I'm particularlyproudbecauseasthesecondincarnationofthiseffort, wefinallytrulydeservetocallourselves a biennial.
Fromthebeginning, I hadtheideaofcreatinganevent, creating a anenthusiasmaroundnewmusic, what's goingonbothinthiscountryandaroundtheworld, and I thoughttheweighttodothatwastogetasmuchhelpaspossible.
But I'vebeen I'vebeensodazzledbyYou'rewell, reallyputtingyourmoneywhereyourmouthisandandstandingupforfellowcomposersandyou'vetakenit a stepfurther.
Inmyopinion, withthisthisendeavorthatyou'regoingtobesharingwithusandthebiennial, it's aboutsupportingthemusicandperformingit, butalsoreallyexploringin a meaningfulway.
Whatwehopeis a truceenergybetweenperformersandcomposers.
Canyoutellus?
Justassumewedon't knowanythingbecause I basicallydon't knowanything.
Tellusabouttellusaboutwhatwe'regoingtogettohear.
Well, um, I thinksharedmadness.
It's It's firstofall, it's aboutthisincrediblecommunityofartistsandcomposersthat I'm a partof, and I feelreally, incrediblygratefulthat I'm a partofofthiscommunity.
Thewaytheprojectcamekindofcameaboutwasthat I hadstruggledfor 8.5 yearstoraisemoneyforaninstrumenttobeabletoplayon, and I wasactuallycarryinghalfthedebtwith a lotofinterest.
Um, butin a case, um, so I wasveryluckytherewas, Ah, gentlemanandhiswifecameto a concertofmine.
Um, andwe'reactuallyintheCDsigninglineaftertheconcert, andhecameuptomeandwhile I wassigningtheCD, said, Youknow, I lovethefactthatyoudothesecommissions.
Andso I actuallymadetheinitialcallstotothecomposers, and I startedeveryconversationwithpleasefeelfreetosaynoimmediately.
Alsobecause I thinknoartistshouldworkwithoutfee.
And I explainedmyyouknow, thesituationandwhat I'vebeengoingthroughforand 1/2 years.
And, umandthereasonwe'veendedupwithtwonightsofworldpremieresisbecauseand I wassomoved, and I'm sogratefulbecausealmosteveryonesaidyes, which I totallydidn't thinkwouldhappen.
Actually, umand I almostbrokedownineveryconversationbecause I couldn't I couldn't believethatthatthattheywouldbesogenerousofnotonlytheirtime, buttheirtalent.
Um, andandtheirgenerositytowardsme.
Um, well, I mean, it's a beautifulstory, but I havetosayit's a twowaystreet, and I knowthatforthecomposersthatyouchampion, they'reinspiredbywhatyougiveandit's it's not.
It's notsocommon, for I think, a lotofcomposerstofind a performerwhocanalsobe a kindofmuseandwithwhomit's possibletobuildprofoundrelationship.
Um, andyouknow, SoSothat's been a verykindoffascinating, um, Ray, becauseit's it's reallyveryuniqueandindividualvoicesrespondingtothiskindofconceptandthereasonitwentaroundthis, Thereason I chosethenameeventuallysharedmadnesswasbecauseeverythingwasaboutfinding a sharedcreativespacewiththecomposer.
Butitwasalsoaboutsharingthismusicwithcommunityandthinkingabouthowweasartists, servehercommunity, Um, andalsohaving a sharedexperiencewiththeiraudience.
Well, I'm a violinistmyselfinIn a way, I'm a callit a traditionalist.
Asfaras, theviolingoes, I lovethesoundoftheviolinandthejustthebeautifullinesandnotesandandthingsthatMozartwasdoingalreadyinBetaseven.
Butthisideaofextendedtechniques, if I mayask a technicalquestionasitwere, um, it's it's veryexciting.
I thinkthat a lotofcomposers, andmaybeyoucangiveanexampleortwoaredoingthingswithinstruments, notjusttheviolinthatmaybewe'reneverthoughtof.
Likeyoucouldtake a trumpetandhititonthefloorandmakeit.
