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  • Hello. This is 6 Minute English from BBC Learning English

  • I’m Neil. And I’m Sam - still working from home

  • as you can hear. But for many

  • the return to the office has begun.

  • And to make things safe

  • new thermal cameras are being installed in some workplaces

  • They measure body temperature to screen for coronavirus.

  • After weeks of working at home the return to the office is slowly 

  • getting underway in a number of countries.

  • But workplaces are having to change in this coronavirus era

  • Lots of companies are rushing to install technology to 

  • make offices and workplaces safer. Sensors that monitor our movements

  • smartphone apps that alert us if we get too close to workmates 

  • and even devices that take our temperature could all 

  • become the new normalthat's a phrase we hear 

  • a lot these days, meaning a previously unfamiliar 

  • situation that has become usual and expected.

  • In this programme, well take a look at how this 

  • technology works and ask if it really is the answer 

  • were looking for.

  • But first, today’s quiz question. The thermal cameras I mentioned 

  • screen for coronavirus by recording skin temperature 

  • in the area of the body which most closely resembles 

  • the internal body temperature - but which area is that? Is it:

  • a) the eye b) the ear, or 

  • c) the nose?

  • I’ll say a) the eye.

  • OK, Sam. Well find out later if you were right

  • Now, as employees slowly return to work, tech companies are busy finding ways for 

  • them to do so safely. One such company, ‘Microshare’, 

  • is managed by Charles Paumelle. He spoke to BBC World Service programme 

  • Tech Tent to explain a possible solution.

  • The technology that we are offering is using Bluetooth wristbands or 

  • tags that people are wearing within the workplace which detect 

  • proximity events. When the proximity event has been recorded, it's been 

  • saved by the company in case they need to, further down the line

  • retrace the steps of a certain person who has been declared as 

  • infected and inform anyone else they may have been in contact with.

  • One important way to control coronavirus involves contact tracing

  • This means that someone who tests positive for the disease informs everyone else 

  • theyve been in contact with. Microshare’s system for 

  • this uses Bluetooth - technology that allows computers

  • mobile phones and other devices to communicate with each other without 

  • being connected by wires.

  • Employees wear Bluetooth wristbands which register when workers 

  • come into close proximityhow near a person is to another person.

  • Anyone who has been close to a workmate will then know they have to take action 

  • if that person is found to have 

  • coronavirus later down the linein the future.

  • Wearing wristbands, monitoring data on smartphones 

  • and being recorded by camerasit all feels like quite a big 

  • invasion of privacy, doesn’t it?

  • It certainly does, and although some argue 

  • that such measures are necessary in these unprecedented times

  • others are worried about the possible consequences

  • Here’s human rights lawyer, Ravi Naik, with a warning:

  • From a human rights perspective, you have to try to ask

  • are you trying to use tech for tech’s sake is this actually going to facilitate 

  • an understanding of who is safe to go back to work or not

  • And if not, what’s the necessity 

  • of this because it’s such a significant interference with basic human rights

  • There has to be a high level of evidential justification to deploy 

  • this type of technology and I just don't think it's there.

  • Ravi questions whether these devices will actually help identify who can 

  • return to work, or whether the technology 

  • is being used for its own sakean expression meaning doing something 

  • because it is interesting and enjoyable, not because you need to.

  • Ravi’s work as a lawyer involves finding proof that 

  • something is right or wrong. If people’s human rights are being 

  • interfered with, he thinks there has to be evidential justification – 

  • explanation of the reasons why something is the right thing to do

  • based on evidence. Like the evidence from screening body temperature

  • which bring us back to today’s quiz 

  • question. Remember I asked you which part of the body is scanned 

  • by thermal cameras to measure body temperature.

  • And I said a) the eye.

  • And you were absolutely right! There’s a small area of the eye 

  • close to the tear ducts which is the most accurate part of the 

  • skin for measuring body temperature.

  • Well, there you go.

  • Weve been discussing how thermal cameras 

  • and other workplace devices being used to prevent coronavirus are becoming 

  • the new normal – a previously unfamiliar situation that is becoming normalised.

  • Some of these devices are wristbands with Bluetoothtechnology allowing 

  • computers and smartphones to communicate remotely without wires. They can 

  • identify work colleagues who have been in close proximityin other words

  • near to each other.

