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  • The Birds and The Beatles meet The Liverbirds from

  • Merseyside, teenagers who have teamed up to try and break

  • the male monopoly of the beat world.

  • Boyfriends have had to have the brush-off,

  • and the girls spend most of their spare time

  • rehearsing.”

  • Well, we did.

  • Yeah, of course we did.

  • We did, every day after work.

  • But I did have a boyfriend.

  • And this was a good excuse, and I said, “Oh, I'm sorry.

  • I can't go out with you anymore,

  • because I've got to really concentrate on my music now.”

  • Oh, look.

  • There's one here, that John Lennon said we'd fail.

  • Yeah.

  • Liverpool, 1962.

  • Everybody was playing music.

  • People were saying, there's this fantastic band on,

  • and they look great, and we've got to go then to The Cavern

  • and see them.

  • I was 16.

  • And I'd never been to a concert or a dance before.

  • It was so hot in there.

  • It seemed as though the sweat was running down the walls.

  • Just sitting there, waiting for them to come onstage.

  • And then that was it

  • The Beatles.

  • [MUSIC - THE BEATLES, 'SOME OTHER GUY']

  • (SINGING) Some other guy is making me very

  • Oh, my god.

  • I said to my cousins, “We're going to be like them.

  • And we're going to be the first girls to do it.”

  • [MUSIC - THE BEATLES, 'SOME OTHER GUY']

  • [CROWD CHEERING]

  • I was born just after the war.

  • So much of Liverpool had been damaged,

  • and they hadn't managed to build new houses yet.

  • Four children, my grandparents,

  • and an uncle living in a three-bedroom apartment.

  • I think about how sad it was, how cold it was in winter,

  • because we had no heat.

  • We'd put coats on top of ourselves

  • as well to keep us warm.

  • The parish priest would just knock at the door

  • every now and then.

  • And when my mother opened the door,

  • they'd just give her an envelope

  • and say, “Here, Maggie.

  • That's for you.

  • Buy something that you need.”

  • I wanted to be a nun to pay back

  • what they did for us one day and help all the people that

  • were poor.

  • But before that, I wanted to earn a lot of money

  • to help my family to have a better life.

  • So when I got home, I said to my parents,

  • We're going to start a girls' group.”

  • “A group girl?

  • What are you going to do there?”

  • And I said, “Play.”

  • But you can't play anything.”

  • Well, we've got to learn.”

  • We went to Hessy's.

  • We said, “We're starting a girls' group.”

  • And they said, “Oh, that's a good idea.”

  • We just bought the guitars and the drums.

  • Although we couldn't play a note between us.

  • We started go into The Cavern with our guitars.

  • Talking to other musicians, well, they all

  • thought it was a great idea.

  • Oh, my god, girl, isn't that crazy?

  • But when are you going to start practicing?

  • And we tried and said, “Oh, this

  • is a lot harder than we thought it was going to be.”

  • [KNOCKING]

  • [DOOR OPENS]

  • And there were two girls outside the door.

  • We said, “We're looking for Mary.”

  • And he said, “What you want off our Mary?”

  • We said, “Well, can we speak to her?

  • Because we believe she's got a band.”

  • Oh,” he says, “I don't know about that.”

  • He said, “Mary!”

  • And Valerie, she was like the main one.

  • You've got a band?”

  • Oh, um.”

  • We knew it was a fraud.

  • They couldn't play.

  • We said, “We can't play.”

  • She said, “But you've got the instruments.”

  • We said, “Yeah, we've got the instruments.”

  • So Val said, “Look, don't worry about that.

  • I'll teach you to play.”

  • [MUSIC PLAYING]

  • Valerie was a very good musician.

  • She had a very deep voice, long black hair

  • with a fringe.

  • There was something about her that

  • made you be a bit frightened of her

  • if you didn't know her properly.

  • Mary, she was quite shy and sort of quiet, you know.

  • I couldn't understand how she wanted

  • to start a group and thing, because she was so quiet.

  • And very religious.

  • Oh, I was still going to be a nun.

  • I was going to play in the group for a few years,

  • earn a lot of money, and then be a nun.

  • Very religious.

  • Sylvia was always bubbly.

  • - [LAUGHS]

  • And Sylvia wanted to play guitar.

  • But Sylvia's hands were too small.

  • [LAUGHS] So I said, I'll get a kit of drums.

  • My cousin left.

  • And somebody said, “Well, that's strange,” he said,

  • because there's a girl here tonight.

  • She's just told me that she's from Liverpool

  • and she plays guitar.”

  • That was Pam.

  • And we came up with Liverbirds,

  • because that's the emblem of Liverpool.

  • [MUSIC PLAYING]

  • And on this one day, the compere Bob Wooler

  • said, “Would you like to come and meet The Beatles?”

  • Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

  • So he took us into the dressing room.

