Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles - [Jeremy] Thanks everyone for getting started. Hold on one moment, and we'll begin in about 10 minutes. - [Woman] Begin. - Okay everyone, this is Jeremy Schifeling with Khan Academy. Thank you so much for your patience getting started this morning or this afternoon, depending on where you're calling in from. It is my extreme privilege to introduce you to Conor Corey. He's one of the most awesome teachers that I've met in a long, long time, and just someone that I wish was teaching my own kids because of the incredible way that he goes about engaging his own students. So Conor, thank you so much for being with us today, and thank you for sharing your expertise with the larger Khan Academy community. - [Conor] Thank you, it's been great to be here. It's been a pleasure to be invited in. - Absolutely, let me see if I can get your webcam set up here. Just go ahead and turn that on if you can. All right, we're in business. - All right. - So again, thank you everyone, for making time out of the day. I know, this is week two for many of us as far as kids running around while we're trying to serve our students. Conor's in the same boat. You have four kids, is that right, Conor? - I do, and they are all at home. My wife is distracting them in the other room right now, and so if you hear screaming in the background, that's coming from me. - Well there you go. That's the secret to being a great teacher is having a very supportive spouse, so thank you to her, and thank you to your kids for letting us steal you away for about half an hour. But I promise to make it super worthwhile for everyone on the line, and so I wanna start with a little bit of your background as an educator. Tell us a little bit about how long you've been teaching, what you've been teaching, the students that you serve, and then we'll go from there. - This is my 17th year of teaching. I spent the first 13 years of my career teaching in the Philadelphia School District public schools. We were on a contract issue. For a few years, I went back to school to go into administration, and that's kind of really where I found my love for curriculum and math, more than administration. I, around my 14th year, I took a job as a math interventionist, which was kind of a new position in Centennial School District, but it was one that I thought was needed. It was more of, every school has reading specialists most of the time, where students are pulled out to rebuild a foundation for literacy, but that foundation for math is sometimes skipped as they go grade to grade, so I was, for three years, I spent, pulling students for small group instruction to rebuild their mathematical foundation, and then this year, I went back into the classroom to teach middle school math, which is a passion, obviously. So I am back as a sixth grade math teacher this years. - That's awesome, and tell us a little bit about how you've been using Khan Academy. - I've used Khan Academy for about 10 years now. I think it came out of a need more than anything. While in Philadelphia, as most large, metropolitan school districts, we're a little bit underfunded, and some of the materials that we needed were not available. The class set of books was of 20, but I had 34 students, and they were kind of 10 years old. So you had numerous wonderful pictures drawn in by fifth graders over the 10 years that resembled me sometimes. But, so we had to find a way. Also, most of my students weren't on level. They were two years below level, maybe some are a little bit advanced, but getting that material became red tape paperwork of, well, maybe you have to fill this out because we're gonna see if they're special education, and it's, no, they're not special ed., they're just a little behind in fractions. I just need the material. Kahn Academy kind of gave me that for free, and I was able to implement almost a centers-based approach like many literacy teachers already do at the elementary level. We kind of rotate our class each day in that way, where I may teach one group of 10 students on a third grade level if we're all working on geometry, and then they'll rotate, they'll work on Kahn Academy, and then a project in the third station that has to do with geometry, but then the next group, it may be four grade, and fifth grade after that, and kind of try to hit their academic level overall for each of them. We may not get to the third grade student on a third level to a sixth grade level that year, but we will rebuild the foundation so the vocabulary makes more sense and they can strive further rather than just kind of skipping along and hope they pick it up. - Very cool, so build those foundations kind of like Tim Vandenberg has been talking about in his Mastery Learning Webinar. - Yes, and Tim, I share the same belief as Tim most of the time. We did many things of going back to kindergarten and starting all the way over, and it's doing fantastic. - Very cool, and so, in the sense of the academic side, I think one of the things that any follower of your Twitter feed, which I shared in the chat a second ago, will notice is you really bring this joy and this love of learning to everything you do in the classroom in normal times, in the best of times. What are some of your most successful engagement techniques for really getting your kids excited about Kahn Academy, and more importantly, just learning itself? - I came to the belief a long time