think they could possibly be serious.

  • And then I realized, whoa, I might be in over my head.

  • And once I realized that, I was like, oh, man.

  • People are going to think that I'm not serious about my job,

  • and I don't know what I'm doing.

  • So I had to pretend all of a sudden

  • that I was all focused on science, because I didn't want

  • people to think that I wasn't taking it seriously

  • because of my background.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, no, I feel the same way coming to MIT.

  • Especially, coming in for me, confirming

  • the negative stereotype, also just being

  • judged for my physical attributes as a woman of color.

  • I feel like there's a lot of stereotypes, negative, around

  • my ethnicity and my race.

  • And one of the things that I heard a lot of times

  • it's the idea that, you speak well,

  • or you're articulate for a black woman.

  • And this is not only my story.

  • I've had a number of my colleagues

  • say the same thing to me.

  • So it's something that's just constantly being battled

  • against a negative stereotype.

  • And also this idea that coming in--

  • a combination of my, I like to call

  • it an intersectionality of all my personalities

  • and all my identities.

  • So I'm a woman of color.

  • I am from the Caribbean.

  • I went to a small school, but I'm not only

  • just a small liberal arts school,

  • I went to a small HBCU, which is a historically Black college

  • and university.

  • And I feel like all those combinations also mix.

  • Get into a classroom, and being one

  • of the only persons of color makes

  • me feel extra pressure for confirming

  • these negative stereotypes that are thought

  • against people of color.

  • So in the classrooms I try not to ask questions,

  • because I don't want to out myself

  • as not being smart, or not as much as my other colleagues

  • who might have went to bigger schools,

  • and have had targeted classes on this particular subject,

  • for example.

  • So it's been definitely the idea of being the "face of the race"

  • also, because you don't want to spoil it for other people who

  • come along.

  • So it's been a little bit like you

  • feel like you have to not ask questions,

  • you're not out yourself.

  • Anything you say might prove that negative stereotype,

  • and it's a lot of pressure to do.

  • So yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, totally.

  • AUDIENCE: I can't necessarily relate to your experience,

  • but the flip side of the coin on that is I

  • do have one sliver of an experience

  • where I kind of feel like I can relate

  • to what you're talking about.

  • And that's when we're having conversations about diversity,

  • I feel like I don't want to say something

  • that might sound ignorant, or naive, or uninformed.

  • Because I feel like if I end up saying something stupid

  • and offending someone, I set the conversation back a step,

  • and then I end up confirming the stereotype

  • that all white men don't care about improving diversity

  • in science.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, well, that's very understandable.

  • And I feel like it's very crippling too,

  • because he might have really good experiences that you want

  • to share, and good contributions that you

  • could make in that sense.

  • And you can't do it because of that negative stereotype.

  • You're really confirming that.

  • So it's definitely very crippling.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, I think it is detrimental to the whole cause,

  • because it takes everybody, right?

  • AUDIENCE: It does, it does.

  • AUDIENCE: For all participating.

  • AUDIENCE: It is.

  • AUDIENCE: OK, so I think--

  • let me see.

  • Thinking about a time when I felt

  • judged about a negative stereotype.

  • So I'm pretty short.

  • I don't know if you noticed when I walked in, but I think that--

  • and I look pretty young.

  • My sister's two years younger, but I'm always

  • considered the younger sister, and I

  • think that that's led me to always

  • be really afraid of confirming that women are weak,

  • or not able to do things on their own.

  • So I'm very conscious of not asking for help

  • with certain situations.

  • If I can't reach things or things like that,

  • I know where all the step-stools are.

  • Or I've been known to climb on shelves in grocery stores

  • instead of asking for help.

  • And it's one of those situations where I'm very much afraid,

  • and I often lead with the fact that I have a black belt

  • in Taekwondo to kind of help paint

  • this picture that I actually can do things for myself.

  • So, yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: I feel that, because I'm

  • literally the same way, including the black belt.

  • (LAUGHS)

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: It's one thing I lead with.

  • AUDIENCE: It's something that kind

  • of shocks people, because they're like, oh, you're

  • so little.

  • I don't know.

  • I feel like I'm always so worried about the fact

  • that just because I'm so little--

  • and I've always been this little,

  • it's not like I was the tallest person in my class--

  • that I need to be able to show that I can take care of myself,

  • and be independent, because of this stereotype that women

  • can't, and need a man to make sure

  • that things are OK for them.

  • So, yeah.

  • That's where I'm at with that.

  • AUDIENCE: Oh, I'm sorry.

  • AUDIENCE: It's OK.

  • I can't get taller.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, well, when I was six years old,

  • I actually used to race cars.

  • And I remember there was a day when

  • I should've gotten second place in a race,

  • but because the three boys in front of me

  • crashed right before the end of the race, they gave me fifth,

  • because they were in second and third and fourth

  • before the flag went down.

  • But then I crossed the line first,

  • so I should have gotten second.

  • Anyway, after this whole situation is over,

  • one of the boys came up to me and was like,

  • oh, well, you're a girl.

  • Of course you can't get second place.

  • And I was like, excuse me?

  • Yes, that was over 20 years ago.

  • AUDIENCE: And that was when you were six.

  • AUDIENCE: That was when I was six.

  • AUDIENCE: How old was the--

  • AUDIENCE: I think he was seven.

  • So, yeah.

  • It's still there.

  • So, yeah.

  • Good times.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: All right.

  • Let's come back as a group.

  • There was a lot of good discussion.

  • I can't wait to hear what you're going to say.

  • But I thought I would start out by sharing a story

  • to get us going.

  • So in the first category, a time that you were judged.

  • So I think back to a time when I was

  • graduating from Vassar College.

  • These are the old days, where if you announced who got an award,

  • they'd post a piece of paper in the student union.

  • There was no email thing to send out to people.

  • And so, everyone gathered around the list

  • of people who had been named Phi Beta Kappa.

  • And I was really excited that I had been named Phi Beta Kappa.

  • And so, I'm leaving after having looked at the list,

  • and I saw someone who I hadn't really

  • talked to since freshman year.

  • He was in my dorm, and it was one of those things

  • like freshman year, where the entire floor of your dorm

  • like goes everywhere together.

  • You go to the dining hall together,

  • you go to parties together, because there's

  • this herd effect.

  • Anyway, this guy Phillip had been in my herd,

  • but I'd never actually talked to him.

  • So he walks up to me and he looks at me, and he said,

  • you were on that list.

  • And I said, yes.

  • And he just looks at me, and then he said,

  • it never occurred to me that you were smart.

  • [SOFT LAUGHTER]

  • I mean you could just see the wheels turning

  • like, her name is on the list!

  • Her name is on that list!

  • She's smart?

  • And I just thought like, what did I do that this was such--

  • It's like, oh, whatever.

  • If they saw it, they might not have ever thought

  • about it one way or another, but clearly, he

  • had formed an extremely strong opinion that there was no way

  • that I could be smart, and this was just

  • messing with his worldview, the fact my name was on the list.

  • So what was it about me that was just

  • so inconceivable to this person that I could be smart?

  • OK, so in the second category, pretend you're at MIT.

  • In the Chemistry Department at the point where I was coming up

  • for tenure, there was one female professor

  • who had gotten tenure, and then they

  • had hired two more in with tenure.

  • So I was number two.

  • Case study.

  • Would she get tenure?

  • And I felt like they were all watching.

  • Is she going to meetings?

  • How many papers has she published?

  • Is she going to make it?

  • What do you think?

  • Lay in the bets.

  • What are the odds?

  • I don't know.

  • There probably were odds.

  • I don't know what they are.

  • I never want to know.

  • But I just felt like, man, my not getting tenure

  • it's not really about me anymore.

  • It's, can women get tenure?

  • And it was all riding on my shoulders.

  • I was going to provide the answer,

  • and people would make decisions about their lives,

  • I was afraid, based on whether it worked.

  • Oh, it didn't work for her.

  • I'm not sure I want to go forward.

  • That is a lot of pressure when you

  • feel like you're carrying other people besides yourself around.

  • So that's an example for me.

  • All right.

  • So you don't have to have as profound examples,

  • but everyone has some Phillip in their life, right?

  • Has somebody like that.

  • So let's hear.

  • Who wants to share about this?

  • Yeah?

  • AUDIENCE: So in addition to being a scientist,

  • I'm also a musician, and when I got to grad school

  • I felt really insecure about having this hobby,

  • and thought that I might not be seen as serious of a scientist

  • because I like to play music as well.