I mean, actually, onecomposerdidaskif I could, like, hitthefiddleLordknockagainstit.
And I waslike, Yeah, but, um, sothey'remultiplethings.
I'm thinkingofseveralcomposers.
Umkite, I thinkifpeopleknowKayaSorry, a hostmusic, Ofcourse, there's a lotofdifferentkindofcolorationwithkindofMonticello.
Um, quite a fewcomposershaveworked a greatdealwithdifferentkindsofcelltosstoedifferentdegreesofLetmeteachyouThesearethesearetheseairtermsthatthatconcernedwherethebowconnectswiththestringsofMonticello, isplayingveryclosetothebridge, whichisthewoodenpiecethatistheistheendpointofthestringandsoultossed.
Ohisplayingwiththebowveryfaroverthefingerwheretheotherdirectionthatcreates a kindofwispyareakindofsentence, andthenonecomposersishavingmeplayoverthebridgeontheotherside.
Yellsundergone a numberofchangesfromHoratioParker, too, PaulHindemithand, ofcourse, mycolleagueJacobDruckman, soveryinfluentialintheseventiesandeighties.
Ah, and I thinkthatifwecansayanythingabouttheprogram, it's that, um, ourdiversity.
Ourwidespreadinterestinnewmusicineverypossibleformcharacterizesussothatthatonecouldnotsay, I think I thinkmycolleagueswillagreethatthere's notreally a YalesoundorYalewayofdoingthings.
I mean, actuallyjuststruckmelookingatJennifer's program, thatofthehowmanyJennifer, Howmanycomposersonyourprogram?
Morethan 30 I wouldsayAtleast 10 ofthemareYaleeducatedcomposers, andthevarietythatJenniferwillrepresent, I think, willbetestamenttothethewisdomofthatthatwewehaveexploredavenueswithoutideologicalpreconceptions.
I personallyallovertheideaofengagingineducation.
Infact, I seenonodistinctionornobarrierbetweenwhatwedo, forexample, atthePhilharmonicandwhatisbeingdoneatYaleor a Juilliardoranyotherinstitutionofhigherlearning.
Um, becausein a way, everythingwedoiseducation, anditmakes a lotofsense.
Thio, bringinwhat's goingonat a great, greatschool.
Um, Aaron, it's Ah, it's nicetoseeyou.
Sorry.
I sawit.
E thoughtyoureyeswereclosed.
I thought, Have I alreadyfailedinmyhostingduties?
Umanyway, welcome.
Um I mean, you'reobviouslyah, marvellouscomposerofgreatdistinction, butbutyou'reCanyouwell, tellus a littlebitAboutwhat?
Whatyou'vewrittenforfortheforthebiennial.
Well, I actuallyaminvolvedintwoconcertsinthebandinintheYaleEvening, whichfeaturesworkbyallofthefacultyatYaleandareverytalentedandspecialcomposerHillaryCarrington, whose a studentatYale.
So I have a smallpianopieceontheYaleconcert.
I thinkeachofushas a smallchamber, worksororah, worksthatAirPremiershave a smallpianopiecethat I actuallywroteforthedeanofthemusicschool, RobertBlocker, andhe'llbegiventheworldpremiereofthisatatthisconcert.
Um, thepiecehasbeenbeenwaitingfor a premiereforabout a yearand 1/2 and I knowhe's beeninhisstudioworkingdiligentlywheneverhehas a moment.
Um, he's a very, verydevotedperformer, aswellasbeingincredible.
Deanincrediblydevotedtoschool.
Thelargework I haveintheBiennialisontheconcertwiththeSanFranciscogirl's chorusintheBrooklynYouthChorusandwiththeKnightsChamberOrchestraandandmypiecesfortheSanFranciscogirl's chorus.
Um, andit's a workthatcameaboutbecauseafterthe, umafterthewholeSiri's offmassacres, particularlythemassacreinParis, inSanBernadinoandlaterinBrussels, that, uminpartbecausemywifeand I haverelativesinBrussels, inpartjustthesharednecessityofrespondingmusicallywith, uhtowhathadgoneonthat I'vecommissioned a youngpoetwhowas a formerYaeliisoutlivingon a farmontheWestCoast, andhewrote a verybeautifulandverypoetictouchingandalsotoughtextthatthatdealswithsomeoftheseissuesofgriefandlossandtheununexplicable, unexplicablethingsthataresurroundingustoday.
