Name: 教皇的天文學家----------60個符號 (The Pope's Astronomer - Sixty Symbols)
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I know it's not your official title, but it's a cook total.

I don't know where people started using that in the first place.

It's a shorthand way of saying that I'm not just in an astronomer, but I'm an astronomer with an interesting position, with an interesting job being the director of the observatory.

I'm only one of a dozen astronomers, but I'm the only one that's directly appointed by the pope.

The real thing, I think, is to remind people that astronomy is the kind of thing you can't make a living at unless you have a patron.

And in this case, my patron is the pope, and that shows the world that the church is interested in astronomy.

The nickname gives the impression that the pope would occasionally consult you on astronomical matters.

Have you ever got a phone call from a pope?

Sang I was wondering about this or that the closest that ever came Waas Ah, when a pope that I won't even be more specific than that was going to be talking to astronauts, and you always have to have some prepared statement.

And could I prepare something for him to say, or even things that might be topic City?

You know, of course, what happens with all of these world leaders is that they meet so many people day in and day out.

They can't prepare their talks ahead of time.

So generally somebody says, Here is some talking points and I did that once when one of the pope's was talking to astronauts.

You've served under three Popes of what is your interaction with Popes?

Um, you know, we don't run into each other in the hallway.

As the director, I'm part of the big audience of re Christmas with all the members of the Curia where you have a signed seedings and my seat is in the back row off from the quarter.

That's something that said the times when I have interacted when I've been in one of these audiences, it's kind of scary to say he knows who I am.

He knows my name, he knows my background, and I guess that means I can't hide.

The three Popes that you have served under.

As far as you know, do they have much of a knowledge of astronomy?

It varied, of course, very from Pope's to Pope, the one that everybody concise have had a great interest in astronomy with pious the 12th.

He was himself something of an amateur astronomer and that would sometimes get him into trouble is he would make offhand comments about astronomy, that he had a 90% right and the 10% wrong.

What's actually like this, I'll say, of the three that I worked with, John Paul, the second was an academic, and so he appreciated academic work and the value of academic work in and of itself.

On the other hand, the one time we showed him images we had made of Comet Shoemaker Levy, he sort of looked at him and said, I'll bless you.

Bless your comments, and that's about it.

When Benedict came to visit, he was full of questions about the meteorites about the work we did a very specific views and is a brilliant, brilliant man.

The other thing that everyone is surprised about Benedict.

He also has a wicked sense of humor, and he was able to trade jokes, academic kinds of jokes about orders of magnitude and things like that, which showed that he was definitely following.

He'd worked in chemistry before he became a Jesuit and as a judge what he's got the academic background.

So he's certainly well aware of what we're doing.

The thing that I think shows the depth of Francis's knowledge is laid out with See that in cyclical, he wrote, which not only gets the science right, but he gets what the science really is.

It's not just a listing of facts, it's not just this is the mechanism.

What does it mean to us, who will always be a little bit wrong?

But we're always striving for the truth, so it gets past the absolutism of the science you learned in high school where you get the answer in the back of the book.

Why does the Vatican have an astronomical observatory?

There is a short answer and a long answer, and I'll give you something in between really astronomy, with one of those things that you studied in the medieval universities, along with geometry and arithmetic and music.

And it was a sense that you have to know how the universe works before you condemn, philosophizes about it or do theology about it.

One of the bizarre and wonderful things about the people of the book the Muslims, the Jews, the Christians is that, unlike a lot of religions, we think the physical universe was made by God, and therefore it's a good thing to study.

You know, the physical world is not a morass that's designed to trap you into evil.

Chocolate is not there to lure you into obesity.

Chocolate is a foretaste of the joy of heaven.

And that means that studying the physical universe in particular cosmology or astronomy, is certainly a way of getting used to the way that God works.

There's also the practical side of things a lot of festivals, a lot of the Jewish holidays and then from them.

The Christian holy days were based on the calendar.

Easter was the first Sunday after Passover, Passover with based on the phase of the moon in the beginning of the year.

That, of course, is why the pope's hired astronomers back in the 15 80 used to reform the calendar.

At that time, for the first time in almost 1000 years, the Vatican was faced with two very different problems.

The idea that somehow studying science, studying the physical universe was against religion instead of in favor of it, which was 1/19 century idea and which was being pushed by people who thought that, you know, science is going to solve all of our problems Steam engines and electricity and eugenics award.

The church wanted to say no, that's not what science is.

Science is not against religion, but they're certainly bad things you can do with technology.

Technology isn't the same thing of science.

Nobody doubts that atomic bombs work because of fusion of atomic particles.

But that doesn't mean we can't argue about with their atomic bombs.

The other problem the Vatican was faced with was that after 18 70 rather than having its own independent nation in the center of Italy, it was reduced to just that area around ST Peter's.

And the Italians didn't even recognize him as an independent nation, having a national observatory with a way of being recognized as a nation.

So it had this theological sense, and it also had this practical political sense.

By the time of pious, the 11th in the 19 twenties and thirties, you find statements where studying astronomy will lead you to prayer and lead you to an appreciation of God.

By the time you get to John Paul the second, he sees science and religion as equal partners in the goal of looking for truth.

And suddenly, science has a very different role than just being a useful tool.

What Francis has done is to carry that one step further and to recognize that science is, ah, human activity.

It's how we humans try to understand the universe and what that does to us as humans.

You talk about having an observatory being useful because astronomy can help inform theology.

But it sounds like, you know, the pope's not picking up the phone and taking advantage of this resource that they have here.

They don't have tohave you today, Thio inform the theology.

Well, then it seems like a resource they're not utilizing.

If it was simply a one on one connection, that would be true.

But in fact it's two communities talking to each other.

It's the community of all theologians is community of all scientists, and we are along that boundary.

There's a dozen of us doing a dozen different things so that under John Paul the second, for instance, at his insistence, the Vatican Observatory began a series of conferences on the nature of divine action in the physical universe so that we began this collaboration with an institute in California called the Set of a Theology in the Natural Sciences, published a bunch of deep theological books that people are still referencing.

A lot of the stuff that I do is popularization.

I'm standing up here with a Roman collar and an M I t ring.

Don't kiss it I write articles for newspapers in Italy, in America, in England, and I show up on things like this at the end of the day by existing, we remind the scientists that religion is not their enemy, even Maur.

We remind the religious people that science is not their enemy.

Does that mean this department of astronomers that's here exists a lot because of public relations?

Public relations is basically all of life.

My father was a public relations man, one of the founders of the Public Relations Society of America.

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