Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles the waves are flat and what better way to stay fit and in the game by going for a surf skate. Today I'm trying out two different board brands arguably the two biggest in the game to see which one I like better let's get into it. if you're new here my name is Kyle I'm a filmmaker and a free surfer and here you'll find all sorts of epic surf content like tutorials to help you surf better important reviews and more so subscribe down below and join me on instagram @ @kalesbroccoli Here's what's coming up look that was fun that's cool let's try the SmoothStar [Music] I'm gonna be testing for three main things well after a big morning let's chat about the verdict it just wasn't as responsive but definitely take that with me yeah what it feels like it'd be like a wider long longer board. I remember when I was 18 I was up the coast and I was surfing with some friends and before they went out in the water they just brought out all these surf skates and they rode them and I remember trying it back then and I hated it, hated it so I didn't touch another surf skate for about eight years. Um full transparency I've been using SmoothStar boards with clients mostly for the past year so I'm quite familiar with how they work I haven't used Carver's a lot this one looks sick though if you have a look at it, I mean it kind of looks like a mini surfboard this is their collaboration with mayhem it's really cool the truck seems a lot stiffer than the SmoothStar this one tends to be, that might be because I've used this one more it's a little bit looser but I don't know it could be good it could be a bad thing I'm interested to see which one I like more this one definitely looks cooler. The surfskates really are a fantastic way to get repetitive on land training in for surfing one of the biggest challenges with surfing is that unless you're in a wave pool it's pretty hard to get lots of waves on demand to just try tricks over and over again. By skating we can line up and repeat our current training at a high frequency leading to faster progression. When I was younger I used to skate a bunch but only on regular boards these surfskates differ in their overall shape and in their front trucks. These front trucks rotate which changes the way the board moves across the ground and how it responds to your body movements, that's the theory anyway. So today I'm going to be testing for three main things. The first one is speed generation and flow so that is how effectively each board simulates and responds to what I consider proper speed generation technique. Number two I'm going to be testing for rotational potential so that is how tight of an arc I can create without kicking the tail and lifting the front of the board upwards. This will essentially form the basis for maneuver training. And number three practicality this is just getting from A to B so if you want to check the surf or head down the shops, which board would you be more likely to use and which one would be just more enjoyable and easy. Importantly I'm also going to ask any strangers or surfers who rock up today will see to test the boards as well just to eliminate any kinetic bias because I have been working with SmoothStar for the last year [Music] Speed generation on a wave starts with the upper torso creating a twisting and talking pressure on the hips and then the feet which should drive into the board and then press us forward. By creating an undulating flowing motion with the body you can move up and down the wave to build speed before releasing it into a big maneuver. It's an essential part of surfing because all turns have speed generation technique as their foundation. Let's try the Carver first [Music] that was fun that's cool let's try this SmoothStar [Music] Speed generation super close I just found that when I was on the carver it took a little bit to get going and probably felt like it was more similar to riding like a big fish or something. It just didn't want it, it didn't respond as actively as the SmoothStar did. I felt like once it was going I could keep up the flow quite nicely on the Carver but it just took a little bit more and also turning it felt like my legs were burning a lot more. It took a lot more work to get the board to turn but I felt like the smoothStar was just sort of more responsive, a lot more responsive and then once I was going I kind of, I had to keep up the flow which is probably more, which is a lot closer to surfing there was less of a skateboard feel about it and it just tended to move a lot more actively and be a little bit more responsive in how it turned and things like that. So I think speed generation and flow I'm gonna give it to the SmoothStar by one or two points. Midway through our test somebody told me that Carver have a more surf specific truck, the c7 than the one I'm currently using on the mayhem model the CX. So I managed to get my hands on a setup that has a c7 system underneath to try that too. To be honest I'm still not super impressed with the responsiveness of the system. It's not just about pumping forward either but also how the board doesn't seem to flow between maneuvers as well. On the Carver I find myself losing speed once I do a turn compared to the SmoothStar which tends to roll between turns just like a surfboard would. It responds really well to me getting compressed and low and then extending into the next turn which mind you is an area of surfing that I have to focus on with all my students [Music] Now let's ask someone else's opinion [Music] Okay yep and then up then clap over here [Music] Oh good it felt sort of easier to that than the other one yeah the other one felt harder to I get used to no but this one's sort of more fun I think yeah and you get going yeah oh actually I don't know it was pretty fun yeah [Music] The Carver feels like it'd be like a wider long longer board whereas the SmoothStar feels like a predominant like performance shortboard. Now let's compare the Carver and the SmoothStar for rotational potential. Good rotation in surfing is super important if you're