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  • - "Hey, guys.

  • "I murdered James Callender." (laughs)

  • - I'm peeing myself.

  • (men laughing)

  • (dramatic instrumental music)

  • - Hello, my name's David Wain.

  • I have a dirty martini,

  • and today we're gonna talk about Alan Freed

  • and the birth of rock and roll,

  • which is a great story about fun, race, and music.

  • (upbeat instrumental music)

  • Alan Freed is a DJ on WAKR in Akron, Ohio,

  • and he's like, you know, "Hey, I'm playing regular music."

  • He was playing jazz and pop and pre-rock and roll music.

  • Meanwhile, there was this guy named Leo Mintz.

  • Leo Mintz is record store owner in Cleveland, Ohio,

  • and Leo Mintz was seeing that these white kids

  • are having a good time and they're dancing.

  • But at the time, it wasn't accepted for white people

  • to buy Black music, or what they called race music,

  • and he became aware of this DJ Alan Freed.

  • And he's like, "Come over to Cleveland

  • "and you can go on the air on WJW,

  • "which is a big radio station, a white radio station,

  • "but I'm gonna get you to play

  • "these rhythm and blues records that I'm trying to sell."

  • And Alan Freed said, "Thank you, I'll do it."

  • It was a time when racial boundaries

  • were just slowly being ben, bended, but nobody knew (laughs)

  • - [Host] Nobody knew.

  • - Nobody knew. Nobody knew.

  • Leo Mintz would come over to the radio station

  • and he's like you know,

  • "What are we going to call this thing?

  • "'Cause if we call it rhythm and blues

  • "then, then the white audience won't accept it

  • "because that's, that's a race music term."

  • And they were like,

  • "Well, you know, we're rocking and rolling."

  • "(beep) Great."

  • He's like, "Great, that's what it is.

  • "It's rock and roll." (belching)

  • And he creates this whole persona.

  • He's like, "Hey, how y'all doing today?

  • "This is Alan Freed, king of the moondoggers.

  • "The Moondog Show, Northeast Ohio, Cleveland, Ohio.

  • "Home of the Cleveland Browns, Art Modell."

  • Okay, so now, and that's good.

  • Cheers, once again. - Rock and roll.

  • - And here we are.

  • This is number two. - Number two.

  • - So then he's like,

  • "Okay, what do we do to like up the ante here?"

  • And so Alan Freed's like, "Let's make a big (beep) show."

  • (coughing) So then they set up this big show

  • at the Cleveland Arena, the Moondog Coronation Ball.

  • It was, you know, considered the first rock and roll concert

  • that there ever was.

  • So 20,000 people come to a venue that could only fit 10,000.

  • They're shoving in.

  • It becomes a (beep) fiasco.

  • There's riots.

  • The Cleveland fire department shut the whole thing down.

  • Well, of course the next day it's like roll music is hurting

  • teenagers, making them bad.

  • Um, I think when you drink,

  • you lose a little bit of vocabulary,

  • but anyway, that's fine.

  • But he went on the air the next day.

  • "Look, it didn't work out, but we move forward.

  • "Are you with me?

  • "We'll know if by your phone calls, letters."

  • And the teenagers were into it

  • and they just came out in throngs.

  • He was eventually wooed by the big town.

  • And I'm talking about Mr. New, Mr. York, and Hello, City.

  • I'm talking about New York City.

  • Jesus Christ.

  • He packs up his (beep)

  • and he goes from Cleveland to New York.

  • And he's like, "Let me tell you about Chuck Berry.

  • "Let me tell you about Little Richard.

  • "Let me tell you about Fats Domino."

  • And his show is piped to Europe.

  • It has been said it's the first time

  • that The Beatles hear rock and roll

  • is on the Alan Freed's radio show.

  • "Hey there, Paul, this is pretty good.

  • "Maybe we should do this."

  • Next thing you know, it's like The Beatles.

  • He put together a show in Boston

  • and the kids are getting rowdy

  • and the cops in Boston, they're like,

  • "No, this is not okay."

  • So then Alan Freed gets on stage and he's like,

  • "Kids, it's gonna be fun.

  • "We're gonna have a good time.

  • "We're gonna rock and roll tonight."

  • "Rock and roll, rock and roll, rock and roll."

