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  • AMNA NAWAZ: Good evening. I'm Amna Nawaz.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: And I'm Geoff Bennett.

  • On the "NewsHour" tonightOn the eve of the two-year  

  • anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine,  

  • we speak to a top State Department official and  a Ukrainian soldier about the state of the war.

  • YURA, Ukrainian: We have nothing to losebecause, like, if we will lose this war,  

  • we will lose, like, everything, our  freedom, our country, our lives.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: The boyfriend ofdual Russian-American citizen  

  • speaks out after she was arrested  in Russia on charges of treason.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: And with Nikki Haley struggling to  close the gap with former President Donald Trump,  

  • a look ahead to tomorrow's South  Carolina Republican primary.

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  • AMNA NAWAZ: Welcome to the "NewsHour."

  • The Biden administration today unveiled  a new set of sanctions against Russia to  

  • punish it further for the full-scale invasion  of Ukraine that began two years ago tomorrow.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: The sanctions are  also meant to target Russia for the  

  • death of anti-corruption activist  and politician Alexei Navalny. He  

  • died in an Arctic prison one week  ago from a cause still unknown.

  • Earlier today, I spoke with  U.S. Undersecretary of State  

  • for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland  about the state of the war two years on.

  • Victoria Nuland, welcome back to the "NewsHour."

  • VICTORIA NULAND, U.S. Undersecretary of State  For Political Affairs: Thank you, Geoff.  

  • Great to be with you.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: As the world prepares to mark the  second anniversary of Putin's Ukraine invasion,  

  • Ukraine's counteroffensive has  stalled. Ukraine lost a brutal,  

  • monthslong battle for AvdiivkaAdditional funding, as you well know,  

  • is stuck in the GOP-led House. And  Russia is showing no signs of quitting.

  • What is the outlook for Ukraine right now?

  • VICTORIA NULAND: Well, Geoff, you are not  wrong that these are tough days for Ukraine.

  • And, as you said, they have had to come  out of Avdiivka. When I was out there a  

  • couple of weeks ago, there were soldiers  on the front line with only 20 bullets a  

  • day to defend themselves. And this is why  the administration is pushing so hard for  

  • this additional $60 billion to support  Ukraine, because the Ukrainians need it  

  • if they're going to continue to defend  the line and push back the Russians.

  • But with this money, we actually think that  they can make some serious gains in 2024,  

  • particularly by enhancing some of the asymmetric  techniques that they have been using. But we need  

  • to support them, just as the Europeans have  just given them an additional $54 billion.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Well, so farHouse Speaker Mike Johnson has  

  • refused to bring up a Senate-passed  package, at least for a quick vote.

  • Is there a way for the administration  to get that much-needed aid to Ukraine,  

  • absent action from Congress?

  • VICTORIA NULAND: Geoff, I would  just start by reminding that this  

  • bill passed overwhelmingly in the  Senate; 70 senators supported it.

  • And they supported it because they understand  that, as much as this is about Ukraine's  

  • ability to survive as a democratic stateit is also about the larger principles of  

  • a free and open international order  that benefits the United States,  

  • and that, if we don't stand with Ukraine, if  Putin wins here, then dictators and tyrants  

  • all over the world will take note and will get  hungry with their own territorial aspirations.

  • So we need to pass this money, and the  American people broadly understand that.  

  • So we are hopeful that they will tell their  members when they're home during this recess  

  • how much they support this money, and  we are confident that it will pass.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: President Biden  today announced more than 500  

  • sanctions on Russia. This is the largest  tranche since the conflict started.

  • Is this a tacit admission that the  previous sanctions haven't worked,  

  • what with Russia's military industrial  complex up and running and seemingly  

  • drawing on limitless supplies and  support from its authoritarian allies?

  • VICTORIA NULAND: Well, let  me start with your premise,  

  • Geoff, that previous sanctions haven't worked.

  • Russia has become a pariah state around the world,  

  • thrown out of the international banking systemand now so desperate for weapons that it has to  

  • go to countries like Iran and North Korea  to get them. But those Russians are wily,  

  • and they have over the last six  months found ways to evade sanctions,  

  • but we have also got smarter about how to hurt  them, and that's why this package is so massive.

  • It looks at punishing sanctions evaders. It  looks at closing down further Russia's access  

  • to credit and finance. It also punishes for  the death of the leading opposition figure,  

  • Navalny, at the hands of  Putin and his prison guards,  

  • and it sanctions those involved in the  abduction of Ukrainian children into Russia.

  • So it is a massive packageand partly it's because we  

  • have got to staunch this evasion and  because we have far more targets now,  

  • as we understand better how to staunch  the Russian industrial complex.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Why should it, though, take  an event like the death of Alexei Navalny to  

  • prompt these types of sanctions? Couldn't  some of this have happened two years ago,  

  • at least to stop the flow of technology  into Russia's military industrial complex  

  • that goes into building the kinds  of missiles that kill Ukrainians?

  • VICTORIA NULAND: Geoff, we did sanction technology  

  • from around the world as -- two years  ago, just before and after the invasion.

  • What has happened is that Russia has  found ways to evade those sanctions,  

  • going to third markets or buying, for  example, a billion washing machines,  

  • and then taking out the computer chips  that we have denied them in other ways.

  • So, this is a tightening of those sanctions as  Russia adjusts, and we're confident that they're  

  • going to have a very profound impactBut the other thing that's happening,  

  • and this is quite worrying, is that Russia  has been willing to intensify its economic and  

  • security relationship with China, in factbecoming increasingly dependent on China.

  • And that is how it is fueling its war machineIt's also been willing to put the vast majority  

  • of its own economic stimulus into the war  effort, so it is starving Russia and Russians  

  • of investment in education in their own futureall in service of Putin's imperial ambitions.

