Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles Oh…wow. I'll be honest, I wasn't really expecting to reach this milestone so soon. Sorry this video is coming a little later than I actually hit 10,000 subscribers; I did make my preparations as early as possible but I evidently miscalculated when I would need it finished by. I suppose now, though, this can be a bit of a holiday treat! Thank you all, so much for helping me get this far. As something of a celebration, I'm going to be talking about a particular character that is at the center of much of my love for the series as a whole. It's going to be a bit of a long one, because of how much I have to say about it, both in canon and the realm of my mind. I don't think it's a secret that I adore Hollyleaf. She is my favorite character, not just in Warriors but across all media I've consumed, and my feelings about her have only grown as I've had more years to think about her in her canon portrayal, potential alternative routes for her journey to take, and more recently, how to go about changing her character and story slightly for Paws of Stars to make her everything I ever dreamed for her to be. Fair warning that this video will talk about the direction I think Hollyleaf's story was going in, the points that could have changed, and my interpretation of her character, and all of that will very much be spoilers for what has already been released for Paws of Stars, albeit absent of context. If there was one thing that kept me unquestionably tied to and in love with the arcs I'm now rewriting in the decade leading up to Paws of Stars, it would be Hollyleaf, in the stories I saw for her, the lessons she taught me, and the impact she had on my life and view of myself. There's a reason I love her so much. Even when we first met her as a kit, Hollykit already had a strong personality. She was a stickler for the rules and pretty ambitious as well, wanting to be a medicine cat primarily because of how prominent and essential it would make her in the clan. Yet she also got into play fights with her brothers against her better judgment and followed them to find a fox cub, outside of camp, even when she knew it was explicitly going against orders from the warriors and warrior code. As an apprentice, she finds the job of a medicine cat to be much more difficult and herself to be more squeamish than she had expected, but she doesn't immediately give up, even as she finds little to no satisfaction or success in it. Her brute force method continues until Brook intervenes and explains, using an anecdote from the Tribe, that maybe she should follow her talents rather than work endlessly at something she both isn't good at and that doesn't bring her joy. She also reminds Hollypaw that respect and importance come from proving yourself as an individual, not by holding an important position. In canon, Hollypaw had also been exposed to fighting at this point and found it to be both exhilarating and something that she was naturally gifted in, which further pushed her into agreeing with Brook, but even in my version where she was trying to spend as much time in the medicine den as she could and was still failing, the idea of a life that might be easier and more fulfilling for her is enough to finally convince her to train as a warrior instead. However, in my version, this also comes with the promise that she'll still make herself important, as a warrior, an arbiter of the warrior code like she had been as a kit, and maybe even a mentor, deputy, and leader one day. Canon then sees her, the strictest code-follower we've seen yet, disobey the code and her leader to sneak onto Riverclan territory, talk to her friend Willowpaw, and find out what's wrong in Riverclan. From what we have seen so far, Hollypaw is someone who cares deeply about following the warrior code, but often breaks it herself if she can find some justification to. She wants to help others but finds fighting and critiquing others to be much easier. And, while she goes on quite a lot about wanting to do good and just help her clan as much as she can, what she consistently places value and passion in isn't selfless aid, but importance and glory. She doesn't just want to help, she wants to succeed and be looked on favorably for it. This isn't even something she wholly recognizes herself, which can lead to a lot of hypocritical behavior, such as her continuously berating Lionpaw for meeting Heatherpaw when she did something that is at least similar, though not identical, with Willowpaw herself. Now, some would say, even with some level of accuracy if we're referring to the canon material, that Hollypaw's portrayal so far has been and continues to be inconsistent, and a marker of the Erins' inability to grasp who she was yet; Vicky has openly admitted since that she only came to understand Hollyleaf around the time of Eclipe or Long Shadows, which was far too late to build up any foreshadowing or grounding in a character arc that could have used that murder as its midpoint. I wholly accept all of that, but it's also the very reason I was drawn to Hollypaw this early. Whether by accident or on purpose, Hollypaw has a series of different motives, some known to her and some not, that are causing her to act in contradictory ways, and that is wildly intriguing to me. The way I see it, Hollyleaf's core motive is being recognized, respected, or loved, and different influences in her life have taught her the ways in which that is achieved. Ferncloud & Dustpelt, who I believe could have both been larger parts in her life since Squirrelflight didn't spend as much time in the nursery, taught her that respect came from upholding the warrior code. Squirrelflight, Brambleclaw, and even Firestar showed her that heroism is what gets