  • And so, I downplayed my hobby, and didn't join ensembles

  • as much.

  • But even then, when I started in grad school

  • participating in an ensemble, I was

  • really worried I'd confirm the stereotype

  • that just because I was also a musician,

  • I was less serious of a scientist.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: Yeah, thanks for bringing that up.

  • I think that's a really great example.

  • So it's just we have these ideas,

  • and it's like we have these square holes and round holes,

  • and we're trying to bat everybody into it.

  • There's many different things that people

  • can do if they're scientists.

  • There's many different hobbies and other interests

  • that they can have, and we shouldn't

  • have such a narrow definition.

  • So someone else?

  • I heard lots of discussion going on.

  • Yeah?

  • AUDIENCE: So in terms of being judged

  • by someone for a superficial characteristic, as an African--

  • Afro-Caribbean I should say--

  • woman in the scientific setting, I feel like one thing

  • I get a lot is that, you speak very well.

  • And usually I'm like, for?

  • Why?

  • But I think it's definitely I'm clearly a minority,

  • so basically there's some negative stereotypes

  • about whole women of color should present themselves,

  • and I don't fit in to that stereotype.

  • So every time I do give a talk or I do express my opinions,

  • people say I'm very well-spoken.

  • And this is not only my own case.

  • I've heard a number of my friends

  • say the same things, even sometimes from their advisors

  • and people who have gone through a lot of students.

  • So that's one case where I feel like I've

  • been judged superficially for a superficial characteristic.

  • Another thing of confirming a negative stereotype

  • also comes back to my ethnicity.

  • You mentioned feeling like you carry the weight of persons

  • on your back, and thinking about being,

  • again, an African-American woman, most of the time

  • the only one in a room.

  • Not today.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • That's great.

  • But most of the time it's being the only one in the room.

  • And especially coming from a small college,

  • I also felt coming into my first chemistry classes,

  • there was this pressure that I put on myself to not

  • confirm these negative stereotypes about people

  • of color in terms of that they're not smart,

  • or they're not good at math or science,

  • and I didn't belong there.

  • And it's not because people around me said anything.

  • It was definitely internal that I

  • felt like I had to not answer a question,

  • or not ask a question because I didn't want to look as if I

  • didn't know something, or all my classmates

  • knew it and I didn't know it.

  • So it's that weight of one, not confirming

  • that negative stereotype, and also not spoiling it

  • for everybody else who comes after me

  • who is a URM from an HBCU.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: Yeah.

  • Those are both really great examples.

  • Thank you for sharing those.

  • I think that really gets to the heart of what

  • we're trying to talk about.

  • Feeling judged, and you get these compliments--

  • and I've gotten this for some of the talks.

  • It's like, that was actually pretty good!

  • What was your expectation ahead of time?

  • Or, you spoke well!

  • Like, thank you.

  • Yeah, and that extra pressure to--

  • who else is coming along with us?

  • So thank you for sharing those.

  • That's really great.

  • Maybe one more.

  • Does someone else have something you want to share?

  • Yeah?

  • AUDIENCE: When I participate in conversations

  • about improving diversity in science,

  • a lot of times I'll worry that if I ask an uninformed question

  • or make a naive suggestion that I'll set the conversation back

  • or offend somebody, and ultimately

  • confirm the stereotype that white male scientists aren't

  • serious about improving diversity in science.

  • So then I'll tell myself, just sit back

  • and listen to other people.

  • And then as soon as I start doing that,

  • I'll start to worry, how are people perceiving this?

  • Do I look sullen and like I don't care about this?

  • And then, again, I worry that I'm

  • confirming a different stereotype

  • about white men in science.

  • [SOFT LAUGHTER]

  • So I think ultimately, it's important for me

  • to remember that my voice is overrepresented in science,

  • and I should make a concerted effort to actively listen

  • to other people's perspectives, but also

  • recognize that by spending so much mental energy worrying

  • about how other people might be perceiving me,

  • I'm ultimately undermining my own ability to make

  • a positive contribution towards improving diversity in science.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: Thank you for sharing that.

  • I think that's a really good point.

  • I've had people, when I've done this training before, a man say

  • that he felt very much under sort of stereotype threat

  • when he was taking a woman's study course,

  • and he was the only guy in the class.

  • And that sometimes he felt like if he spoke up

  • and what he said, that he was going to really

  • be judged by it, and it was just a very uncomfortable situation.

  • And I really feel like what we want to do here

  • is start the discussion.

  • Everyone's voice is so important.

  • And sometimes it drives me crazy when

  • I'm hearing about women in science, it's like, OK,

  • you, woman, go fix this.

  • It's like, I can't do this.

  • I think we all need to be talking about this

  • and doing this together.

  • These problems are not problems for women to solve,

  • or for people of color to solve.

  • We want to improve science.

  • We all need to be part of this discussion,

  • and everyone's voice is so important.

  • So we want to have a situation where everyone feels

  • like they can speak, and everyone

  • is going to listen to what other people have to say.

  • So very on point.

  • Thank you very much.

  • All right.

  • So I think we should get back, and we

  • want to go back because I have some data to show you.

  • And this is MIT, and we're scientists,

  • so let's look at some data.

  • All right.

  • So there is a book by Claude Steele called

  • Whistling Vivaldi, and Other Clues as to How

  • Stereotypes Affect Us.

  • Claude Steele is often viewed as the father of stereotype

  • threat, really coming up with this concept

  • and making people aware of it.

  • And his book has a lot of data in it.

  • A lot of different studies.

  • He summarizes studies that many different people have done.

  • So some of the studies are more social studies, some of them

  • are more in the neuroscience area.

  • So some studies that he describes actually

  • look at brain waves and blood flow in the brain.

  • And so, they will put people under stereotype threat,

  • and there's a variety of ways you can do it,

  • poking at those negative stereotypes

  • that we talked about, and then actually watch blood flow

  • or brain activity.

  • And you can see movement from the part of the brain

  • where it's about logic and reasoning,

  • to, when people are under stereotype

  • threat, the part of the brain that's about fear, about fight

  • or flight.

  • And so when you're in the classroom,

  • the goal is all the students their brain is with logic,

  • right?

  • They're processing the information

  • and they're learning.

  • You don't want people in your classroom

  • where the brain is very anxious, and worrying about

  • whether you belong and whether you can do it.

  • So there's an actual biological reason why stereotype threat

  • can lead to underperformance.

  • Your brain's not doing what your brain should be doing.

  • It should be in the logic area, not in the fear area.

  • So this is one thing that's talked about in his book.

  • So anyway.

  • So some of the studies that he did,

  • it was groups of female undergrads.

  • Stanford quite a good school.

  • People who get in there, very smart people.

  • And so, he looked at the SAT scores of a group of women,

  • and then he divided them into two groups.

  • And they should have equal math abilities

  • based on their SAT scores.

  • So for one group, he either reminded

  • them of their gender before the exam, and in some case,

  • didn't say anything at all.

  • But in the second group, he told them

  • that the exam had no gender bias.

  • And so, he would start out saying,

  • well, you may have heard that women often underperform

  • on SATs in the math, but we've been working here,

  • and we've created a math exam that

  • has no gender bias, so everyone can do up

  • to their full ability.

  • There's nothing holding you back.

  • And what was really interesting that this group performed

  • very well compared to the other group that was either reminded

  • of their gender, or sometimes nothing

  • was said about gender at all.

  • So when these women thought that they

  • could do as well as they could do,

  • they over-performed or outperformed the other group.

  • So there's a number of these kinds

  • of studies done in different ways

  • showing again that if you feel like you

  • can reach your full performance, you get there.

  • But if you're reminded of these issues,

  • and that you might be confirming a negative stereotype,

  • or you're worried about confirming

  • a negative stereotype, it can lead to poor performance.

  • All right.

  • So stereotype threat can lead to underperformance,

  • which is a problem in a classroom, for sure.

  • The other point that I brought up before,

  • and I want to come back to, is that it can also

  • lead to a feeling of being judged unfairly.

  • And this is one of my favorite studies,

  • and it's back from the 1980s.

  • So in this study they said, all right, we

  • want to address the differences-- how people

  • are treated if they have some kind of physical disfigurement,

  • in particular, a scar on your face.

  • So he said, what we're going to do

  • is we're going to bring in a makeup artist from Hollywood,

  • they're going to put a scar on your face,

  • and then we're going to send you into this room

  • and we're going to watch the interactions.

