the further away it is from me as an actor,

越是離我這個演員越遠。

the more it feels like I'm doing my job.

越是覺得自己在做自己的工作。

I have no interest in playing anything akin to myself.

我對玩類似自己的東西沒有興趣。

Hi, I'm David Oyelowo

嗨，我是David Oyelowo。

and this is the timeline of my career.

這是我職業生涯的時間軸。

[soft jazz music]

[柔和的爵士樂]

How exactly can we do that?

究竟如何才能做到這一點呢？

- Because we understand each other

- 因為我們互相理解

we always have!

我們一直都有！

- Not anymore.

- 不再是了

"Spooks" came along at a time where

"Spooks "出現的時候，在那裡

I had just done three years

我剛做了三年

at the Royal Shakespeare company.

在皇家莎士比亞公司。

I'd had one season where I'd been

我有一個賽季，我一直在那裡

in "Antony and Cleopatra", "Orinoco",

在《安東尼與克莉奧佩特拉》、《奧裡諾科》中。

and a play called "Volpone".

和一出《伏波涅》。

And then I have this huge moment in my career

然後，我有這個巨大的時刻 在我的職業生涯。

which was getting to play "Henry VI"

扮演 "亨利六世 "的人

at the Royal Shakespeare company.

在皇家莎士比亞公司。

But I hadn't really done anything on screen.

但我還沒有真正在螢幕上做過什麼。

And this show called "Spooks" came along,

而這個叫 "幽靈 "的節目出現了。

which was about MI-5 spies.

這是關於軍情五處的間諜。

What I loved about it is that

我喜歡它的原因是

it had exactly the thing I had vowed

它有正是我曾發誓的東西。

to myself would be something I would

對我自己來說，這是我

always pursue in my career,

在我的職業生涯中一直追求。

which was to play roles that were not race specific.

這是要扮演不分種族的角色。

I had managed that with, obviously,

我曾設法與，顯然。

getting to play the King of England in "Henry VI",

在 "亨利六世 "中扮演英國國王。

but when "Spooks" came along to effectively

但當 "幽靈 "出現時，有效地。

be Bond for the TV as we liked to call it,

我們喜歡叫它 "電視邦德"。

was just a huge opportunity.

只是一個巨大的機會。

Myself, Matthew Macfadyen, and Keeley Hawes

我、Matthew Macfadyen和Keeley Hawes。

who played the leads in "Spooks",

在《幽靈》中扮演主角的人。

we were all in our early 20s

我們都是二十出頭

and at that point in British television

而在當時的英國電視界

that just wasn't happening.

這只是沒有發生。

Young people were not heading up these kinds of shows.

年輕人並不是這類節目的主角。

It was stars who were more in their 40s

是那些40多歲的明星們。

who were very reliable, constantly on TV.

誰是非常可靠的，不斷在電視上。

I think that's part of what was the success

我想這也是成功的部分原因吧

of the show because we literally treated every episode

因為我們真的把每一集都當成了一集

as if we were going to get fired.

好像我們會被炒魷魚似的。

So, we just went in and had as much fun

所以，我們只是去了 並有儘可能多的樂趣，

as we could possibly have until everyone

我們可能有，直到每個人

realized what they had done

意識到自己的所作所為

and summarily let us go.

並立即放我們走。

This is your operation, Tom!

這是你的行動，湯姆！

Why are you wrecking it?!

你為什麼要毀掉它？

- After everything we've been through together, please!

- 在我們一起經歷了這麼多事情之後，求你了！

- [Danny] You owe this to us.

- 這是你欠我們的

- No, no, we couldn't do that here, not a Mulago.

- 不，不，我們不能在這裡這樣做，不是一個Mulago。

- Why not?

- 為什麼不呢？

- It's the president's hospital.

- 這是總統的醫院。

He's bound to find out.

他一定會發現的。

- We can do this discreetly--

- 我們可以謹慎地做這件事...

- No!

- 不！

Because I did three seasons of "Spooks",

因為我拍了三季的《幽靈》。

and to be perfectly honest,

說實話

I wanted to go on to be the lead.

我想繼續當主角。

I wanted to be front and center of that show,

我想成為那個節目的前臺和中心。

and for whatever reason, they didn't see it the same way.

