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  • - I'm so nervous.

  • - Oh no, you're not.

  • - I just can't believe it.

  • - Well, thank you for inviting me to

  • do this little interview with you.

  • - Thank you for even being a part of it

  • like I'm so (indistinct) right now.

  • I don't even know what to say.

  • (light hearted music)

  • - Really excited to talk with you this afternoon.

  • Thank you for taking the time.

  • So Representative Waters wrote you a letter

  • in support after your New York times op-ed

  • your really wonderful New York times op-ed this fall.

  • And I'm wondering if you can speak a bit about

  • what it meant to receive that letter from her.

  • And then Representative Waters.

  • If you can speak a little bit about

  • what moved you to send that letter.

  • Just to receive any type of recognition

  • from the wonderful Ms. Waters.

  • It really blew my mind because

  • I know that it's me being a young black woman

  • in my generation the things that I fight for,

  • the things that I talk about every day,

  • it seems new for us because we're just now going through it.

  • But to be recognized by a woman that has always spoke out

  • about these issues and has always been an advocate

  • for black women and just black

  • the whole black community, I felt,

  • I felt overwhelmed.

  • I felt seen,

  • I just felt very appreciative because I'm like, okay,

  • it's hard to feel like you're doing something new.

  • It's, it's hard to feel like

  • I'm speaking about something for the first time.

  • Cause I've never done it before.

  • And I'm seeing the things that people are saying to me

  • and how so, you know, some people

  • may not agree with what I'm saying.

  • They feel, they feel like it's controversial.

  • And all I'm saying is protect black women.

  • And now people are taking it like it's,

  • I'm saying something crazy.

  • So just to be supported by another black woman who,

  • sends the same message, I feel like, you know what?

  • I am doing the right thing and I'm gonna keep doing it.

  • Cause Maxine Waters said I can.

  • - Great, that's great.

  • Well, let me just tell you that

  • I was moved by your article.

  • And I was so pleased that you wrote the article

  • for a lot of reasons.

  • Often times, particularly happens with entertainers.

  • They put you on a box.

  • And somehow they don't see you as a person who has a life

  • that includes family.

  • That includes interactions,

  • decisions that you have to make.

  • That has nothing to do with your performance.

  • And so they don't see you

  • as thinking about the plight, for example,

  • of black women or civil rights or any of these issues.

  • So that's why I was very pleased that you wrote it.

  • And so when we saw it, we thought, wow, this is great.

  • And I'm so pleased.

  • Let's let's write her.

  • Let's, let's let her know that

  • we think that, that she's doing a great thing

  • and has done a great thing.

  • And I want you to know that when you,

  • you know speak yourself and you say maybe,

  • people think you're being too controversial,

  • et cetera et cetera, pay that no attention.

  • But some people who don't have courage,

  • and don't have confidence,

  • they don't understand it when they see it in other people.

  • So you, you should be proud of that.

  • You should be proud of who you are.

  • And I know you are, and not only are your talent,

  • but you're a person who, what do you care about?

  • And, and what is it you're doing,

  • that is not only good for you but good for others?

  • So thank you very much.

  • And I'm pleased to be with you.

  • - Wonderful, thank you so much.

  • That sort of brings me to my next question, which is,

  • what's the biggest lesson you hope

  • that young black women can sort of learn

  • from this current moment that we're in?

  • - Well, you know, I think that because black women

  • have not been respected in ways

  • that will help them to feel good about themselves.

  • And they looked to others in particularly men,

  • in order to get approval,

  • then, you know, we need to say to black women,

  • first of all, concentrate on whom you are

  • and what you think, and what you care about.

  • And approval does not always have to come from others.

  • Other people's opinions do not make you.

  • And the opinion of men do not determine who you are.

  • And so we want women to have the kind of confidence

  • that we're talking about today.

  • That you have Megan.

  • And so I think it is anything that we can say,

  • to other black women is that get grounded,

  • get grounded you have an opinion.

  • And you, your thinking and

  • you're taking charge of your life,

  • rather than have everybody else telling you what you can do

  • what you should do, what you shouldn't do.