  • And then they're like, "We're, we're turning the lights on."

  • Alan Freed makes this offhand remark.

  • He's like, "You know, I guess the Boston cops

  • "just don't want you guys have any fun."

  • It becomes a total disaster bad news thing.

  • It's like almost a riot breaks out

  • and then they have to shut the thing down.

  • Outside the venue that night, there were some stabbings

  • and there was some violent (beep) that went down.

  • They accused him of inciting a riot.

  • He had to defend himself and say, "You know, I didn't do it.

  • "I was just having a concert."

  • But his job, his bosses at WINS were like,

  • "No, this is too controversial.

  • "You know what?

  • "This guy is, cat's gotta go."

  • He went on the air and he's like, "Look, I'm sorry I'm sad

  • "but I'm going off the air.

  • "So thanks for all these years but my era is over."

  • And then he put on this record "So Long" by Fats Domino.

  • It was really the end of his reign as the guy.

  • And he left the station,

  • and when he goes down to the bottom of the station

  • all these fans are down there and they're like,

  • "Oh my God, you can't leave.

  • "What are we gonna do?

  • "What are we gonna do without you?"

  • And he's like, "You know what?

  • "It's not about me, it's about rock and roll.

  • "Rock and roll will always be here.

  • "Nothing will stop that

  • "and so rock and roll will never die."

  • And rock and roll has gone on.

  • (dramatic instrumental music)

  • - Hello.

  • Today, we're gonna talk about the Scopes Monkey trial.

  • (slurping) The 1925 in Dayton, Tennessee,

  • the economy was tanking.

  • George Rappleyea was a lawyer.

  • One day, he saw an open letter in the newspaper.

  • "The ACLU, which is a new organization,

  • "offers to represent any teacher that wants to challenge

  • "the new Tennessee state law that forbids

  • "the teaching of evolution."

  • This gives George an idea.

  • "Hey, if someone locally challenged this law,

  • "it could become the trial of the century

  • "and it could help the economy

  • "and our (beep) little town that nobody knows about."

  • So, they pitched this idea to John Scopes

  • of the Scopes Monkey trial.

  • "Isn't it terrible that there's this law?

  • "You're a science teacher."

  • "Yeah, I'm a football coach.

  • "I also took- (laughs)

  • "I'm a football coach.

  • "I also teach a little science

  • "and I personally believe in evolution."

  • The ACLU, they hire the greatest defense attorney

  • probably ever, Clarence Darrow.

  • "Public schools should teach science and facts,

  • "that's, that's what I think."

  • William Jennings Bryan comes in to fight

  • for the Tennessee state statute, which he inspired.

  • "You can't teach evolution.

  • "Yeah, legally you can't teach it."

  • On the first day of the Scopes Monkey trial,

  • Williams Jenning Bryan...

  • Why does that not sound like I'm saying it right?

  • Williams Jenning Bryan says to the court,

  • "If evolution wins, Christianity goes."

  • And to that Clarence Darrow argued that,

  • "Scopes isn't on trial, civilization is on trial."

  • This was like a boxing match.

  • This was the trial of the century.

  • And for the first time, people were able to hear a trial

  • on their radios.

  • There was a point in the trial in which Clarence Darrow

  • asked scientists to explain the theory of evolution,

  • but the judge in the Scopes Monkey trial was John Raulston

  • and he believed, "I have been called on by God

  • "to be the judge in this case

  • "so I don't care what all these scientists have to say.

  • "They can't give testimony."

  • So Clarence Darrow decided, "Okay, all of my witnesses

  • "they can't give testimony so I'll ask someone

  • "who's an expert on the Bible to give testimony.

  • "Hey, Williams Jenning Bryan,

  • "I know you're on the other side of this case,

  • "but why don't you go on the witness stand

  • "and I'll question you about the Bible."

  • (dramatic instrumental music)

  • Now, Williams Jenning Bryan was so excited about this.

  • He was like, "Oh my God, I'm gonna destroy you as a witness.

  • "I will go on witness stand."

  • Now the judge didn't want him to do this.

  • The judge was present, presidential. (laughing)

  • When Clarence Darrow puts William Jennings Bryan

  • on the Bible, he asks, "Do you believe all the stories

  • "of the Bible literally?"