不管是什麼原因，他們沒有看到同樣的方式。

And so I said, either put me front and center

所以我說，要不就把我放在最前面，放在最中間

or give me the most epic death possible,

或給我最史詩般的死亡可能。

and the latter is what happened.

而後者是發生了什麼。

They gave me the epic death.

他們給了我一個史詩般的死亡。

And partly my thinking around that

也是我圍繞這個問題的部分思考

was the show, "Spooks", had been such a big hit,

是節目，"幽靈"，曾如此大受歡迎。

I kept on having these great directors

我一直在找這些偉大的導演

reach out to me and saying,

伸手對我說。

"We would love to work with you,

"我們很願意與你合作。

but you're always busy making Spooks."

但你總是忙於製作Spooks。"

So, the choice for me was either

所以，我的選擇是

I should be more prominent in that show

我在節目中應該更加突出

or I wanted to go and call these directors' bluff

或者說我想去找這些董事們的假話

and see if they would still stick around

看他們是否還願意留下來

when I was no longer on the show.

當我不再上節目的時候。

And when I left the show, thankfully,

而當我離開展會時，感謝。

that they were indeed there.

他們確實在那裡。

And so, "The Last King of Scotland" was one

所以，"最後的蘇格蘭國王 "是一個。

of the first films I did after shooting "Spooks"

我拍完《幽靈》後拍的第一部片子

with James McAvoy and the incredible Forest Whitaker.

詹姆斯-麥卡沃伊和不可思議的森林-惠特克。

I'm of African descent myself,

我自己也是非洲裔。

but it was the first film at that stage

但它是那個階段的第一部電影

that I actually shot in Africa.

我實際上在非洲拍攝的。

And I think it was only the second film ever shot in Uganda.

我想這只是第二部在烏干達拍攝的電影。

They will believe you.

他們會相信你。

You are the white man.

你是白種人。

Dad, you heard what mom said.

爸爸，你聽到媽媽說的話了。

- That mess right there happened down South.

- 那一塌糊塗的事就發生在南方。

- [Louis] This could have been me.

- 這可能是我乾的.

- It happened down South.

- 它發生在南方。

I got out of there so we could have us a better life.

我離開了那裡，所以我們可以有一個更好的生活。

Right now, I'm working for the white man,

現在，我在為白人工作。

make things better for us.

讓我們的生活更美好。

- After "The Last King of Scotland",

- 在 "最後的蘇格蘭國王 "之後。

I did a couple of other films.

我還拍了幾部其他的電影。

Like also "Spooks" did really well here in America,

像《幽靈》也在美國做得很好。

and so it became a good excuse to come out here

所以就成了來這裡的好藉口

and see if there were going to be opportunities.

並看是否會有機會。

And my wife and I decided coming just speculatively

我和我妻子決定來只是投機取巧

to see what might be out here,

看看有什麼可能在這裡。

and we ended up moving in 2007,

而我們最終在2007年搬家。

and about two, three months after moving,

並在搬家後兩、三個月左右。

this script, "Selma" hit my doormat.

這個劇本，"塞爾瑪 "打我的門墊。

That led to a whole journey that eventually led

這導致了整個旅程，最終導致

to Lee Daniels, who came on board to direct that film.

到李-丹尼爾斯，他來執導該片。

I first read "Selma" in 2007.

我第一次讀《塞爾瑪》是在2007年。

Lee Daniels came on board with "Selma" in 2010.

李-丹尼爾斯在2010年加入了《塞爾瑪》的拍攝。

And then, for a myriad of reasons,

然後，由於種種原因。

we couldn't get "Selma" off the ground

我們無法得到 "塞爾瑪 "的地面。

but we formed this really quite incredible bond.

但我們形成了這種真的很不可思議的聯繫。

And that's what led to him

這就是導致他

casting me in "The Butler".

我在 "管家 "中的角色。

When I had played Henry VI

當我扮演亨利六世的時候

it was "Henry VI parts one, two, and three",

它是 "亨利六世第一、二、三部分"。

and I had experienced what it is

而我已經體驗到了什麼是

to go from being a teenager in those plays

從一個十幾歲的孩子，在那些劇中

to also being an older man.

到也是一個老男人。

And so when "The Butler" came along

所以當 "管家 "出現的時候

and presented the same kind of opportunity

並提供了同樣的機會

and challenge but on film,

和挑戰，但在電影。

it was one that felt very natural to me to jump into

它是一個感覺很自然的我跳進了

because I knew that playing age is not just about makeup.

