"I'd be less angry if I managed again!" | Graeme Souness, Jamie Redknapp & Alan Smith | Off Script

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Hello everyone.
I hope you're all okay.
I've assembled a motley crew of talent here to talk football and whatever else at this strange time.
So who we got?
We've got Jamie Redknapp.
Introduce yourself.
Jamie I'm Jamie Redknapp.
I was born in a barn on C 40 years of age six.
What do you want to know?
Alex Smith is here as well.
Yeah, my name's I was Smith.
I'm not an alcoholic.
Not yet anyway.
I also got a masterpiece on Graham Soon s in the same room.
Look at that piece of art.
Graham did it myself.
It looks like it.
How are you keeping?
Well, uh oh, Graham.
Soon as the oldest member of most sensible member of the group.
Very well.
Very well, just not from a walk along the beach, Did you?
Did you see Harry?
No, I never said I see Harriet passed occasionally these car, but I never see him exercise anything.
You say he stays to the potential, doesn't it?
Yeah.
So is that beach crowded?
Graham?
Um no, it never was being sensible.
Mmm.
Until I didn't see it.
Just on the way home was a random police check pulling people over.
First, you gotta be careful.
And Alan, it's your daughter's birthday today, so it's quite nicely home to celebrate that.
It must just feel it just feels weird, doesn't it?
Right now it does.
He does make investigate that.
Nice, Nice.
We've got all that family together about them.
Dr.
Bo.
She's putting on boot camps every night.
She got five stations out there and put this through it.
So you know, keeping fit.
Well, we'll see.
I'm just going to say that's a great thing that's come about from this, that the people are pulling together.
And there's guys doing different stuff, like Joe Wicks.
David.
I was just talking about it.
What Joe Wicks is doing, getting kids up early, doing training sessions and things like the community is really coming together because this is the biggest level we've ever had to go through.
You know, then I think it's been amazing.
Our people are pulling together, and it's difficult.
You can introduce him a positive if you come out today and you've got a next trip, you know, string to your bow.
Like I said, I'm gonna be oh, learn Spanish.
Whether that happens or not.
We'll wait and see, But just be still hoping for a movie.
Budge.
You still have?
Yeah.
Good, Good.
Look good will come out, people.
Orson, in life.
What's really important in life after this?
Well, yeah, because that's what we beat them thinking about.
It is, it's like a time for reflection.
We'll have a few of these conversations.
I guess that the next few few weeks and months I've been doing a lot off of reflection.
Like you say, it's much.
You gotta try and think of something else.
Toe.
Occupy your brain.
Can you come out with it out of it with a difference?
Skill set.
We want to put a few ideas out there, get a few different subjects of conversation.
So how about this for a starter?
Unfulfilled talent.
Grand.
What a nice party one.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, like we're talking about.
It's time for reflection, isn't it?
Could I could I would make the most of everything that I've done.
And I know that I really feel that happen in certain areas of my life.
Graham, what is that?
What do you think of when I say those words personally?
Yeah, Nothing Okay.
I got the most out of himself as a player.
Um, could have been a better professional.
No, not fill the last 70 years of career.
I don't think yeah could be more dedicated.
I don't I don't think it could.
And there were card games and trivia I gave.
I gave everything into management.
I think about my time again.
Because different munch If I had my chance again.
In what way?
So I'll be I'll be less aggressive, less harsh, less demanding on people.
Well, so late in my career, I realized a room could see my teachers I had to do.
Some people are more relaxed about it.
I, um you get frustrated by people who didn't appeared off that when all costs mentality and I would fall out with people over, Maybe.
Jimmy, You know J B word over the summer that when we work together, now that the work wasn't energy, did you, Jamie?
So yeah, I think really laughable.
I think we get to my age a za manager.
It's story.
Yeah, well, uh, I think you've got Look, watch Graham on sky.
Anybody at home?
Where?
No.
Where Graham is about as a person who demands Excellency wants to win, probably more than anyone any of any planet I saw him in.
And it was, I think it admit when it'll cost.
That's what that's what drove your money an incredible ability to do that.