  • And so building confidence

  • is the most important lesson that we can share.

  • - Wonderful.

  • - So happy to be here.

  • - That brings me also to my next question

  • which is, how do you build community with other black women?

  • You know what I'm seeing right now between the two of you

  • is like, it's like a

  • it's like an example of how you build community,

  • which is showing words of affirmation for another person.

  • Saying, I see you when I see you.

  • So I'm just wondering how you build

  • those sorts of community.

  • What sort of actions you do to build community

  • with other black women.

  • First of all, we have to take people where they are.

  • And we have to be honest with people about whom we are.

  • And we have to be honest in ways

  • that will help people to open up and be honest with you.

  • And so if we put ourselves high on a pedestal somewhere,

  • and we're talking about, I'm your role model

  • and you gotta do this,

  • you gotta act this way and you got to dress this way

  • and you should be doing this, et cetera.

  • First of all, we're not being honest.

  • And secondly, we have people who address

  • the issues in different ways.

  • We have people certainly who have you know,

  • different thoughts

  • things that we don't even think about or know about.

  • And we have people who,

  • you know, don't accept you know,

  • what is considered the tradition.

  • And we have to respect that.

  • And we have to take people where they are.

  • And when we approach people,

  • it is not trying to have them believe

  • that somehow you are more pure,

  • you are more knowledgeable, you are more anything.

  • Accept people where they are,

  • and they'll accept you where you are.

  • So when I see someone and I'm talking with them,

  • I'm looking at them, and I'm listening to them.

  • I don't care what they have on.

  • I don't care about anything else,

  • but what this person is expressing.

  • And I'm not judging them on anything else

  • except what they are sharing with me.

  • And for me, that is a way that you connect with others.

  • That is the way you build community.

  • That is where you get trust.

  • And that is where you come to other people's aid.

  • When people need you, you come to their aid.

  • I'm talking about just having the ability

  • to have someone listen to you.

  • That's hearing that's hearing what you're saying

  • or you are sharing a moment.

  • And so that's how you build community.

  • You respect people, you take them where they are

  • and you come to the aid when they need you

  • - All my life, I was raised by women.

  • I had my mother, my grandmother, and my great-grandmother

  • and my aunt.

  • Growing up,

  • they always taught me maybe

  • you can do whatever you wanna do,

  • be whoever you wanna be.

  • As long as you're a woman

  • who knows that at the end of the day

  • you don't have to depend on anybody else.

  • Get out here in the world and making yours.

  • So I never knew that, I never grew up thinking,

  • oh my gosh, I can't do this.

  • I'm a gosh, I'm not Megan, and I'm not beautiful.

  • And I'm not an amazing, like I always grew up thinking

  • so highly of myself that

  • when like obstacles came towards me, I'm like

  • I'm gonna beat this or I'm gonna get over it,

  • because I'm Megan and I'm awesome.

  • And then my mom said I was great, so I must be amazing.

  • So nobody else can tell me any different.

  • So when I grow up and I started becoming aware of

  • everybody else, because I was in my own little bubble,

  • I'm the only child.

  • But when I started growing up and realizing that

  • everybody might not have had the same household as me,

  • I realized that other women may not have been told

  • all their life that they're so beautiful and that they

  • are amazing, and you can grow up

  • and you can be whatever you choose to be.

  • Don't let anybody put you in this box.

  • Girl be you.

  • And when I realized that,

  • a lot of my friends didn't have that.

  • Like I really was like, you know what Megan,

  • maybe God put these women in your life,

  • so you could be in other women's lives

  • and you can uplift them the way that

  • the women that I gave you uplifted you.

  • So now that I'm in a position, to where I took my mindset,

  • and I turned my situation into this,

  • I felt like I have to give back to my community.

  • Like my women.

  • Like, I want everybody to feel the way

  • that I felt growing up.

  • I am currently still in school.

  • I remember what it was like to be a freshman on campus.

  • And I'm like, Oh my God,

  • my mom said she is not paying my student loans.

  • What is (indistinct)

  • Like, I was so confused about everything.

  • And I just remember that it was a real struggle.