  • So, what we are having to do is adjust as well.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: As we wrap up our conversation,  

  • you said you're confident that the aid  package will ultimately pass Congress.

  • There is this question, though, of  what good would additional aid do,  

  • especially among those who view this as  a war of attrition and point to the slow  

  • progress of Ukraine's counteroffensive. If  the U.S. continues to provide Ukraine the  

  • same sorts of weapons, why wouldn't  that lead to a further stalemate?

  • VICTORIA NULAND: First of all, this aid is  going to allow Ukraine to do four things.

  • It's going to allow them to continue  to fight. It's going to allow them to  

  • build a highly deterrent military of the future,  

  • so that they will increasingly be able to stand  on their own feet in security terms. It's going  

  • to help them recover and get more of their  own people home and rebuild their tax base,  

  • so that we have -- there's less economic support  that they need from the rest of the world.

  • And it's also going to help them reform and  become a more European, democratic country.  

  • With this money on the battlefield, first  and foremost, it will ensure Ukraine can  

  • hold the line. But, as I said, they're getting  increasingly proficient at asymmetric weapons.

  • And I expect, as I said in Kyiv a couple of  weeks ago when I was there, that if we can  

  • provide this support, Putin's going to get some  very nasty surprises on the battlefield in 2024,  

  • in addition to Ukraine being able to  really rebuild a 21st century military.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Victoria Nuland is  the undersecretary of state for  

  • political affairs at the U.S. State Department.

  • Thank you for your time and  for your insights this evening.

  • VICTORIA NULAND: Thank you, Geoff.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: In the day's other headlinesSenate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer made  

  • a surprise visit to Ukraine to reaffirm  America's support for the war effort.

  • The trip came as a $60 billion bipartisan aid  bill for Ukraine remains stalled in the House  

  • after passing in the Senate. Schumer  was joined by four other Democratic  

  • senators. They met with President Volodymyr  Zelenskyy and U.S. Embassy staff in Lviv.

  • In the Middle East, Palestinian leaders are  rejecting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin  

  • Netanyahu's proposed postwar plan  for Gaza. Presented late yesterday,  

  • it seeks open-ended control over security  and civilian affairs in the Strip.

  • In the meantime, officials in Gaza say IDF  airstrikes have killed at least 100 Palestinians  

  • since yesterday. A survivor described  one horrifying overnight attack in Rafah.

  • NOUR HAMAD, Gaza Strip Resident (through  translator): We were sleeping. We woke up to the  

  • sound of the bombardment. We rushed to find the  remains of people scattered in the streets, smoke  

  • and gunpowder. It was terrifying. The homes shookWe stayed at the hospital until the morning.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Meanwhile, U.S. Secretary  of State Antony Blinken condemned the  

  • expansion of Israeli settlements  within Palestinian territories.

  • His comments marked a return tostance the U.S. has held for decades,  

  • but had shifted under the Trump administration.

  • ANTONY BLINKEN, U.S. Secretary of StateNew settlements are counterproductive to  

  • reaching an enduring peace. They're  also inconsistent with international  

  • law. Our administration maintains a firm  opposition to settlement expansion. And,  

  • in our judgment, this only weakensdoesn't strengthen, Israel's security.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Also today, the U.S. military  said they destroyed several Houthi attack  

  • drones and anti-ship cruise missiles in the  Red Sea and Yemen. They say they posed an  

  • imminent threat to commercial  vessels and U.S. naval ships.

  • Back in this country, Alabama Governor Kay  Ivey says she will support legislation to  

  • protect in vitro fertilization treatment in the  wake of her state's controversial Supreme Court  

  • ruling. Last week's decision maintained  that frozen embryos could be considered  

  • children under state law. Several clinics  have since paused their treatments. The  

  • state's attorney general also said he doesn't  intend to prosecute IVF providers or families.

  • A jury in New York has found that the  National Rifle Association mismanaged  

  • its finances and engaged in lavish spendingIt also said that the group's former leader  

  • Wayne LaPierre violated his duties  and cost the NRA more than $5 million.

  • A new report from the U.N.'s Human  Rights Office is warning that sexual  

  • violence committed during the ongoing  conflict in Sudan may amount to war  

  • crimes. It cites at least 118 cases of  rape or other forms of sexual violence  

  • over an eight-month period. The U.N. says  at least 19 of the victims were children.  

  • The turmoil began last April when clashes  broke out between rival forces in Khartoum.

  • The U.S. and South Korea staged a show of joint  military strength today over the Korean Peninsula.  

  • It was an apparent response to North Korea's spate  of weapons tests. Advanced F-35A fighter jets,  

  • many deployed by the U.S., maneuvered through  the sky for missile interception drills. The  

  • North has launched six rounds of  missile tests so far this year.

  • In Kenya, a state funeral was held today for world  marathon record holder Kelvin Kiptum. Hundreds of  

  • mourners turned out for the 24-year-old's  burial near his hometown, including Kenyan  

  • President William Ruto. Kiptum died in a car crash  earlier this month. He broke the world marathon  

  • record last October at the Chicago Marathonrunning it in just two hours and 35 seconds.

  • And trading was light on Wall Street today. The  Dow Jones industrial average gained 62 points  

  • to close at 39131, a new record. The Nasdaq  fell 45 points, and the S&P 500 added two.

  • Still to come on the "NewsHour":  

  • a look at the dangers of parents promoting  their children's content on social media;  

  • the Biden campaign works to regain the  support of disillusioned Democratic voters;  

  • David Brooks and Jonathan Capehart weigh in on  the week's political headlines; plus much more.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Ukraine finds itself in  a bloody stalemate on the frozen plains  

  • of the country's east and south now two  years into Russia's full-scale invasion.