I thinkitwasespeciallypoignantthatthethatthispiecewasbeingwrittenforyounggirls, and I reallywantedtotokindofbringittoo, in a way, bringthetheworldtodaykindofhavingthemfaceitin a waythroughthispieceandfacetheirtheirinnocence, um, inintheplacethattheyareagewiseand, um, andwhattheworldisiswhatthey'refacinginthecurrentworld.
Soit's a It's animportantpieceforme.
I'm reallylookingforwardtotoworkingwiththegirl's chorusandthenightsandumand I I hopeitwillbe, uh, I'm movingit.
Then, aspartofthebiannual, I thinkit's It's interestingfourperformers, butparticularlyforcomposers, theideaofinspirationbehindworksandandwhen a realworldeventhappensthatprovokesorinspiresordemandsthecompositionof a newwork.
Doyoufindthat?
Actually, youbecome a differentkindofcomposer?
Isitpossibletoforsomeonenottoknowanythingabout?
I mean, ifthere's text, I guessitwouldbehardtoignorewhatwhat's beingsaid.
Buton a musicallevel, doessomethingchangeinyourDNAasyou'rewritingsomethingandyouareyouchannelingsomethingthat's different?
I'm justasking a kindofsortofvague, perhapsunfairquestionaboutinspirationandwherethelineisdrawnbetweenCallitpuremusicororit's a terribleterm.
Butpoliticalmusic?
Well, I thinkitwasveryclearthatwhenthiswhentheseeventshappenedand I realizedthatthatthispieceneededtoberelatedinsomeway, thatitabsolutelycamecameoutofutternecessity.
Itwasasif I changedinthatinthatday, andthetheconnectionswiththeyounggirlswiththisfestivalbecamejust a utterdrivenneedtotomakethispiecehappenandtocallthepoetandandtalkaboutthetoneandthepoetryandthewaythiswouldbeelicited, anditreallybecamealmostlike a kindof I don't wanttosayblindbecauseitwasn't blind, butitwas a verydrivenandveryforcefulexperiencecomposingwise, Um, butevenifyoudidn't know, I thinkthere's a There's anelementoffgrief, enoughofoffofpoignancyinthepiecethatisdefinitelygoingtobeveryapparentandalsoviolence.
Hillary, I confess, I'm notfamiliarwithyourmusic, but I'm excited, excitedtohearit.
You'reanaccomplishedcomposeralready, butyou'realsocurrentlypursuing a master's you'restudyingat.
Yes, I'm inthemasterofmusicalartsprogramatYale.
It's againforgivemeforthrowingoutperhapsunfairquestions, but I'm actuallycurious.
Andonethingthat I havetolearnas a studentiswhatmyteacherreactsto, um, how I can, youknow, getthebestcommentaryandadvicefrommyteacher, and I kindofhavetoadjustaccordingly.
Howwouldyoudescribeyourmusic?
Mymusic?
Umwell, imyoungandit's it's alwayschanging.
Butrightnow I think a lotaboutclarity, aboutcommunicating, communicatingsomethingasclearlyaspossiblenotjusttotheperformer, butto a listeneraswell.
When I wasattheprecollegeatJuilliard, I studiedcomposition, andlet's justsaythere's a reasonwhy I haven't pursuedit.
They'verunthenewmusicNewHaven, Siri's ofwhichwhatyou'reabouttohearfromusis a representativeconcert.
SoChriscangiveyou a pictureofthat.
I shouldsay, Firstofall, thattheprogramisallgraduatestudents, sothat's somethingthat's differentfrom a lotofuniversities.
Alltheperformers, Allthecomposersaregraduatelevelstudents, andsothey'vealreadycometothe, youknow, tothetablein a waywith a certainskillset, whichmakesitreallygreat, andsoandthey'reveryselfmotivatedtoconnectwiththeirfellowstudents.