  • When I got in a position to do that for other women,

  • I was like I'm definitely doing that.

  • Because girl, I know what it felt like

  • to be confused and struggling.

  • And you didn't want to give up on your dream.

  • So you just worked super hard to like stay there.

  • And I really want to be a part of other women's story,

  • where they're like,

  • I was going to give up, I couldn't do it.

  • But guess what Megan Stallion said I could, so I did.

  • And she really helped me, so it really makes me feel good.

  • Everything is not gonna come easy,

  • but I know that if I can make it easy for somebody,

  • I wanna do that.

  • - Wow that is so commendable.

  • To, you know, talk about how you can help other women.

  • And let me just tell you, when I think about you

  • and you continue in your education,

  • I said to myself, you know what?

  • She doesn't have to go to nobody's school anymore.

  • She's got it.

  • She's done it.

  • She's got it made.

  • So that is so absolutely commendable

  • that you continue to focus on education.

  • When you know, you don't have to.

  • I mean, you know, people go to school to try to get to

  • where you are, and here you are, in this place

  • and you're still, you know, paying attention (mumbles)

  • So that's a very, very commendable.

  • - My mother and my great-grandmother passed away, recently.

  • But my grandmother is still alive,

  • and she will whoop my butt, even me at 25,

  • she would whoop my butt if I dropped out of college.

  • So I'm like, you know what?

  • I'm not only getting a degree for myself.

  • I'm getting it for the women in my family

  • who originally pushed me to go to school anyway.

  • - That's why I remember if you had, you know, grandmamma

  • great grandmamma and mama and all of that,

  • I know what they said, girl, get educated,

  • because they can't take it out of your head.

  • They can't take it away from you.

  • If you get,

  • that's what they always said, right?

  • Get educated.

  • - Get, get,

  • my great grandmother always said get them papers.

  • - Well, that's great.

  • And again, I commend you for continuing to do that.

  • And now I understand even more why it's important to you.

  • You're not just doing it for yourself,

  • you're doing it for them.

  • And I'm sorry to hear about the losses that you've had.

  • - Thank you so much for sharing all of that.

  • Just I wanted to ask,

  • we've just come off an election.

  • Where we've seen the incredible organizing power

  • in black women like Stacey Abrams and Natasha Brown.

  • And the countless other community organizers,

  • who work too so hard at this election season.

  • And the response has been from some people

  • to assign those black women even more work,

  • and to talk about our potential to save the world,

  • which we know we can do, but it's a very heavy burden.

  • How do we redirect that impulse?

  • And how do we ensure that

  • we're being supported and protected,

  • as much as we are being celebrated or asked to help?

  • - One of the most important things for each of us to do,

  • is to examine who we are and to get grounded

  • in who we are and have our own philosophies about life

  • and what we care about.

  • That's very important to know yourself.

  • Know yourself, know whom you are.

  • And when you do that and you set out to do things

  • like Stacey Abrams and other women who have been involved

  • in voter registration, it's because you want to do it.

  • It is because this is whom you are.

  • This is because you believe that you have the power,

  • and the ability to be helpful and to change things.

  • Now, how do you do that?

  • And then not have others expected of you,

  • expecting of you to do other things

  • and more and more and more?

  • Once you get grounded and whom you are,

  • then you know how much you wanna do,

  • you know, how much you don't wanna do.

  • You are not driven, about what others always want you to do.

  • You're driven by what you feel,

  • and what you think and what is right.

  • Because you know who you are.

  • And you are grounded,

  • in such a way that your direction is determined by you.

  • So if Stacy wanted to, you know,

  • go out and register people 24 hours a day,

  • and go to all of those counters that she went to, you know

  • that it never seen an elected official,

  • that's because she's made some decisions about herself.

  • And so when somebody else comes along,

  • and they say now you've done all of that.

  • Now here's what we want you to do.

  • She knows how to say, yeah nay, that's not who I am.

  • This is what I'm doing.

  • And stay on your own track and do what drives you,

  • and what makes you feel good, and what feels right for you.

  • I have no problem saying no.