As a manager, I think, um, grab, given my debut as a 17 18 year old Andi, you know that's the me is one of the great You see, you'll never forget that.
But I remember at times it fall out with people because they didn't care as much as he did.
And I could see the frustration on the last shower people.
And I'm sure if you have these time name.
I took a step back, maybe walked out the room.
But when you are that way, when you build like that is very difficult.
And I think the way the modern manager is now, I think you have to suck it up a lot more.
I think you have to walk away.
I think you have to bid totally different type of person because if you fight fire with fire nowadays, got no chance and I think he's got worse.
Probably even then, when Graham was managing in those days which states that Graham 100%.
I mean, I'm interested to hear what smart euros to see about your script.
So that imagine, he was shooting the firing and got upset when things weren't going well.
There will be slaughter point.
The finger of people's much right.
Oh, most definitely grand.
Yeah, he was.
He was old school.
Demanded your best every day of the week than mine about on Saturday.
Once he'd seen you best.
He wanted that again and again against he kept on pushing us.
Maybe in a way, that was Jamie.
Since you perhaps can't do so much these days.
But you certainly have my career.
Hey, taught me things Do is a striker himself there.
Good head of the ball.
So he develop my game.
But you know, it's if he if you didn't suit him talking about unfulfilled talent I was thinking about this too small.
Even the name came up that you might remember Graham because you broke his leg outlay.
Sicky Johnson.
Seiki Johnson?
Yes.
My records state that in May 1986 Scotland, the Iceland you broke his leg only saw that today, But he was a midfielder.
Rejoin Arsenal from Sheffield Wednesday.
Carmen.
Really?
Yeah.
He was a central midfield of that.
He was a very composed lot on the ball and he loved to get it up to the back four.
We love to, you know, Tony, Adam, Steve Old How did it go within 10 yards to demand it Now, George wasn't having that he didn't want not gonna build apply.
And he wanted He's midfielders to support.
May your poor Merson.
Whoever.
So he stopped and asked if he was a very talented fire.
Uh, you couldn't get in the team that he made eight appearances, so a couple of years or so, Um and he had a really bad back injury ist well, and he ended up actually retiring from football.
Uh, 91 of thinking Watson.
Eddie actually went back.
He prayed in Iceland and then fight to Don't do you 90.
He was a neighbor.
Crop top.
When I think of unfulfilled talent somebody that could have been a the top players like them Tickets.
None of these time the Everton player of this time use that kind of figure back in Iceland Got at 65 caps for his country, and it was a showing.
It it didn't work out some amount stolen that, you know, down to the gaffer.
Not not being his daughter.
No.
You George.
What would have seen him play?
Maybe thought it could change it for being someone who went into yeah, back from got the ball cheaply.
I mean, Liverpool better name for and is it called?
This is the navel of Claire was around 10.
I wouldn't disparage him here.
You know, these Don't be doing a sorry.
Okay.
Yeah, well, he said don't be doing Ah, honey.
Which meant he went into the back for unchallenged.
You got up, took a 56 yard pass turn around, and then you were faced with Jimmy 10.
The pleasure playing against They wanted you as George was promoting that time.
An arsenal.
You get off the front, you fight for the bits of midfield.
Get started from there on, that's where the game is changing dramatically these days, where you see it seems to be acceptable with me if you please go into the back for the term with a ball standing next to the center.
Us and the term of the ball and the no looking 11 players are playing against.
So if you factor in his own goal keeper is two centerbacks into full acts was six players, six players.
Now he's gotta find one of those players one another, five in amongst tend outfield players, opposition.
And they got weird attendant.
I mean, it's no, I could imagine Ryan Moran right now, Tony, you give because we're talking about this for CM.
That was a real passion.
Is don't that's cheap Would sit for when you get the ball.
What was that saying?
Don't be doing a holiday grime.
Ask him.
I remember he was a great player anyway.
I mean, he could pretty play, Couldn't he quit?
And I think it was just a saying that it was, you know, there was a lot of Harry Lime was another one of them aboard Air Eli with free the first man run grab number that running around used to say running room is a great coach.
I mean, it was it was tough as they come.
Ah, you have empathy.