  • Russian and Ukrainian forces have taken  immense losses throughout the war,  

  • and now there are calls in Kyiv  for a mass mobilization. But many  

  • people are answering their own calls  to protect their nation and joining up.

  • Nick Schifrin and filmmaker Amanda Bailly  in Kyiv introduce us to one of them.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: On the stage of war, one  man plays many parts. And on the streets  

  • of Ukraine's capital, Yura is recasting himself.

  • YURA, Ukrainian: At some point, you're  accepting your fate, and you just believe,  

  • so, like, if you should live, you  will live. If not, you will die.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: Before the full-scale invasionthe 28-year-old, who asked us to withhold his  

  • last name, was a snowboard instructor, a  tour guide, an I.T. specialist, a model.

  • But after the invasion, he swapped the  suit vest for one that stops bullets. He  

  • translated for and drove a Human Rights Watch  team into and through the horrors of war to  

  • document Russia's crimes. War forever  transforms its victims and witnesses.

  • YURA: When we came to Bucha, I can  remember definitely the smell of  

  • rotten bodies. It was like -- like a horror movie.

  • And I remember the screams of mothers  who were recognizing their children.  

  • And it was something that you cannot forget.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: Nothing about this war  will be forgotten. In the center of Kyiv,  

  • the carcasses of Russian armor are  rusting witnesses to Ukrainian courage.

  • YURA: All them burned down  is because somebody just,  

  • like, in the distance of 100 or 200 meters had  enough bravery and skill to shoot the rocket.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: Yura says he now needs  to find his own bravery. He's tried  

  • to help the war effort in other waysBut Russia now has military momentum.

  • And Yura says too many of his friends are fighting  the war outmanned and increasingly outgunned.

  • YURA: A lot of them are already two years  in this hell. Despite the fact maybe that I  

  • don't really feeling like I'm the warrior,  I need to start training and enlisting.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: In January,  

  • he started basic training. It was  the first time he'd ever held a gun.

  • YURA: I never expected that at some point  of my life I would know how to clean a gun,  

  • how to shoot a gun. And, actually, I don't know --  now like to know this if there wouldn't be a war.

  • But I want to protect my country.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: The country needs himUkraine's army is struggling to find  

  • new recruits. Some 15,000 have paid to leave  the country illegally. New legislation would  

  • mobilize some 400,000 more men. Russia has  more than that deployed inside Ukraine.

  • YURA: From our side, like, they're  the best people of our country,  

  • and from their side is criminals, is people with  no future. And we are losing our best people.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: Sometimes, you can forget that  at night in Kyiv. The city's bars are dark  

  • and filled with dark humor that, for Yura's  friend, Slava, is an escape from the pain.

  • SLAVA, Friend of Yura: That's a big chance  that he's probably going to die. So, at least  

  • I hope he will give me his car or something  that he have at home before he going to die.

  • (LAUGHTER)

  • SLAVA: Yes. But, actually, if we talk  seriously, I'm just -- I'm just tired  

  • of losing my friends and family. So  that's my main thought about this.

  • I don't think that I can say  anything more about this.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: Loss is a terror that his mother,  

  • Natalya, hopes to never know. Her husband was  drafted. It's hard to bear her son's choice.

  • NATALYA, Mother of Yura (through translator):  When Yura told me he was going to,  

  • it was very hard for me to accept itbecause I understand that anything could  

  • happen there. Every mother probably  feels it when she sends her children.

  • It is scary to send your husband, but there's  nothing worse than to send your child.

  • QUESTION: Are you afraid?

  • YURA: Yes. Yes. Like, it's normal to be afraidAnd I'm afraid that I could die. I could became,  

  • like, with -- like, became disabled. It's  still better than be under occupation.

  • A lot of guys younger than me, and, like, just  giving me goose bumps about that I'm still living.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: Before he leaves this  all for the front, he visits the wall  

  • of heroes and the faces of thousands  of Ukrainians killed fighting Russia.

  • YURA: Like 23 years old. Look  at this. He's 20 years old, 24.

  • We do not afraid anymore, because it's  kind of, we have nothing to lose, because,  

  • like, if we will lose this war, we will lose  everything, our freedom, our country, our lives.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: For Yura, that  means there is no longer fear,  

  • only reverence for those whose  sacrifice preceded his own.

  • For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Nick Schifrin.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: A Russian-American dual citizen  who's been living and working in Los Angeles  

  • has been detained in Russia, accused of  treason and of fund-raising for Ukraine;  

  • 33-year-old Ksenia Karelina was in Russia  visiting her family when she was arrested.

  • And now her boyfriend is pleading for help.

  • And Chris van Heerden joins us now.

  • Thank you for being with us.

  • And, Chris, first tell us about Ksenia. What  do you want the world to know about her?

  • CHRIS VAN HEERDEN, Boyfriend of Ksenia  Karelina: That she's a normal person,  

  • that she's kind, loving, funnyloved by all her friends.

  • Everyone who meets wants more of Ksenia. She is  -- she's -- she's the light that walks into the  

  • room. Everyone wants her attention. She's happyShe has so much life in her. That's Ksenia.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Why did she decide  to travel to Russia? And was she  

  • at all concerned that something this might happen,  

  • given Moscow's practice of detaining  foreign citizens and Russian dual citizens?

  • CHRIS VAN HEERDEN: The reason -- the reason was,  

  • she wanted to go see her familyespecially the grandparents. She  

  • hasn't been home since pre-COVID. And  she really -- she was -- she told me.

  • She said: "I'm afraid I might lose  my grandparents. They're very old,  

  • and I want to go see them."