  • Because I've learned that if you don't say no,

  • you will be overwhelmed,

  • with what everybody else wants you to do,

  • what they think you should do.

  • And people call on me sometimes to talk about

  • subjects I have no idea what they're talking about.

  • And I have to say, you're talking to the wrong person.

  • I don't know anything about that.

  • And so you have to know when to say no.

  • I know what you mean.

  • When, when you talk about the compliments that you get,

  • for what you do, and then people start telling you,

  • about other things you should be doing and could be doing,

  • these problems that they ran into,

  • that need some help on et cetera.

  • You can't do everything, and you're not good at everything.

  • And so do what your heart, your mind, your soul tells you

  • and what you know about what you,

  • what makes you feel right and good,

  • and be grounded in all of that.

  • And it's sometimes you have to say,

  • no I'm sorry, I can't do that.

  • So that's how I, that's how I handle the world.

  • - I love that.

  • That is a, that that's very

  • very good advice on how to, how to move through it.

  • Megan, do you feel like you are able to sort of balance

  • the demands that people expect you,

  • the things that people expect you to speak on

  • that maybe you don't feel like you can't speak on yet,

  • and the things that you feel passionate about speaking on?

  • Have you found that balance yet

  • as you're sort of growing into and knowing yourself?

  • - I've been very, self-aware all my life,

  • but as you go through new experiences,

  • like you become, you know, a new person almost.

  • I mean, I have the same morals, goals.

  • Like I'm still Megan, but like I'm going through new things.

  • So now I'm able to just speak about new things.

  • When I don't know something,

  • I'm not gonna like talk deeply about it.

  • Like, because I need to learn

  • cause you're never too old to learn,

  • but I know who I am as a person.

  • And I know what I'm comfortable speaking about.

  • I know what I want to speak about,

  • just like Ms. Water said.

  • I feel like I'm getting to a point

  • to where I am becoming very grounded.

  • So I am comfortable with telling people no,

  • you can't ask me to do something that I don't wanna do.

  • Like, and I'm not a person that's easily swayed either.

  • Like if I'm telling, you no,

  • like I really just, I genuinely mean that.

  • So I'm only going to talk to you about

  • what Megan wants to talk about,

  • and I'm only gonna do what Megan wants to do.

  • And there is nobody powerful enough

  • like walking the earth that's going to make me feel

  • any differently about it.

  • - What music do you listen to, when you need encouragement?

  • Or to psych yourself up,

  • and to sort of get what you need to get done?

  • - Well, first of all, I have to tell you, Megan

  • I am kinda old school now, you know.

  • Because I still,

  • I still listen to some of the old songs

  • that some women in the blues and jazz community,

  • you know, gave to us.

  • You know, I'm talking about a Billy Holiday,

  • or a Sarah Yvonne.

  • Some of these women, I have all of those recordings

  • and I still listen to them,

  • but I want you to know something happened to me

  • at the height of a gangster rap.

  • This is what happened.

  • We had so many people, who didn't understand

  • this new genre.

  • And we had so many of, you know, mature people

  • who wanted to sensor it.

  • Particularly gangster rap.

  • And so, I can recall when there was a woman

  • who was actually the secretary of state,

  • I think in Pennsylvania.

  • Who took up the issue of censoring, rap artists.

  • And I'm a real first amendment person.

  • Who believed in the right of freedom of speech.

  • And so I took up the cause with Tupac

  • and with Dr. J,

  • and with a number of artists to defend them.

  • And so I went before the United States Senate.

  • And at that time I recorded something

  • that Tupac had done where he talked about his mom.

  • It was so inspiring when he talked about, you know,

  • he basically said, you know, she's a dope being

  • but she's my queen, you know?

  • And I thought these people got something to say.

  • And they're saying something that's very important.

  • And so what I do is I listen to the young people around me,

  • and they may tell me something,

  • maybe you ought to pay attention to.

  • And I might listen to something.

  • Like when they told me I ought to listen to

  • (man mumbles)

  • no, no, no.

  • I knew about Savage, because I did pay attention

  • to that kind of on my own.

  • I paid attention to that, because it was a remix.

  • And I liked the idea of getting together with Beyonce.