  • That will be helpful if one of them tests positive 

  • for coronavirus further down the lineat some point in the future.

  • The coronavirus pandemic has caused massive changes 

  • in workplaces around the world 

  • but some critics are concerned that contact tracing technology 

  • is being used for its own sake - because it is interesting and 

  • enjoyable to do, rather than being absolutely necessary.

  • And since much of the new tech invades personal privacy 

  • it should only be introduced with evidential justification – 

  • explanation of why it is the right thing to do, based on evidence.

  • Unfortunately, that’s all weve got time for

  • but remember to join us again. Bye for now!

  • Bye!

  • Hello. This is 6 Minute English from BBC Learning English

  • I’m Georgina.

  • And I’m Rob.

  • Rob, what’s the best job youve ever had?

  • Err well, this one, of course! It’s very creative

  • with lots of variety.

  • OK, any other reasons?

  • Well, yesit’s a permanent job - a staff job - with regular 

  • income and a pension.

  • Yes, these things can be important, but have you 

  • ever been freelanceby that I mean, working 

  • for yourself and selling 

  • your skills and services to different businesses?

  • Well, I worked as a paperboy oncedelivering newspapers

  • But not reallyit’s a risky way to earn an income.

  • It can be Rob. But many people choose to, or have to work as 

  • a freelancer to survive

  • And that’s what were talking about in this programme

  • But let’s start with a question for you, Rob.

  • OK.

  • This is about job titles back in the 19th Century

  • what kind of job was a drummer?

  • Were they… a)  someone who played the drums,

  • b) a travelling salesman 

  • or c) a music publicistwho drums up – 

  • meaning encourages, support for a band?

  • Well, it’s got to be 

  • someone who plays the drums - t hat’s my kind of job!

  • OK, Rob, well find out if that’s right at the 

  • end of the programme. But let’s talk more about 

  • work now. Long gone are the days of a job 

  • for life, where you spent your adult life working 

  • your way up the career ladder at the same company.

  • Yes, that’s right. We work in many different ways 

  • now because the needs of businesses change frequently and 

  • it needs to be agilechanging the size and type 

  • of work force in order to meet demand.

  • So, people need to adapt and some choose to work 

  • for themselves, offering their skills to different 

  • businesses as and when they are needed. But it can 

  • also be a lifestyle choice, as were about to find out.

  • Yes, some people have chosen to become self-employed – 

  • working for themselves - but also, because of the 

  • recent coronavirus pandemic, some people have been forced 

  • into this situation. Let’s hear from Carla Barker, who set up 

  • her own business after giving up her regular job

  • She told BBC Radio 4’s programme You and Yours how she felt

  • You know the idea of giving up a solid, permanent, full-time

  • paid, comfortable, role is a bit petrifyingIt is super-scary 

  • becauseyou then have that fear ofoh my goodness can we 

  • do this’? You also have things creeping in that say you know 

  • like self-sabotageare you good enough to do this

  • Are people going to want to take me on as a business?

  • So, Carla decided to go it alonean informal way of saying work 

  • for herself. She described giving up a full-time job as petrifying 

  • so frightening you can’t speak or move. She may have been 

  • exaggerating slightly but she also said it wassuper-scary’!

  • I guess working for yourself must be scary as youre 

  • solely responsible for your own success. It’s no surprise 

  • Carla had feelings of self-sabotagehaving doubts 

  • and fears that stopped her achieving something.

  • Luckily, she persisted and things went well. And many other people 

  • who have become self-employed or freelance have overcome the 

  • fear and discovered the benefits.

  • Like Fiona Thomas, who’s the author of a book calledDitch the 9 to

  • and be your Own Boss’. She also spoke to the BBC’s You and 

  • Yours programme and explained why she gave up the 9 to 5 – the regular

  • full-time staff joband how it helped her

  • A kind of combination of wanting 

  • some creative fulfilment from a job, compared to the job that I was 

  • in before, which was very much customer based and working face-to-face 

  • in hospitality. But I also wanted the flexibility to accommodate my mental 

  • health because I suffer from depression and anxiety and I found working in

  • rigid schedule and being in front of a lot of people all the time really 

  • exacerbated a lot of my symptoms. And I also wanted the financial freedom 

  • to be able to, over time, increase my income without just having to wait 

  • on being promoted or getting a pay rise in traditional employment.