Sowhatyousee a lotisthattheperformersairseekingoutthecomposersonthesite, eventhoughwehavethisofficialstructurethatwecoordinateallofourconcertsforandwesignplayerstoplaytheirmusic.
A lotofthethingshappenoutside I justoutofindividualinterests.
Andwhen I teach a Juilliard, I amsometimeswishweweredoingevenmore.
There's a lotofcontact, andthere's somemarvelousnewmusicprogram, butit's ahfeelslikeit's neverquiteenough.
Well, I wasgoingtosaythatunlikesomeinstitutionsthathave a newmusicensemblethatisdirectedtoperformallthenewmusic, wehavealwaysconsideredtheentireYaleSchoolofMusicinstrumentalcohortasourasourensemble.
Sooursins, rightforeverybodyintheschool.
Andforthatreason, uh, Yalehasproduced a Siri's overtheyearsofcomposerperformercollectives.
Also, wemeetonce a weekin a seminarsituationwhereallthefacultygatherswiththestudentstoreviewtheworksthathavebeenperformedinournewmusic, NewHaven, Siri's andwelistentothemagainandwecritiquethemin a kindofroundtablediscussionofwhatwewhatwethinkofthem.
Andbydoingthat, wenotonlylearntoetocomposebetter, butwealso, in a way, welearnedhowtotalktoeachotherin a productiveandsupportivewayabouthowtobecomebettercomposer.
Howdidcomposeshowtobecomestrongercomposersand, um, in a way, whereperhapsworld 100.
I hopethatsomeofyouwillbeabletocometothegreenspacetohearthisconcert, which I dothinkrepresentsvery, verywellthebreathandstrengthoftheprogramattheschoolofmusic.
Andwhen I wasprogramming, thatactuallyfoundthattobe a, um, kindof a nice, doubleedgedsword, Um, inthatmyowntakeonprogrammingandmyfavoriteconcertsthat I gotoisthatthereis a Thereis a goodamountofspaceofambiguityintherethatletstheaudienceisimaginationbeengaged.
Soit's notreally a prescriptiveprescriptive, um, experience.
Um, Sowhat I'm what I meanbythatisthatalltheallthecomposer's representedwhocomeafterLigetyhave a selfprofessed, Um, youknow, they'reveryinfluencedbylickety, and I wasapproachingitwith a simplequestionofhowaretheyinfluenced?
Um, andeachoneapproachesthatin a verydifferentanduniqueway.
SothatwasThatwasmyreasonwhy I wantedtodothisbeyondjustprogramming a concertofreallygreatmusic, whichisultimatelytheshouldbethefundamentalendeavor.
It's some.
It's excitingformebecauseLyga t insomeonesomanywaysisasmoderntodayhaswhenhewrote, wrotehismusic, whichisnotactuallythatlongago, buttothinkaboutrelatively, I meanessentially a contemporarycomposer, althoughhe's nolongerlife.
I'veworkedwith a lotofpeoplewhoworkeddirectlywithhim, and, uh, andwe'reabletocoachnotjusthismusicbutotherotherpieceswithhim.
Um, butdespitehisrelativenewness, hein a wayhasalreadybecomethiskindoficonicfigurethathasinfluenced, asyousaid, a newgeneration.
Butbut a lotofpeoplethinkofLiggettisalreadykindofhiscuttingedgeisagainst.
Thewaythatthespiecesinteract, itcasts a lotoflightononLigeti's musicandthevariousfacetsthatarecontainedwithinit.
It's interestingyouryour, uh, similarlyoftheoftheslipperyfish, I thinkisinterestingbecause, as a youknow, ifyouthinklikeStravinsky's imageofthefishandthebullswimmingaround, it's alwaysthesamefish, butalways a differentfish.
That's what I findwithLigeti's music, becausenomatterhowmanytimesyouhearit, itkindofredefinesitself, anditscanbeincrediblycomplex.
Uh, thetime I I spentthere, I was 19 and I was I was I guess I wasgoingthroughkindof a roughpatchofhow I feltaboutplayingthecelloandsortofwhattherelevanceofwhatwe'redoingistotheworldaroundus.