  • You know what I mean?

  • I thought that was, that was really

  • really important for a lot of reasons.

  • One was, you know, Beyonce had been around a bit longer,

  • and had achieved a certain level of success.

  • But she was not thinking of herself

  • in such a way that she knew more,

  • that she had achieved so much.

  • She came looking for you, and she did this remix.

  • And I thought, well, that's what women do.

  • That's what black women do.

  • (Waters mumbles)

  • You know what I mean?

  • So I kinda paid attention to that.

  • But then they told me to look at,

  • was it what?

  • And I did.

  • Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry,

  • don't worry, don't worry.

  • (mumbling)

  • And here's what I said,

  • here's what I said.

  • Now that's audacity.

  • That is audacity.

  • And that is,

  • the ability for women to take charge

  • of what they wanna say.

  • Because I, as I said,

  • I had paid attention to the young, you know,

  • gangster rap a time when, you know, men were in charge.

  • They say whatever they wanted to say,

  • they say whatever they want to say about women,

  • what have you.

  • But women, you know, didn't say for a long time,

  • what they could say, or wanted to say, or dared to say.

  • And so I thought that's audacity.

  • So I'm with you, I'm fine.

  • I have no problem with that.

  • The genre as it evolves,

  • from the time that, you know,

  • I've seen all kinds of transitions take place.

  • With some of the younger artists,

  • until I'm seeing today that,

  • you young women, have taken control of your art.

  • And you're, you're, you're defining it in ways

  • that never would be defined by anybody else.

  • And you are willing to have the courage and the nerves

  • and their audacity to say whatever the hell you think.

  • When hardcore rap was not accepted,

  • even by black people and the ministers in the church.

  • And, you know, like this, woman who was an elected official.

  • Who drew some other people in, you know,

  • and I won't name the names,

  • but they drew in some very famous singers.

  • Who joined with them, the pure creativity,

  • and the talent of rap took over.

  • And, you know, and it took over not because

  • the white media or anybody else helped with that.

  • It took over because it was so accepted by so many.

  • And so loved by so many.

  • And that's how it keeps evolving.

  • It keeps evolving in ways that now you have Megan,

  • who is up for four Grammy awards.

  • But doing it her way.

  • - Oh my God.

  • I love it here.

  • - This is really beautiful, really special.

  • Thank you for that.

  • And thank you for putting all of this into context for us,

  • representative waters.

  • I mean, I think you just really made it clear, you know

  • the legacy that Megan's working within.

  • That we all know she's working within.

  • That was just really wonderful, thank you for that,

  • sort of whole reset of understanding the moment

  • that we're in right now.

  • My last question to the both of you is

  • how do you respond when someone tells you to stay quiet,

  • or to not speak up?

  • - Reclaim and my time.

  • Well, I just say that because that turned out

  • to be so much fun.

  • And I got adopted by the millennials based on

  • confronting the treasury secretary,

  • who was trying to talk over me and talk around me.

  • But unfortunately or fortunately, I come from a huge family.

  • I had 12 brothers and sisters, and you know

  • a father who left early, a stepfather,

  • a mother who struggled.

  • And so my mother was very outspoken,

  • and she was a very strong woman.

  • And she always taught us to, you know,

  • don't talk about what you don't have,

  • make do with what you have.

  • And all of those lessons that were, you know,

  • very important to me that I learned.

  • And so she was outspoken and I'm sure a lot of what I do,

  • you know, emanated from her.

  • But the other thing is, when you're

  • in a house with 13 kids, you better be outspoken.

  • If you wanna get hurt, if you wanna get recognized,

  • if you wanna make sure that, you know,

  • all the dinner's not gone, when you come in

  • from, you know, your practice at your high school

  • or something, you have to learn to speak up.

  • And so I've been controversial because of that.

  • Because I dare to speak up.

  • And as you know, I started asking for the,

  • impeachment of the president

  • from the time he was inaugurated,

  • up until today on the second impeachment.

  • I saw him for what he was, as a dangerous human being.

  • And so I received a lot of criticism for that,

  • but, you know, I love constructive criticism,

  • but outplace criticism doesn't bother me.