  • She was not concerned at all, not  at all, not even a little bit. I  

  • was. And I made it clear to her. I said:  "I don't think it's a good idea to go."

  • But she convinced me that no. I mean, she's  Russian, and there's no bombs dropping in  

  • Russia. "Like, I'm safe." And she told me that  Yekaterinburg is so far in the middle of nowhere  

  • that she has nothing to worry about. And she  honestly had -- she didn't look she like had fear.

  • And -- but then again, she doesn't watch the news.  

  • I know she doesn't follow the news. Sodon't think she knew what she was doing.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: At first, as I understand  it, her detention was brief. Russian  

  • authorities took her cell phone, and then  they released her. And then what happened?

  • CHRIS VAN HEERDEN: Then she went homeAnd she was home for three weeks.

  • And two days before the 27th, January 27, whenreally spoke to her again like every other day,  

  • I said: "What's happening? Like, you're  flying in two days to come back to me?"

  • And she said: "Oh, baby. It's all overLike, they phoned me and said I can come  

  • and pick up my phone in an hour. I just  need to go and sign some stuff." And she  

  • honestly was -- she seemed so relieved  that she can finally just breathe.

  • And that was the last I spoke to  her. I haven't heard from her then.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: She now faces up to  20 years in a Russian prison for the  

  • alleged crime of donating $50 to  a charity that supports Ukraine.

  • When you think about that potential  sentence, what goes through your mind?

  • CHRIS VAN HEERDEN: I am  trying not to think about it.

  • But knowing Ksenia, knowing how  much life she has, she has -- and  

  • knowing how she lives her day-to-day, I can  honestly not imagine. I cannot believe it.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: I'm sure you have  seen this video released by the  

  • FSB purportedly showing Ksenia being led  blindfolded and having cuffs put on her.

  • What do you know about her well-being right now?

  • CHRIS VAN HEERDEN: She wrote meletter two days ago. She wrote me a  

  • letter. I received a letter from her two days ago.

  • She's safe. She's locked up with two womenand kind people, she says. But that's what  

  • she say about everyone. She was a little  sick, apparently. And she had a bad cough,  

  • but that cough is going away. One moment, she's  in good spirits and she believes she will come  

  • out and see me soon, and, one moment, she tells  herself that she might be in there for life.

  • I just know she's safe. She told me: "I'm safe."

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Have you or her family  heard anything from U.S. officials?

  • CHRIS VAN HEERDEN: I spoke  to the U.S. State Department.

  • No one can tell me anything, because it's  confidential. And they need to get letters  

  • to Ksenia to sign in order for them to speak to  me. And they said they will do that. And I asked,  

  • when? And they had no answer for meThat's all -- that's all they said to me.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Well, Chris van  Heerden, we certainly wish the  

  • best for Ksenia and for you and her  family. Thank you for being with us.

  • CHRIS VAN HEERDEN: Thank you so much.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: A new investigation looks  at the disturbing world of so-called  

  • kidfluencers and the moms who run their accounts.

  • One in three preteens say being  an influencer is a career goal,  

  • but the reality poses serious  risks to underage girls.

  • Stephanie Sy looks at those concerns.

  • STEPHANIE SY: Instagram doesn't allow  children younger than 13 to have their  

  • own accounts. So what we're seeing is parents of  kidfluencers set up and manage these accounts.

  • Posting content of girls can be  lucrative. Instagram makes it  

  • possible to have paid monthly subscribersAnd kids' apparel brands will pay thousands  

  • of dollars for a single post of a kid  modeling, say, their dance leotards.

  • But what might seem innocent photos to a mom  may read differently to a man or a pedophile.

  • New York Times reporter Michael  Keller analyzed data from 5,000  

  • of these mom-run accounts as part of a New  York Times investigation, and joins me now.

  • Michael, thank you for being here.

  • I mean, the headline of your  report really sums up the risk:  

  • "A Marketplace of Girl Influencers  Managed by Moms and Stalked by Men."

  • What did you find about how prolific these  accounts are and why so many moms are into this?

  • MICHAEL KELLER, The New York  Times: My colleague Jennifer  

  • Valentino-DeVries and I wanted to look  into this world of child influencers.

  • And, as you said, they often are too  young to have accounts of their own,  

  • and so they're run by their parentsThey got into them for a variety of  

  • reasons. There was a range from dancers  and gymnasts who wanted to get free or  

  • discounted leotards in exchange  for photos modeling the apparel.

  • A lot of parents said that social  media was the way they could assure  

  • a good digital resume for their  child's future and maybe even  

  • help pay for college or gain opportunities  working with sought-after choreographers.

  • On the more extreme end, your aspiring  models, some had their own subscriptions,  

  • both on Instagram, where they would charge  up to $20 a month for more photos or chat  

  • sessions with the child, or on other platformswhere the monthly cost went as high as $250.

  • STEPHANIE SY: So your report also found  that a lot of the followers of these  

  • accounts are men. Are they driving these  accounts' popularity and their profits?

  • MICHAEL KELLER: So we did an analysis  looking at the follower size of these  

  • accounts and the percentage of men in that  audience and did find a correlation that,  

  • as the audiences got largerthere were more men in them.

  • Now, some parents and pretty much all  the parents we spoke to said that men  

  • following them and posting inappropriately  was a really big problem. Some of them  

  • said that the first thing they did  when they woke up in the morning was  

  • block followers and the last thing they did  before they went to bed was block followers.

  • They often post inappropriate or even proposition  the girls in the comments below the photos. They  

  • do block them, as I said, but a lot of them ran  into issues where, if they blocked too many,  

  • Instagram would start limiting their ability to  either follow new accounts or to block even more.

  • One parent said: "I can't believe this. I  

  • have reached my limit for the  day of blocking creepy men."

