I've bet someone to go find one and show it to me.

我曾經跟人打賭要他找給我看。

I'm sure someone has done it.

我確定有人真的做過。

[Ex-Cyber Criminal Answers Burning Questions about the Dark Web]

[前網路罪犯解答熱門暗網問題]

Hi, I'm Pizzabagel.

嗨，我是披薩貝果。

I'm going by this moniker to protect my own confidentiality and my own safety.

我要用這個綽號來保密和保護自己的安全。

I was the executive business director of an extremely large illegal enterprise that made well over eight digits on the dark web.

我曾是一位透過暗網獲利超過八位數美元的大型非法企業的執行業務總監。

I'm here today with Buzzfeed to help espouse some myths about the dark web.

我今天來 Buzzfeed 破解一些關於暗網的迷思。

What is the difference between the clear net, the dark net, and the deep web?

公開網路、暗網和深網的差別是什麼？

Well, if you wanna think about it like an iceberg, you have what's showing above the waterline, right?

如果把它想成像冰山一樣，吃水線以上會露出一部分，對吧？

So you have just a little bit of the iceberg.

那只是冰山的一小部分。

You have the waterline.

然後是吃水線。

And that waterline is where stuff starts to get murky.

吃水線就是開始昏暗模糊的地帶。

Then you're getting into the deep web.

再來就是深網了。

And if you don't know, icebergs are significantly larger under.

以免你不知道，冰山沉在底下的部分巨大很多。

It's just the tip of a mountain versus the whole mountain.

就像山頂對比整座山一樣。

Anything that's not indexed by a search engine, as in, anything that you can't pull up on Google so it's not ending in a normal domain, dot com, dot gov, dot org, it is part of the deep web.

任何未被搜尋引擎編入索引的東西，也就是因為網址結尾不是正常 .com、.gov、.org，所有谷歌找不到的網站，就是深網的一部份。

If something is on the deep web, in the parts of the deep web that starts to get into criminal activity, that is the dark web.

而深網當中涉及犯罪活動的部分就屬於暗網。

Both are legal to access.

深網暗網都可以合法進入。

Is it illegal to go on the dark web?

上暗網是非法的嗎？

That is a very common myth.

那是個很常見的迷思。

It is not illegal to go on both the dark or the deep web.

上暗網或是深網都不違法。

You can sign up and you can freely browse any large dark net marketplace.

你可以註冊並也自由瀏覽暗網上任何大型賣場。

Researchers, law enforcement and normal citizens do it all the time without any legal repercussions.

研究者、執法機關和普通人民常常在沒有任何法律後果的情況下這麼做。

Where the legal trouble starts is when you start buying things, shipping things, and distributing content.

要開始買東西、運送東西和傳播內容才會出現法律問題。

That is where you will get into trouble.

這時候你就會惹上麻煩。

Is the dark web bigger than the clear net?

暗網有比開放網路大嗎？

Yes.

有。

The dark web is significantly larger than the clear net, on average about four to five hundred times larger than the clear net.

暗網比開放網路大相當多，平均大概比開放網路大 400 到 500 倍。

Are red rooms real?

「紅房」是真的嗎？

A red room is a room commonly painted red where you can live stream the murder or torture of a (an) individual.

「紅房」是個通常被漆成紅色的房間，那裡可以直播觀看殺害一個人或是虐待一個人。

While you can't say nothing exists, right, I'm sure someone has done it.

雖然不能肯定它不存在，我確定一定有人做過。

I have never heard of it, never seen it, never heard of it talked about.

但我從來沒有聽過、看過或是聽到有人談論。

And I've even been in bets that they don't exist.

我甚至有打賭過它不存在。

I've bet someone to go find one and show it to me and they couldn't.

我曾經跟人打賭要他們找給我看，不過他們找不到。

Maybe they do exist.

「紅房」可能真的存在。

And, when you do hear about them, they're often private.

而如果你們真的聽說過，它們通常是私密的。

It's not a public done thing.

這不是會公開做的事。

Can you hire a hit man on the dark web?

暗網上顧得到殺手嗎？

While one or two might exist, and with hit men it is moral.

雖然可能會有一兩個，而且殺手是關乎道德的。

So hit men are a real thing from history and still in reality, but they are not remotely common.

歷史上殺手是真的存在的，現實生活中也還是，但是他們非常不常見。

I've never heard of someone getting a hit placed on them.

我從來沒有聽過有人被作為暗殺目標。

I've never heard of someone who is taking money to go do it.

我也從來沒聽過有人收錢去殺人。

The hit men that you hear about more are with the internal people.

你們聽說的殺手其實都是內部的人。

So it would be, when you had organized crime with large gangs, it would be gangs sending one of their members to go do it.