  • I am outspoken.

  • And that's who I am.

  • - Same, like I said, my mother and my aunt,

  • my great-grandmother all the women in my life

  • were very strong, very outspoken.

  • And they just taught me to be there where they

  • taught me to be confident in what I had.

  • We weren't rich, but that she was teaching me

  • how to make do with my situation,

  • where whatever I had, like I said

  • they never taught me to be shy.

  • They never taught me to not voice my opinion.

  • And they taught me, you know, of course,

  • your black mother gonna tell you speak when you spoken to.

  • You know what I'm saying?

  • But like when I, anything that they taught to me,

  • I took into the outside world.

  • I brought into my real life.

  • Nobody can make me not speak when I know that

  • it's something that I really believe in.

  • Nobody can make me change my mind

  • when it's something that I just really feel

  • in my heart in my gut is right.

  • So if somebody is trying to silence me,

  • like I always try to figure out

  • well why are you trying to silence my will.

  • Well what, what, what are you hiding?

  • Like, what is it, why, why should I not be able to speak

  • about the things that I feel strongly about?

  • And when I got the platform, to speak openly

  • and I actually had people who was listening,

  • I was like oh yeah, this is what,

  • I knew I was supposed to do.

  • Like, aside from me just being a rapper,

  • and me being, you know, the competent woman

  • owning my body, that I am, I still am a daughter.

  • I still I'm a granddaughter.

  • I still am a student.

  • I still am a best friend.

  • So I know that I still need to be,

  • that same Megan.

  • And I wanna give that to as many people as I can.

  • I want to show girls, you can chase your dream.

  • that may seem very farfetched,

  • and you still get your education.

  • I just wanna show, you know

  • other people in general, like you, you can beat the odds.

  • I came from the South side of Houston.

  • I would've never thought that I will be

  • in a place that I am now.

  • But I knew this is where I wanted to be.

  • And I didn't let anybody silence me.

  • And I didn't let anybody kill my dream.

  • No matter how many nos I heard, I was like

  • who can I turn this into a hail yeah?

  • So I just always stayed true to who I was.

  • And that's always why I have to remind myself

  • when it seems like it's getting hard,

  • or when it seems like it's a lot of people

  • just maybe dog piling on me, just,

  • you can get through this

  • because you have been through worse.

  • So stay true to yourself.

  • And that's why nobody can ever really stop.

  • - Wow, that's great.

  • That's so great.

  • And my husband is from Houston.

  • It's a large family, you know, all around Houston.

  • And he came from fifth ward.

  • And, - Okay.

  • (Megan and Waters laugh)

  • (indistinct)

  • - And so, you know, he came from the hood,

  • came from the neighborhood.

  • And of course I know at some of the,

  • I remember when rap really got prominent

  • coming out of the South and coming out of Houston

  • and I know Scarface and all those people.

  • - Yes. - And,

  • and so, you know, I appreciate that Houston

  • produces so much talent.

  • You know, so much talent has come out of Houston.

  • And so you're a role model whether you wanna be or not,

  • and you're to be commended,

  • for sharing and forgiven and for helping others.

  • And, you know, I'm looking forward to, you know

  • your been successful with the Grammys

  • just to be nominated is extraordinarily important.

  • I mean, that's big time.

  • And so you have reached, you know,

  • a certain level of success

  • that you should be very very proud of

  • and the world is yours, and there is no end to it.

  • There's no stopping.

  • You have proven that you can get what you want,

  • and you can go where you need to be.

  • So thank you so much, loved talking with you enjoy

  • today.

  • - Thank you so much for talking to me.

  • This has really made my year.

  • Like I feel so accomplished.

  • I feel amazing. You gave me some words of encouragement

  • and now I have to go reassure my hotties.

  • Ms. Maxine said,

  • (all laughing)

  • that we are so (indistinct)

  • So just thank you so much

  • for even taking the time out to do this.

  • I really appreciate it

  • - But thank you.

  • It's been joyful I've loved being with you today.

  • Thank you.

  • (upbeat music)

- I'm so nervous.

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