  • STEPHANIE SY: Michael, I just want to show our  viewers an example of what you're talking about.

  • The New York Times in your investigation  doesn't show the actual post, but you  

  • describe what the post showed, a 9-year-old  in a golden bikini lounging on a towel. And  

  • then you show the comments section  full of sexually suggestive remarks.

  • But, Michael, it doesn't stop at the comments  in every case. You describe a world in which  

  • the girls are sucked in to the sort of  Internet underworld of sexual predation.

  • MICHAEL KELLER: Right.

  • And that was what was truly disturbing in what  we found. Beyond the suggestive or predatory  

  • comments, some parents actually received threats  from some of the (AUDIO GAP) online. They would  

  • reach out and accuse them of exploiting  their child and threatening to contact  

  • their school or their family and friends and  seemingly expose them, because it is worth  

  • noting that in -- photos of children in dance  conventions are normal within that context.

  • But within the context of the  Internet, people bring to them  

  • in some cases their own skewed points of  view. And so these men were trying to,  

  • seemingly with threats of blackmail, cause  a lot of actual harm to the families.

  • STEPHANIE SY: So, it occurs to meMichael, that this is not just an  

  • investigation into risks that girls are  taking online, but a story about parents  

  • who are making the decision to put their girls  at potential risk of ogling, at the very least.

  • What is the biggest takeaway for moms who  

  • are thinking of letting their  daughters become influencers?

  • MICHAEL KELLER: So, as we saidInstagram does allow parents to  

  • run these accounts for themeven when they're below 13.

  • But what we found was that it is  very hard to do so in a safe way,  

  • and that it may take hours every day of  blocking creepy or possibly predatory men  

  • from interacting with the account. And the  real-life threats that this could lead to,  

  • maybe -- we heard stories of strange packages  showing up at people's doors, and could go from  

  • the online world into real life and affect your  family, was a really strong takeaway for me.

  • STEPHANIE SY: Michael Keller with The New York  Times, thank you for joining the "NewsHour."

  • MICHAEL KELLER: Thank you so much.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Tomorrow, South Carolinians head to  the polls in that state's Republican primary race.

  • South Carolina is often seen as a bellwetherwith its first-in-the-South contest. And Nikki  

  • Haley has spent more money and time on the ground  in her home state than former President Trump.

  • But, as Lisa Desjardins reports,  

  • it's Mr. Trump that seems to maintain  a strong hold on the electorate there.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: On her home turf this week,  

  • former Governor Nikki Haley said she's  America's last chance at normalcy...

  • NIKKI HALEY (R), Presidential Candidate: No drama,  

  • no vendettas, just results and getting  work done for the American people.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: ... and the only candidate  that can beat President Joe Biden.

  • NIKKI HALEY: As much as we want  to turn our country around,  

  • we can't do that if we don't win. And  Donald Trump can't win a general election.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: In Sumter, a Central South  Carolina city known for its nearby Air Force base,  

  • Haley's words resonated with Vietnam  and Gulf War veteran Fred Parent.

  • FRED PARENT, Nikki Haley Supporter: Trump's  about himself. And that's not the way a public  

  • worker should be. It should be about the whole  country. And he is a worker. He works for us.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: And with  longtime Republican Tina Martinez.

  • TINA MARTINEZ, Nikki Haley SupporterThe country is in a place where we need  

  • stability. We need a little bit of a sure  thing. The American dream is kind of pretty  

  • much on life support. I didn't think I'd ever  be voting for a woman for president. I want  

  • her to see that it's possible for herespecially as a minority woman as well.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: But Haley trails  Trump here by a chasm of 30 points,  

  • on average, with Trump routinely  polling at 60 percent and higher.

  • DONALD TRUMP, Former President of the  United States (R) and Current U.S.  

  • Presidential Candidate: You're not supposed  to lose your home state. It shouldn't happen  

  • anyway. And she's losing it bigly, big. I  mean, really -- I said bigly. And bigly...

  • (LAUGHTER)

  • LISA DESJARDINS: A lot is at stake for  Haley in this first-in-the-South primary.

  • GIBBS KNOTTS, College of CharlestonOne reason it's a good predictor is  

  • because of the Super Tuesday primaries that come  

  • pretty quickly afterwards. And a lot  of those primaries are in the South.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Gibbs Knotts isprofessor of political science at  

  • the College of Charleston. He says  South Carolina is a bellwether,  

  • known for having voted for the party's eventual  nominee nearly every time for the past 40 years.

  • GIBBS KNOTTS: It's not necessarily  that South Carolina has just gotten  

  • really lucky. We think it's actually because  South Carolina is a pretty good predictor,  

  • based on the representativeness  of the Republican voter here.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: But, earlier this  week, Haley said she's not quitting.

  • NIKKI HALEY: When the country's future is on  the line, you don't drop out. You keep fighting.  

  • South Carolina will vote on Saturday. But, on  Sunday, I will still be running for president.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Still, the independent  voters that pulled Haley closer to Trump,  

  • particularly in New Hampshire, are  few and far between in South Carolina,  

  • with the most conservative electorate yet.

  • Northwest, in the state's foothillsPastor Todd Black says he doesn't  

  • tell his congregation how to vote, but they  already agree on the candidate and issues.

  • REV. TODD BLACK, Pastor, Turning Point Free  Will Baptist Church: How many of you are tired  

  • of going to the grocery store spending $100 and  lucky to come out with two little bags, right?

  • MAN: Yes.

  • WOMAN: Amen.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Black says he  supports Trump because the former  

  • president's policies on social issues  like abortion and religious freedom  

  • more closely align with his, even  if Trump himself isn't perfect.

  • REV. TODD BLACK: If he says he isChristian, that's all I can go by.  

