Placeholder Image

Subtitles section Play video

  • So you want to be a pathologist.

  • You detest the idea of being around other human beings and find solace in staring down

  • a microscope.

  • Let’s debunk the public perception myths and give it to you straight.

  • This is the reality of pathology.

  • Dr. Jubbal, MedSchoolInsiders.com

  • Welcome to our next installment in So You Want to Be.

  • In this series, we highlight a specific specialty within medicine, such as pathology, and help

  • you decide if it’s a good fit for you.

  • You can find the other specialties on our So You Want to Be playlist.

  • If you have a specific specialty you want covered, be sure to vote in our upcoming polls,

  • and to do that youll need to be subscribed.

  • If you’d like to see what being a pathologist looks like, check out my second channel, Kevin

  • Jubbal, M.D., where we'll be covering a day in the life of a pathologist in the future.

  • Pathology is the field of medicine concerned with the study of body tissues and body fluids.

  • It is considered a “support specialty”, similar to radiology, in that it is ancillary

  • to the clinical staff.

  • Pathologists examine specimens to give tissue diagnoses as well as manage clinical labs

  • ordered by other physicians - from microbiology, to hematology, to chemistry, and everything

  • between.

  • The field of pathology is heavily intertwined with other fields of medicine.

  • Many of the treatment decisions that other physicians make have in some way been influenced

  • by the pathologist.

  • Whether it be the interpretation of a tissue sample or the results of a blood test, pathologists

  • heavily impact many clinical decisions.

  • There are two main divisions within pathology: anatomic pathology and clinical pathology.

  • The easiest way to differentiate between the two is by the type of sample they work with.

  • Anatomic pathologists focus primarily on histopathology, or the diagnosis and study of disease by examining

  • tissues and cells under a microscope.

  • These tissue samples may come from more routine procedures such as Pap smears and fine needle

  • aspirations, or more invasive surgical procedures such as tumor resections and hysterectomies.

  • Examining samples underneath a microscope and determining a histologic diagnosis is

  • the foundation of anatomic pathology.

  • Clinical pathologists, on the other hand, focus primarily on laboratory medicine and

  • test blood and other bodily fluids.

  • This includes routine tests such as complete blood counts, or CBCs, and comprehensive metabolic

  • panels, or CMPs, as well as more complex tests such as molecular testing for cancer markers

  • and genome sequencing.

  • As experts in laboratory medicine, they spend most of their time analyzing and interpreting

  • these tests; however, they also often take on more director-type roles within the lab

  • and ensure quality control and proper proficiency testing.

  • Another important way of differentiating a pathologist’s practice is academic versus

  • community versus private practice.

  • Academic pathologists work at universities and research institutions and will further

  • split their time between teaching and research responsibilities.

  • They often see more complex cases than their community or private practice colleagues and

  • tend to work more hours on average.

  • The additional hours worked each week are not necessarily a consequence of having a

  • greater number of cases, but can instead be attributed to the complexity of the specimens

  • they are evaluating.

  • Due to this complexity, pathologists in academia tend to be very subspecialized and often only

  • practice within that subspecialty.

  • In community or private practice settings, there is often little to no teaching or research

  • involved.

  • They tend to see more of the bread and butter cases; however, depending on the skill of

  • the pathologist, they may take on more complex cases as well.

  • This will depend on the pathologist’s individual strengths and weaknesses and what they feel

  • comfortable with.

  • When pathologists receive difficult samples, it is common to collaborate with other pathologists

  • or send the sample out for evaluation at an academic institution.

  • In terms of lifestyle, community and private practice pathologists tend to have more of

  • a nine-to-five schedule and don’t generally work weekends or take call.

  • In the academic setting, however, this will vary greatly depending on where you work and

  • what your caseload is.

  • In terms of compensation, private practice pathologists tend to make the most, followed

  • by community pathologists, and lastly academic pathologists.

  • The differences can be quite significant in some cases, with private practice physicians

  • sometimes taking home over $100,000 more per year than their academic colleagues.

  • Let’s clear up some of the misconceptions about pathology.