所以會是，如果是大型幫派的組織犯罪，幫派就會派自己的成員去做。

But these freelance guys who are taking large sums of cash to go do it, never seen or heard of that in practice.

大是那種收取大量現金去殺人的自由業者，其實實際上都沒被看過或是聽說過。

Those transactions are often not from the dark web or from the Internet, but more of an in-person connection.

那種交易通常不是透過暗網或是網路，而大部分是面對面親自接線的。

True or false?

是非題。

The dark web is evil.

暗網是邪惡的。

I would have to mostly disagree with that.

我大致上必須說「非」。

The deep web helps to support journalists and people in censor-prone countries where it can help to get information out and help to get information in, like movies and spread awareness, especially Western culture.

暗網支援了易遭查禁的國家中的記者和人民，協助資訊的出入...

So I would say I do not believe it is evil because it does mostly have positive intentions.

所以我不相信暗網是邪惡的，因為它大部分的意圖是正向的。

Are there secret layers to the dark web?

暗網有更多秘密層次嗎？

So, the dark web is accessed through a browser called TOR, and it is called the Onion Router.

暗網需覽藉由 TOR 這個瀏覽器連取，TOR 的全名是 the Onion Router (洋蔥路由器)。

Similar to an onion, there are layers. [The Dark Web can be accessed through other special routing software, but TOR is the most famous one.]

跟洋蔥很像，有很多層。[其他特殊的瀏覽器都可以連取暗網，但是 TOR 是最有名的。]

-While there are different parts and they do tend to clump together, I would not say it is like layer to layer. --[The Dark Web can be accessed through other special routing software, but TOR is the most famous one.]

雖然暗網中有不同的部分而且它們常會聚集在一塊，但我不認為暗網是一層又一層的。

A lot of stuff just links to other stuff.

只是很多東西都一個又一個地連結在一起。

Can you buy passwords and credit card information on the dark web?

在暗網上買得到密碼和信用卡資料嗎？

Yes, you can buy passwords, credit card information, social security numbers and a lot of stuff.

可以，暗網上買得到密碼、信用卡資料、身分證字號和很多其他東西。

They tend to be randomly selected so you're not going to go chase after someone.

那些資料通常是隨機選取的，所以沒辦法故意追蹤某個人。

And if you are afraid of that, I would heavily recommend using a password-locker application.

而如果會害怕資料被盜，我強烈建議使用密碼鎖程式。

They are there to help protect you.

那些程式會保護你。

The people mostly effected by these security breaches are people who don't take their security seriously.

最受資安漏洞影響的就是不認真看待自己的資訊安全的人。

Are there certain sectors to the deeper dark web that are isolated from the rest of the web?

暗網中有沒有和其他部分分隔獨立的特定區域？

Yes and no.

介於有跟沒有之間。

There are communities, they're not large.

是有一些社群，但並不大。

They tend just to be Internet forums where people can basically build off each other.

那些通常只是網路論壇，基本上就是人們在上頭互相切磋談論的地方。

They are usually dedicated to something certain, so you have hackers and you have people who wanna go find Atlantis.

通常都是專於特定的主題，包含駭客和想要找到亞特蘭提斯的人。

You have people who operate on the dark net about how the moon landing was fake because they don't want NASA to come assassinate them.

也有人在暗網上討論登陸月球是假的，因為他們不想被 NASA 暗殺。

You do get these hidden sectors.

確實有這些隱密的區域。

But they're not as hidden as much as they are just isolated due to the outlandishness of the subject.

但是它們並不是隱藏起來了，而是因為討論主題太過稀奇古怪所以較為孤立。

The dark web is something that has a lot of rumors about it, and it's seen in a very negative light.

有非常多關於暗網的傳言，而且暗網都遭負面眼光看待。

And I think that we need to overcome it.

我覺得我們應該解決這個問題。

The dark web started and still largely operates as a safe space for people to convey ideas, messages, without fear of repercussions.

暗網始於且依然多數時候是作為一個安全的空間，讓人們傳遞想法、訊息時不需害怕後果。

And the one big thing that I wanna hit home and I hope everyone can take home from watching this video, is the dark net does not look like it has dark mode enabled.

我想讓大家充分意識到、希望大家看完這部影片可以了解的一個重點是，暗網看起來並不像是起用了黑暗模式。

It is not a scary, black background with lines of code going around.

背景不是可怕的、黑黑的，也沒有到處是一行行的程式。

It is a very nice and clean user interface, so the deep and dark web host is a safe space.

它的使用者介面非常好用乾淨，深網暗網的主體都是安全的地方。

And I think that we need to reduce the stigma behind it.

而我認為我們需要破除其背後的惡名。