  • But let me say this. We're not electing a pastorWe're electing the president of the United States.

  • And the more that they come at him with  all of this stuff, when people see that,  

  • they're saying, you know what? If they're trying  

  • to take him down like this and take away  his rights, then they may come after me.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Trump supporter Brian  Winebrenner is in church leadership,  

  • and he's proud of his day job at  the local BMW manufacturing plant.

  • BRIAN WINEBRENNER, Donald Trump  Supporter: We build cars for the  

  • whole world. I like the fact that we build  in America. And I like his stance on,  

  • if you want to come to our country as  a person, then you do it the right way.

  • GOV. HENRY MCMASTER (R-SC): New Hampshire  is for Trump. South Carolina is too.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: And it's Trump that gained the  

  • endorsement of nearly all of the top  South Carolina elected Republicans,  

  • including Governor Henry McMaster and state  Senators Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott.

  • And Knotts says Haley angered some power players  

  • in the Statehouse during her six  years as South Carolina governor.

  • GIBBS KNOTTS: She really fought  against the good old boy network,  

  • and one of the things she did was made sure that  people had to -- you couldn't just voice-vote on  

  • something. There had to be a record. And so she  wanted to hold legislators more accountable.

  • The downside to that, of course, is that  she didn't -- she made some enemies,  

  • when you're going in and  trying to change the system.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: But shoe store owner  Zoe Owen says that anti-establishment  

  • approach is what attracted her to Haley years ago.

  • ZOE OWEN, Foot Saviv: It was just  very exciting. It was a new day,  

  • because here we had a person completely from  the outside, not a political class coming in.

  • The state of South Carolina, I have so much faith  in us. And we know Nikki Haley. And she is going  

  • to get rid of the extremism that's in Washington  right now. She's going to make us normal again.

  • (LAUGHTER)

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Owen campaigned for then-state  Representative Haley during her governor's race  

  • and says former President Trump's tariffs  on China impacted her business directly.

  • ZOE OWEN: It was not good for the shoe business.  I question whether it was good for America. Donald  

  • Trump's a big business guy, I mean, but he -- so  he doesn't have the pulse on what it really feels  

  • like, if you don't sell a shoe, you don't eat  spaghetti on Monday. You eat beans on Monday.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Still, Trump's  appeal runs strong through this state,  

  • with voters who say he's just like them.

  • MEGAN MULLIKEN, Donald Trump Supporter: He's  not somebody that can be puppeted around,  

  • which we see a lot in politics. Sowant somebody to stand in my place,  

  • because we don't have a voice in  Washington as much as he does.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: The state has its first  chance in generations to see a South  

  • Carolinian as a presidential nomineeBut Trump hopes to make history instead  

  • by convincing voters here that he's  more like them than one of their own.

  • For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Lisa Desjardins.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Next week, Michigan primary voters  may send a warning signal to President Joe Biden.

  • From the economy, to abortion  rights, to the war in Gaza,  

  • the issues animating Democratic voters continue  to shift in the lead-up to the 2024 election.

  • Our White House correspondent, Laura  Barron-Lopez, joins me now for the latest.

  • So, Laura, it's fair to say President  Biden has an enthusiasm gap among some  

  • in his base. Who are the voters that he's  having the most trouble with right now?

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: He's having a lot of trouble  with young voters and voters of color, Amna.

  • And I spoke to Nancy Zdunkewicz, who isDemocratic pollster with Z to A Research, and  

  • she recently conducted focus groups with Latino  voters, Black voters and moderate Republicans.

  • And especially among Latino voters, she said  that there was a Hispanic woman in that group who  

  • questioned the president's message on the economy  specifically, that they weren't happy when they  

  • heard the president compare U.S. inflation  rates to other countries' inflation rates,  

  • trying to present what they thought was too  rosy of a picture in terms of U.S. economy.

  • And, ultimately, Nancy Zdunkewicz said that  what Democrats have is a messenger problem.

  • NANCY ZDUNKEWICZ, Z to A Research: This might  be a sort of reverse coattails kind of election,  

  • where we see that statewide  Democrats and congressional  

  • Democrats are carrying the  president across the line.

  • I can't tell you a single state right  now where I have surveyed where a  

  • statewide Democrat was not more popular and  exceeding the vote share of the president.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Zdunkewicz warned  that this is a real problem for Democrats,  

  • and it's not something that they can wish away.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: So the economy  remains a challenging issue.

  • But where is the president seeing any  traction? What issues and with what voters?

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: As I mentioned, Amna, Nancy  Zdunkewicz spoke to moderate Republicans as well.

  • And so, in that focus group, they found  that, when they presented the contrast  

  • between President Biden and former President  Donald Trump, that a lot of those moderate  

  • Republicans started to move more towards President  Biden, specifically on issues like democracy,  

  • January 6, and on abortion, that abortion, she  said, is the second most important issue that  

  • they're hearing from a lot of voters across  the board, not just moderate Republicans.

  • The two fixes that Democrats  could have for that, she said,  

  • is that President Biden needs to be  very clear about his platform for a  

  • second term and also get more surrogates  out there that could boost his message.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Let me ask you about this  effort we're seeing under way in Michigan  

  • specifically ahead of Tuesday's  Democratic presidential primary.

  • There's a movement there to encourage people  

  • to vote uncommitted. What do we  need to understand about that?

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: That uncommitted  movement is being led by Democratic  

  • activists and Democratic local  electeds in the state of Michigan.

  • And it's really a last-minute movement, Amnaborn out of frustration with the president's  

  • response to Gaza. I spoke with Layla Elabed, who  is the sister of Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib,  

  • a Democrat in Michigan, the only  Palestinian member of Congress.