  • We had our guitars with us.

  • It was just John Lennon and Paul McCartney.

  • And he said, “This is The Liverbirds.

  • They are going to be Liverpool's

  • first all-female rock and roll band.”

  • And he turned around and he said to Mary, “What's that?

  • What have you got there in that case?”

  • So she said, “A guitar.”

  • And John Lennon just looked at us and he said

  • [CHUCKLES] — “Girls don't play guitars.”

  • And we thought, oh, god.

  • We're going to show you.

  • Then we practiced, and practiced, and practiced,

  • and practiced.

  • You have to do rudiments

  • mama, daddy, mama, daddy.

  • Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

  • Mama, daddy, mama, daddy.

  • And this gentleman came up to us, and he said,

  • “I'll get you all bookings up and down the country.”

  • “I'll give you all 7 pound a week.”

  • [CHA-CHING]

  • Oh.

  • We were ready to go on tour.

  • [MUSIC PLAYING]

  • We toured all over England.

  • Playing all around different places.

  • We were playing with a group called The Kinks.

  • We did a few days [INAUDIBLE] with The Rolling Stones.

  • We didn't have time for boys.

  • Too busy.

  • The four of us just belonged together.

  • We were best friends.

  • The Beatles came back, raving about the Star-Club

  • in Hamburg.

  • Now everybody wanted to go to the Star-Club in Hamburg.

  • We wanted to be as famous as The Beatles.

  • Why not?

  • And so what did we do?

  • We sat together and said, “Well,

  • who should be our manager?”

  • And we said, “Brian Epstein.”

  • Who is that?

  • The Beatles' manager.

  • Brian E — how old are you?

  • Brian Epstein said, “Yes, I'll manage you,

  • and I want to manage you.”

  • I know it's crazy.

  • But it's true.

  • And we said, “We want to go to Hamburg.”

  • Terrible idea,” he says.

  • If you go to Hamburg, you won't come back.”

  • And so then we thought, right.

  • We need another manager.

  • We just said, “Good-bye.

  • Bye-bye.”

  • The next day we're on the train going to Hamburg.

  • Then when we got into the streets of the Star-Club

  • and we saw it, it was all sex

  • sex, sex, sex bars.

  • [GASPS] What is this?

  • Oh, my god, this can't be true.

  • [BELL TOLLS]

  • And then Mary saw the church.

  • I'm all right.

  • There's a church next door.

  • [LAUGHS]

  • The Liverbirds.

  • [CHEERING]

  • [MUSIC - THE LIVERBIRDS, 'PEANUT BUTTER']

  • (SINGING) Peanut, peanut butter.

  • Yeah, it tastes so good, but it's so hard to chew.

  • Peanut

  • Peanut butter.

  • That was the first time we did a television show.

  • And it was massive.

  • Yeah, I like peanut butter, and you like peanut butter.

  • Oh, now, we like peanut butter, too.

  • Let's go!

  • [CHEERING]

  • So we've just got to go and rock now.

  • Rock and roll.

  • We did really massive tours all over Europe.

  • Switzerland, Norway, Denmark

  • Vienna

  • Holland, Sweden.

  • All over Germany.

  • Crazy, crazy days.

  • The people and the crowds were getting bigger.

  • We were The Liverbirds.

  • We were The Liverbirds.

  • [MUSIC PLAYING]

  • Fans used to meet us as we came off the plane,

  • just screaming, yah!

  • People running after us, autographs, presents.

  • Royalty, you know.

  • Pam started taking pills to give it a bit more energy.

  • Oh, the pills.

  • [LAUGHS]

  • We played at the Star-Club with Jimi Hendrix.

  • And Jimi Hendrix was sitting there, and he said,

  • Are you the Liverbirds?”

  • We said, “Yes.”

  • He said, “Which one's Mary?”

  • That's me.”

  • He said, “I've been waiting for you.”

  • I said, “What for?”

  • Because I've been told that you make

  • the best joints in Hamburg.”

  • Very religious one, and rolling joints

  • for Jimi Hendrix.

  • And did you try one?

  • One time.

  • Well, maybe twice.

  • [LAUGHS]

  • It's these youngsters from Liverpool.

  • Ladies and gentlemen, The Beatles.

  • [CHEERING]

  • Just like The Beatles.

  • There's always been an ambition

  • to at least go to America.

  • But go there and play would have been even better.

  • Manfred Weissleder ruled the Star-Club.

  • He said, “Well,” he said, “it's up to you.”

  • But

  • They want you to play in Las Vegas,

  • and you'll have to play topless.”

  • That was what he said.

  • We said, “Topless?”

  • Could you imagine me on the drums playing topless,

  • shaking my head, and everything else, you know?

  • So we said, “No, we're not going.”

  • We turned it down.