you respect, and they also gave her a nobel legacy to uphold, one she is choosing to take on rather than one being thrust on her…Nightheart. But clan culture itself also influences her. It tells her that some roles are simply more valued than others, like medicine cats and deputies, and that your value as a cat is in what you can give your clan. As a result of this, Hollypaw ends up with a lot of ambition. But where is it meant to be directed? She doesn't, at least yet, have a motive to be anything in particular other than important (much like Brambleclaw, actually) but she locks on to being a medicine cat primarily because it's the earliest way to make yourself different and important. Failing that, she finds she likes fighting. Is she good at fighting? Other cats say so. Well then she'll get as far as she can with fighting! She'll be the best warrior now and, again, in my version, the arbiter of the code. Rather than even necessarily wanting a position of power, like Brambleclaw, Hollypaw grasps tightly to what is unique about herself, which is why Brook's talk spoke to her so deeply, as it showed her a path to getting her recognized and loved. Her time as a medicine cat and refusal to give up even when she wasn't getting anywhere also demonstrated that she's very stubborn, something she probably picked up from both of her parents, which leads her to follow relentlessly down the path she is constructing for herself as soon as it is formed, both in actions and thoughts, and even when she's actively going against the code that is a part of that identity. Remember that the true goal is being recognized, so saving the clan from a fox cub, saving Riverclan, stopping a war between Riverclan and Windclan or, later, Thunderclan and Windclan, all of these take priority over the code because they would make her the hero if she succeeds. Now, you might simply not like this characterization as it stands, and find Hollypaw's behavior or effect on characters like Lionpaw to be grating, annoying, frustrating, or even mean. That's absolutely fine. Not every character is going to appeal to every person, but if you can get past her at this stage, you have the opportunity to see her grow. There is a very complex individual here if you piece her together and characters that have this level of contradictory motives and aimless, amoral drives have a strong potential to break and be repaired in a way that is not only interesting, but moving, as this is the sort of slip anyone could fall into, not just fantasy people who are “born evil” like Brokenstar. So now that we've settled the baseline of her characterization and potential, let's talk about her relationships. As I said in my ahem, *very* old video, Hollyleaf has more interpersonal relationships than either of her brothers, and is generally an active, outgoing, extroverted cat who seeks out interactions and relationships with others frequently. I believe this could easily tie back into her desire to be recognized, as the more people you're friends with, the more people are likely to notice and like you, but it also just feels good to be surrounded by others sometimes. Cinderheart and Willowshine are her only concrete friends, in canon, outside her family and even they faded in and out at different periods of her life. Hazeltail interacted with her extensively, but only for the duration of Sunrise, and most of her other connections, at least her positive ones, are brief. I obviously endeavored to give every cat in my rewrite a greater network of connections and more consistent interactions with those connections, but for Hollyleaf in particular, how she deals with her connections is often telling of her mental state. When she is at her best, she will actively seek out her friends to help and be praised by them, but if she is doing poorly, she draws away from them since, as I mentioned earlier, she places her value as a cat in her ability to give to her clan and live up to the legacies and expectations set up around her. This is why I not only solidified her existing friendships and the semi-parental relationship she had with Ferncloud, now Ferncloud and Dustpelt, but also gave her Thornclaw as a mentor rather than Brackenfur, because he is someone she could connect to much more deeply and whose relationship with her would have quite an interesting progression because of her medicine cat training, his harsh work ethic, and eventually, her murder of his best friend Ashfur. I discussed this decision and Thornclaw's own story with greater depth in his own dedicated video, but I will save further details for a later day. While I'm on the topic of relationships, I probably can't avoid talking about her relationship with Sol, but this is something I went into much more extensively in my video on the tom in question. At this point you might notice just how many of my videos and interests have been dancing around the topic of Hollyleaf all this time. Sol works as a perfect foil for Hollyleaf at multiple important stages of her journey as another powerless orator who seeks personal glory and validation while hurting others along the way. Her falling into actions that he would take or finally breaking from his chain and choosing to go against him work as a great symbols of her current progression and growth. But of course you can watch the Sol video if you want more details on that. Moving to another point then, over the years I've often heard that Hollyleaf's murder of Ashfur and actions at the gathering don't make sense because she killed Ashfur to keep the secret of her parentage but then told it herself. I think this misconception may have originated in the more animation-focused part of the community since, when you squish so much of Hollyleaf's story into one two to four minute