  • And Layla is the campaign manager for this Listen  to Michigan movement. She said, Muslim and Arab  

  • voters in Michigan feel extremely let down by  the president because of his response to the  

  • Israel-Gaza war and that the uncommitted movement  is all about sending a message to President Biden.

  • LAYLA ELABED, Campaign Manager, Listen to  Michigan: We are solely focused on the primary  

  • in order to send that message to Joe Biden thatif he doesn't listen to his poor constituency,  

  • the 80 percent of Democrats that  support a permanent cease-fire,  

  • that he's going to be in trouble come November.

  • I don't want to be in another position where I am  trying to choose between the lesser of two evils.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Layla Elabed  said that she thinks that, right now,  

  • President Biden is taking Muslim and Arab voterswho were key in his win in 2020, for granted.

  • And that same frustration about the  president's response to Israel-Gaza,  

  • Amna, is something that is a big  problem for him also with young voters.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: So, when it comes to those young  voters, other key members of that coalition  

  • that got him to the White House, how is President  Biden addressing some of that dissatisfaction?

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Right now, President Biden's  campaign's theory of the case is that the more  

  • that they contrast him against former President  Donald Trump on policy across the board,  

  • that they think that voters will start to come  home, that that will keep -- all those elements of  

  • his coalition will ultimately vote for him, that  some of them just aren't paying attention yet.

  • One key example of that was just this weekAmna, when the president announced that  

  • he would forgive $1.2 billion in student  loan debt for more than 150,000 borrowers.

  • And when he was announcing that, he said that  he had to go this route, which was a more  

  • piecemeal route that he wanted, than he wanted  to initially, because of the fact that when he  

  • was trying to forgive student loan debt for tens  of millions of borrowers, that Republicans ended  

  • up fighting that and that the Supreme Courtwhich has a conservative majority, blocked it.

  • And so he's really trying to strike  that contrast on student loan debt,  

  • on abortion, on a variety of other  issues with Republicans writ large.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Laura Barron-Lopez with the latest  on President Biden's reelection campaign.

  • Laura, thank you.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Thank you.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: As Ukraine marks two years of  war with Russia, Americans' support for aid  

  • in the country -- to the country, ratheris wavering along partisan battle lines.

  • On that and the other political story  shaping the week, we turn now to the  

  • analysis of Brooks and Capehart. That is  New York Times columnist David Brooks,  

  • and Jonathan Capehart, associate  editor for The Washington Post.

  • Great to see you both.

  • JONATHAN CAPEHART: Hey, Amna. DAVID BROOKS: Good to see you.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Let's start with Ukraine.

  • Russia's war, David, as you know, now moving  into its third year there. Russia's clearly  

  • gaining momentum on the battlefieldLawmakers here in the U.S. are unable  

  • to move through aid. Mr. Trump is now  telling Republicans not to back that aid.

  • If the Ukraine war was supposed to be this testright, of Western democracies coming together,  

  • showing their strength against a rising  autocracy, are we failing that test?

  • DAVID BROOKS: Well, we're on the verge of it.

  • If you had told me two years ago that Europe  would be united and strong and in support,  

  • even though they were so dependent on Russian  energy, and that we'd be the faltering ones,  

  • and that the faltering ones within our country  were Republicans, wouldn't have believed you.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Didn't see that coming.

  • DAVID BROOKS: It seemed like it was  universally accepted that defending  

  • Ukraine was in our national interest. Even today,  

  • 74 percent of Americans think defending  Ukraine is in our national interest.

  • And yet the president, or  the ex-president, said no,  

  • and the speaker apparently follows  him. And, to be fair, in retrospect,  

  • we should have been clearer that the Russian  strategy in war is to go on forever and ever,  

  • and they're willing to sacrifice casualties  that would destroy most other nations. They  

  • did it in the Napoleonic Wars. They did it  in World War II. They're doing it in Ukraine.

  • And we should have been clearer that time wasn't  on our side. And the Biden administration was  

  • undoubtedly too slow to get the weapons  systems. They gave them enough not to lose,  

  • but not enough to win. But it's a  small, rump isolationist majority,  

  • the J.D. Vances of the world, that threaten  to really send the world into turmoil.

  • And they say, oh, no, we need to focus on China  and Asia. Well, talk to the Chinese. Talk to  

  • the Taiwanese. What are they worried aboutThey're worried about Ukraine losing. And so  

  • this is the doorstep to chaos, and a large  part of the Republican Party doesn't care.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Jonathan, to David's point there,  

  • House Speaker Johnson is listening to  former President Trump here, right?

  • But he's also -- he's facing a looming government  

  • shutdown. He's trying to oversee one  of the smallest House majorities in  

  • congressional history. Is Ukrainetop of his priority list right now?

  • JONATHAN CAPEHART: No, top of his priority list,  

  • Speaker Johnson's priority  list, is remaining speaker.

  • We are right back where we were with  Speaker McCarthy. Only, the difference  

  • between Speaker McCarthy and Speaker Johnson  is, and I can't believe I'm saying this,  

  • Speaker McCarthy knew what he was doingHe could actually -- he could govern,  

  • haphazardly and haltingly, but he could governHe kept the government from shutting down.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Yes.

  • JONATHAN CAPEHART: Speaker  Johnson has Ukraine aid,  

  • which is vital to -- as David was  talking about, vital to the national  

  • interest. He's got to get through two  funding deadlines, March 1 and March 8.

  • There's an immigration bill that he says  -- his own that he wants to get through,  

  • after rejecting the hard-fought  bipartisan Senate immigration bill.  

  • This is a person who is woefully unprepared  and inadequate for the task that faces him.