  • [CHEERING, APPLAUSE]

  • That one that Pam wrote, 'Why Do You Hang Around Me,' that

  • was very popular and famous.

  • [MUSIC - THE LIVERBIRDS, 'WHY DO YOU HAND AROUND ME']

  • (SINGING) If you've found someone who loves you more

  • and give you love you never had before

  • We stayed in Hamburg and became very well known

  • all over Europe.

  • We didn't even think what might have happened

  • if we'd had gone to America, or what

  • might have happened if we'd signed up

  • with Brian Epstein.

  • We just thought, we're enjoying it,

  • and that's the main thing.

  • Why do you hang around me?

  • Of course we realized it wasn't

  • going to go on forever.

  • A little thing happened.

  • That I got pregnant.

  • Mama, daddy, mama, daddy, mama, daddy, mama, daddy.

  • [LAUGHS]

  • And I was having problems.

  • I had lots of problems.

  • I had to go see a doctor.

  • And the doctor said, “If you carry on playing,

  • you won't have this baby.”

  • And so that's when I had to leave.

  • Valerie, we were playing in Munich,

  • and there was this gorgeous boy dancing

  • right in front of the stage.

  • And Stephanethat was his name

  • he had a big rose in his hair.

  • They got together.

  • And he drove all the way from Munich to Hamburg.

  • And just before he got to Hamburg, he had a car crash

  • and was paralyzed for the rest of his life.

  • So Val went to the hospital.

  • And when he woke up, and he said

  • he'd come to ask her to get married to him

  • She married him.

  • The offer came to tour Japan.

  • But Sylvia had left, and Val couldn't come to Japan

  • with us.

  • So we rehearsed with these two German girls,

  • went to Japan with them.

  • They were good.

  • But this feeling of belonging together,

  • it wasn't the feeling anymore.

  • So we decided, this is the time to stop.

  • I had a wonderful life.

  • I was probably one of the luckiest ones.

  • One night at the Star-Club, somebody

  • said, “There's a fella out there.

  • He just looks like Bob Dylan.”

  • And that was Frank, my husband.

  • Decided not to be a nun.

  • Me?

  • I married John, my John.

  • I regret not going to Japan, because they

  • had a wonderful time.

  • And we could have gone on more and more and more

  • if Val and I would have been there.

  • It was a shame.

  • But what if I would have lost my first son?

  • I would have then blamed it on playing the drums.

  • Sylvia and I, we had the best part of it.

  • Stephane just kept getting worse and worse,

  • and Valerie was taking care of him for 26 years.

  • She went through a really hard time.

  • So she started drinking very heavy.

  • When he died, I said to Val, “Why don't you

  • come back to Hamburg?

  • At least you've got me here.”

  • So she did.

  • She came to Hamburg and realized

  • that she was more interested in women than in men.

  • Got together and Mary said to me, “This is Val's girlfriend.”

  • I said, “Oh, hello.”

  • Happy again.

  • And spent the last 10 years happily

  • married until she died.

  • Pam, she never got over the group splitting up.

  • She became really addicted to cocaine and drink.

  • And she got cancer of the lung.

  • And I spent the last days in the hospital with her.

  • I kept talking to heroh, didn't we

  • have good times together?

  • And you wrote some beautiful songs.

  • Such a talented person.

  • Thank you.

  • Thank you very much.

  • From The Beatles, there's still

  • the drummer and the bass player still alive.

  • And from The Liverbirds as well

  • Sylvia and I. Sylvia and I both

  • lost our husbands two years ago,

  • within 10 days of each other.

  • And then this musical started just

  • after they died that shows us when we first started out.

  • Because we were one of the first all-girl rock and roll

  • bands.

  • So that brought us closer together.

  • We telephone each other and we say, “Gosh,

  • we really did do that.”

  • This thing we started together when we were 16

  • and finished when we were 22 and 23 —

  • It was just meant.

  • It was meant.

  • It was meant for us girls to get together.

  • It was meant for us to go to Hamburg.

  • It was meant for us to meet our boyfriends.

  • It was meant for us to have our children,

  • our grandchildren.

  • Meant to meet you.

  • There must have been some sort of destiny

  • behind it all.

  • We were The Liverbirds.

  • We were The Liverbirds.

  • We never, ever got as famous as The Beatles.

  • But we started as friends, and we ended as friends.

  • [DISTANT CHEERING]

  • That's John Lennon's house.

  • [INAUDIBLE] That's great, isn't it?

  • Yeah.

  • Really nice, that.

  • Really nice area.

  • Accessible by the National Trust.

  • Tickets available.

  • And where's the placard?

  • Oh, there, look.

  • John Lennon lived here.

  • And that was his room.

  • Oh, that littlethe little one at the side, or there's

  • the

  • No, it's not on [INAUDIBLE] — this is [INAUDIBLE]

  • Oh, right.

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