ago that all kids, it doesn't matter your background or where you're from, they enjoy kind of embarrassing their teacher, seeing their teacher look like an idiot, doing things that they would not normally be able to do in a school building, and I figured attaching memories like that to my classroom was always the best way. I think it came about like, it came out 10 years ago, there before all the Fortnite dances and everything like that. There was a dance called the Wu-Tang that all my students would just not stop doing, and in the schoolyard, if you looked down at the schoolyard, there's 200 kids in a circle dancing, and one kid, he just walked by and he sharpened his pencil and he started dancing, and I was just kiddin' around and made fun of him, I'm like, "That's it, that's all you got? "You better practice before you go out to the schoolyard." He started side, talkin' trash, he was like, "You can't do it." I'm like, "You were born in 2004. "You don't know anything about Wu-Tang." I'm like, "I got it." Then they all wanted to see it, and it was, "Okay, if you all get to 20%, "I'll go out in the schoolyard and do it," and they loved it. They worked so hard those next two weeks or so, and then it kind of spiraled from there. A kid had a water balloon in their desk one day and I, the many reasons you wouldn't think a kid would have a water balloon in his desk, you almost had to stop and go, what possessed you to think this is a good idea? Then we started talkin' about, "I'll let you throw water balloons at me "if you guys get to 30%." Those kind of memories, we just started doin' crazy stuff, and I've worked with unbelievable staff over the years that join in, and we just try to get things that they can't purchase, like certificates, but more of memories that they wanna do. - That's cool, and so what kinds of results have you gotten with this approach, like making yourself say, "I'll do whatever it takes to get you to mastery?" - I think you hit almost every angle of your students. You have the introverted students who may not wanna say they wanna study it, and you have some of the, your most extroverted students that are the ones screaming and always doing stuff. You're getting all of them to work for a similar goal, which is to embarrass you, or even the other staff members. We did one, you wouldn't believe. When I was at Willow Dale for three years, I had an unbelievable staff, and one time we did a wheel, it was called The Wheel of Doom, and we put all the teachers names on it, and they basically, whoever won LearnStorm for that month, whoever had the highest growth, that class came up, we made an assembly. I had 16 teachers come up front and sit there in chairs, and they would spin this wheel, and it would land on ketchup, mustard, mayonaise, and they would just get to squirt it in the teacher's face, and they had a blast while 400 kids are in the audience screaming and excited about math work they're doing. So I think it was, things like that just engage students more, and whether they, the learning comes secondary. It will always come as long as they're excited about something. - I love that. So obviously, those are the best of times, being their physically for The Wheel of Doom. We are far from the best of times right now as we chat, unfortunately. What are you doing with your students today to drive engagement in this remote learning environment? What would you recommend from that toolbox of best practices for everyone else listening right now? - I mean, I'm going, I'm attempting, always trying new things. I'm attempting to do similar things with just getting the students excited. I think a lot of teachers are starting to run into federal guidelines of online learning, I think that's becoming a struggle, but I've used Flipgrid throughout the year to communicate, and now we're using kind of Zoom meetings to see, just to get in touch with your students and do things, not work that's required, but voluntary for something to do. Your students miss you, they do. I miss them, and right now, we're doing a TikTok challenge because I know that's everything my students are into right now, so I put out a few assignments on Kahn Academy, I said it's voluntary. If you would like to join in, tell me, and I put them in a class, and I put five assignments up for the week. If they finish those assignments, my daughter and I will do the Flip the Switch Challenge for TikTok, and then it to them through Flipgrip, or send it to 'em through Zoom or something like that. But just to keep them engaged. I send riddle, math riddles to them through there, just to kind of get 'em through the, it's, everything's okay, everything didn't totally stop. Because I think a lot of kids are scared right now. They're looking at adults for answers, and we don't have. So we're just tryin' to, I think, all get through this together. - That's cool, so even though it does feel like the world is topsy-turvy, you're still the same Mr. Corey, you're still providing that same level of excitement and motivation, even if you can't be with them in person. - We're hopin' to. We're gonna actually try to get some of the parents involved next week and see if they will participate in the same things since they're at home with them, and maybe have kids, I think we were gonna do a five refrigerate, five thing blender, so five things you can put in a blender and that parent has to drink it. Try to get the kids involved and the parents involved for