  • And we want you to tell us, are you

  • being treated differently because you

  • have this scar on your face?

  • So the volunteers sat in front of the mirror.

  • They had the makeup artist come and this scar

  • was put on their face.

  • And then right before they were supposed to go in,

  • the makeup artist came back and said,

  • we're just going to touch it up, make sure you're ready to go.

  • They removed it entirely, but the person had no idea.

  • They thought that the scar was still on the face.

  • Went into the room, there was a discussion, came out.

  • The volunteer said, oh, I was treated entirely differently

  • with this scar on my face.

  • And other people had watched.

  • There was nothing going on.

  • But they were just sensing--

  • they were looking for signs that they

  • were being treated unfairly.

  • And when you look for things, sometimes you

  • can find them or interpret them, when they don't really exist.

  • So right now, some people are sitting,

  • might have their arms crossed a little bit.

  • And if I were an insecure person, I could say,

  • that person's sitting there is thinking

  • there is nothing this woman has to tell me that I want to hear.

  • And they just are sitting like that.

  • But then I also know it's a little cold in this room.

  • Someone might just be a little bit cold,

  • and that's why they're sitting like this, right?

  • You can interpret all sorts of things.

  • If you're looking for a sign that somebody is questioning

  • you, you might be able to find it even when it's not there.

  • And sometimes it's really there.

  • Sometimes people are judging.

  • Oh, yeah.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • We can have stories later.

  • But sometimes they're not.

  • So I just want to give you one example.

  • So this is the other counter--

  • a guide to reducing stereotype threat

  • and maximizing student performance, also

  • a guide to Cathy's most embarrassing moments.

  • But there was one time I was meeting with a professor,

  • I was pre-tenure.

  • Again, I wanted to get tenure.

  • Very nervous about this whole thing.

  • And so, this person in my field, likely a letter-writer,

  • is coming to my office.

  • And I was really excited.

  • So I was like, I had results that he was going to like.

  • I knew he would like these results.

  • I printed him out, like these slides.

  • I had everything all ready.

  • I thought through my spiel.

  • I was psyched.

  • He he came.

  • And so he came in, he's like, I'm

  • so glad you're here visiting.

  • This is great.

  • I have these new results I want to show you,

  • and I pull this out.

  • And he goes, you know, I was sort of wondering,

  • how's your experience been here?

  • I was like, good, good.

  • Very good.

  • Now, we had this result--

  • and he's like, but I had some questions.

  • Do you feel like you've been treated OK?

  • 30 minutes went by.

  • He did not look at a single result that I had.

  • And I just thought, this guy has just

  • decided that there is no result that I could possibly

  • have that would be interesting enough to pay attention to.

  • And so, he's just going to spend this half hour chatting

  • about this and that, and things about me being a junior faculty

  • member, whatever, and just clearly disrespectful of me.

  • So that was my take.

  • Find out later he has a son that's starting as an Assistant

  • Professor.

  • He wants to give his son advice, but he hasn't been an Assistant

  • Professor for a long time.

  • Things have changed.

  • So he said, when I go to talk to Cathy Drennan,

  • I'm going to ask her a lot of questions

  • about being an Assistant Professor,

  • because she has been so hugely successful that I

  • want to take how she's done things

  • and tell my son about it.

  • So I could not have been more wrong.

  • I thought he was judging me unfairly.

  • Turns out, that was not the case at all.

  • And so, because other people--

  • I've one male professor explain to another male professor

  • my data without involving me in the discussion,

  • because what could I possibly know about it?

  • So I've had these experiences, but then I'm

  • looking for these experiences in other places,

  • and sometimes they're not there at all.

  • Sometimes a person is being respectful.

  • So when you feel like you're under stereotype threat,

  • you can sometimes take a situation entirely incorrectly.

  • Now, he could have also said, hey, Cathy,

  • you've been so successful.

  • Let me ask you questions.

  • That could have-- but whatever.

  • Whatever.

  • So I think this is something also

  • to think about, that people are looking to each other like,

  • do you trust?

  • Do you believe in me?

  • Do you trust what I'm going to say?

  • We're trying to get a sense of this.

  • And sometimes we may get it wrong,

  • and sometimes it may not be there,

  • but everyone in the classroom is not the same.

  • Even if you treat everyone the same,

  • they're not always the same, because people

  • are coming in with baggage.

  • And I've got baggage, let me tell you.

  • I got some baggage.

  • I'll put my baggage up against your baggage,

  • but everyone is coming in with something.

  • All right.

  • So I think you already know the answer to this one.

  • Who can be a victim of stereotype threat?

  • ENTIRE AUDIENCE: Everyone!

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: Yes, everyone.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • In fact, studies show that it's the strongest students that

  • are the most affected.

  • So if you care about what people think of you,

  • if you care about doing well, if you're ambitious,

  • if you want to do important things in your life,

  • you care about these kinds of things.

  • And if you're at a place that has

  • a good reputation, like MIT, that

  • can lead to imposter syndrome.

  • So most you've probably heard of imposter syndrome

  • before, but this idea that somehow

  • you were only accepted to MIT--

  • your name is like someone else, and they

  • weren't going to accept you.

  • But then they made this mistake and then somehow you got in,

  • said the person who was below you in the line when

  • they were supposed to get in.

  • And that everyone else here is brilliant except for you,

  • and someday that people are going

  • to figure out that you're trying to look like a nerd--

  • or a horse.

  • You know, you've got your horse stockings on

  • and your horse cape.

  • Or your zebra cape and your zebra

  • stockings, but you're not really a zebra.

  • And that you're wearing your nerdiest clothes,

  • but you're really not an MIT nerd.

  • So this is something that so many people at top universities

  • are affected by, and this is really important

  • when people are, again, under stereotype threat.

  • They're feeling like, man, I'm the only one who doesn't really

  • belong here.

  • So imposter syndrome.

  • OK.

  • Another teaching tip, because you'll all be teaching.

  • Before you teach on something, look up

  • what it says on Wikipedia.

  • Just double check what it says.

  • So what do you think Wikipedia says

  • of the people who are most affected by imposter syndrome?

  • What particular group?

  • Any guesses?

  • Men?

  • AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • Graduate students.

  • Someone has been googling Wikipedia.

  • That is, in fact, correct.

  • So a lot of people say, oh, it's women.

  • But the data actually shows that men and women suffer equally,

  • which is not really my experience.

  • I think that if this is true, it's just that women talk about

  • it all the time and men don't.

  • But apparently, the data shows that it's

  • equal among men and women.

  • And it is commonly associated with academics

  • and widely found among graduate students.

  • So again, it's people who want to do

  • important things with her life.

  • Graduate school.

  • Anyone who's in graduate school--

  • that's a pretty big deal that you're in graduate school.

  • So you really you care about what people think.

  • You care about whether you belong.

  • You're thinking, how did I end up in graduate school,

  • how did I end up at MIT, and do I really belong here?

  • So these are natural things for people to think.

  • And I will tell you that a number of faculty

  • have reported that yes they suffer from imposter syndrome.

  • I think anyone who is honest will say that they do.

  • So this is a big problem.

  • All right.

  • So let's do another exercise.

  • You might have wondered about the title of Claude Steele's

  • book that I mentioned, Whistling Vivaldi.

  • Where does that title come from?

  • So he explains the title, which is a good thing,

  • because it is an unusual title.

  • So he said that it comes from a story

  • that he heard of this young African-American man who

  • was in the South Side of Chicago,

  • and this man was a musician.

  • And he was walking one night, and there

  • was an elderly couple walking on the street right near him.

  • And they saw him walking near them,

  • and he saw them walking faster.

  • And they were an elderly couple, so they were really

  • trying to walk fast.

  • And he felt kind of bad because they were kind of old.

  • And so, he wanted to kind of yell out at them,

  • you do not need to worry about me.

  • I'm not going to do anything bad to you.

  • But yelling that probably would be even more terrifying.

  • So we thought about it and he said,

  • I'm going to start whistling Vivaldi,

  • actually whistling the music of Vivaldi.

  • And so, he started whistling the music and the couple

  • slowed their pace, because they thought,

  • this is someone who is classically trained

  • or loves classical music.

  • Not so much associated with someone who's

  • going to steal my handbag.

  • And so, they relaxed.

  • So in this book, Steele asserts that we all whistle

  • Vivaldi from time to time.

  • We all try to fit in and make other people more

  • comfortable with us.

  • So this is a little bit of a harder thing to think about.