  • The first is that pathologists aren’t “real doctorsbecause they don’t see patients.

  • Although it is true that most pathologists spend the majority of their time in the lab

  • and rarely see patients directly, they are all still physicians.

  • They went to medical school, completed residency, and passed their boards just like any other

  • physician.

  • Another common misconception is that all pathologists are geeky and have poor communication skills.

  • Contrary to popular belief, pathologists don’t spend all day sitting alone in a room looking

  • at slidesnor do they do everything themselves.

  • Pathologists often manage a team of pathology assistants and techs who do much of the grossing,

  • slide preparation, and actual running of the tests.

  • The pathologist’s primary job is to direct the team and focus on the diagnosis of disease.

  • Pathologists also regularly communicate with various physicians, surgeons, and other members

  • of the healthcare team to ensure patients receive accurate diagnoses and treatments.

  • It is often said that “a pathologist’s diagnostic skills are only as good as their

  • ability to communicate them effectively.”

  • Many people also believe that pathology is a dying field that will soon be replaced by

  • artificial intelligence and machine learning; however, based on current technologies, this

  • is unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future.

  • Although there have been many promising studies where AI algorithms have been able to accurately

  • diagnose disease, you will ultimately need to have someone knowledgeable to interpret

  • the results and determine whether or not they are accurate.

  • That being said, it is possible that AI will be used as a tool to increase pathologists

  • efficiency to the point that we experience decreases in demand for pathologists; however,

  • only time will tell what the true impact of AI on the field of pathology will be.

  • After medical school, pathology residency is 3-4 years depending on which pathway you

  • choose.

  • The majority of pathology residents complete combined anatomical and clinical pathology

  • residency which is four years long; however, there are separate anatomic and clinical residency

  • programs as well which are three years long.

  • For combined anatomical and clinical pathology programs, first-year residents will often

  • spend more of their time focused on anatomical pathology.

  • Years two and three are generally some combination of anatomic pathology and clinical pathology,

  • and year four is generally more focused on clinical pathology.

  • Since clinical pathology is generally less demanding on a resident’s time, this curriculum

  • structure provides fourth-year residents with more time to study for boards.

  • It should be noted, however, that some programs have a more simple approach to their curriculums

  • and do two years of anatomic pathology followed by two years of clinical pathology.

  • Most pathologists who complete combined AP/CP residency programs will become board-certified

  • in both anatomic and clinical pathology; however, they will often only practice within one.

  • In terms of competitiveness, pathology is at the lower end of average.

  • In 2020, the average Step 1 and Step 2 scores for pathology residents were 233 and 242 respectively

  • and the match rate was 98.2%.

  • This was the second-highest match rate that year only behind radiation oncology at 99.2%.

  • However, as weve discussed before on this channel, competitiveness is not purely a function

  • of Step scores and match rate, but also other official data reported by the NRMP.

  • When accounting for these other factors, pathology ranks at 8th least competitive, ahead of neurology,

  • emergency medicine, psychiatry, pediatrics, anesthesiology, PM&R, and family medicine.

  • Those wishing to get into a top pathology program will still need high Step scores,

  • lots of research, and everything else that makes them a strong applicant.

  • Medical students best suited for pathology are science-focused and don’t mind skipping

  • out on patient care.

  • They tend to be more detail-oriented, enjoy working independently, and, unlike perhaps

  • most medical students, actually like histology.

  • Because pathology is such a broad field, most pathologists choose to subspecialize after

  • residency by completing fellowship training.

  • Subspecialties within pathology can be broken down into anatomical and clinical.

  • Let’s start with anatomical pathology subspecialties.

  • Dermatopathology is a 1-year fellowship that provides additional training in the diagnosis

  • of disorders of the skin.

  • This is one of the most sought-after pathology subspecialties as, like dermatology, it is

  • known for having high compensation and a hard-to-beat lifestyle.

  • That being said, it is also one of the most competitive fellowships to get into as you

  • are not only competing against fellow pathologists for a spot but also dermatologists, who tend

  • to be very competitive applicants.