something fun to do. But, it's not new learning going on, but we can all use the review, and we just need maybe a couple of laughs throughout it. - Yeah, and that's actually an interesting question. So I think a lot of educators right now are tryin' to figure out, do I take this time as if it's normal school time, quote unquote, and try to push forward with my content, or do I go into that review mode and just sort of keep them stabilizing those foundations, filling those gaps rather than pushing forward. Any thoughts on that sort of conundrum? - I always think right now is a review time. I'm looking at it as, yes, I'm teaching sixth grade students, but they can all review fourth grade content, things they enjoy doing or something maybe they liked from years in the past. Many times, like in literacy, if a child's constantly reading, you don't care if the book they're reading, that they're interested in, is below level. But for math, there's always this different, we have to push them and push them on grade level and never skip a beat. I think this is more of a, let's try to have some fun. We don't wanna, most parents do not know what slope intercept form is, or how to graph systems of equations, so if you're applying that but you're not able to teach it, and you're assigning those things, it becomes a struggle for parents, and I think that's kind of the opposite effect as they're already stressed out enough. - Cool, well I love some of the things you've already shared and answered some of the most common questions we've received. So teachers were asking about, how do you get students working at the appropriate level for their need, and you were talking about even going back a couple of grades if that's where the gaps are. You can do that with Kahn Academy. Okay, 'cause you were asking about, how do you form a virtual sense of community, and it sounds like you're that by getting all the students working towards a common goal, using a platform like Flipgrid to engage not just the students but their parents as well in a really visual and exciting way. What about this question, though. One of the teachers asked, how can I get kids who don't even engage face to face, even in those best of times, to actually engage online, when things are way harder? - I mean, knowing your students is always one of the largest things you have to learn in the beginning of the year. I am always surprised at how some of my introverted students, or some of my students that don't engage and raise their hand and answer questions, how well online tools have worked to let me know they're understanding without them telling me, to gaining perspective of if they're getting a concept that I'm teaching. Kahn Academy has always done that with the assignments and watching them grow where they don't have to be, you know, maybe they're a little bit shy and they don't wanna be the one that asks that question, that they don't know what this word means. But when you see that they're not achieving on something that you know they understand, it can be as simple as just going over next to them and asking them, "Well, what's wrong here," and they're like, "I don't know "what the word denominator means," and that's a simple fix, but overall, to engage them, it's, you see things like Flipgrid, kids love making videos, and I have one student who is very shy, does not talk a lot. I mean, he has friends, he talks to the other kids, but won't engage me very much in class. Once we started using Flipgrid, his whole persona changed when I saw his first video. He was Mr. Stash and he was all very outgoing and this and that, and all the other kids saw it and they started wanting to be in his group to make the next video. Now he runs Mr. Stash Productions. But he's still that same kid in class that won't raise his hand, that won't put himself out there, but as soon as he is able to make these videos. So I found it has an almost opposite effect at times. - Interesting, so maybe that's almost the silver lining of the times we find ourselves in, is because it's not all real time, and it's not all live in the classroom, those students who need a little bit more time on their own to process and sort of share what they wanna communicate now have that time in this asynchronous learning, whether it's creating a Flipgrid video, responding to a Khan assignment on your own time. Students have that space it sounds like. - Yeah, and I think that's always been a significant advantage with Kahn Academy that they have the time to do the assignments again, to try it one more time, to stop and take a hint, or to stop and watch a video. The whole class isn't waiting for you if you're not getting a concept, or you're not moving on with nothing else to do. There's always something that's right at your level that you can kind of take time to reflect and think about. - Very cool, and so a couple final questions and then we'll open it up for live questions from the audience. How can I help students persist when times are tough? You know, we've talked a lot about growth mindset and about grit in the last couple years. Especially in this moment of crisis, how do we help students get through this? - I mean, I think it's important to realize that we are all going through something right now. This isn't just going to affect small parts of our country or our world. I think you're just really reaching out to your students, whether it's through a Zoom meeting or just letting them know