  • So, working for herself gave Fiona a good feeling that she achieved something 

  • she wanted to doit gave her creative fulfilment. It also meant she 

  • could work more flexibly and that helped her with her mental health 

  • because she didn’t have to follow a fixed rota of tasks.

  • And it gave her financial freedommeaning the money she earned was 

  • not controlled by someone else

  • and she didn’t have to wait for someone else to give her

  • pay rise. Of course, that can be risky too.

  • Let’s get back to my quiz question now, Rob. Earlier I asked you 

  • if you knew what job a drummer used to do back in the 19th Century?

  • And obviously, a drummer plays the drums!

  • Well, you are sort of right but

  • drummer also used to be an informal way of describing 

  • a travelling salespersonbecause their job was to 

  • drum up business for a companymeaning they tried 

  • to increase sales.

  • Ahh very interesting, although I know which drummer

  • would rather be – a freelance drummer in a rock band!

  • And freelance is one of the words weve mentioned today

  • To freelance means to work for yourself, selling your 

  • skills or services to different businesses.

  • Becoming self-employed can be petrifyingfrightening, so you can’t speak 

  • or move. And starting out on your own can lead to self-sabotage – 

  • having doubts and fears that stop you achieving something.

  • But it can also give you fulfilment – a good feeling of achieving 

  • something for yourself.

  • And having financial freedom means 

  • being able to control how you earn and use your money.

  • That’s it for this programme. We have plenty more 6 Minute English 

  • programmes to enjoy on our website at bbclearningenglish.com

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  • Bye for now. Goodbye.

  • Hello. This is 6 Minute English. I'm Sam.

  • And I'm Rob.

  • Before you got your first job, Rob, did you do any work experience?

  • I think I may have done a day or two at some companies

  • just shadowing, watching how they did thingsbut nothing 

  • much more than that.

  • Some companies offer students or recent graduates what they call 

  • internships. These are extended periods of work experience where 

  • someone can be working full-time without an actual contract and 

  • in many cases without even being paid.

  • Ahyes. This is a bit of a problem, isn’t it? Some companies are being 

  • accused of using students and graduates as cheap or free labour.

  • Yes, although the counter argument is that internships are valuable experience 

  • for people who need it before they can get a ‘realjob. Well, well look 

  • at this topic a little more after this week’s quiz question. On the topic of 

  • business and companies, which is the oldest stock exchange in the world?

  • Is it: A: Bombay 

  • B: New York C: Amsterdam

  • What do you think, Rob?

  • Tricky, because I was expecting London on that list. I’m going to take a guess 

  • then at Amsterdam.

  • OK. Well, I will reveal the answer later in the programme. James Turner is the 

  • chief executive of an education charity. Recently he took part in a discussion on the 

  • BBC radio programme You and Yours, on the topic of internships. What does 

  • he think is a big issue with unpaid internships?

  • In many careers were now seeing that it’s almost as an expectation 

  • that a young person does an internship before they stand a chance of getting 

  • that first full-time job in that profession, and the issue with that 

  • from a sort of social mobility point 

  • of view is that a substantial proportion of those internships are unpaid and that 

  • effectively rules out those who can’t afford to work for free.

  • So what is the problem with unpaid internships, Rob?

  • Well, if you can’t afford to work for free, it makes it very difficult to 

  • do an internshipparticularly in expensive cities like London

  • This excludes, or rules out a lot 

  • of people from the benefits of an internship.

  • This is bad for social mobility, which is the ability of people to move 

  • to higher, better paid levels in society. So the poorer you are the more 

  • difficult it can be to get a good job, even if you have the ability.

  • Could you afford to work for free here in London, Sam?

  • No, I can barely afford to live in London as it is, so the idea 

  • of doing an unpaid internship would not appeal to me at all

  • Turner goes on to talk about other issues that are also 

  • problematic in internship programmes.

  • Too often internships are open to those with established connections 

  • in the professions and again that rules out those young people who 

  • don’t have the well-connected families 

  • or friends who can open those doors for them.