  • Have you ever whistled Vivaldi?

  • Have you ever tried to fit in?

  • And let me just give you an example that I heard

  • to help you think about this.

  • So one student said that he was actually

  • from a very religious family, and he

  • was used to praying before eating a meal.

  • But in the lunch room of a science building somehow

  • that felt weird to pray before eating.

  • A lot of people have this idea that if you're

  • very religious that somehow that's

  • counter to being a scientist, because you have

  • faith vs. Scientific facts.

  • And he wasn't sure how people would judge him if they

  • knew about his religion.

  • So even though he really did want to pray,

  • he stopped doing it because he just

  • thought he wouldn't fit in.

  • It would make other people feel uncomfortable.

  • He wasn't sure how others would feel,

  • and if they would accept him the same way as a scientist

  • if he prayed before a meal.

  • So that's an example of whistling Vivaldi.

  • So think about it for a minute.

  • Find your partner.

  • Talk to them about whether this has ever happened to you,

  • and then we'll come back together

  • as a group in a few minutes.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, so when I think about whistling Vivaldi,

  • for me, the point where I feel like I'm really

  • changing or trying to conform to an appearance

  • is pretty much any time after 9/11.

  • When I go through the airports I'm

  • always conscious of what people might be thinking about

  • based on my skin color.

  • And so, when I go through, every day right before I travel,

  • I shave my beard off.

  • I try to be dressed up a little nicer.

  • And I even feel myself being a little extra friendly

  • to TSA gate agents, because I feel

  • like there's this negative stereotype hanging over me.

  • And I feel like even though it's on my mind,

  • and it feels sometimes like it might be on everybody else's.

  • I feel like maybe my ID's looked at a little differently,

  • and things like that.

  • So I make sure they can hear my American accent,

  • make sure they don't see any facial hair.

  • Things like that.

  • I try to be extra nice, extra polite.

  • Just feeling a little more nervous, I think,

  • is really the cause of that as well.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, that's really good example.

  • AUDIENCE: Mm-hmm.

  • AUDIENCE: Mine would be in professional settings,

  • especially at conferences or any presentation of some sort,

  • I try to cover my tattoos the best way I can.

  • And I also have a nose ring, and so sometimes I

  • would wear like a clear nose ring

  • so people only if they're really up close to me

  • can see that I have one.

  • And that's just to mitigate any stereotype threats

  • that people have.

  • Because you walk into a room and you

  • have tattoos visible, or your piercings,

  • especially on your face, and that

  • can lead people to think differently about you

  • and what you're capable of doing.

  • And so, I just want to lessen that

  • and have people look past that.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: I think that's a really good example.

  • I mean, it's all the same thing, is we

  • feel like our appearances are telling something,

  • and we're really worried that the message is

  • going to be negative there.

  • AUDIENCE: OK.

  • So when have we whistled Vivaldi?

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • I think I especially do it whenever

  • I'm with friends and family.

  • So since English isn't my native language,

  • but I feel like I can speak it pretty well,

  • so then whenever I go back home, my friends and family

  • don't always speak English, I actually

  • intentionally mispronounce certain words just

  • to keep that connection with them.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Since I've been gone for like a few months,

  • and seeing me every so often, I just

  • want them to feel like I'm still the same me I was.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: And then when I'm here,

  • I always try to pronounce everything super well,

  • so that's not an issue when someone's talking to me.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] similar?

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, so I guess for me,

  • one of the big things about grad school

  • was that I sometimes felt pretty isolated as one of very

  • few women in our department.

  • And so, over time, I realized I started dressing more and more

  • like a man, to fit in and to be taken

  • more seriously, and just so that I didn't

  • have to feel as different.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • So, yes, like with that, I feel like I've always

  • wanted to be who I am, and I don't want to be somebody else.

  • So I guess, along those lines, I've

  • had one conversation with one of my professors

  • where she was explaining that in research, when people were

  • giving presentations, they usually

  • wore light colors like gray, and white, or black,

  • and that you shouldn't be too colorful.

  • One time we were going into a conference,

  • and I was wearing red.

  • I was like really colorful, and then she was like, wow.

  • I mean, that's not what we talked about.

  • I'm like, yeah.

  • Science can be colorful too.

  • AUDIENCE: That's great. (LAUGHS)

  • AUDIENCE: I want to be who I am.

  • And the next minute, I saw a professor, he was so colorful,

  • like red and orange all over the place.

  • I was like, yes.

  • That's what I'm talking about.

  • Be who you are.

  • Be free.

  • And that's how a science should be.

  • People should be comfortable in their skin and who they are.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Thank you.

  • AUDIENCE: When I'm meeting new scientists, especially

  • younger ones, or people who I might have to mentor or train,

  • if they ever start to open up about an experience

  • where they felt discriminated against or harassed,

  • I can't necessarily relate to that experience,

  • but I do want to convey that they can trust me,

  • and that I'll listen to them, and I'll

  • help them in whatever way.

  • Because I can't really share a personal experience.

  • A lot of times I'll basically turned to relevant literature,

  • like the book Whistling Vivaldi.

  • And I'll try to communicate, I'm on your side and I'm safe,

  • by talking about a subject that communicates to them

  • I'm putting effort into this and I care.

  • AUDIENCE: Oh, that's a really good one.

  • It makes a lot of sense for me.

  • It's more just going back again to my identities.

  • I have an accent, because I'm from the Caribbean--

  • and I feel like this is common for lots

  • of international students in the scientific setting--

  • I definitely try to put on a more, quote, unquote,

  • American accent, to ensure that my audience is not

  • being distracted by my accent, but really

  • focusing on the science, and really trying

  • to be more scientific, quote, unquote.

  • And the other thing, in terms of physical appearance,

  • I have a lot of hair.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • It's very contained right now, but it's really big.

  • So definitely, in scientific settings,

  • I definitely try to pull it back to look more

  • what, quote, unquote, would be [INAUDIBLE] kept.

  • It's really kind of weird, but yeah,

  • so you'll definitely see me either my hair slicked back

  • in a scientific setting, versus when you probably will see me

  • in lab, or something like that.

  • So that's definitely the way I whistle Vivaldi,

  • because, again, I don't want people

  • to be distracted by my hair, or thinking

  • I don't look professional.

  • I don't want that to detract from what I'm saying

  • and the science that I'm doing.

  • So that's definitely another occasion

  • when I whistle Vivaldi.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

  • AUDIENCE: So I guess for the whistling Vivaldi,

  • I did have an example that reminded me of this

  • when I was an undergrad.

  • AUDIENCE: Mm-hmm.

  • AUDIENCE: So I joined a lab my freshman year,

  • and I have always been more traditionally feminine.

  • My, I don't know, style dressing.

  • And I kind of noticed I was one of the only women on the floor,

  • and I knew I stood out.

  • And I specifically remember that there

  • was a professor who asked me what I was doing around

  • on the lab floor, and told me I didn't like the research type.

  • And that really stuck with me, and after that, I really

  • changed.

  • I had my lab style and then my everyday Lindsay style.

  • AUDIENCE: (LAUGHS)

  • AUDIENCE: Whenever I was in the lab,

  • I would always wear very baggy clothes, tennis shoes,

  • my hair tied back.

  • And I felt like my glasses made me look more studious, so I

  • would always wear my glasses.

  • It's just something I was very conscious of.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: I would specifically dressed in one way

  • when I was being a scientist, and I would dress another way

  • when I was in my outside life.

  • AUDIENCE: It's like not easy, because in some setting

  • you're judged for being dressed up.

  • In other settings you're judged for being dressed down.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, I totally get that.

  • Yeah so, in my case, I think it's more about my race.

  • I personally have a stereotype that Asian women that

  • are recently immigrated are more reserved, quiet,

  • and, I don't know, obedient.

  • And although no one actually ever negatively judged

  • me for that, I'm constantly afraid to confirm

  • that negative stereotype.

  • So even if I'm not really that kind of person,

  • I try to be very vocal and talkative, especially when I'm

  • surrounded by people that I'm meeting for the first time,

  • so I'm giving like an impression that I want

  • to engage in the conversation.

  • Yeah, it was not an easy thing, but I've been doing it.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: All right.

  • So I'm just going to start out.

  • I'm going to give you one example.

  • This time it's not mine, but I think

  • that it was one of the ones that someone suggested

  • that really resonated with me.

  • So I want to share it.

  • So this sense of feeling the need

  • to suffer for your science, and that other people

  • see someone that are talking about how much they

  • suffered for their science.