  • And the first answer of Williams Jenning Bryan is,

  • "Yes, the Bible is literal.

  • "I believe in it literally."

  • And then asking him specific questions.

  • "Where did Cain's wife come from?

  • "He made Adam and Eve and then all of a sudden

  • "there are other people and Cain finds a wife.

  • "Where did, where did Cain's wife come from?"

  • Williams Jenning Bryan gets flustered and says,

  • "Well, I, I leave that up to you agnostics to find out."

  • That's all Clarence Darrow needed.

  • "So, you're not interpreting the Bible literally."

  • Clarence Darrow goes on to destroy

  • Williams Jenning Bryan on facts.

  • - [Host] Are you still spinning or how do you feel?

  • - Well, I'm, I'm dizzy.

  • I feel weird.

  • I feel like I think I know where I'm going.

  • And then I get utterly confused

  • about where I thought I was going.

  • Ah, nope.

  • Gonna get Facebook responses for this.

  • This was the complete destruction of Williams Jenning Bryan,

  • and Williams Jenning Bryan looks like a fool,

  • but Williams Jenning Bryan knows,

  • "I have the most amazing closing argument to make."

  • So the entire country listening to the radio agrees

  • Clarence Darrow just mopped the floor

  • with Williams Jenning Bryan,

  • but Williams Jenning Bryan has

  • the most amazing closing argument to make.

  • Unfortunately for him, Clarence Darrow also knows

  • that he probably has a pretty amazing closing argument.

  • So, when the judge asks Clarence Darrow says,

  • "I don't wanna make a closing argument."

  • By law, Williams Jenning Bryan now cannot make

  • his closing argument.

  • He was like, "You scumbag.

  • "You know what a (beep) scumbag you're being right now?"

  • He was just humiliated and now he can't even make

  • the closing argument he's been working on

  • for the entire trial because he knew that,

  • at least in the minds of those listening to the trial

  • on the radio, he had won, and that's all he wanted.

  • Because he knew he was gonna lose.

  • He wanted to lose so that a higher court could decide

  • on this bigger law.

  • Six days after the trial, Williams Jenning Bryan died

  • and the press reported that Williams Jenning Bryan

  • didn't die of diabetes.

  • He died of a broken heart.

  • - [Host] Do you think they were right?

  • - No, I think he died of diabetes.

  • - [Host] (laughing) Perfect ending.

  • (BJ laughing)

  • (dramatic instrumental music)

  • - Hello, I'm Claudia O'Doherty

  • and today we're gonna talk about the Trial of the Rats.

  • Congrats.

  • - Congrats.

  • - To rats.

  • Long rats.

  • (upbeat instrumental music)

  • So here we go.

  • It's France, it's 1508.

  • Things are crazy because it's medieval times.

  • France is under ecclesiastical law at this time,

  • which means church law.

  • The church controls the legal system.

  • They're like, "We're very smart.

  • "We've read the Bible tons of times and guess what?

  • "Uh, animals are the same as humans right now.

  • "So if you've got a problem

  • "and you think the animal's responsible

  • "we'll put the animal on trial."

  • So they put tons of animals on trial for being ding-dongs

  • some for doing bad stuff to humans.

  • I guess they had so much spare time then.

  • So, the farmers go to look at their harvest

  • and they're like, "Oh no, where's all our barley.

  • "I'm really sad.

  • "Um, I know who's responsible.

  • "(burping) Rats."

  • So the farmer's like, "Guess what, rats?

  • "We're gonna sue you."

  • And the rats like, "Go for it, loser 'cause we're rats.

  • "No one can really hold us responsible for that" (laughs)

  • (host laughing)

  • So the farmers went over to the church people

  • and they were like,

  • "The rats are eating all of our barley crops.

  • "Can we sue the rats?"

  • They're like, "Yes, definitely.

  • "We'll sue the rats."

  • They're so dumb.

  • - Let's been nice about them

  • 'cause they were dumb from our perspective-

  • - They not gonna see this show, it's fine.

  • And they're like, "Who will we make the lawyer for the rats

  • "because the rats deserve a public defender?

  • "We're not crazy."

  • (host laughing)

  • And then they got Bartholomew Chassenez.

  • And they're like, "Guess what?