  • So what are these other issues? Rob In many cases he says that 

  • internship opportunities are only available to those with 

  • established connections to the company or industry. This means they have some 

  • pre-existing link with the 

  • company, for example, through family or friendsfamilies.

  • Yes, it’s a lot easier if your family is well-connected

  • if it has a lot of contacts and links to a particular company 

  • or important people in that company.

  • These links make it easier to open doors to the opportunity

  • To open doors is an expression that means to get access to.

  • So it seems that to be able to do an unpaid internships 

  • you need to have a fair bit of money and to get an internship 

  • in the first place you may need to have a previous link 

  • to the company through a family connection, for example.

  • So the system would seem to be difficult for poorer families and make it more 

  • difficult for students without those resources or connections 

  • to get on the job ladder. Here’s James Turner again.

  • Too often internships are open 

  • to those with established connections in the professions and again that rules 

  • out those young people who don’t have the well-connected families 

  • or friends who can open those doors for them.

  • Right, time now to answer this week’s question. which is the oldest 

  • stock exchange in the world? Is it

  • A: Bombay B: New York 

  • C: Amsterdam Rob, what did you say?

  • I went for Amsterdam.

  • Well done, that’s correct

  • Congratulations to everyone who go that right and 

  • xtra bonus points if you know the date. Rob?

  • Haven’t a clue! 1750?

  • Actually it’s a lot earlier, 1602.

  • Wow, that’s much earlier than I thought.

  • Right, let’s have a look again at today’s vocabulary. Weve been talking about 

  • internships which are periods of work at companies as a way for students 

  • or new graduates to get experience in a particular field.

  • If they are unpaid it can make social mobility very difficult

  • This is the movement from a lower social level to a higher one and 

  • it’s difficult as poorer candidates can’t afford to work for free.

  • Yes, the cost rules them out, it excludes them from the opportunity.

  • What helps is if you have established connections with a company

  • This refers to previous or pre-existing links with a company.

  • And also if your family is well-connected, if it has 

  • good connections

  • for example if your father plays golf with the CEO

  • it can open doors, or in other words

  • it can make it easier to get into the company.

  • So Sam, are you well-connected?

  • No, only to my smartphone!

  • Same herebut we still made 

  • it to BBC Learning English and you can find more from us online

  • on social media and on our app. But for now, that’s all 

  • from 6 Minute English. See you again soon. Bye bye!

  • Bye everyone!

  • Hello. This is 6 Minute English from BBC Learning English

  • I’m Neil. And I’m Georgina.

  • After working together at BBC Learning English for many 

  • years, Georgina, you and 

  • I have a good working relationship, don’t we?

  • Sure, I think we make a great team!

  • But have you ever had a boss who you just couldn’t work with?

  • Oh, you mean a bad bosssomeone you just can’t get on with

  • no matter how hard you try

  • Yes, I’ve had one or two over the yearsnot you of course, Neil!

  • I'm glad to hear it, Georgina! Often this happens because 

  • workers feel they aren’t listened to by managers

  • Or it might be because most 

  • companies are hierarchies - systems of organising people 

  • according to their level of importance.

  • Managers on top, workers down below.

  • But in this programme we hear from companies whove got rid 

  • of managers and say it has helped them do a better job

  • made them happier and saved money.

  • Well meet a self-managing company which isn’t hierarchical and has 

  • no boss. And of course well be learning some new vocabulary 

  • along the way.

  • But first, today’s quiz question. One of the biggest problems 

  • in hierarchies is the excess cost of management and 

  • bureaucracy. But how much is that estimated to cost the US economy 

  • every year? Is it:

  • a) 3 million dollars

  • b) 3 billion dollar, or c) 3 trillion dollars?

  • I’ll say c) 3 trillion dollarsthat’s one followed by  

  • twelve zeros - a lot of money!

  • OK, Georgina, well find out later if youre right. Now, one of 

  • the first companies to experiment successfully with self-management 

  • was Californian tomato grower Morning Star

  • Here’s one of their employees, Doug Kirkpatrick, talking to Dina 

  • Newman for the BBC World Service programme, People Fixing the World:

  • The first principle was that human beings should not use force or coercion 

  • against other human beings. And the second principle was that people should 

  • keep the commitments they make to each other and so we adopted 

  • them as pretty much the entire governance of the enterprise.