  • And instead of just saying, wait a minute,

  • I sleep eight hours a night.

  • They're like, yeah I gotta get in on this suffering

  • for my science thing.

  • So an example, someone was talking

  • about how they knew that this person was going

  • on this ski trip over the weekend,

  • but before they left lab to go on the ski trip, instead

  • of saying, hey, see all Monday.

  • I'm going skiing.

  • They're going out like carrying these journals and papers.

  • And they're just like, oh, I got a lot

  • of reading to do this weekend.

  • Does anyone have a cart?

  • I can barely carry it.

  • I'm going to be reading all weekend.

  • This is a scheme.

  • What's going on?

  • But it's like, if you're really a scientist,

  • if you're a true scientist, if you're a real scientist,

  • you suffer.

  • You have no hobbies.

  • You work day and night in the cold room, in the dark.

  • I mean, you're just 36-hour experiments.

  • There's no time to shower.

  • There's no time to sleep.

  • And instead of just saying and sending a message

  • to maybe new people in lab, and undergrads,

  • and I think this has come up, especially with women, that

  • like if you do not give of yourself completely,

  • you're not a, quote, real scientist.

  • And a lot of people who are thinking about science,

  • especially women, think, I'd really like to have a family,

  • and I know I might be doing a little more of the caregiving.

  • So I don't know if I can do science.

  • I might have to do something else.

  • Because there's this notion that you

  • have to suffer so deeply for your science.

  • And people buy into this.

  • They don't want to be the one saying,

  • I don't know what's wrong with you, but I shower every day.

  • Right?

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • They're just like coming up with something else

  • that they're saying.

  • It's like, well, yeah, but my experiment was even worse!

  • And I had to walk uphill both ways to do it, right?

  • Everyone gets into this in the whole lab culture,

  • and they're trying to outdo themselves

  • with the degree of suffering.

  • So that's one example that came up.

  • And I do think that these kind of things-- it sounds funny,

  • but it's important, because it sends

  • a message of what it takes to be a scientist that is not

  • really true.

  • And if we have well-adjusted human beings doing science,

  • I'm OK for that.

  • I think that's a good thing to have well-adjusted human beings

  • doing science.

  • So we have to think a little bit about fitting into a culture,

  • and what that is, and what we do to fit in.

  • All right.

  • So that's just one example that was shared with me

  • before, which I thought was a good one.

  • But it seems like you guys were having some lively discussion.

  • So who would like to start off by sharing

  • what you were talking about?

  • Yeah?

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, so depending on who I'm talking with,

  • I actually tune my accent.

  • For example, when I'm back home, I intentionally

  • mispronounce certain words so that I can talk with my friends

  • and family.

  • And then whenever I'm here in an academic setting,

  • I try to pronounce everything correctly.

  • Yeah.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: Yeah, so the sort of, I'm

  • still sort of one of you.

  • I've gone off to this place of MIT,

  • but I'm back having these conversations.

  • And then you present a different side when you're here.

  • I've heard that a lot, that sometimes being at a top place,

  • people feeling uncomfortable going home,

  • that the family members just feel like they

  • don't want to sound stupid, so they just

  • don't know what to say to you anymore.

  • It's like, it's still me.

  • It's OK. (LAUGHS) That's great.

  • OK.

  • Anybody else?

  • Yeah, yeah?

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, so I personally have

  • a stereotype that Asian women, especially those who are,

  • quote, unquote, fresh off the boat,

  • are more reserved and quiet.

  • And while I'm a person who kind of confirms that stereotype,

  • when I'm with people that I'm meeting for the first time,

  • I try to be a little more vocal and talkative,

  • to give an impression that I want

  • to engage in this conversation.

  • And sometimes that makes you feel bad,

  • because I'm not true to myself.

  • So, yeah.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: Yeah, yeah.

  • People may not believe this about me,

  • but I used to be really shy.

  • [SOFT LAUGHTER]

  • So, yeah.

  • So all those years of imposter syndrome--

  • all right.

  • I'm going to wear my not-shy clothes,

  • and talk like a not-shy person.

  • But yeah, I had to really struggle with that,

  • and I think it's very hard.

  • When you are worried about that stereotype,

  • it's pushing yourself out.

  • Being a little more--

  • so that's it that's a really, really nice example.

  • Anyone else?

  • Yeah?

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, so I have several tattoos,

  • and I also have a nose piercing.

  • And when I'm in professional settings,

  • especially at conferences, I try to cover up my tattoos,

  • and sometimes they even put in a different nose

  • ring that's clear so you really can't see it

  • unless you're close up.

  • And I try to do that in order to not confirm

  • a negative stereotype of people who decide to put art

  • on their body or have extra piercings,

  • and to appear more professional, and that I understand

  • and know what I'm talking about.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: Yeah, that's also a really-- everyone's

  • got really great examples.

  • That has kind of come up in [INAUDIBLE] really thinking

  • about how you're dressed and other things.

  • And one time I had videotapes to use

  • in freshman chemistry, of scientists talking about how

  • they were using chemistry.

  • And I got all this feedback because one

  • of the people in the video had piercings and tattoos.

  • And they're like, but that's not a scientist, right?

  • But then he talked so articulately,

  • and it was mind-blowing.

  • But we do have these ideas of what

  • scientists should look like.

  • I partly blame Hollywood.

  • Polyester pants, and the lab coat, and pocket protectors.

  • And it turns out scientists look like everyone else.

  • But then we worry, and sometimes try

  • to fit in, and whistle a little Vivaldi to hide maybe

  • some parts of that.

  • And so, yeah.

  • Really, really good examples everyone.

  • OK.

  • Let's move on.

  • Who has stereotypes?

  • ENTIRE AUDIENCE: Everyone!

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: Yeah.

  • Sorry.

  • Sorry for the bad news.

  • But let me show you some data in case you're not convinced.

  • All right.

  • So there's a whole bunch of studies,

  • and I'm just going to tell you about a few

  • of them that get at this fact that we all

  • do have stereotypes.

  • Because we all live in a culture, we're all part of it.

  • We are, in fact, not in the cold room for 36 hours.

  • We come out to socialize with other people at some point,

  • and so we develop stereotypes.

  • All right.

  • So there are these a bunch of different studies

  • where they show groups, multiple different CVs.

  • And they have one CV that's clearly

  • a man's name, another CV that's clearly a woman's name,

  • and then they ask this group, pick the best

  • candidate for something.

  • And the data show that if the see

  • these are designed to be very, very similar--

  • similar kinds of schools, similar numbers

  • of publications, similar awards--

  • that people will pick the CV with the man's name

  • on as being better.

  • And importantly, women do this too.

  • So this idea of, let's put a woman on every committee

  • so that we make sure that this committee is doing the best,

  • picking the best candidate, whatever, women

  • do the exact same thing as men.

  • They also pick the male candidate

  • when the CVs are very similar.

  • So a lot of these studies were done in the English profession,

  • but Joe Handelsman and a bunch of others in this publication,

  • in PNAS in 2012, redid did this CV study,

  • but it was only for scientists.

  • So people would say, scientists are logical, right?

  • We can't have stereotypes.

  • We're about facts.

  • We're about data.

  • We are so logical we can't possibly

  • really have stereotypes.

  • And so, clear convincing evidence

  • that that is, in fact, not true.

  • Scientists are just like all other human beings,

  • as it turns out.

  • They're people.

  • Anyhow, so this study.

  • Loved this study.

  • Jealous of this study.

  • Why did I not do this study?

  • Anyhow.

  • So what they did is they took this resume, CV, said it

  • was for a lab manager position.

  • They had the name John on it or the name Jennifer,

  • and they sent it to different people,

  • and then saw what people thought collectively about John,

  • and what people thought collectively about Jennifer.

  • Exactly the same CV, so they should

  • have thought the same things about both of them,

  • because it was the same.

  • But then they compared for the male name versus female

  • who's applying for this lab manager position,

  • they thought that the man was more competent,

  • that the man was more hireable, and was

  • going to be easier to mentor, and also

  • should get pay to lot more.

  • Now, again, let me emphasize, these are identical documents,

  • except one has the name John on it,

  • and one had the name Jennifer on it.

  • And they looked at how men viewed this and how women did.

  • It was male faculty, women faculty, again,

  • for a lab manager position.

  • Women thought the same thing.

  • Women thought that the CV with the name John on it

  • was a lot more impressive than the CV with the name Jennifer.