  • Cytopathology is a 1-year fellowship that provides additional training in the interpretation

  • of fine-needle aspiration biopsies, or FNAs, endoscopic ultrasound biopsies, pap smears,

  • pleural and peritoneal fluids, and bile duct and bronchial brushings.

  • Cytopathology is also one of the few pathology specialties where pathologists are trained

  • to perform procedures - specifically superficial FNAs.

  • That being said, the majority of FNAs are still performed by the radiologist.

  • There are a number of other anatomic pathology fellowships including pediatric, forensic,

  • ophthalmic, head and neck, breast, thoracic, gastrointestinal, genitourinary, gynecologic,

  • medical renal, bone and soft tissue, and general surgical pathology.

  • In short, if there’s a medical specialty for it, there’s probably a pathology subspecialty

  • that focuses on it as well.

  • Next, let’s look at clinical pathology subspecialties.

  • Blood Bank and Transfusion Medicine is a 1-year fellowship that provides additional training

  • in blood donor collection, blood antibody testing, transfusion practices, and therapeutic

  • apheresisthe removal of a blood component and replacement with a healthy substitute.

  • Blood bank and transfusion medicine pathologists often go on to serve in medical director roles

  • in hospitals, community blood centers, or reference labs.

  • Of note, pathology is not the only pathway to get into a blood bank and transfusion medicine

  • fellowship.

  • Physicians who have completed residency in internal medicine, pediatrics, and anesthesia,

  • among others are also able to apply for these fellowships.

  • Hematopathology is a 1-2 year fellowship that provides additional training in the clinical

  • and laboratory evaluation of blood, bone marrow, and lymph nodes.

  • Hematopathologists are proficient in the diagnosis and classification of cancers of the blood

  • as well as non-cancerous disease of the bone marrow, lymphoid tissues, and peripheral blood.

  • There are also a number of other clinical pathology subspecialties including clinical

  • chemistry, clinical informatics, medical microbiology, molecular, immunology, and coagulation pathology.

  • To learn more about these different subspecialties within pathology that we couldn’t cover

  • in this video, be sure to check out our So You Want to Be a Pathologist blog post on

  • MedSchoolInsiders.com - link in the description.

  • There’s a lot to love about pathology.

  • To start, pathology has one of the best lifestyles relative to other medical specialties.

  • According to the AAMC, the average pathologist works about 47 hours per week and has low

  • on-call responsibilities.

  • Even when you are on-call, there are few pathology emergencies that would drag you out of bed

  • to evaluate a sample - the exceptions being prolymphocytic leukemia, overnight intraoperative

  • frozen samples, and transplant evaluations.

  • That being said, hours worked per week and on-call responsibilities will vary depending

  • on multiple factors.

  • If you don’t enjoy hands-on patient care, you can also take comfort in knowing that

  • there are few instances where you will have to interact with patients as a pathologist.

  • The exceptions to this are cytopathologists who perform their own FNAs and blood bank

  • pathologists who perform apheresis procedures.

  • Outside of these subspecialties, you will have very limited interaction with patients.

  • The work that pathologists do is often satisfying as well.

  • There are few specialties where you get to give a definitive diagnosis and say for certain

  • what a patient has.

  • Radiologists may look at a film and saythis thing looks like this”; however, a pathologist

  • can often look at a slide and saythis thing is this.”

  • If you enjoy solving puzzles and looking through all of the clues to find the culprit, pathologists

  • do this on a tissue and cellular level day-in and day-out.

  • Sometimes they look at a sample and recognize it immediately, other times they have to perform

  • a variety of tests on the sample and consult with other pathologists to determine what

  • exactly it is.

  • Lastly, love it or hate it, there are a lot of opportunities to perform research as a

  • pathologistespecially at academic institutions.

  • There are so many different subspecialties within pathology that you can carve out your

  • own niche and focus on what truly interests you.

  • That being said, if you hate research, you can always go into private practice or community

  • pathology and avoid it altogether.

  • While pathology is an awesome specialty, it’s not for everyone.