  • "We've got a great job for you."

  • And he's like, "What is it?

  • "I love being a lawyer.

  • "It's my life." (burping)

  • And he, and they're like, "You're defending someone cool."

  • And he's like, "Good.

  • "I can't wait to do a great job for them."

  • "It's rats.

  • "It's rats, mate."

  • And he's like, "Cool, thank you for the opportunity.

  • "I'll be there and I'm gonna work my heart out for you.

  • "I just love law and being a lawyer."

  • So they're like, "Great, we're just gonna post

  • "summonses everywhere for the rats being like come to the,

  • "come to your trial, rats.

  • "You're in big trouble."

  • Which is so stupid.

  • But that's what they did.

  • So the rats saw the scrolls

  • and then the rats said to each other,

  • "Let's go get some food 'cause we're rats

  • "and we don't know what that says."

  • (dramatic instrumental music)

  • So, everyone shows up for this trial.

  • The cathedral is jam-packed with human beings.

  • "The rats are gonna be here, right?"

  • "We've all cleared our schedules to like see the,

  • "put these rats on trial."

  • And then the rats arrive.

  • No, they don't.

  • - Why did you say they arrive?

  • - They don't arrive.

  • - Why did you say they arrive?

  • - To like create dramatic tension.

  • - [Host] I got so excited picturing rats

  • coming into a trial.

  • - They didn't come.

  • The rats, meanwhile, they're just like,

  • "We care about two things: being alive, chomping on cheese."

  • They're the two things, that's all they care about.

  • (host laughing)

  • The judge is like, "This isn't good.

  • "There's no rats here.

  • "We're gonna be, we're gonna, the rats are gonna be held

  • "in contempt of the court."

  • And then Bartholomew Chassenez, he's like,

  • "I'll tell you why the rats aren't here

  • "'cause the rats, they live on their own.

  • "They're not just like all in one place.

  • "If you want the rats to come,

  • "you have to deliver summons to every rat."

  • And the Bishop and the clergy had a chat

  • and they were like, "He's right."

  • "We'll set another trial date

  • "hand we'll deliver summons to every single rat."

  • They put up millions of summonses.

  • The rats see the summonses and they're like,

  • "I don't think we're gonna go, again, 'cause we're rats."

  • (dramatic instrumental music)

  • So everyone's come again.

  • They've cleared their schedules,

  • they've come to court again.

  • And then guess what?

  • The rats don't come again because they're rats.

  • They don't understand language

  • and they just, they don't want to.

  • While they're waiting, Chassenez says, "What am I gonna say?

  • "I want everyone to know I'm such a good lawyer."

  • And he was like, and he thought of it.

  • He thought of such a good defense.

  • "Guess what?

  • "Uh-uh, rats can't come right now

  • "because it's daytime for rats and right now

  • "their official enemy cats would get them

  • "and they'd be mortally wounded

  • "and they couldn't defend themselves in a court of law,

  • "and if your life is in danger to come to court, guess what?

  • "According to French law, you don't have to come to court.

  • "If there are cats on the road, we must acquit."

  • That's what he said.

  • And then guess what?

  • That's the end of the story

  • because there's no more records of the story.

  • 'Cause guess what?

  • Someone ate the records.

  • Who was it?

  • It was the rats.

  • It might've been bugs, but it was probably rats.

  • (host laughing)

  • So, the next part is the story,

  • this is how it probably ended, is they're like

  • "Blah, blah, blah, French, blah, blah, blah."

  • Clergy talking to Bishop and they're like,

  • "What do we do, blah, blah, blah?"

  • And they're like, "Guess what?

  • "The rats are acquitted."

  • And Bartholomew's like, "Yes, I'm the best rat lawyer.

  • "No one is as good as me."

  • And then, so from then he got some great jobs.

  • He represented a rooster.

  • He got the rooster off.

  • - Nothing makes a mother happier

  • than finding out her child is representing a rooster.

  • - Yeah, like, "My son, he's doing great.

  • "He's a lawyer.

  • "He got the rats off.

  • "He got the rooster off, and then he got a pig off.

  • "'Cause that's what he did."

  • - [Host] Cockadoodle doo.

  • (Claudia and host laughing)

  • (sweeping instrumental music)

- "Hey, guys.

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