I really believed in the mission.

I believed that it was bringing

something like democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan.

But now, I don' t see how you can be a killer

and be a nation builder at the same time.

There's a concept that if you kill the wrong person

you just create more insurgents.

How do I win the hearts and minds of the local populace

by walking around with a machine

gun in their neighborhood and shooting at people?

Democracy doesn't come in a box.

It's not something that fits every country.

And it's an ideal that America has never

been willing to let go.

The fact that we've gotten to this place now,

in 2019, where poll after poll has shown that nearly two-thirds

of Afghan and Iraq veterans have said,

quote, “The wars were not worth fighting,”

is remarkable, because that's a higher rate than

the American people at large who didn't serve.

The United States does not possess

the capability to ultimately alter the outcomes

meaningfully in Afghanistan.

I consider myself a conservative, a Republican.

In 2011, I had read that things were

on the way to getting better.

But when I was deployed to Afghanistan,

I can tell you, I saw violence was going up

the civilians were getting killed,

the Afghan military were not being effectively trained.

Our leadership had been lying to us.

You cannot accomplish with military power

a political outcome.

”The bad news if we leave this place it'll

to go to shit in a year.”

“Seriously?” “If we pull out, this place

will fall apart very, very quickly.”

“In terms of our security, you need

to maintain some footprint or some guarantee

that Al Qaeda won't resurge in the area.”

There's this line of thinking that if we

withdraw from Afghanistan,

there will be a new civil war that's going to start.

O.K., there is a civil war going on in Afghanistan right now.

The Afghans were having a civil war in 2001

when we first went in there.

They had been fighting for years.

And our presence there does not stop it.

We're keeping our troops there indefinitely

because of this idea that if we leave there's

going to be this vacuum.

This idea really needs to be questioned.

It's really not an idea of safety.

It's really keep our troops on the ground

to control the Muslims and the brown people of Afghanistan.

I don't think the American people have actually

really refreshed their browser on the Afghan war since 2001 or two.

All the guys who are responsible for 9/11

are dead.

The primary enemy in Afghanistan is

the Taliban.

It's crucial for Americans to understand

that the Taliban is not Al Qaeda.

Whereas Al Qaeda is centered on going to war

with the United States,

the Taliban rejects that entire idea.

Their concern is not to make the world Islamic.

It's to make Afghanistan an Islamic emirate.

The fact is right now that tactically

on the ground in Afghanistan,

the Taliban are in a very strong position.

Southwest Afghanistan is just a free-fire zone.

Everybody is getting shot at regularly.

The Taliban own the area outside of us

and they would just bombard our towers all day

and we'd fight back and forth.

And then we'd have to go out on patrol, even

though patrolling was stupid because as soon

as you leave the walls you have no protection.

I remember hearing the first explosion when

the first Marine landed on an I.E.D.

and it seemed entirely meaningless to me.

There seemed to be no redemptive meaning

behind this death.

I was there when we had 140,000 troops on the ground.

And I can tell you there was vast areas of the country

that we didn't even have influence.

Now imagine the 14,000 troops

we have there right now. They're not protecting anything

back home.

We're creating war zones and we're creating refugees.

People are going to get mad.

They're going to get upset and they're

going to get tired of it.

They're going to want revenge and they're

going to figure it out.

It's a war that we've spent $1 trillion on now.

It's a war where thousands of people have died,

where children are growing up and all they've ever grown up in

is a war zone.

That's the big lesson we need to learn.

Diplomacy and targeted military deterrence

is what will keep you safe.

Whether we leave tomorrow or whether we leave 10 years from now,

the outcome is the same, which is a brutal civil war

and half the country is going to fall under Taliban rule

again and women are going to live in a medieval situation

until the Afghan people as a whole come up

with an Afghan solution to an Afghan problem.

It hurts like hell to say we should leave.

But the argument that we should stay there

because we are protecting women's rights

is not good enough anymore.

Whatever we do is never going to ensure

that the most disenfranchised people in Afghanistan

are going to be protected, that women are going to have

their rights protected.

That is a burden that America will have to bear on its soul.

I've seen firsthand men that I've

known that end up getting blown up

there, and I've questioned

what do they sacrifice themselves for.

But I'll tell you what I'm worried

about even war is that is the ones who haven't died yet.

Kids are joining the Army today --

today -- who were born after 9/11. Within six months,

they'll be in Afghanistan.

My dad was in the military.

My grandpa was in the Marine Corps and my daughter's

4 now -- she's about to be 5.

And I want the war to be over.

Because 12 to 15 years from now,

I don't want my kid to die in the war that I went to.