looking to add a spark to all your turns to be able to flow dynamically across the wave whilst expressing power output through your maneuvers. I'm trying to work through a forehand top turn here and also throwing in a few roundhouse cutbacks. These will help engage the relative cross over to surfing of each board. Ideally I want to see tight controllable turning arcs which don't lose speed throughout. [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] Oh in this test the SmoothStar really outshone the Carver by a long way at least a few points. I'm guessing the differences mainly attributed to the technology in the truck. If you look at all three from the side when you rotate the truck you can notice some differences in the way they respond and the angle at which they turn I think the angles on the SmoothStar allow for a smoother turn with sharper rotational potential and this translates into better performance. Definitely a performance that more closely matches surfing. Importantly on a surfboard you can't just push along on the wave to build speed. You need to pop-up and get going immediately and if we compare the three boards in the immediate speed potential which is a reflection of responsiveness in the board SmoothStar once again takes the cake. [Music] Now let's run the boards through their final test, practicality getting from A to B. This test is for those who don't really care about surf specific carryover or training. It's for those who just want a board to go and check the surf from their house before paddling out or to cruise around at the skatepark [Music] [Music] 22.67 seconds from the end sign to this last van. now I'm gonna try the SmoothStar. The SmoothStar with 24.94 basically 25 seconds so only over 100 meters so it's quite a significant time difference and I also had to put in some more pumps so this one definitely SmoothStar was not as fast. Perhaps not as practical as getting from A to B. Let's wrap up everything and give you guys a final analysis. Overall I definitely think that for surf training for surf specific carryover it's very hard to go past the SmoothStar simply because I think it better mimics the surf movements required to rip and get moving. This is probably a reflection of the ethos of the brand itself SmoothStar have been from the get-go all about surfing and I think the boards are a result of that. Being so responsive they are definitely harder for a beginner to get used to but so is surfing and if "surfing better" is your goal then it makes sense to me to challenge yourself and train with the most specific tools you can. SmoothStar is just that specific to surfing. Carver I'll give it to them are typically seen as a cooler brand appealing more likely to the aesthetics rather than function with the biggest example of this being the small area to place your back foot on the mayhem model. So I don't like my foot hanging off the edge so much. To achieve a surfboard shape and sacrifice that area at the back for your back foot which is incredibly important I felt like it's just an indicator that their priorities are maybe out of place. I think I'd rather something functional. Now the cover was much easier for my lab rats to adapt to because they respond less and a more stable but this could have its drawbacks beginners aren't likely to develop stronger balanced riding the Carver and intermediate surfers aren't likely to practice more radical turns on it either. One of the most telling side-by-sides I think we can look at from this test is the rotational potential. We see on the Carver's that my body is unable to really come off center something required in surfing to turn really well. This is because the trucks won't flex enough to allow it. On the SmoothStar you can see I'm well off-center and if we compare this to surfing it's actually a really close simulation. [Music] For me Carver generally feels a little bit locked up. Even the videos that I've seen of the pros or whoever uses Carver they all seem to be more drawn out unless their tail sliding. But I'm not a big fan of tail sliding on skateboards for ocean training because it's a lot harder to tail slide with three fins under you in the water. So I think that overall the SmoothStar definitely takes the cake when it comes to surf training but if you're just looking for a board to get from A to B to leave the house, grab a coffee, go and check the surf and come home that's where I can see going more towards a regular skate board which is which I think what this is, could be an advantage. For me especially as a coach and especially someone interested in improving surf performance I think 100% I'll go with the SmoothStar every time. That one over there. What's that one called? That's called the SmoothStar. That's definitely a little bit harder to get used to if you haven't skated too much before. And that one super fun, super easy to get used to yeah but definitely take that with me. If you had to pick one that was closer to surfing which one? Definitely SmoothStar yeah definitely. Just the movements I guess are pretty similar to surfing and would help to progress I guess with your surfing as well. So for someone wanting a surf trainer which one do they get? Definitely The SmoothStar for sure. Having the Carver being a tighter board it feels like it'd be like a wider long longer board. Whereas the SmoothStar feels like a predominant, like performance shortboard. For someone running an A to B cruiser what do they get? Definitely a Carver. If you're just looking to get from A to B yeah the Carver for sure. If you enjoyed this video be sure to subscribe to the channel and let me know in the comments which is your favourite surf technique to practice using the surfskates. I'll be sure to upload more content based off your feedback all of it so that you can improve your surfing as quickly and effectively as possible. Remember you can join me on Instagram as well @kalesbroccoli to be up to date with the latest surf retreats I'm running an online coaching I can offer. Until then keep shredding [Music]
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