Jamie.
Running Iran.
Sorry, Did he have empathy?
I think that's what Grams sort of alluding to probably that you know, he had that will to win.
But perhaps Grandma don't put words in your mouth, but you may be lacked a bit of empathy towards those who didn't see the game that same way that you did.
So you Is that for me, Dave?
Well, yeah, but it was Yeah.
You can come in on that.
No.
Right.
You talking about running around about using manager?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it's not.
I left all my stuff off.
Well, Liverpool, you know, that's where you know what I want to.
Mine has been trying to coffee as much as they could from from what they were doing.
But you know, the obvious overuse the handover.
Let me jump clear.
Is that the Liverpool attack?
When I heard the Liverpool team, We're still a very good team.
I'm gonna surely for a couple years.
And we're definitely on the way.
That my problem?
That's a cheese.
Too much weight away from from the subject.
You know, people, people who are for fulfilled or pretend shell.
I know we're gonna talk about this, and I know this much.
It was gonna come on a program.
What are also will also think I think the question, too.
Who when you finish your courier on all you guys the injury.
So you'll think you didn't fulfill his potential.
The last unavoidable happened toe.
But for someone like also smart Jimmy, do you think he finishes two years time?
Three or four years time?
You'll look back on his experience.
Say I didn't think I did to himself.
The best chance of you successful.
Difficult, isn't it?
I don't I don't know.
It was a lot.
I don't know what he's like in crying.
I would imagine you could use it when you watch.
It was enough.
Ordered you come away thinking goes off shift in today.
Nobody's I mean, you look at each record ground.
You know he's been Germany's football of the ER about four times, is a World Cup winner, certainly in from his point of view, he's gonna think Well, what I'm doing, Aziz, we dividends, you know, be successful.
I was trying to fight that was actually here.
Cancel on songs when you feel currency for spite it, boy, you can sew.
How is that?
I see him.
We should not have a conversation about because he is so talented we should be talking about one of the greats, that Kim's the Premier League.
But the fact that I don't think I'm alone in thinking this I think that's so much more from them.
You say it was four times lived here in Germany because he picks in Tuesday's when he gets his old for Germany, I think it is time Arsenal, Will you really be deemed a success?
Um, given what?
The pit and given what the thing with no, I d no, I don't think you would be.
You know, they're not gonna win the league any time to spoon with him in the sire.
Uh, no.
It will be regarded as one of those immensely tell.
I think Arsenal fans could see a town to the use and his teammates gonna recognize that they would see that every day, But even they would get frustrated.
But I still like him.
No, I agree with you.
But what I will say is, Will Graham.
I know it's been that easy because he probably played in the worst arson team that we've seen in many years as well.
I think that's pretty been no easy for him.
I get used to what you said about his talent unfulfilled.
He's won a World Cup final.
I'd have given anything to win that.
So he is a World Cup winner.
His talent does it.
When you when you see what he's capable of, it is assessed.
Should he do more absolutely well and I think there's a lot of frustration.
Will you watch him?
But he'll probably look back on his career and he's finished and go.
You know what?
I bought a lot of joy or people.
I wanna woke up with his medal.
I think his and I don't know him is that says, I can't speak for him.
I guess you'll probably look back and go.
No, I had a great career.
That's how I see how I don't know the lead.
So it's very difficult to understand what goes on there.
Someone knows his brain.
I think you look back and think of a more high you don't you see?
I mean, I will go back to our started.
There's no conversation should even be having because he's that talented I am.
I could go back to when I was 15 years old and I remember something.
They stayed with me throughout my career.
Bill Nicholson was talking to Don't Beat Me specifically its 1st 15 maybe 16 years old.
Any stop you?
What?
Midfield players, too.
And he said, Watery bungle.
Mechanical, Reba.
Uncle the plate for spurs.
Axes a midfield player.
Watch him when we lose a ball, he said.
His friends back quicker than he sprints forward on that.
Stuck with me Forever is a midfield put on again on Almost all souls are 10.
Sometimes it feels sometimes striker, but when he loses the ball is just a general disinterest to do the hard yards.
And it's not a long enough.