that you're still there is so hugely important, because some, everyone thinks everybody's at home, but many parents are still reporting to work, and some of our medical staff and everything are at work large amounts of the day, and children are still at home, by themselves, looking for something. I think it's important to help lead your families and your, as a teacher, in those ways. It's gonna be tough, but I think just keeping at open line of communication is the number one thing that we can do as educators right now, and allow students to ask questions, and allow them to try to persist. But obviously, with growth mindset, we've taught that throughout the year and continuing to do that, but also using a lot of review concepts that are just keeping them going rather than struggling on their own. - That's cool, that's so powerful. I have to give a shout-out Mrs. Andreessen in South Dakota who sent me a video she created for her fifth grade class this morning, and she just said the simple words, "I'm thinkin' about you." I know from my own daughter's experience, if you hear that from the most meaningful educator in your life, that's powerful, even when times are tough. So just keepin' that line of communication open is so huge. Then one last question that came up quite a bit was, okay, again, we're talkin' about students who are all sort of facing major challenges. Some are facing even bigger ones on top of that. If you wanna support your special education students in the middle of this crisis, any words of wisdom for how to serve that audience really, really well? - I think this is an issue that many educators are facing at the moment, and it obviously depends on a child's IEP and some of the federal laws that are coming into play with districts trying to go to virtual learning for the next month, and if they're abiding by all of these laws. For myself and my own experience, I have students in my class with IEPs, I always have my entire career. I never really change what I'm doing for one specific kid. I change the way I interact with certain students and the materials I give certain students and the way they can kind of participate and how I can highlight them here. But many of my students that have an IEP, they are perfectly producing, in math class, they are participating, they're, I kind of just always, like I would do anything else, I value the student, I know who they are, and I know what kind of pushes them, and I try to get into it that way, but right now, with students that do have an IEP, I think there's, districts want teachers to be extremely careful, not requiring any work for almost any of their students as a grade until we kind of get some of this figured out. I mean obviously, we wanna make sure we're hitting all our students, but I think our teachers are doing that. I don't know that our teachers are looking and saying, Well, I can only teach to this group, and I can't teach to my other students that may have a learning disability. I think we're just all in it together, trying to figure out how we can engage everybody and keep an online classroom going. - Great advice. So let me open it up to questions from the audience here. We've got a bunch coming in. I wanna start with a great one from Lindsay. So Lindsay says, "Conor, this has been awesome, "but what kind of goals or targets "do you set for your students? "Do you focus them on mastering a skill, "getting to grade level? "How do you keep them from just grinding toward a goal "and actually feeling a sense of progress?" - I have used personalized goal-setting for now seven years with my students. I believe it's the most effective way, and we celebrate that goal-setting throughout the process. So I have students that are three years of different levels. So what they would all, they have these little Lego guys that, you know, for mastery on Kahn Academy, well, we print those out, and the kids write their name on them, and their goal may say, "I wanna get to 45% in third grade." I sit with that kid and I put it, I hang it up on the wall, and the next student maybe, "I want you to get to 60% on fifth grade." It's usually about 15% higher than wherever they are, but for the one to move on is fifth grade, it's gonna take the same amount of effort for the third, the student who's on a third grade level to move his score. So we really focus these goals on the child's current academic level, and how much effort it would take them to move up. The majority of time, those goals are not on grade level. They are a little bit below, some are a little bit above, but any time a child hits a goal, we usually have something, and if you don't have anything, kids love like, okay, you can take whatever's in my desk that you find that you want. But you'd be surprised the crap that's in your desk, and the things that a kid will take. It'll be a watch that was on the floor two years ago, it will be stickers for kindergarten that you're like, "Yeah, I shouldn't throw these out," and you just threw them in your desk. They'll go through your desk and they think it's the coolest thing ever. We did these, we have these little bracelets. I've been doin' these for years, they're, you can buy hundreds of them for $20, and they just, they start to collect different ones every time they set a goal, but it's small goals over and over and over to eventually get towards mastery. But I think setting grade level mastery for all of your students is just, it's