period, it does look like a quick transition without the opportunity for details of the situation or motives based on them to have shifted. However, the reality is that an entire book, exactly a moon of time from one gathering to the next, passed between Ashfur's murder and Hollyleaf revealing their secret at the gathering, and even in canon, one very important piece of information was revealed in that time: who Hollyleaf's parents were. Ashfur only discovered that Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw weren't their birth parents. When Hollyleaf killed him, she was preventing a random, unnecessary scandal that would start rumors about Thunderclan's, and her, true character without any need. No one actually knew who their parents were. It could have been two other Thunderclan cats who just broke up and decided not to stay together; it could have been random cats outside the territories who left their kittens by the border. There were a number of possibilities that wouldn't ultimately be as bad, for Hollyleaf and her brothers at least, and that would still get their names tossed around among the other clans for no reason. That doesn't mean that she was *right* in killing him though, as I've seen other people say. If she, or anyone, had come to Firestar, Brambleclaw, Sandstorm, Dustpelt, anyone really about exactly what had happened with Ashfur in the fire, I highly doubt that most of those cats who know them so well and trusted them so deeply would condemn them, and as authority figures they would have a higher chance of giving Ashfur a proper punishment that didn't have to be and probably wouldn't have been death. Hollyleaf chose to kill him rather than go to others for help because she's stubborn, independent, and didn't want *anyone* to know Ashfur's secret, including her clan leader and friends. She killed him because it was the easy way out. But when they learned that her parents were actually a medicine cat and a cat from another clan, things changed. Her birth had actually broken both the medicine cat and warrior codes, which by her logic meant there was no way to ever be respected. If she was breaking the code by existing, then she couldn't claim to be a follower of the warrior code. If she was partly from Windclan, she couldn't claim to be a loyal warrior. If her heritage was really a disgraced medicine cat and a faraway father who disowned her, there was no heroic symbol she was meant to live up to. And of course…there's the thing about the prophecy. This really deserved its own section, because being “the one left out of the prophecy” might well be the most widely known identity Hollyleaf has. As far as canon is concerned, that wasn't decided until Eclipse or Long Shadows, the fourth or fifth books of her arc, so not being part of the prophecy wasn't a plot point that had much time to develop. It didn't impact her and in fact there is no scene in the series where Hollyleaf gets to find out that she doesn't have a power, something I also mentioned in my video on the powers of three. Even when she later returns, the focus is primarily on her being a murderer turned hero rather than anything to do with the prophecy. When I was given the opportunity to change her though, I obviously wanted to expand on this, firstly by making the prophecy known to Lionblaze and Hollyleaf much sooner, almost as soon as Jayfeather knew, and second by pushing Dovewing and Ivypool's birth and apprenticeship back so that Hollyleaf could be made aware of the actual third cat during her emotional spiral. In my version, though it was also terrifying, the revelations in the fire scene were partially a relief, because it meant that she hadn't failed to find her power; she and her brothers had never been the ones in the prophecy and it was they who were wrong. But when she finds out that their powers were real and it was only her left out of the prophecy, her self-worth is quickly chipped away. This compounded with the fact that several of her friends in my version were becoming mentors instead of her when that had been a drive of hers for many moons leaves her feeling quite hollow. She's not chosen by Starclan but a murderer who should be left out; she's not a prized warrior but one left behind and destined to never fulfil her dreams; she's not a follower of the code but one whose very birth breaks the code. So she shuts down, gives up, and decides that at the very least, she can't have any more secrets about this. Her stunt at the gathering was partially about trying to shift the blame, putting the focus back on Squirrelflight and Leafpool's fault in the situation rather than on her own. But her friend, Cinderheart, in both canon and my story, tells her that she was wrong and that no good could have come from this. So she tells herself it was all Leafpool's fault and confronts her mother, giving up even further as she openly takes on the mantle of murderer to threaten Leafpool. But Leafpool doesn't shy away or back down; she opens her heart and shows Hollyleaf that she is already suffering, and as Hollyleaf finally sees Leafpool as a victim rather than just a purpetrator, she is left bare, without anywhere to put her feelings, and runs away. There was a storm that night. She had already been in the tunnels when they flooded and knew how dangerous it was. Yet she ran into them anyway, even as her brothers called out and begged her to come back and talk. Obviously the books don't have her point of view at this part of the story and we don't know what she was thinking, but I have to wonder why she did that. Was she simply not thinking? Was it a mistake? But through Jayfeather's thoughts we know she was thinking about her murder of Ashfur in this moment. So maybe…it was intentional. Maybe she saw herself as someone who