And maybe he's given carte blanche to be like that.
I think you know, if you wrote their first re, actually, you give the ball with yourself.
Especially first reactions to Sprint.
It also be partners to Lucas of all back for you.
Jamie.
Yeah, well, it's Jamie.
You separate all sorts of problems.
Is Graham's already alluded to Do you look at your your own career, and I know you've been doing some introspection yourself recently because you're writing a book on Do you?
Would you say that you have unfulfilled talent.
Were you able to make the most of what you were given?
Well, I suppose I signed the Liverpool's.
A 17 year old grand gave my debut as an 18 year old.
I pay for England that sort of night.
I think 20 years of age, Um, you're not six.
I think with a big was a big opportunity for me to it was a game changer.
Opportunity came out against Scotland.
The half time I played extremely well.
I'll play the rest of the tournament.
I broke my ankle with five minutes to go.
That was he put me out for a year.
The following year I came back.
I was started, find a bit of former, broke my ankle against South Africa playing, bring them together, Um, got any got in the got over that got in.
A Liverpool team regularly became capped him within a year of being Captain Ivan injury.
That is probably the worst singer you can have, which is a control defect.
You and me and I was always playing against time then and but I look back regrets maybe sometimes that the frustration would have been when you're injured you probably inclination to go out.
Maybe, you know, because you were out for a year and every times when I've maybe go out for a few drinks with the boys when we go back down to London.
When I tracked crap, shoot a state in Liverpool and rested up the next day, you'd want the way your knee was a bit swollen, and then you'd realize what I probably shouldn't matter to you, but I was a young lads.
But what I think back a unfulfilled talent.
I don't think I can honestly look myself.
I was a great trainer.
I adored football.
I've never had an obsession of passion for the game, so I'm thoughtful talent.
No, I tried my best, you know, and to say it's not what you said to me when I was, but my little boy's up there in the garden playing football.
Now 11 years of A's.
I play for my country Captain nipple.
I've only I would have said unfulfilled talent.
No, I understand a little bit lucky could have done better, could have been a better player at size two, but in terms of working on my techniques and trying to become a footballer.
I think you've got free Peep, Peep Peep around this in on this soon conversation, it would all say, Well, we did all right.
No going on in common?
No, sir.
I was gonna storm it.
I don't think that it serves an unfulfilled potential.
I've got nothing.
I describe myself that way.
You know, I would have cut the league titles.
Lied cops.
Kat Miller, Scott The F A Cup Couple of Golden Boot's played for England so that it's an amazing TV, really looking back on everything I would never when I was a boy.
But the last two years of my career, I've got huge regrets from that only school.
About six goals over those three seasons, Something ridiculous when my confidence fell off the cliff, the various reasons, and it was a miserable time in, you know, those last two years.
That's the exact opposite of her old want mark career to end, which did finish early with a knee injury.
A 32 uh, but I always still think about those years and we shall change.
Then we shall go to just change my mind set on doing my career path.
We should have done something different to get out of that up because it was a really miserable time that dragged on and on.
You know, we're talking three seasons, and that's a long time.
The only highlight was just going the winner in the company's Cup final against Palmer 94 then the following summer.
Oh, that's a cook.
So he wasn't the way I would have wanted to go.
But, you know, it was a whole You looked at your current here when you think it was all so lucky to have under living on a football and the last that you have the times that you experience, you know, so lucky.
So you can't think about the bad times too much?
No, I grace much.
Go and pick up on Jamie.
What was he like as an 18 year old?
Who?
You gave a debut, too?
Do you want so that the oldest first or do you want I want the honest station, Please.
It was it was It was a very high was changed.
It was a very, very nice young man.
You wanted to learn he was mad for football.
He and he was one of them.
He had to pull off the training ground.
What's striking about what she was?
A lovely little Larry.
Let's taking the ball.
I want to stay behind.
Remember you and Hutch because he was a realist, but the strength of the balls well done.
And he just had an appetite to learn, which was, you know, that they're the kind of kid you want to work with, and it was tragic.
But at the end of his injury causes great cure.
Is he hot?
I think, um, you were going to plea 60 70 times for his country then and won a lot more, but no fee.