And, um, theymeantheygaveme a bigresponsibilityofdoing, um, Boulez's massageskeysthatyear.
And I think I was, like, 19 and I hadtoplayitforhimand I waspetrified.
I wasprettymuchreadytojumponthenextflightbacktothe U.
S.
Um, andjusthavingthatexperienceofhowniceandencouragingsomeonelikethatwaslikehewassuch a legendinmymindthathewouldtakethetimetoworkwithme.
Itwasveryencouraging.
Thiokeeponworkingthat I wasn't totallydeluded, beingsoobsessedwithcontemporarymusic, thattherethereare a lotofpeoplewhoareverypassionateandsupportive, um, ofyoungpeopledoingit.
Soitwas.
Ithas a veryspecialplaceforme.
It's nicethatyoumentionedthatpiecebecausewe'reactuallyplayingitononeofthemanyconcertswiththeNewYorkPhilharmonic, andit's suchanamazingpieceand a reallyimportantone, too, andiskindofinhislargeroutput.
Um, aswe'vealreadyheard a littlebit, it's ah, it's actuallyunusual, I think, too, tousetheconnectionwithyoungmusicians, manyofwhom I thinkmaynotbecomeprofessionalmusiciansandwhomayenter a chorusfor a completelydifferentreason.
And I'd lovetohearyouguyswhowererightinthethickofit.
Tellus a littlebitaboutthat.
Lisa, doyouwannajusttaketheballandrunwithit?
Yeah.
Uh, youknow, it's it's beenincredible.
I asartisticdirector, thatSamschoolgirlsCourse I'm actuallymight.
Myroleiscuratorial, so I'm notthemusicdirector.
I livehereinNewYork.
Ah, butitmeanswhen I govisittherehearsalprocess, I gettohearthemworkingonAaronCurtis's piece, forexample, oronmyownpeace.
Andah, what I'velearnedaboutaboutaboutkidsandnewmusicisthat, Ah, oncetheygetthefeelingtherushof, of, ofconquering a newscoreandtheexperienceofgivingtheworldpremiereof a piece, it's allover.
I mean, theyjusttheytheythat, youknowthebughasbittenthem, andtheyreallytheyreallywantmoreofthat.
It's a kindofanenergythatthefeelingofownershiptheyhave, um, creating a newwork, interactingwithcomposers.
I'm hopingtoseesee a lotofyoungpeopleattheattheevents, andtherearesomanydimensions.
I mean, it's notAh, as J.
Said, theideaistochoosegreatpieces.
But I alsoreallydohopethattheyoungmusicianswhotakepartinthebiennialhavethatbugthatyouyoujustmentioned, evenstrengthenedsothattheybecomethenextgenerationofpassionateadvocatesforwhatwedo.
Diane, Howmuch?
HowmuchnewmusicareyoudoingwiththeBrooklynchorus?
Theourtopensembleiswasn't intentionally, butit's almostallnewmusicas a asoflate, andwestartedkindoframpingupfrom 2007.
By 2011 weweredoingfulllengthprogramsofalloriginalmusic, andthatreallychangedthenatureofourgroup.
I thinkthatyouknowmymyapproach.
Mydesireofdoingthisworkwasreallydrivenbythesoundofthattroublevoicethatreallyspecialanduniquesoundmorethankindofbeing a traditionalchoralmusicfan.
But I thinkthat, um, partofwhattheissueformehadbeenthatthemusictheysinghousetofeelrelevantandinterestingtothemtoreallyconnecttoitandthedifference.
Youknow, whensingersairsingingsomethingwherethetextorthemusicitselfisjusttherightfitissuch a completelydifferentexperiencethanwhenthey'resingingsomethingthat's kindoflikeOh, yeah, wedothispieceAndthen I gobacktomymusicthat I enjoyedthat I reallylistento.
Sowhatthecontemporarymusichasdoneisit's allowedustoreallyworkcollaborativelywithcomposerstoamplifywhatourtalentsare, whatwhere I smartare, soundis, andthestudentshaveincredibleownershipofthemusic, andtheylearneditinsideout.