didn't need to be safe anymore. Maybe she was giving up. And that's why, in my version of the tale, as she lays dying in the bottom of the tunnels, she appears in the Dark Forest and is greeted by a cat who believes she is coming to join them. If Hollyleaf died in that moment, using my lore of the world, that's where she would have ended up, permanently. But one cat, a complete stranger, saved her from that. Now we move into Hollyleaf's Story, or at least that rough period. I have mixed feelings on this book that I will get into eventually when I cover it for Trip Through Time, but the basic framework is one I have a lot of fondness for. Fallen Leaves and Hollyleaf are both lonely, somewhat broken individuals at this point for different reasons. Neither of them have their families around and both of them at least feel trapped in these tunnels away from home. That's a solid foundation for a good relationship and opportunity for them to help each other, with Fallen Leaves giving Hollyleaf a companion to talk to that isn't connected to her past and with Hollyleaf giving Fallen Leaves some routine, company, and sense of direction that would help his seemingly-endless exile feel less like an unchanging slog. This *really* doesn't have to be a romantic relationship and honestly I don't think either of them were in a good place for romance even if Hollyleaf wasn't asexual and aromantic, but they could have been good for each other and shared an old friends dynamic by the end. This is also the period where Hollyleaf meets and takes care of a fox cub for a single night, someone she was elated to see again later until he attacked her. He didn't remember her because their meeting was so short and he had been so young, but it hurt Hollyleaf. Now, this part is entirely about personal bias and connection but I loved this, both as someone who is aromantic and still would like to raise a kid one day and in seeing what taking care of someone else did for Hollyleaf. She and Fallen Leaves were taking care of each other but the fox cub was someone she took care of on her own; he was helpless without her. For someone whose rises and falls have always been based around herself (is *she* good enough, what is *her* path supposed to be, when will *she* get her power, how is *her* reputation, why is *she* a bad cat) this level of caring about and being responsible for another without it having anything to do with her is actually a big step. I'm sure it was mostly done to fill time in the novella, but I can imagine it being the turning point to helping Hollyleaf reexamine her priorities at large and it makes sense that this is where she began helping Thunderclan from the shadows, because she realizes she cares about them independent of the love they could give her. But she does still think of herself as, ultimately, a worthless failure, and doesn't want to go back. Of course, when she decides to help Dovewing and Ivypool get out of the tunnels and Lionblaze finds her before she can hide again, that option is taken away. The cats who care about her, however ill-advised she considers that care to be, won't let her go now that they know she's alive, and Brambleclaw stepped in to lie on her behalf about her murder of Ashfur so few to no cats really mind having her back. More than that, the skills she developed in the tunnels help them to finally defeat not only Windclan, but Sol as well, so she is considered a hero. And then in the next book the Dark Forest battle arrives so she fights with some cats she has never formed a relationship with and dies heroically without ever making up for her actions in the Power of Three arc. Wahoo. Okay so I'll be totally honest, uh, this is the point where I'm going to abandon canon entirely because I do not like how her story was concluded. In general but especially for someone whose breakdown involved sharing a secret because she couldn't handle the lies her life was built on, I don't think letting Brambleclaw's lie stand was a good idea. This is why, in my version of the story, she stops right after the Sol battle when everyone is praising her and confesses to what actually happened with Ashfur, which is given real weight. She is punished, not just in camp duties or solitude, but by having her reputation with several figures she cares about tarnished, and she has to slowly work herself back up by fixing what she can and helping the three with their journey anyway, focusing on a higher cause as a way to keep going despite her personal goals having failed. She has to both atone on mass by working to save the clans and help Thunderclan and individually to the cats: family, friends, and other figures that she hurt. But she is capable of it. It will be a long and hard process, but not one she has to go through entirely on her own anymore, and I believe it is a redemption arc she deserves to take. We'll just have to see how that goes when I finish writing it. Regardless of anything else, I will likely always love Hollyleaf. Believe it or not I didn't even come close to discussing every thought I have on her in this video, least of all the ways in which she connects to me and the journey I took alongside her. But I believe I've shown, in part, the interesting aspects of her character and growth that lead me to hold her in such high regard. This video was definitely long, but it is a celebration after all, not just of Hollyleaf but of this channel, my story, and the opportunity all of you have given me to see this work through. As always, thank you, everyone, for watching, and always remember to look at yourself through the eyes of others. Be it too positive or too negative, relying only on your own perceptions can fog up the mirror to who you really are.
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