Fi, you're so lucky you get an injury that you got because it was a you stuck.
You think talking Christian ligaments today.
It's the one of the players, little warm because it affects so much here game.
You know, being in midfield, where it's all over stopping and starting and twisting.
And that being aware of your surroundings, that was the worst possible injury about.
And he was big unit team uses.
O'Leary was solid and everything.
You remember the conversation will.
And since the finalists Langley, you got a great attitude.
Are you prepared to cross the line?
And this is how it was in those days.
What now?
Sometimes you have to be prepared to fall out with people.
I said toe and he said, Arkham remember I said so, Yeah, I do that.
I'll do that.
And, you know, I just wanted to get a bit more aggression to his game.
I think is he got away.
But also remember, I'm talking to an 18 year old and seeing this, and I think you got that.
I come back after.
I think it was just injury that prevented him reach a nicer the under normal.
You know, Fair, fair.
Wendy would have food have reached our I remember a David, remember we played south and someone that I am filled.
I just got in the team.
I think I've scored the week before.
Come on again, Way 1 to 1 against Chelsea on De.
So he played South Hampton and I was playing well.
I was anyways, no, Neil, about 10 5 minutes to go.
My number comes up and I felt good.
Why are you taking me off?
I'm looking over and grab some sort of game.
We Come on, come on up.
One around.
So I jumped off the pig, I think running rag, you my coat.
And in those days that the dugouts were sort of just now and I've got a bathroom, a coat, and it's going there, Graham.
And I'm like my adrenaline's flying.
I think I fancy myself against him right this second.
But as soon as it and 10.
20 seconds went on five minutes, 10 minutes.
Don't get down there.
I'm thinking when I get into the dressing room is going to sweat.
It's not me, huh?
It's like I was only made it.
I was about 11 snow wet room and he's gonna kill me anyway.
He called me over.
He said, Jamie said, Come here.
What was that all about?
I swear I thought I was gonna I was gonna stick one on me anyway.
Said, now, listen.
You were great today.
Well played, he said.
But in future, don't throw the coat me again.
What?
You might have to have a quiet demonstrate and I promise I won't let you bring your four.
I know.
Listen, I was flying this well smudge.
I was rid UMA bit.
We're tracking the cop end.
I'm just not that Terry her lock.
And then I get to save me.
Very interesting, Daniel.
All the sort of the highs and lows that you've had to know.
You've got two boys.
Well, a big passionate about football.
Would you would you hesitate to recommend football is a career given the highs and lows that you've experienced?
Oh, no, I'm listing Charlie's a 15 year old.
He's a talented rub your pyre, Bos 11 and his football Maddie's Chelsea Academy.
I'm not, You know, I think it's the greatest lifetime you spent.
You get, you have a kamerad areas like Alan said.
You an address, Tim Room environment.
I mean, since I was 45 years of age.
It's all I can remember as a kid.
Wherever my bad man it is, repeat itself be attacked.
Sorry, it Balmer four in America, which people like Jimmy Gay and Brew in a beauty around Bobby Maura and Geoff Hurst, living in America.
Football, as has been incredibly kind to me.
Everything has been because of my life has been because of football, and I have so fortunate to have done it so if my little boy has the talent and the application on your obsession.
I think that's what one thing I know is in on it.
And it's the same with elements.
That same with Graham.
When you were little thing back to our being kids and a wanted to be a football, it was an obsession about to be a football.
You calm mess about.
You called just every night again, going the daughter.
You gotta go in the garden when it's raining, when it's cold, when everybody else has gone him, because that's the only way you can do it.
And I've tried to say that to my little boy.
Now, whether he's got that obsession and that is I I don't know.
That's what Alan had.
That's what, Granddad, you can't put it in anybody, though.
Can you tell me you can't?
You gotta calm.
You've got to enjoy doing it absolutely.
And that's what we did.
We enjoyed it.
Graham enjoyed, I'm sure, and I did.
It was just all I wanted to do, and I saw a picture of me as a kid.
Never.
I only had a football in my hands, and that's what was that's what it was about with the kids.
