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  • This disease has challenged everything

  • that we believed was right six weeks ago.”

  • It's different than anything we've seen before,

  • and maybe the way we've taken care of things

  • is not the right way of doing it.”

  • There is a lively and healthy debate,

  • that I think is a good debate, about what the right thing

  • to do here is.”

  • “I'm concerned that if we continue on the path

  • that we're on, that hundreds of thousands of lives

  • and lungs may be at risk.”

  • It's actually kind of vital that we not

  • deviate from those treatment protocols

  • because we know that they reduce mortality.”

  • Low oxygen levels.”

  • They will tire out within a few hours.

  • So what's your next step?”

  • Before Covid-19, I would recommend putting you

  • on a breathing machine.”

  • “I would have rushed to intubate.”

  • Because that was probably the right thing to do.”

  • “I know when to put in a breathing tube.

  • I've worked long enough, and I've worked enough places

  • with enough people.

  • But in this disease, it is extremely confusing, you know,

  • it just doesn't make sense.

  • Listen, I stocked up for the apocalypse, like most people.

  • Now, I just can't believe that I ever

  • thought that I'd somehow be home

  • to make all my frozen food.

  • On a normal day in an I.C.U., you have very sick patients.

  • Patients willare dying, but this is just different.

  • It's justyou have a disease we don't understand

  • that is very deadly with patients that are scared

  • and staff that are scared, and on top of that,

  • it does not appear that we have a good treatment

  • strategy other than a ventilator.

  • And we don't — we're not sure when to put a breathing tube in.

  • The crux of it is, we don't want to put a breathing tube

  • into someone who doesn't need it

  • knowing that there's a 70 percent chance they'll die,

  • and then we don't want to not put it into someone

  • who would need it too late.

  • When you go to the E.R., and there's like

  • 40 people that need oxygen, and they all

  • look terrible, but they can all talk to you.”

  • And no apparent distress whatsoever.”

  • And then you get them on a monitor, and you look up,

  • and you see this oxygen saturation

  • of 45 percent or 50 percent.”

  • And telling myself this is impossible.

  • This is not possible.

  • How can this be?”

  • It's just not compatible with life

  • to have an oxygen saturation that low.”

  • You know, this is strange.

  • It's out of a horror movie.”

  • “I've been unable to sleep because I'm trying

  • to wrap my head around it.

  • This goes against anything I've ever believed.”

  • The paradigm of ARDS is not matching with the patients

  • that I'm seeing, so it's like trying

  • to fit a square peg into a round hole.”

  • The core of the core of the coreit is just,

  • what disease are we treating?

  • And are we treating something that is naturally ARDS,

  • or are we not?”

  • We protect the lung against what we do to the lung.

  • Protect it from what?

  • From what we do in mechanical ventilation.”

  • So what he is saying is that we just have to be gentle.

  • People will need a ventilator, and those that do

  • need as high oxygen as possible, as little pressure

  • as possible, in order to buy time until this demon

  • virus stops.”

  • These patients have ARDS.

  • I think the editorial has both been misinterpreted,

  • and I think people have misunderstood

  • that it's just that.

  • It's an editorial.

  • It's not a study and it's not a trial.

  • I don't doubt that people have seen

  • some cases with some terrifyingly low oxygen numbers.

  • On average, they're as sick as prior cohorts with ARDS.”

  • “I just think it's important to say that it's not

  • a settled question.

  • Every hospital in the world is probably

  • solving its problems slightly differently.”

  • We're using an early intubation strategy here,

  • and of our first 66 patients, already a third of them

  • have been extubated.

  • I'm arguing for evidence-based medicine, which is something

  • that we all purported to agree with before this outbreak hit.

  • We have large, randomized, controlled trials.

  • The patients in those trials had

  • met the same diagnostic criteria

  • that our current patients meet.

  • We should apply the results of the trials.”

  • Today, we do not rush to intubate.

  • Intubate shouldn't — has become the last resort,

  • and the protocol once they're intubated

  • has changed drastically.”

  • So within the last two weeks, I mean,

  • what has been unacceptable has become very acceptable.

  • Some of these patients don't need to be intubated.

  • You watch them carefully.

  • You make sure their oxygenation is adequate,

  • and they can recover.”

  • “I am not saying we don't need ventilators,

  • but perhaps we need to think about how we're using them.

  • Somebody, and preferably people

  • that are not taking care of patients every day,

  • needs to look at the disease and figure out

  • how we can treat it better.”

  • The truth will come out eventually.

  • In the meantime, the question is: What do we

  • do until that happens?

  • And yes, I'm nervous.

  • I'm scared everyday when I go into work,

  • but I'm just trying to do the best I can.”

This disease has challenged everything

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