EithereitherofyouwhogoontobecomeprofessionalsingersIsthat a hopeofyours?
Oristhatisthat I'm actuallyanexampleofthatbecause I wasintheSanFranciscoGirlscoursewhen I was a girl, and I am a professionalcomposerandprofessionalsingernow.
But, youknow, wefind, um, oneofthethingsthat I findreallyexcitingaboutabouttheprograms, andwealsohavemultiplelevels.
Thesisthatthereis a wayinwhichwe'retraininggirlsinourcase, girlstoenterintomusicallife.
Butthewealsoarecelebratingthefactthatwearethatweoffer a comprehensivetrainingprogramforgirlsthatcanmakethemintonewaudiencesorjustalso, youknow, makethemintopeoplewhowhounderstandhowtomakethingsin a community, totostriveforexcellencein a communityandwhateverwhateverfieldtheychoosetogointo.
It's allcertainlyon a continuum, andit's allessentiallymusic.
Sothat's greattobebeinstillingthatkindofthatthatvalue, um, systemwithyoungmusicianswhowillmake a difference, whetherthey'reonstageorintheaudience.
Colin, I'veknownyouand a numberofcapacities, andyou'vereallycreated a kindof a phenomenoninNewYorkwiththeBrooklynRiderandthenights.
Butnowyou'realsorepresentedas a composer.
Um, it's verycool.
Thankyou.
Uh, yeah, it's a lotofdifferenthatsthat I enjoywearingandfeelluckytolive a lifethatthathappensasmanypeopleheredoasyourself.
Umbut I thinkyouknow, thisisanincrediblyexcitingthingtobe a partofandthinkyouandeveryoneinthefilmforthinkingofit.
And, um, thisproject, I mean, thebiennial, it's incredible.
Itiscreating a community, aseveryonehastalkedabout.
And I thinkwhenwewereaskedtodothis, wetriedtothinkwiththeKnightsofthemostfestivethingpossiblethatwecouldimagineatthetopofourheadsatthatmomentwhichhappenedtobethatLisaBulavaherewhowegowayback, um, numberofprojectswiththeKnightsandBrooklynRider.
But I thinkinnocenceisn't onethatoftencomesupasthefirstthoughtinpeople's heads.
Thus, youthchorusisbeinganinterestingwaytothinkaboutthat, though I willsaythatboththeSanFranciscogirlscourtsinBrooklynyouthcoresareprobablysomeofthemostworldlykidsyouwillmeet.
Butyetthey'restillteenagers.
So I thinkwewerereallyexcitedaboutthatjuxtaposition.
And I thinkthatallthecomposersontheprogramthatwe'redoingintheirownworkhave a certainmixtureofearnestnessandworldliness.
Butifyougoback a fewmoreyears, itwas a stringorchestrainitsearlydaysandhas, uh, well, obviously, I mean, it's noteven a questionabouthowhasitevolvedovertheyears?
Well, firstofall, we'vegottenolder.
I havemoregrayhairbecausebasicallydidallgrowuptogether.
I studiedcompositionattheJuilliardPreCollegedivisionandloveditLemon, likeSyriatakingittothislevel.
Andthenincollege, I wasveryfocusedonthefileinandthecraftofthatwith a doseofsomeotherstuff.
But I thinkoutofschoolwhen I foundedmyowngroupswithmyfriendsinBrooklynRiderandtheNights, and a bigpartofthiswasalsoplayinginYoMa's SilkRoadEnsemble.
I feltliketherewas a lotofstuffinmyheadthat I neededtodosomethingwithandinspiredbytheexampleofpeacepeoplelikelySabiaLava, whoareperformercomposers, startedwritingstuffformforthegroup's thanthat I'm inandthatdevelopedAnd, um, youknow, afterfor a longtime, I feellike I couldn't usethewordcomposer.
But I think, asyouweretalkingabout, ifyou'vewritten a certainnumberofnotesthatyoufeelokaywithyou'reallowedtostartusingthatword.