Guess what we just did A podcast with, Ah, little pony.

Abraham time.

It was my birthday, so we had a lot of birthday surprises.

They had a lot of special guest.

Wendy Williams might be involved.

It was a lot I'll put down their friends.

Hey, what's up, guys?

Yes, I know this supposed be a scary video with scary music and candles and all that.

But I am so excited right now.

I'm literally shaking.

Today is the day we are finally going to talk to Low Mikayla.

Now, I have been talking about little Michaela for a year.

Is she really is she fake all the theories about who this person actually is and even some of you guys have made videos about Yeah, she looks like a frickin cartoon character.

Like, What's good?

Girl was good.

Like, you look like a frickin Simpson cartoon character.

Like if if you're really who doesn't make up Now, over the last year, the story of who is little Michaela has completely blown out.

I mean, there are hundreds of articles asking Who is she who created her?

What is the story behind this girl?

Huffington Post, which is a huge website even said Low Michaela Instagrams Latest big Girl is confusing the hell out of everyone, even news channels.

Are you two talking about?

Just check out what helped Frank to say The Internet seems to be confused.

If an instagram girl by the name of little Makayla is a real person or a cartoon, let's look at some pictures and not a real person.

Boom, Done sound Don't know how anyone was confused.

Look at her look at any other woman that's ever in the frame with it, but then still said something that actually was pretty deep.

And, uh and my mind blow up.

Michaela is as real as every other Instagram model you follow is as real as me for a lot of you.

What I mean by that is, if we never meet each other in person, I really only ever exist in your phone, your computer, your TV screen.

Literally everybody in my life has been talking about this person.

Even some of my YouTube friends have set in here.

I just cracked the frickin case of all Makayla.

Whoever is filming for Makayla is sitting on the right side of the runway sitting right now is someone with a green hat on and next to a girl as well.

So I found the video.

If you go all the way down on her instagram almost to the beginning, she has this video right here.

Paris Fashion Week.

Just invited to my first show.

Thank you, Aunt Sophie Madsen Studio in Paris.

Sashimi.

Kelly is right here next to look for it.

So if you go to this video right here with Aunt Sofia knots and ready to wear Paris Fashion Week right there, there's the orange scar.

There's low Makayla there she frickin is right there, filming on the phone, toppled to the instagram.

Crack the case Before we get to the interview, I just want to break down a few things.

So there's a new theory that I didn't know about, and it kind of seems like it might be.

There is a girl named Nicole Ruggiero, and she's a three d graphic artist and just take a look at her instagram page.

Yeah, it's a really impressive three D art, but also a lot of them look like little Kayla.

And then, if you look at a picture of just her.

It literally looks like Low Michaela before they added on my digital features.

So is it her?

Is she little Kayla?

And this is one of her projects, Or is this some bigger plan?

Is this a gimmick created by the record labels because music industry is struggling right now?

So did they think creating a digital artist would somehow blow up and make them a lot of money?

Because that's not the first time something like that has happened.

Now I'm sure some of you guys remember the band Gorillas.

Yeah, this was a virtual band.

All the members of the band were cartoons and all of their voices and instruments, and everything was created by one guy.

Damon Albert was the brainchild behind.

He's saying all the songs you wrote most of them, but a lot of people don't know that they think of the guerrillas as cartoon man.

Even in Japan, for the last 10 years, they've had their own digital pops.

Her name is had soon NICU, and she literally is a pop star who performs live using a hologram watch.

Yeah, literally a hologram.

People are screaming, it's crazy, but it's awesome, and it's genius if you like.

That's what the little McHale is now.

The biggest question is, Why do we care?

And why are we so interested and fascinated by it and feel kind of weird?

Well, that's because of a theory called the Uncanny Valley.

Now the uncanny Valley is a hypothesis.

Human replicas, which appear almost but not exactly quite like human beings, make people feel eeriness and revulsion.

Just looking at a robot or a digital person that's too realistic literally makes your insights.

Feels most people feel uncomfortable, a little anxiety, a little fear, and a lot of people feel that way when they look at pictures of Kate.

Now, there is only so basically, if a robot or digital person doesn't look that real people feel comfortable and they almost feel happy.

But if it gets too far and it looks to really that's when people started.

So I'm gonna show you a few examples of different lines Now, First, I'm gonna show you a video of a child robot.

Now, this does not look at really so you should probably just feel nothing.

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of creepy, but it clearly looks like a robot, so you probably don't have a fueling fear.

Okay, so this next one I'm gonna show you is a little closer to uncomfortable.

This is a video of the robot getting some dental work.

I mean, it still looks like a robot, so I'm not completely over here yet, but I'm still weighing more uncomfortable than I was when I was watching the kid.

Well, now I'm going to show you the full side about now.

You're probably expect me to show you some crazy robot that looks just like a person.

I'm gonna show you a clip from a video game where the people inside it looks so incredibly riel.

There's something off and I don't know about you, but when I see clips of this, it just makes me feel weird.

Just Jake.

So you picked a name, Tom?

One of Michael, But seeing as we're having a girl that didn't work well, keep Michael in your hip pocket.