  • Because Morning Star has no bosses, decisions are made by all employees 

  • equally without coercionthe use of force to persuade 

  • someone to do something they do not want to do.

  • As self-managers, employees can’t tell other employees what to do

  • Everything is based on requesting someone to act and them responding.

  • This motivates and empowers workers but also means they must keep 

  • their commitments - promises or firm decisions to do something 

  • when requested.

  • This way of working is great for somethey feel 

  • listened to and have a voice in how the company is run.

  • But Dina questions whether this is true for everybody 

  • working at Morning Star:

  • Would it be true to say that a self-managed company like 

  • yours empowers people who are already very good and it 

  • leaves behind those who are not so good?

  • I’m not sure I accept the phraseleft behind’. There are some 

  • people who take full advantage of this environment; others 

  • take less advantage but they do benefit because 

  • their voice is respected, when they do propose something 

  • it must be listened to, they are not subject to 

  • force and coercion and if they don’t act according 

  • to their commitments they can be held accountable by anyone.

  • Having no bosses sounds great

  • but the extra responsibility can create more work and stress

  • Different workers respond to this in different ways 

  • and some employees may be left behind - remain at a lower level 

  • than others because they are not as quick to develop.

  • However other workers enjoy managing themselves and take 

  • full advantage of the system - make good use of the opportunity 

  • to improve and achieve their goals.

  • No matter whether employees are good self-managers or not

  • ultimately they are held accountable for their work 

  • performanceasked to accept responsibility for the 

  • consequences of their actions.

  • So, although having no boss sounds good, if things 

  • go wrong, there’s no-one to blame but yourself!

  • So maybe we do need those managers after allwhich 

  • reminds me of our quiz question.

  • You asked me to estimate how much the US economy loses 

  • in excess bureaucracy and managerial costs every year.

  • And you said?

  • c) 3 trillion dollars.

  • Which was absolutely right! Well done!

  • And the cost keeps rising because, of course, the more managers 

  • there are, the more managers you need to manage the managers!

  • Today weve been looking at the world of self-management

  • companies run without bosses, which, unlike most businesses

  • are not based on a hierarchysystem of organising people 

  • according to their level of importance.

  • Instead companies like San Francisco’s Morning Star allow employees to 

  • make their own commitmentspromises to act, rather than 

  • using coercionor forceful  

  • persuasionto get results.

  • Many employees react positively to this working environment 

  • and take full advantage of it - make good use of the 

  • opportunity to progress or achieve their goals.

  • However, there is a risk that others who are more comfortable 

  • being managed may get left behind - remain at a lower level than 

  • others because they are not as quick to improve and adapt.

  • But whatever their job role or feelings about self-management

  • all workers are held accountableasked to accept responsibility 

  • for their performance at work.

  • Meaning they take can the credit for when things go well

  • but have nobody to hide behind when things go badly!

  • That’s all from us today, but remember to join us again 

  • soon for more topical discussion and related vocabulary here at 

  • 6 Minute English, from BBC Learning English.

  • Bye for now.

  • Bye.

  • Hello. This is 6 Minute English with me, Neil.

  • And me, Sam.

  • Today, were talking rubbish.

  • Ooh, that’s a bit harsh – I thought it was 

  • going to be interesting.

  • I mean our topic is about rubbish, not that we are rubbish.

  • I see. Do go on.

  • Thank you. So the amount of waste 

  • we produce around the world is huge and it’s a growing problem.

  • But, there are some things that we can do, like recycling

  • Where I live, I can recycle a lot, and I’m always very careful 

  • to separate - to split my rubbish into paper

  • metal, food, plastic and so on.

  • But is that enough, even if we all do it? Well look

  • little more at this topic shortly, but first

  • as always, a question. Which country recycles 

  • the highest percentage of its waste? Is it:

  • A: Sweden B: Germany 

  • C: New Zealand

  • What do you think, Sam?

  • I’m not sure, but I think it could be 

  • Germany so I’m going to go with that - Germany.