因為我知道，玩齡不只是化妝。

It's about a state of mind.

這是關於一種心境。

That was something I had learnt playing Henry VI.

這是我玩《亨利六世》學到的東西。

And so it was a no-brainer that

是以，它是一個不費吹灰之力的事情

I was going to play this guy

我本來是要玩這個人的

from the age of 18 through to 65 or whatever it was.

從18歲到65歲或其他什麼年齡。

But that is less often the case on film

但在電影中，這種情況就不那麼常見了

as can be the case in theater,

如同在戲曲中可以。

and so unknown to me, Lee Daniels had actually

所以我不知道，李-丹尼爾斯其實已經

cast someone to play the younger version

找人演年輕版

of Louis Gaines, the character I play in "The Butler".

我在 "管家 "中扮演的路易斯-蓋恩斯的角色。

And I had no idea.

而我卻不知道。

I turned up, we were doing the camera test

我出現了，我們正在做相機測試

as is often the case before you go onto shoot the film,

在拍攝電影之前，通常都是這樣。

and I just did what I assumed I would do

我只是做了我以為我會做的事。

which is to play my 18-year-old self,

也就是扮演我18歲的自己。

and then we put makeup on and we also saw

然後我們化了妝，我們也看到了。

that I could play my 60-something-year-old self.

我可以扮演60多歲的自己。

And it wasn't until after the camera test,

而且是在相機測試之後才開始的。

I found out that an actor who had been hired

我發現有一個演員被請來了。

was then let go because I didn't realize

然後被解僱，因為我不知道。

I had effectively been auditioning again

我實際上又在試鏡

to play the younger version of myself

扮演年輕的自己

when we did the camera test.

當我們做相機測試的時候。

So, that was a relief.

所以，那是一種解脫。

Not so much for that poor actor who had to be let go

那位可憐的演員就沒那麼幸運了，他不得不被解僱。

but I was very keen to play the full arc of the character,

但我非常希望能發揮出這個角色的全部弧度。

and I'm thankful that I got to do that.

我很慶幸我有機會這樣做。

We must in this country for our rights.

我們必須在這個國家爭取我們的權利。

- [Crowd] Yes!

- [人群]是的！

- Today, we march to free the people of South Africa.

- 今天，我們為解放南非人民而遊行。

A law that says you have to get up every morning

一條法律規定，你必須每天早上起床。

and seven o'clock put on your clothes, and your makeup,

七點鐘穿好衣服，化好妝。

and your costume jewelry.

和你的服裝首飾。

Up until this point in my career

在我的職業生涯中，直到這個時候

I had had the opportunity to work

我曾有機會在

with Forest Whitaker in "The Last King of Scotland".

與弗雷斯特-惠特克在 "最後的蘇格蘭國王"。

I'd also seen an actor like Daniel Day Lewis in "Lincoln".

我在《林肯》中也見過丹尼爾-戴-劉易斯這樣的演員。

I saw these two magnificent titans of acting

我看到了這兩位演藝界的巨匠。

immersing themselves so deeply in their characters

沉浸在自己的角色中

that it was impossible to discern who

不知道是誰

they actually were as people themselves on set

他們實際上是作為人自己在現場

and "Nightingale" was the first time that

和《夜鶯》是第一次。

I made the choice to stay in character the whole time.

我做出了選擇，一直保持角色。

Partly, because when I did "The Last King of Scotland",

部分原因是，當我做 "最後的蘇格蘭國王 "時，

to be perfectly frank,

說實話

being around Forest was tough

在Forest身邊很辛苦

because he was playing a Ugandan dictator,

因為他演的是烏干達的獨裁者。

and so making small talk with him on that set

所以在那場戲裡和他閒聊了幾句

was not something that was going to be happening.

是不會發生的事情。

And even though it was fantastic for the film

儘管這對電影來說是很奇妙的

it was difficult for the crew and the rest of the cast.

這對劇組和其他演員來說是很困難的。

And so if I was gonna do that

所以，如果我打算這樣做

it felt like "Nightingale" was the perfect

我覺得 "夜鶯 "是最完美的。

opportunity to try it out.

機會來嘗試一下。

I didn't have to be mean to other members of the cast

我沒必要對其他演員那麼刻薄

because they weren't there,

因為他們不在那裡。

and it gave me an opportunity to see

這讓我有機會看到

if this is something that works for me.