unrealistic, and there's no need to set unrealistic goals for your kids, 'cause they're not gonna be able to succeed, so what's really the point? If you know them, give them the proper level, let them hit small steps along the way, and they start develop that growth mindset, and the kids don't really care what level they're learning on. - Yeah, I love how much of your advice is just rooted in knowing your students. If you know they're gonna be motivated by something that's tangible, attainable, then give them that. Don't try to sort of set the bar way too high and intimidate them. Make them feel good about their progress and they'll wanna do it again. So many questions are coming in about Flipgrid. They're saying, "What is this Flipgrid, "what is it all about?" Can you explain a little bit more there, Conor? - I started, Flipgrid's an unbelievable, it's a free resource, I started to use it heavily this year. I began last year but it was the end of the year, a new platform, I'm like, okay, maybe next year. I started it. Basically, you create a video for yourself. Yeah, there's the front. You create a video for yourself and for your students, and they are, it's almost like its own social media. That video will go out to your students. Your students are now able to respond to that video, and you could just do a topic such as, "Hey, I just wanted to say hi to you guys, "I want everyone to say hello back, "see what you're missing about school," and there is things to help all along the way to get you started. But we've used it heavily for our explaining math this year, where we have students create videos on a mathematical topic, of order of operations. Okay, what do we do first? They'll make different scenes and different movies. Around Christmas we did, what does it mean to have something 20% off? Kids were making their backgrounds of being in a store or paying for something that's 20% off, but they were able to explain to me what those concepts were about and what, how they apply in the real world. That gave me more than any test could ever give me. It showed me, wow, they're actually understanding each part of this process. I think, and you're able to respond to their videos, the other kids in the class leave what's called a Vibe, and they're able to respond. So it forms a sense of community, and then you kind of have, we have a mixed tape that has all our top videos from all three classes, the best ones. The kids, I mean, we vote on the videos, who came up with the most creative, but it's an unbelievable program, and it's 100% free. I would suggest they check it out. Like everything, just kind of start small. See if you can get things started with Kahn Academy, start small. Think of all these platforms for educators and parents, it's kind of like when you get a new phone. You get it and you're like, I just wanna send a funny picture to my friend, I don't need to sign up my Google Cloud, I just, and you're trying to figure it out. But then day after day, little bit after a little bit, it starts to make sense and become easier, and then you start to see the value of all the things you actually have on your phone. I think if we start technology that way in this online learning platform that's going to continue for the next few weeks, I think that's our best option. - Very cool, and then Denise has a question, which is basically, you mentioned the federal regulations and federal advice that was just coming down. Can you talk a little bit more about that for educators who have not heard about what's being shared at that national level? - At national level, you have faith laws that are, basically, you have to ensure that every child has the same access to education. If you're trying to do online learning, there are students that maybe don't have the internet at home, or maybe they don't have a device. The only device they have is a parent's phone that's going to work. So I think by districts pushing out a platform of we're gonna continue school without addressing those needs first, and all the needs that are in that child's IEP of differentiated learning, having an aide, having someone else to explain, I think we have a lot of issues where districts are nervous. Are they providing for every child? That always is the number one thing. You can't exclude a certain amount of children because it's not convenient right now. So there's a lot of, I guess, federal laws are put in place for a good reason, and now, in this unprecedented time, people are like, I don't know if I can get around this, because am I then not educating every child? Am I providing what's been stated by law that I have to do to educate this person? But I think the lack of devices and the lack of internet access and different things is a big issue that many people are seeing. - Great, I'm gonna throw down the gauntlet for you a little bit, Conor, I'm gonna stretch your engagement abilities. Some high school teachers have been saying, "This is awesome, but awesome for middle schoolers, "awesome for elementary students. "I've got 11th and 12th graders, "how am I'm gonna keep them engaged "when they're already so cynical to begin with, "and on top of that, "they have so much else on their shoulders these days?" - Middle school students are just as cynical. I think high school kids are just like the older middle school kids, they think they're too cool for everything. They think, they're just kind of going through the motions, but they're worried about what they look like, what this person thinks, what's going on on social media. They would find it just as funny, and it does, if you did stupid things in your class with them, if you did a TikTok dance with your whole class, if you did certain things that they're interested in that you find ridiculous, but to them it's like, all right, well, I have two things, I have two classes I have homework for, which one am I'm gonna do it for? 