  • To start, pathology is in the middle of all specialties in terms of physician compensation.

  • According to the 2022 Medscape Physician Compensation Report, the average pathologist makes around

  • $334,000 per year.

  • Pathology is also often misunderstood as a specialty.

  • Most peopleincluding other physiciansdon’t really understand the full scope

  • of what a pathologist does.

  • As a result, it can often be a thankless job.

  • If you want to go into medicine for the glory, you are probably better off looking elsewhere.

  • Pathology also offers little continuity of care.

  • You diagnose the patient and move on.

  • If you enjoy making decisions and following through with them, you will likely not enjoy

  • being a pathologist.

  • With advancements in artificial intelligence and machine learning, the field of pathology

  • also has the potential to change significantly in the coming years.

  • Although computers and algorithms are unlikely to replace pathologists in our lifetime, it

  • is likely that they will change the way that pathologists workand nobody knows what

  • the downstream effects will be.

  • If you are not flexible and willing to adapt as new technologies become available, you

  • may want to look elsewhere.

  • Lastly, some pathologists end up regretting going into pathology because they miss the

  • patient care aspect of being a physician.

  • If you enjoy seeing patients and want to interact with them regularly, pathology is probably

  • not the best fit.

  • How can you decide if pathology is right for you?

  • If you enjoy solving puzzles, pathology gives you the opportunity to be a medical detective

  • and use a variety of tools, tests, and stains to work through complex diagnoses.

  • You should be the type of person who doesn’t chase glory and instead derives your satisfaction

  • from helping patients receive a correct and definitive diagnosis.

  • You should also be the type of person that is not easily grossed out as a big part of

  • pathology residency involves processing specimens from OR, performing autopsies, and exposing

  • yourself to the full spectrum of bodily fluids.

  • If you have a weak stomach, you probably won’t enjoy this field.

  • If you have broad interests, pathology also offers a variety of different career opportunities.

  • As a forensic pathologist, you will spend most of your time doing autopsies and death

  • certificates.

  • As a cytopathologist, you will be interacting with patients, doing FNAs, and examining fluid

  • specimens.

  • As a surgical pathologist, you will be working closely with the surgeon to ensure clear margins

  • and help determine the appropriate treatment plan.

  • Depending on which subspecialty you pursue, your day-to-day responsibilities can vary

  • significantly.

  • And if you prioritize work-life balance, the lifestyle of a pathologist won’t make you

  • choose between family and work.

  • Huge shout out to Pathologist Dr. Cindy Wang for helping me with this video.

  • Check out her channel, H&E Life, where she guides premeds and medical students interested

  • in pursuing pathology.

  • Link in the description.

  • Are you hoping to become a pathologist?

  • To get into medical school and match into pathology residency, youll need to score

  • well on your exams and have a killer application.

  • As you look for experts to work with, seek out those who are actual MD physicians.

  • Be wary of PhDs that mislead you into thinking that they went to medical school.

  • But even then, not all MDs are equally qualified.

  • Look for those who didn’t just earn their MD, but crushed their MCAT and USMLE, gained

  • multiple top medical school acceptances, matched into competitive residencies, and even had

  • medical schools fighting over them by throwing merit-based scholarships to sway their decision.

  • Only the top performers can best show you how to most effectively improve your own performance.

  • At Med School Insiders, weve been empowering a generation of happier, healthier, and more

  • effective doctors since 2016.

  • And as a younger company led by an optimization-obsessed MD, yours truly, we do things quite differently

  • than the rest of the industry.

  • By recruiting the top talent and pioneering a systems-focused approach to our services,

  • weve become the fastest-growing company in the space with industry-leading customer

  • satisfaction.

  • Learn more at MedSchoolInsiders.com.

  • Thank you all so much for watching!

  • If you enjoyed this video, check out our So You Want to Be a Radiologist video, or another

  • specialty on our So You Want to Be playlist.

  • And go show Dr. Wang some love.

  • Much love, see you guys in that next one.

So you want to be a pathologist.

Subtitles and vocabulary

Click the word to look it up Click the word to find further inforamtion about it