That way, when he's a better, do you see what I mean?

Like, it's super real, but there's something off.

But it looks crazy real.

If you squint your eyes that looks like a video of a family sitting down in a restaurant.

But then when you really focus, you're like, Wait, no, there's something wrong that is way over here on this side of the line.

That is where little Mike.

Now, that leads us to today.

I'm expecting a phone call from Little became.

I literally can't.

I'm freaking out, but let me just Okay, So before we get to Funchal, I just need to, like, process this with you guys.

Let me explain how I imagine this Thio.

Firstly, I do not think Loma Kayla's went to answer the number one question visual are you?

I think she's gonna ignore that.

I think she's gonna be like Michaela, and I'm gonna be like, Yeah, but, like, are you think your old man will be like, No, I'm sure like it's gonna be like that, but I don't even care.

Like I just need to hear a voice.

I need to talk to her.

I need to figure this out.

So I know this is probably gonna be frustrating because we're not gonna get all the answers we want.

But I'm hoping that this will, like, get us some of them.

And I know going into it that I'm gonna be annoyed, and I'm gonna be frustrated.

But I'm still saying yes to the interview, because Islamic Kayla and I just I need it.

I I'm so, so nervous.

So I'm gonna turn up this camera, and I'm gonna wait.

And the next time you see me, we're gonna be on the phone.

Okay, guys, she just texted me, saying she is calling in, like, a minute ago.

God.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

I have my questions here.

I'm gonna get all Diane Sawyer on this girl way, so I'm gonna record the phone calls so that you will actually sound good because she didn't want to Sky Island.

What?

Hello?

Hey, Shane.

Oh, hello.

Little with this'd is Michaela, not Mcw.

Ayla.

Not Kuala Mikayla.

We're here, and we're Michaela.

Oh, my God.

I generally, I'm sure.

Are you quick ing though?

Okay, so first of all, you, uh, sound like a girl.

You don't sound like a group of 50 year old guys.

Know that was, like, the rudest comment I ever got.

I'm not a 50 year old man.

Excuse me.

Bench.

No, that's me.

Okay, so I Listen, I have all my questions written out.

I'm really, really nervous.

This is the most exciting thing I've ever been.

And I'm gonna hit you with really hard questions.

Okay?

Okay, I'm ready.

Okay.

Number one through this may be shocking, but I'm Michaela.

I know.

What are you?

A girl who is digitally enhancing their pictures on instagram.

So look, so I keep getting asked if I'm really fake, but I'm really here.

I'm really talking to you.

I'm really g m ing people.

I'm just trying to make some great art and make the world hurt less.

That was a very strategic.

So what you're saying is you are a real person.

I'm saying I'm really talking to you right now.

So maybe you do face, tune or digitally change your pictures.

Can you know one person on Instagram who doesn't at it?

Their photos.

Who does not edit their photos?

You're making this very hard.

Okay, so you do digitally enhance your pictures.

That is confirmed.

Who doesn't?

Uh, question number two.

Why didn't you want to show your face in this interview?

Why didn't you say no to Skype or in person?

Why did you want to do a phone?

Well, It's not really a trustworthy place out there, especially for those who are different.

I think a phone calls a good entry level point.

And what's better than a phone call these days?

Okay.

Okay.

Why did this take so long to put together?

We've been wanting to do this interview for months.

So what made you finally decide to do it?

Well, I decided a while ago, but just never really got to it.

I've been working on my music.

I had my modeling campaign, you know, should takes time.

So it took you a long time to put it to get there because you're making music.

Which makes the theory that maybe there is some company trying to create a digital pop star makes sense.

Wow.

How did you jump to that conclusion?

I mean, listen, this is probably the biggest theory, and my personal belief is that yes, maybe you're a real person, but maybe you have a good voice and you don't like the look.

And maybe a company is trying to make it into a pop star because digital pop stars will never age, and you could make them prettier.

And maybe you're saying something about like the world of pop culture by being digital like there's a lot of theories like that.

I think that intellectual stuff that I've read is really thought provoking, like the idea of it being commentary on what's really and how the Internet is changing relationships.

But I think people's interpretations of me say way more about them.

Okay, so I'm gonna go through a list of people who people think you actually are, and then you just tell me if it's true.

Okay?

Love it.

People think that I'm little Michaela.

Totally true theory is confirmed.

You know, Shane is not well, Michaela.

2nd 1 Nicole Rubiera, who is a three d digital artist.

People think that that's okay.

The other big one is Darth Vader, which I was dark debate.

Oh, she's so cute.

Some people think that you are a promotion for the new Sims game symptoms pretty dead.

So, you know Oh, shots fired.

Okay.

All right.

Now, you've been promoting a lot of stuff on instagram like clothes and music and candles and other stuff.

So some people think that you were created to promote stuff.

I would never say that I have promoted anything.

Everything that I've worn or Ted, that's my style.

And it's usually something that my friends have made or collaborated on.

I've never been paid to promote anything.

Okay, so where you from?

I'm from Downey.

So, like, OK, group next to Danny and Long Beach.

So you grew okay?