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  • Zoos have changed out of all recognition.

  • There are quite a lot of different species around the planet,

  • which we wouldn't have today if it wasn't for zoos.

  • What do you think an ideal zoo would look like?

  • Closed.

  • All through history, we've seen royal families,

  • powerful people, emperors, have collections of animals.

  • The king who was a good hunter was probably a good warrior,

  • probably protect his people.

  • Killing a lion or a bear was a big deal,

  • but bringing back a live one showed even more power.

  • Virtually all the history of zoos is about human control of nature.

  • And it was a way of showing off.

  • Queen Charlotte, her gift to everybody that she liked

  • was to give them a kangaroo.

  • And eventually we get the first modern zoo opening in London in 1828.

  • To be able to suddenly see a giraffe for the first time,

  • probably it was absolutely bonkers.

  • There wasn't really an appreciation of animals needing certain things

  • to have a good life.

  • So you would see them in barren boxes, effectively,

  • just as you would see a specimen in a natural history museum.

  • JON COE: The story was, here's an object

  • divorced from habitat, divorced from evolution.

  • His name is, by the way, knucklehead.

  • Knucklehead?!

  • Well, as a rule, tapirs are rather stupid and unintelligent.

  • Animals were thought of as basically automatons

  • just responding in a reflexive manner,

  • with no feelings of pain or any kind of emotional depth.

  • But that's really shifted.

  • Now there's much more of an understanding

  • that we really need to look at their own type of intelligence

  • and how they live in their world.

  • The schoolchildren that come here to the wildlife park,

  • all of them go away learning the messages that we know for sure

  • are going to make a true difference to the animals

  • back out into the wild.

  • The biggest threat to wildlife comes from people,

  • and most people live in cities.

  • So zoos are very important because they provide an educational opportunity

  • for people to learn about what the impacts of their daily activities are

  • in far away places.

  • JON COE: The zoo, by becoming a public attraction, if it's done properly,

  • it seems to me like a pretty good idea. The animals have a good life.

  • People enjoy it. They learn something.

  • Hopefully they get involved in conservation.

  • JON MINION: Pretty much all good zoos throughout the world

  • are participators, or they help to support and fund a whole host

  • of in-situ conservation programmes.

  • And if it wasn't for those programmes,

  • the world would be looking very different right now.

  • Zoo populations of animals are insurance populations.

  • Certain species,

  • due to what's going on on the planet at the moment,

  • the only way that we can stop them from going extinct

  • will be to bring them into captivity.

  • As we learn to adapt to things like climate change,

  • we are going to see an increasing role for zoos.

  • You can visit zoos all over the world that are just awful.

  • You know, they're as bad as they were in the 1920s.

  • ROBERT YOUNG: In the US they don't have very strict animal welfare laws.

  • People can have animals in their back garden and call it a zoo.

  • There are more pet tigers in the US than there are tigers in the wild.

  • The legislation doesn't permit that kind of thing here in the UK,

  • but you can get bad zoos anywhere.

  • Those are all signs that they're missing out on some important aspect

  • of how they live in the wild.

  • The complexity of providing a good life for some of these animals,

  • it's actually really, really difficult.

  • There is some evidence that people will know more facts

  • about a particular animal, for example,

  • but follow up studies to see if they've actually changed their behaviour

  • to benefit conservation,

  • there's not much evidence to suggest that is happening.

  • The official statistics show that 4% of revenue goes back into conservation.

  • I mean, that's minimal. That's very small.

  • And what do you find in zoos?

  • Big cats and elephants and zebra

  • and things that don't get released back into the wild.

  • So if you want to save the condor,

  • then you can have an in situ conservation programme

  • that's based in the country where they come from.

  • Most five year olds are experts in dinosaurs.

  • They've never met one or seen one.

  • The fascination's there,

  • and I think the same can be harnessed with animals.

  • There's many other technologies that are being developed these days,

  • like awesome CGI, awesome robotics.

  • I think the future holds something really cool

  • in the sense of learning about animals

  • without the detriment of keeping them in captivity.

  • Virtual reality with wildlife encounters is really coming on.

  • Taking a virtual walk through a herd of elephants in the Serengeti,

  • I think, is going to be possible pretty soon.

  • Do you think zoos should exist?

  • It's kind of strange that we transport all of these animals

  • from far from home and keep them locked up

  • where you should see what nature has to offer on your doorstep.

  • Wildlife documentary, virtual reality -

  • none of these things have the same positive emotional impact that a zoo has.

  • 10% of the global population visit zoos every year.

  • People from all walks of life and all social classes.

  • So, I think, without zoos, we'd lose a massive opportunity

  • to keep people being interested in the wild environment.

  • How can we create a world where we don't need zoos?

  • What I'm hoping is that we can design super sustainable cities

  • so that you don't need to go to a place to see animals.

  • They're all around you.

Zoos have changed out of all recognition.

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