  • So scientists, the ivory tower, is just

  • locked-in people with the same prejudices

  • that you find other places.

  • The same stereotypes.

  • All right.

  • OK.

  • So we need some good news.

  • I think it's time for good news.

  • I've convinced you that you can all

  • be victims of stereotype threat, that you all have stereotypes.

  • Probably, you're all worried about imposter syndrome.

  • If you didn't have it before, I'm sure you do now.

  • But you know that I have it.

  • Maybe that means like--

  • anyway.

  • Good news.

  • Wise criticism.

  • So this can be used to mitigate the effects of stereotype

  • threat.

  • And again, it's criticism that's delivered in such a way

  • that students feel like they're capable of a high level

  • of achievement, that students are less defensive

  • and feel less threatened.

  • And so, here, again, it's not about whether there's criticism

  • or not, it's really about how that criticism is delivered.

  • So I'll just give you a brief example

  • what I think about here.

  • When I started as Assistant Professor,

  • it was the first time I was writing a paper from my lab

  • that my advisor's not deciding it's OK or not.

  • This is for me.

  • So I gave it to one of my senior colleagues

  • to critique before I sent it out.

  • It came back covered in red pen.

  • [INAUDIBLE] And I was just thinking, what was I thinking?

  • I can't be a professor.

  • This is the most ridiculous thing.

  • How did I ever think that I could possibly do this?

  • But then I got a little perspective on it.

  • I realized that this professor had taken time

  • to not only read the paper through and make comments,

  • but there were notes about reading the background

  • literature on the paper.

  • This wasn't their field, so they had read all the references

  • and thought about how I could have improved the paper.

  • Who has time to do that?

  • The only person who has time to do that

  • is someone who is completely and totally dedicated

  • to my success.

  • So it was criticism.

  • It was criticism.

  • There was criticism!

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • But it was criticism that was delivered because they

  • believed I could do this, and wanted

  • to help me, put their money where their mouth was,

  • spend time helping me be successful.

  • So next time you get back a draft covered with red,

  • don't think of it as harsh, I can't do it,

  • blood of a massacre of the paper spewing out.

  • You think about it as love.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • Criticism takes time.

  • It's love!

  • Red love pouring out all over the paper.

  • Criticism is important, but the way

  • it's delivered-- if you feel it's delivered in a way

  • that the person really believes in you,

  • then it can really motivate you to do better.

  • So criticism is good, but how you deliver

  • it makes a huge difference.

  • All right.

  • So Mary O'Reilly who is a graduate student here at MIT,

  • did all these really cool little cartoons.

  • Little call out to Mary, now.

  • You're a student now, but think about what you can do.

  • You don't have to sacrifice completely for your science.

  • You can do art on the side.

  • So Mary had a hobby and it's put to good use.

  • So which response would you rather hear

  • if you did poorly on a test?

  • And I don't know if you can see this.

  • This is a C-, which is not a good score for someone who is

  • a high achiever.

  • Undeserved praise can be super harmful.

  • "This is a good score for you.

  • You should be pleased."

  • What is this person telling this person

  • by giving them that praise?

  • That's the best they can do.

  • You should be happy with a C-.

  • No.

  • No one should be happy with a C-.

  • Of course, if it's pass, no record, and you're

  • just shooting for that pass-- but, no, no, no.

  • No one should be happy with that.

  • All right.

  • So you have to be careful about that.

  • The worst thing you can do is send the message to someone

  • that they messed up, but that's all that it can be expected

  • of you is to mess up.

  • Bad criticism.

  • We may have all received that.

  • Yeah, you'll have to try harder if you want to pass.

  • No feedback can also be harmful, because you

  • might have this idea that you don't belong here.

  • And if no one's countering that and telling you you do belong,

  • then you're just taking that message away.

  • And wise criticism can be, again, the most powerful thing.

  • Saying, hey, I know you were doing really

  • well in recitation.

  • I'm not sure what happened on the exam,

  • but let's sit together and try to figure out.

  • You did this part really well.

  • You just need to figure out how to demonstrate your knowledge

  • on this other part of the exam.

  • So just a brief story on this.

  • Some of my friends who are professors, parents

  • call them up.

  • Do you know how much tuition I'm paying?

  • Why did my kid not get an A?

  • I have never gotten that phone call here,

  • partly because everybody knows that MIT is a tough place,

  • and so, they don't send their kid with the idea

  • that the money in tuition is guaranteeing any kind of grade.

  • But I did get a phone call from a parent once.

  • And they called me and they said,

  • I just had to share with you this story,

  • it's about my daughter who's in your class.

  • They said, first exam comes in MIT,

  • and she doesn't do that well.

  • And she calls me, and she's crying, and she's crying a lot.

  • And she said, dad, I really studied.

  • I'm telling you, I really studied.

  • I thought I knew this material, but this was my grade.

  • And I don't know what happened, I really thought I knew it.

  • And she's like, can you come and get me?

  • He's like, the first exam.

  • It's still September, right?

  • And so, he doesn't know what to do,

  • and he says, well, I'm going to come get you immediately.

  • Let's just see how you feel in a little bit.

  • So then he gets a call back a few hours later.

  • And you say, Dad!

  • Dad!

  • Dad!

  • My TA emailed me!

  • They said, I know you know the material better

  • than your grade on the test.

  • I told you, dad!

  • I told you that I knew the material better.

  • And the TA knew I knew!

  • I knew I knew the material better!

  • He said, you can come in and talk

  • about test-taking strategies.

  • And so, the dad said, so I don't need to come and get you?

  • She's like, no, I'm good.

  • Right?

  • So a little bit of the message that that TA sent,

  • saying, I know that you know this better.

  • Let's get together and figure out what we can do.

  • It was everything to this one person.

  • So wise criticism, very helpful.

  • He still said, yeah, that wasn't a good performance, but I

  • you can do better.

  • OK.

  • So I just want to emphasize that no feedback is not a solution.

  • Sometimes having these conversations of criticism,

  • ugh.

  • So the easiest route is say nothing.

  • But that is not a good route.

  • And let me just try to convince you of that.

  • In doing so, we have some more cool Mary cartoons.

  • And we're just going to leave the classroom for a minute.

  • In this scenario, we have a professor

  • coming in, yelling at this male student,

  • and saying nothing to this female student who

  • is sitting right next to him.

  • So the professor comes in, said, you should

  • have had this done yesterday!

  • I'm giving a talk next week in Texas,

  • and I need to have these PowerPoint slides!

  • Why haven't you finished this experiment?

  • I have to get going!

  • And then he leaves the lab.

  • And so, in the little blurb here from the female students

  • thoughts he can't hear, she said,

  • I wish she cared as much about my project.

  • It's just not fair.

  • And then the man is thinking, he never

  • yells at the girls like that, and her project

  • isn't going any better than mine.

  • It's just not fair.

  • So the woman is upset about not getting yelled at,

  • which sort of seems counterintuitive at first,

  • until you realize that the one graduate

  • student's getting yelled at because he

  • wants his data for a talk.

  • So he's never asking the female student for her data

  • for a talk.

  • He's never really talking to her at all about her research.

  • It's not going well, and he doesn't even care.

  • She is apparently so insignificant to him.

  • She's too insignificant, her research is so unimportant,

  • he doesn't even have time to yell at her.

  • He's not interest in yelling at her

  • because he's not going to use her research for anything.

  • He has no expectations that she would ever deliver something

  • that would be talk worthy.

  • That's at least what's in her mind.

  • Meanwhile, the male professor's very proud of himself

  • for never yelling at the girls.

  • And the male students are really angry that the girls don't

  • get yelled at, not realizing that he's

  • paying some attention.

  • He actually cares if they're getting results.

  • So this is a lose-lose situation for everybody.

  • So along these lines I was called on to, at one point,

  • interview all of the female graduate students

  • in the chemistry department, and all the male students

  • in the chemistry department, to figure out

  • how they figured out whether they would

  • apply for academic positions.

  • And I was given this task because the department was

  • very low on the list of the number of female graduate

  • students who were applying for faculty positions.

  • So they wanted to figure out why the women weren't applying.

  • And who better to figure that out than me, a woman.

  • All right.

  • So I actually was kind of curious

  • to see what people would say.

  • So again, this is not statistically significant.

  • I've collected some data over the years that

  • is statistically significant.

  • This was just conversations that I had,

  • but I just wanted to share this with you.

  • So I asked both men and women, how

  • do you know if you're good enough to be a professor?