And I think that nowadays you gotta know that nothing being a football today, there's no excuse if you got the talent for no succeeding, really is that when you get to a certain stage, we've all seen the size of the backroom staff.
You've got everything laid on fear.
I mean, you're the sports scientist, the fitness boys, the video analysis.
I look at it, various parts of your body muscles that need strengthen into make your quicker, stronger.
It's all left here.
And the only thing today quite often that does stop people from achieving their potential is the money.
You know you might be a 17 year old is still a year away from the first thing that early 10 going to eat whatever driving the niceties cars.
And I know that's a bit of a cliche, but that is one thing, obviously, that we didn't have back in the day that would stop this.
That hunger wasn't sated by money that he can bay in certain personalities.
You've hurt me and I see on a regular basis in them it was tough going to sit again.
Not you're You've got no chance, but a successful football community got good senior approach.
See, if you agree with us, what you just touch the Nets logic.
You know someone's on the 17 18 on 10 grand a week and you get seats.
You know, for years I was like to be taken off the ball.
That's when you're relying on your senior players to drag him back in time and remote.
There's of their waist and I suddenly went through as a young man, You don't deliver Poland.
Maybe early on, you know, being a Liverpool player.
That's what they pointed out to be.
This is what you do in this situation you do in that situation.
I learned so much and I think you're right.
You know, I think from the age of 12 even before the attraction of the emissions on a bag with your name on it in their cold chess players are called Liverpool Closure Man United players and let's not even go on the first from the ladder yet in there.
First my house bought Fulham and they get too much to assume maybe that's that's the rest of the world's, you know, not just in football people like we all went through apprenticeships.
I can still relate back to that.
I will learn things.
No problem, Jimmy.
The best job you have was tuned in.
The brass is not men like that.
The grass playing that role that the doors the door handles.
You got to the 70 become a senior apprentice.
You got them inside job.
Supposed this'll have to be edited.
Talk about CD specials.
Gray And I remember going up to Liverpool to do a game with you.
I think he was probably even last year on.
Guy was on the train and someone was chatting with me and he said, Who you working with them?
I said he was working with that.
It was you it And it said, Oh, Summer best wishes to Charlie, won't you?
I said, Would you mean Are you talking about Charlie?
You want me to tell you?
Just tell me what Charlie today and I had no idea who he was talking about.
So I did a dug a little deeper, and I was completely e taken by surprise when I was told that you were the original Champagne Charlie and that was your name at Liverpool.
Some reason this has Bean kept is a secret from make.
So would you like to explain how this ultimate professional got such a nickname?
I'm often remember Bill drinking evolves off champagne on dhe, um, over the world.
Lots of reasons to drink champagne.
Liverpool in those days.
Be back in a sec.
Yeah, until he said, Well, obviously we're in a great deal, so Oh, Jewish in around.
But I do, and it's still today.
I'll have a glass of champagne.
Just don't say in volume anymore.
If you do with your flamboyant lifestyle in Okay.
No, no, absolutely.
I was contrary to what you fear.
I was not much of a drink here.
I didn't.
Yeah.
Move the m.
You know, I generally test myself.
What is your silence?
You'll be 50.
Be pleased.
Too late.
I've still got that bottle of Dom Perignon, which Mr Maria gave it.
Sits on ice waiting for a happier moment to drink it way.
My Julia.
Hi.
You know the story.
Don't we go to the training ground?
First sight.
Where was it?
Where was all of us?
So Joe's Day produces about the Dom Perignon.
Very, very nice champagne on Dhe.
He says, Please drink that.
My compliments.
So somewhere that ball champagne ended up.
And then George household Yeah, and ways substituted it with percent.
Call somewheres.
Here's the champagne, boys.
Prissy thinks he's got away with that.
It's not like I said in happier times it would come out again.
Listen, just give me loads of thought that about possible conversations we can have in the future.
I think we'll leave this one there for now.
Look at yourself, fellas.
All right, Everybody dies.
Yeah, all the best voice, like little once much.
Yeah.
Chase might know so little these days, but I didn't like your baby that, mate.
Yeah, sure.
And thanks so much for joining us, but us.