  • OK. Well see if youre right a little bit later on

  • The BBC radio programme, Business Daily, recently 

  • tackled this topic. They spoke to Alexandre Lemille

  • an expert in this area. Does he think recycling 

  • is the answer? Let’s hear what he said.

  • Recycling is not the answer to waste from an efficient point of 

  • view because we are not able to get all the waste 

  • separated properly and therefore treated 

  • in the background. The main objective of our model 

  • is to hide waste so we don’t see as urban citizens

  • or rural citizens, we don’t see the waste

  • it is out of sight and therefore out of mind.

  • What’s his view of recycling?

  • I was a bit surprised, because he said recycling 

  • wasn’t the answer. One reason is that it’s 

  • not always possible to separate waste you can 

  • recycle from waste you can’t recycle, and that 

  • makes treating it very difficult. Treating means handling 

  • it and using different processes, so it can be used again.

  • And the result is a lot of waste, including 

  • waste that could be recycled but which is 

  • just hidden. And as long as we don’t see it

  • we don’t think about it.

  • And he uses a good phrase 

  • to describe thisout of sight, out of mind

  • And that’s true, at least for me

  • My rubbish and recycling is collected and I don’t really 

  • think about what happens to it after that. Is as 

  • much of it recycled as I think, or is it just buried

  • burned or even sent to other countries

  • It’s not in front of my house, so I don’t really 

  • think about itout of sight, out of mind.

  • Let’s listen again

  • Recycling is not the answer to waste from an efficient 

  • point of view because we are not able to get all the waste 

  • separated properly and therefore treated in the 

  • background. The main objective of our model is to hide waste 

  • so we don’t see as urban citizens

  • or rural citizens, we don’t see the waste, it is out of 

  • sight and therefore out of mind. One possible solution 

  • to this problem is to develop what is called a circular economy.

  • Here’s the presenter of Business Daily, Manuela Saragosa,  

  • explaining what that means.

  • The idea then at the core of a circular economic and business 

  • model is that a product, like say a washing machine 

  • or even a broom, can always be returned to the manufacturer 

  • to be reused or repaired before then sold on again. The point 

  • is the manufacturer retains responsibility for the 

  • lifecycle of the product it produces rather than 

  • the consumer assuming that responsibility when he or she buys it.

  • So it seems like a simple ideathough maybe very difficult to do.

  • Yes, the idea is that the company that makes a product

  • the manufacturer, is responsible for the product, not the 

  • person who bought it, the consumer.

  • So, if the product breaks or reaches the end of its 

  • useful life, its lifecycle, then the manufacturer has to 

  • take it back and fix, refurbish or have it recycled.

  • I guess this would make manufacturers try to make 

  • their products last longer!

  • It certainly would. Let’s listen again.

  • The idea then at the core of a circular economic and business 

  • model is that a product, like say a washing machine or even

  • broom, can always be returned to the manufacturer to be reused 

  • or repaired before then sold on again. The point is the 

  • manufacturer retains 

  • responsibility for the lifecycle of the product 

  • it produces rather than the consumer assuming 

  • that responsibility when he or she buys it.

  • That’s just about all 

  • we have time for in this programme. Before we recycle the vocabulary

  • Oh very good, Neil!

  • Before we - thank you, Sam - before we recycle the vocabulary

  • we need to get the answer to today’s question

  • Which country recycles the highest percentage of its 

  • waste? Is it

  • A: Sweden B: Germany 

  • C: New Zealand Sam, what did you say?

  • I think it’s Germany.

  • Well I would like to offer you congratulations because 

  • Germany is the correct answer. Now let’s go over the vocabulary.

  • Of course. To separate means to divide or split 

  • different things, for example

  • separate your plastic from your paper for recycling.

  • Treating is the word for dealing with, for example

  • recycled waste.

  • The phrase out of sight, out of mind, means ignoring 

  • something or a situation you can’t see.

  • A manufacturer is the person or company that makes something 

  • and the consumer is the person who buys that thing.

  • And the length of time 

  • you can expect a product to work for is known as its lifecycle.

  • Well the lifecycle of this programme 

  • is 6 minutes, and as we are there, or thereabouts

  • it’s time for us to head off. Thanks for your company and 

  • hope you can join us again soon. Until then, there is 

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