  • And both said, I don't know.

  • It was the same.

  • It was the same answer.

  • They both said, I don't know.

  • And it's like, well, what do you do with that?

  • And the women said, well, I wait for the professor to tell me

  • that I'm good enough.

  • And if they don't tell me, I assume I'm not.

  • The men said, well, I go ahead and apply,

  • and if I'm not good enough, the professor

  • is likely to tell me that at some point.

  • So meanwhile, the professor is saying nothing

  • to either group about whether they're good enough.

  • The women are taking that as a message they're not.

  • The men are saying, I'm just going

  • to go ahead and try until someone stops me.

  • So no feedback, you might be sending

  • messages you don't intend.

  • I don't think these professors were intending

  • to send message to the female students

  • that they weren't good enough.

  • They just were busy doing stuff and didn't say anything

  • to anyone.

  • So it's a reminder to give feedback to people.

  • Because if there's no feedback, you

  • don't know what the individual is taking away from that.

  • In the absence of it, own insecurities

  • will often come into play.

  • All right.

  • So other things that one can do is change the narrative.

  • Because, remember, as I was just saying,

  • people have their own insecurities going.

  • And so, sometimes you want to let

  • them know that perhaps other people have had insecurities

  • as well, and that it's OK, and that failing sometimes

  • is not only OK, it's part of the process.

  • So for high achievers, it's important to reassure them

  • that everyone has had difficulty at some point in their career.

  • So this serves as a counter narrative,

  • this story they're telling themselves, that somehow you

  • have to be perfect all the time to really

  • be successful in science.

  • You don't have to be, but we need to share those stories.

  • The CV, it's a list of successes.

  • It's a list of papers.

  • It's a list of awards.

  • It doesn't say on there, this is what I've done with my career.

  • No.

  • What you've done with your career,

  • between every success are a ton of failures.

  • But we don't list the things that don't work,

  • we just list the things that do work.

  • Our publications are full of the experiments that work,

  • not the experiments that didn't work.

  • So it's really easy for people to look

  • at someone who's successful and think,

  • they've never had to struggle.

  • It's been super easy for them.

  • They've never failed.

  • And that is just not the case.

  • So if we share those stories with the students,

  • it can help them realize that maybe this bad grade isn't

  • the end of the world.

  • It's all OK.

  • It's part of the process.

  • All right.

  • So this is the last exercise.

  • So recall a moment where a mentor shared a story with you

  • about a time when he or she struggled with a concept

  • or felt inadequate, but then reached

  • a high level of achievement, or you

  • could recall your own story.

  • So something that someone shared with you

  • that made a difference, or perhaps something that you

  • could tell your students this semester if they're

  • all of a sudden going, how did I get into this place?

  • I'm not sure that I belong here.

  • What could you share with them that

  • would help them move forward?

  • All right.

  • Find your partners.

  • Think about a time.

  • AUDIENCE: I think for a time when--

  • at least a story that was a counter-narrative

  • for me was thinking about my own struggles in my PhD

  • where there was a long string of failures

  • where it felt like nothing was working

  • and I wasn't really getting anywhere.

  • And it was really hard to see the finish line,

  • and it got me really down.

  • It felt very difficult. I wasn't as happy as I could have been.

  • And I think what really helped me break out

  • of that was hearing from my own advisor

  • that she had had a pretty long and arduous PhD as well.

  • There was a lot of struggle.

  • And that those failures came in the exact same way, where

  • they're stacking on top of each other.

  • And it just feels like there is no end really in sight,

  • and maybe that you're not even good enough for this.

  • But seeing how far she made it, and how much she succeeded

  • after that really, really reassured me, and makes me

  • feel better about the whole thing.

  • It makes you realize everything's going to be OK.

  • This is not atypical.

  • It doesn't say something about me, personally.

  • Really what's reassuring is that it

  • feels like everything is really going

  • to work out at the end of it.

  • And that changed my entire attitude really about my PhD.

  • I feel tremendously better about everything since then.

  • AUDIENCE: That's very inspiring.

  • AUDIENCE: Mm-hmm.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, for me, I felt it a lot during undergrad,

  • and I still feel it somewhat in grad school,

  • but one experience was even having an opportunity

  • to participate in a summer program at MIT.

  • So I went to a community college,

  • and my parents couldn't afford to send me

  • to a top-tier university.

  • We didn't have money saved up for me to go to one,

  • and so the advice was to go to community college

  • first, establish your GPA, get some scholarships,

  • and then transfer to a four-year institute.

  • And while I was at that community college,

  • I didn't feel like I would have any major opportunities to go

  • and do research, especially at an institute like MIT.

  • And I came across the application for the MIT summer

  • research program through another program

  • that I was involved in at my community college.

  • And I was like, OK, I'll just apply to it.

  • They'll probably not accept me or even

  • consider my application, but I'll still do it.

  • And I did it.

  • I applied.

  • And I ended up getting into the program.

  • And that one opportunity really opened a lot of doors for me,

  • and now I'm able to be a graduate student here.

  • So, yeah, that was a moment where I really felt insecure,

  • and the whole imposter syndrome really affected me.

  • But I'm happy that I took that opportunity.

  • Mm-hmm.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, that's a really awesome story.

  • AUDIENCE: Thanks.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, so when I started college,

  • I got a really, really bad grade on one of my tests.

  • I think it was actually my second semester of college.

  • AUDIENCE: OK.

  • AUDIENCE: I called my dad.

  • And it was the first bad test I've ever

  • had in my entire life.

  • I was so upset.

  • I called my dad and I said, dad, dad, I'm so sorry!

  • I'm failing!

  • And I had a full-ride scholarship,

  • so I thought I was going to lose my scholarship because of one

  • bad test.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, I understand that.

  • AUDIENCE: And my dad said, no, no, it's OK.

  • It's totally fine.

  • When I was in college--

  • the same exact college--

  • I failed miserably my first test in this math class.

  • And I just worked really hard and studied,

  • and tried to talk to people, and made

  • sure that I knew exactly what I was doing.

  • And by the end of the semester, my teacher was like,

  • don't even come in for the final because you're

  • going to break the curve.

  • So you can do it.

  • One bad test is not the end of you.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, that's cool.

  • I wish my--

  • AUDIENCE: It really helps.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, I can imagine that would really help.

  • Yeah.

  • So I guess, growing up, I didn't have female scientists--

  • I don't know.

  • The media doesn't really portray female scientists, slash,

  • I didn't know anyone that had a PhD or anything like that.

  • So when I got to college, I knew I was always

  • interested in science, but I didn't actually

  • know what that meant.

  • And so, I was really lucky enough

  • to have a wonderful mentor in undergrad.

  • And she, was the department head of chemistry,

  • so that was really awesome.

  • But we got really close, and she would tell me

  • about her journey as a scientist,

  • and how she started out becoming a lecturer,

  • and raising a family, and being a woman in science,

  • and what that meant for people's perception,

  • and how she felt like she never really got

  • the respect that she deserved.

  • And she would always make sure that we referred to her

  • as doctor, because it was the fact that she

  • had worked so hard for it, and had not been taken seriously.

  • So she shared a lot of like how she

  • didn't feel like she got the respect

  • or deserved to almost be in this position of power.

  • But she was an extremely successful scientist,

  • and did wonderful things, and was department head of our

  • at our school.

  • And just really showed me that even

  • if you don't feel like you can do it,

  • or you're not getting the respect,

  • you can still be really successful.

  • And having those conversations and just hearing her story,

  • made me feel like, OK, I can do this,

  • and allowed me to address like my insecurities.

  • And her support where she felt like I could go to grad school,

  • was a main reason why I felt like I could actually do it.

  • Because she talked about, it wasn't in her plans,

  • but she still like went through it.

  • And, like, look, I'm a Professor now,

  • even though I don't necessarily feel like I should have been,

  • or could have at times.

  • And so, that was really awesome to hear

  • and really made me feel like grad school was an option

  • before I even got here.

  • And before, I didn't even think about grad school.

  • AUDIENCE: That's great.

  • I'm so glad that she was able to bring you here.

  • AUDIENCE: She's wonderful.

  • AUDIENCE: I think a good example, in my case is my mom.

  • So obviously, her experience is 30 years ago and in Korea,

  • so it might be not that reflective of how things are

  • done in the States right now.

  • But basically, it was a lot harder for her, as a woman,

  • to get a job than her male counterparts,

  • because people were worried that she might quit

  • when she gets married, when she gets pregnant,

  • when she has a baby.