如果這是適合我的東西。

And the thing I couldn't have anticipated is

而我無法預料的是

that playing that character, staying in character,

扮演那個角色，保持在角色。

for the three weeks, four weeks of the shoot,

三週，四周的拍攝。

and the thing that it gave me is it meant

而它給我的東西是它意味著

I never second guessed any choices I made on screen.

我從不猜測自己在螢幕上的任何選擇。

And that's an incredibly releasing thing

這是一個令人難以置信的釋放的事情。

to not be in your own head as to whether

不在你自己的腦海中，是否

you're making the right choices for the character.

你正在做正確的選擇 為字元。

And so, it gave me the blueprint

所以，它給了我藍圖。

for playing other intense characters that

扮演其他激烈的角色，

I went on to play beyond doing "Nightingale".

我除了做《夜鶯》之外，還繼續玩了。

You want to ruin everything?

你想毀掉一切？

Fine!

好吧！

This isn't over yet.

這還沒有結束。

I know all your hiding places.

我知道你所有的藏身之處

And on the rare occasions that they face trial

而在極少數情況下，他們面臨審判

they are freed by all-white juries.

他們被全白的陪審團釋放了。

All-white because you can't serve

全白的，因為你不能服務。

on a jury unless you are registered to vote.

在陪審團中，除非你已登記投票。

One of the challenges for "Selma",

"塞爾瑪 "的挑戰之一。

during these seven years before it got made,

在這七年裡，在它被製作之前。

was that we were still in a time where

是我們仍然處於一個時代，

there was this narrative,

有這種說法。

this really insidious narrative in Hollywood

好萊塢的這套陰謀詭計

that black doesn't travel.

黑色的東西是不會旅行的

So, it was a film that wouldn't do well internationally.

所以，這是一部在國際上不會有好成績的電影。

It was a film that exhibited Black pain,

這是一部表現黑人痛苦的電影。

so Black people wouldn't want to see it.

所以黑人不會想看到它。

And it was a film that maybe made white people feel guilty.

而這是一部也許讓白人感到內疚的電影。

So, white people wouldn't want to see it.

所以，白人不會想看的。

So that was a narrative.

所以，這是一個敘述。

We kept on being told that the film

我們一直被告知，這部電影

should be made for about 25% less of the budget

應減少25%的預算。

than it actually needed to get made.

比它實際需要得到製作。

So, Lee just couldn't find a way to get this film made.

所以，李國慶就是找不到辦法把這部電影拍出來。

That's why I went on to do the films, "The Paper Boy"

所以我才會去拍電影，"紙男孩"

and "The Butler" with him instead.

和 "管家 "一起代替他。

But in the meantime, I had done a film called

但與此同時，我還拍了一部電影，叫作

"Middle of Nowhere" with Ava DuVernay.

"中間的地方 "與艾娃-杜弗內。

That came about because I was on my way

那是因為我在路上

to do re-shoots for a film called

為一部名為《》的電影重新拍攝。

"Rise of the Planet of the Apes",

"人猿星球的崛起"。

and I sat down next to a guy who happened

我坐在一個傢伙旁邊，誰碰巧。

to be watching "Spooks" on his iPad.

在他的iPad上看 "Spooks"。

And he looked at me, looked at his iPad,

他看著我，看著他的iPad。

looked at me again, paused his iPad

又看了看我，暫停了他的iPad

and said, "Is this you I'm watching on my iPad?"

並說："我在iPad上看的就是你嗎？"

I said, "Oh yeah, that's me."

我說，"哦，是的，那是我。"

He said, "Oh, okay, you're an actor.

他說："哦，好吧，你是個演員。

Give me some advice.

給我一些建議。

I've been asked to put some money

我被要求投入一些錢

into a film called "Middle of Nowhere",

成了一部名為《中原》的電影。

do you think that's a good idea?"

你覺得這是個好主意嗎？"

I said, "Well, send me the script.

我說："好吧，把劇本發給我。

I'll tell you if it's a good idea."

我會告訴你這是不是一個好主意。"

He sent me the script.

他把劇本發給我了。

I loved it so much

我太喜歡它了

that I flipped to the front of the script,

我翻到了劇本的前面。

and it said Ava DuVernay and her cell number was on it.