'Cause I'm not gonna do it for both of 'em. So you wanna be the teacher that they'll do your homework for you, they'll do, go the extra step for you. I think again, it's knowing your students. You may have one class that you can do one thing with, and you may have another class that you can't. But it's always, just always be willing to try new things and not embarrass yourself. Nothing's gonna change if you continually stay the same. So if you're uncomfortable in what you're doing all the time, I think that's a positive thing. - Yeah, and I'll just throw out a couple ideas that I've heard recently for the high school set. I know in a lot of ways, they face the sort of most daunting challenges, because so much of their expected life over the next few months is on hold now, whether it's taking the SAT, taking the APs, graduation, college decisions, all of this stuff is supposed to be happening, and now it's frozen. What could you do to fill that void? Could you host their virtual prom? Could you take a page out of ESPN's playbook? ESPN is doing these senior nights every night on SportsCenter, shouting out the high school seniors who would have been getting vetted otherwise. Could you sort of give it a chance and really let your seniors shine, even during this really difficult moment? So if there's some way you can bring that sense of normalcy, that sense of tradition into this virtual world, I think you'll be a superstar in their eyes, no matter how cynical they are. Okay, so let's see here. I think we have time for maybe one or two questions, and so I think the biggest question that I've gotten from a lot of teachers at this point is how do you ultimately serve students at different levels, given that everything we've been talking about in terms of Zoom or whatever, feels like it's like, okay, one teacher and all the students in a big lecture environment. How do you continue to sort of differentiate and make sure each student feels heard and respected in this time? - I think for the leveling, for myself, I know most of my students' level. I know where I'm kind of teaching them and whatever topic it is, maybe I assign to my one group of 10 students the remediative foundational skills, and my higher group, maybe the intense word problems. But those skills all count towards the same thing, as our overall goal of this stupid TikTok video I'm gonna create, probably today. But having that, knowing your students, and having them all, each doing different things, you're also able, like I said, with Flipgrid, give them a chance to ask questions. If you're in a virtual classroom with Zoom and you're saying, "Okay, submit your questions here," and then you can send that video out just to the students that maybe need a little bit of assistance with that. But I think it's important to try to recognize all your students, too, that are working at home, that are putting in the extra effort. But really just constant communication is gonna be your number one thing to see how kids are doing, to see why, maybe, these 10, 15 kids haven't logged on yet, or haven't done anything. Is there an issue? 'Cause maybe there is. As teachers, we're always looking for that, to see how we can help in that anyway. - Cool, well I think if anyone wants inspiration as we sign off here, I would strongly encourage you to check out Conor's Twitter feed. He's at twitter.com/ccorey223, and as you can see here, he's got lots of examples of engaging his students, engaging his own kids at home with cool crafts and activities, and just gives you a sense of what's possible with getting students really excited about learning, even in this difficult environment we find ourselves in. So definitely follow Conor and check out his ideas, and keep your questions coming. I know we didn't get a chance to get to everyone. We'll definitely be doing more sessions like this. So if you have other ideas or questions for Conor or for Kahn Academy, please submit those in the survey that will follow. That being said, any last words of wisdom for the audience, Conor? - No, I wanna say thank you for tuning in, and thank you over at Kahn Academy. In the next few weeks, just enjoy the time with your family. You're not gonna be stuck with them this large of a period for many years. I would say just try not to get on each other's nerves. My wife asked me if I had to chew like that the other day, so I think we've been in closed quarters for a whole. But just try to enjoy the time. I don't know we're gonna get it back, and the more questions you ask about what's gonna happen next year with education, the more, the less answers you're gonna get. So kind of focus on your family, focus on your loved ones now and what we can do together. - Cool, well, I can't think of a better message to end on than that one, so thank you all for making time out of your days, thank you to Conor for sharing your incredible expertise, and here's wishing you all a wonderful week. Thank you so much. - Thank you.
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