  • And even after she got a baby and she

  • has continued working in her workplace,

  • she was continuously judged by other people.

  • Because when she worked hard, people

  • were blaming her for not putting in that much of a dedication

  • to her home.

  • But if she was not working hard enough,

  • people were like, why are you like not working hard enough?

  • And you should not pay too much of attention

  • to your kids and your family.

  • AUDIENCE: You can't win.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, yeah.

  • So she had to put in a lot more time and effort

  • into both her household and in her workplace

  • to fight with the negative stereotype,

  • and not to get blame.

  • So yeah, her story really touched me,

  • and just keeping me aware that those kinds of stereotypes

  • are going out there, yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, I think the one mentor that's really stuck out

  • or has had a big impact on me, especially in grad school,

  • has been my advisor.

  • Especially when I came to MIT, I definitely

  • had a stereotype of what an MIT grad student should be.

  • And it was like, they should only

  • be focused on their academics.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: And I had a lot of personal things

  • I was struggling with that I thought

  • I had to leave behind me when I would come into the workplace.

  • And it almost became this really overbearing burden

  • of, I had to keep this personal side of me a secret

  • and I could only have this academic side of me in public.

  • So having a mentor who is very open about her own struggles,

  • and who's willing to share more about her personal life,

  • made me feel more comfortable bringing my full self

  • to the table when I am in lab.

  • So that's definitely had a big impact on me.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • I feel that the media is gradually

  • changing from showing the typical nerdy scientist

  • into showing that, hey, scientists also

  • have personal lives.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • That they are people.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, I really like that.

  • So yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: Cool.

  • AUDIENCE: Cool, cool.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: So I'll just briefly

  • tell you one story for me, which,

  • if you don't feel comfortable sharing with your students,

  • you can share my stories.

  • That's fine.

  • I have a long list.

  • So one thing that you can tell people which sometimes helps

  • is that professor Drennan is dyslexic.

  • So I was diagnosed in first grade.

  • I was a very smart and articulate kid,

  • and I liked talking to adults.

  • And so, they assumed I was sort of smart,

  • but then I couldn't learn to read.

  • So I was in the upper group, and then the somewhat lower group,

  • and lower group, and the lowest group, and the remedial group.

  • And it took me to sixth grade until I learned how to read--

  • second time through sixth grade.

  • I had to do that twice.

  • And so, I was told I would never be able to graduate

  • from high school.

  • And so, when I graduated from high school, then

  • I went to college.

  • And then I was like, ha, ha!

  • Look at me!

  • And then I went to grad school and then I kept going.

  • It's like, oh!

  • Faculty position at MIT!

  • Let's go!

  • And I just needed to prove that I could do these things,

  • but it was hard.

  • And there are many really embarrassing dyslexic mistakes

  • that I have made over the years too.

  • And when I first started here, I was

  • very nervous about anybody knowing that I was dyslexic,

  • and I have gotten beyond that.

  • So I've now been videotaped by a whole bunch

  • of the dyslexic associations, and done

  • all sorts of different things where I share my stories.

  • So if you don't want to share a story about something from you,

  • you can share my stories, even if they're my students.

  • I am cool with everybody knowing that I am dyslexic.

  • And if you're my TA, and I write words that are not

  • words on the board, or switch numbers around,

  • just say, "Professor Drennan, other way,"

  • or something like that.

  • That's cool.

  • So feel free to share these stories.

  • And I think it's so important that students know there's

  • more than one path to success.

  • And that not everyone is the same,

  • and people may struggle with different things.

  • They may have different insecurities, but it's all OK.

  • And those struggles often make us who we are,

  • and that science doesn't work perfectly the first time.

  • We have to get in there and just keep working at it.

  • And the struggles we face in our own life

  • is often just a really good motivating factor

  • for doing some really great research.

  • All right.

  • So again, you're very welcome to share my stories.

  • I have extra ones, if you want to hear times

  • that I felt insecure.

  • But I heard a lot of discussion, so maybe people

  • feel like they are willing to share a story with us right

  • now?

  • Yeah?

  • AUDIENCE: Going off what we were discussing about how

  • in science, so much of what we hear, or what's told to us,

  • is all successes.

  • And also knowing that a lot of those failures, at least for me

  • personally, they kind of come in waves.

  • There's not just one failure at a time.

  • It's a lot.

  • [SOFT LAUGHTER]

  • And it really wore on me at the time, but what I think really

  • helped me was my own mentor telling me that she struggled

  • through her PhD.

  • It took a long time.

  • It was a slog.

  • It just reminded me that it's not always

  • a straight line to get to the finish.

  • And more importantly, it's that things will get better.

  • It'll all work out.

  • Everything's going to be OK.

  • And I think that really helped me continuing on to my PhD.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: Yeah.

  • Yeah, that's wonderful.

  • Yeah.

  • And I often think of the waves.

  • And it's like things are going really, really well,

  • and then it slows down, and then things are not working.

  • And if the amplitude was up and down and this, it's like,

  • I'll be OK.

  • But often it's up and then down, and then down, and then down,

  • and then down, and then down.

  • And you're like, in other people their amplitudes are

  • different in the lab.

  • And it's like, that person has stuff working.

  • This person has stuff working.

  • What is wrong?

  • But the thing is that over time, it's

  • like when it's down like this, then when it goes up,

  • it stays up longer also.

  • So it's like getting you there again.

  • So yeah, that's why these stories can be pretty powerful.

  • Anybody else have one they want to share?

  • Yeah?

  • AUDIENCE: I think why it's been difficult for me

  • during grad school, especially in the beginning,

  • was that I was dealing with some personal struggles

  • from before grad school and during.

  • And I kind of felt like I had this burden

  • of keeping it a secret, because I didn't want to come off

  • as overly emotional.

  • Or that because I was dealing with these personal struggles,

  • that I wasn't taking my sciences seriously.

  • So having a mentor that opened up

  • about how she had also had personal struggles

  • and how she still was able to be successful,

  • was really meaningful to me, to feel

  • like I could be both a person and a scientist.

  • CATHY L. DRENNAN: Yeah, yeah.

  • Yeah, yeah.

  • It is one package, right?

  • Yeah.

  • We're all a package of these things.

  • So yeah, that's wonderful.

  • And I think that sometimes it just looks to people

  • as if everything is going so well,

  • and they just don't see the inside struggles.

  • And you don't really know, necessarily,

  • what else is going on.

  • And so, when you're comfortable sharing these things,

  • it can be so powerful.

  • And I feel like sometimes when people are getting through it,

  • it's like, now you have to be a professor because you've

  • got to share these stories with other people.

  • And that figuring out how to deal with the struggle, I mean,

  • that's what it's about.

  • It's not about doing everything perfectly the first time.

  • It's how to deal with failure, get yourself

  • up, get through those times.

  • And that's what gives you the strength to really go

  • after doing hard stuff.

  • All right.

  • Are there any other ones?

  • OK.

  • All right.

  • Let's move on.

  • The bad news.

  • We all have stereotypes.

  • I think all of you are sitting there thinking,

  • man, let me just count all the different stereotypes I have.

  • We all have stereotypes.

  • We all have unconscious bias.

  • Now, maybe some of you will be like, oh, wait a minute.

  • Why did I react that way?

  • Oh, man!

  • There's another stereotype I have.

  • We all can be victims of stereotype threats or imposter

  • syndrome.

  • Stereotype threat can be pretty harmful.

  • It can lead to underperformance and a feeling

  • of being judged unfairly.

  • But there's good news.

  • You create an environment of trust in your classroom

  • or in your lab, give wise criticism,

  • and that can really mediate the negative effects of stereotype.

  • If you're part of a team doing something,

  • if someone believes that someone else believes in them-- they're

  • not sure they can do it, but my team believes in me,

  • therefore, I can't do it, because my team

  • is pretty smart.

  • These are all ways--

  • and we have to help everyone reach their full potential.

  • The students you'll be working with this semester

  • are crazy, smart, and cool people.

  • And some of them may be insecure,

  • and you can really help them get to their full potential.

  • And it's an amazing opportunity to teach smart people.

  • So I hope you have a wonderful time,

  • and I hope that those horses that are dressed like zebras

  • in your classroom are feeling very zebra-ish

  • by the end of the semester.

  • So thank you very much for your attention.

  • I loved the stories you're shared today,

  • and have a wonderful semester.

  • [APPLAUSE]

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