  • And when it comes to this -- this  battle between democracy and autocracy,  

  • where it is vital that Ukraine win, if  they do not win, we will be able to look  

  • back and point the finger right at Speaker  Johnson, because it's Speaker Johnson who  

  • is the one who's getting in the way of  something happening on multiple fronts.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: You agree with that, David?

  • DAVID BROOKS: Yes, I'm a little hopeful that  something will get passed. There are a bunch  

  • of different ways you can do it. They're thinking  of breaking all the different aid pieces apart.

  • There's this thing called the  discharge position, where,  

  • if you get a majority of House members signing  this petition, you can get a vote on something.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: You still need a number of  Republicans to get that discharge petition.

  • DAVID BROOKS: You need a number of  Republicans. But if it's saving democracy,  

  • I think there'd be a number. You don't  have to get a lot of Republicans. You  

  • just got to get a few, and then you  can evade the speaker and get a vote.

  • And if it got a vote, it would pass, for sure.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Hope springs  eternal. I will take that.

  • I do want to ask about the other issue  raised on immigration in particular,  

  • and as it relates to President Biden and  his reelection campaign. We heard Laura  

  • Barron-Lopez's reporting there on some weakening  among the Biden coalition and core groups there.

  • And we know, David, that President  Biden is now weighing some very harsh  

  • immigration tactics through executive  action at the U.S. Southern border,  

  • reminiscent really of some Trump era policiesSo does it make it harder for the president,  

  • as a candidate, to draw a bright line between  himself and his likely general election opponent,  

  • former President Trump, when he's coming  out with some of the same policies?

  • DAVID BROOKS: Yes, on this issue,  

  • Joe Biden does not want to draw a bright  line. The country is with Donald Trump.

  • If you ask who do you approve on different  issues, on general competency, Trump is up by  

  • like 12 points. On who can handle the economy  better, Trump is up by 25. On immigration,  

  • he's up by 39 points. And so this is an  issue where you want to fudge that line.

  • And just on the merits, I'm as pro-immigration  as I think it's possible to be, but our asylum  

  • system is meant for people seeking asylumescaping repression. And a lot of the  

  • people coming across the border are coming  across the border for a lot of the reasons.

  • My ancestors came across. They wanted  economic opportunity. But that's not  

  • asylum. And so the system is somewhat  broken down, and Biden is right to do  

  • something. And, politically, I do  think his survival depends on it.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Do these kinds of movesJonathan, further alienate members of  

  • that Biden coalition that helped get him  to the White House in the first place?

  • JONATHAN CAPEHART: Well, I mean, that  sort of answers the question. Yes,  

  • it does further alienate.

  • But, I mean, I have to agree with David on this,  

  • that immigration is an issue that the  president has to fudge this line. But  

  • what I also think he has going for him is, he  gets to say, the Republicans made me do this.

  • There was a bipartisan Senate immigration  bill that never got a vote. I was in on the  

  • negotiations. They never gave us a voteAnd so we have to do something. And the  

  • election of Tom Suozzi in -- on Long Islandgosh, was that a week-and-a-half ago now,  

  • almost two weeks ago, was a signal of  how salient the immigration issue is.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Meanwhile, David, here is  what Mr. Biden could be up against.

  • From the annual Conservative  Political Action Conference,  

  • or CPAC, as it's known, there was a moment  when a far right conservative commentator,  

  • a man named Jack Posobiec, took to the stageHe was holding up a cross, and he said this:

  • JACK POSOBIEC, Conservative ActivistWelcome to the end of democracy.

  • (LAUGHTER)

  • JACK POSOBIEC: We're here to overthrow it  completely. We didn't get all the way there  

  • on January 6, but we will endeavor to get rid  of it and replace it with this right here.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: He's holding up a cross  there as he says "Replace it with this."

  • This was met with cheers  from the crowd there. But,  

  • David, how do you look at thatWas that meant to be a joke?

  • DAVID BROOKS: Yes, it's meant to be -- I mean,  

  • there's a game right-wing  commentators of that sort play.

  • They get -- they say something that offends  the left, and then they could say, oh,  

  • the left hates me. And then they  get popular in their own crowd,  

  • and so it's a form of performance  art to shock the bourgeoisie.

  • And I take it with utmost cynicism, that  they are just trying to get attention,  

  • and this kind of humor is, shock the  left. And then I have owned the libs.  

  • So I think it's like, crass, stupid. Do  I think it represents the thousands of  

  • Trump voters I have interviewed? Nonone of them would talk like that.

  • They're all serious people who have serious  views that I happen to disagree with,  

  • but they're not like that kind of guy at CPAC.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Jonathan, what do you make of that?

  • JONATHAN CAPEHART: This is one lib who's shocked.

  • And I don't think that those types  of things are funny. And I don't  

  • think they're funny in the context of  what we're living through right now,  

  • Alabama Supreme Court and what it did  on IVF, Supreme Court overturning Dobbs,  

  • a House speaker who's enthralled toformer president who is preventing him  

  • from doing anything that would help move the  country forward on a whole host of issues.

  • And I have been around Washington long enough  to remember that that is the same crowd that  

  • was railing against, oh, my God, Sharia law  is coming to the United States. You know,  

  • it's a religious theocracy taking over the  American government. But it's OK if it's  

  • Christian nationalism. Or let's just be more  blunt about it, white Christian nationalism.

  • I take what they say there at CPAC, even  though it is sort of a Looney Tunes cafe,  

  • but I take them seriously, because their guy is  the front-runner for the Republican nomination  

  • for president and has a 50/50 chance of being  the president. So that joke can become reality.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: So let's take a quick look at  the context in which this is unfolding.

  • Here's a look at the delegate count  right now for former President Trump  

  • and the lone challenger to him for the  Republican presidential nomination. That  

  • is Ambassador Nikki Haley. We see  there Mr. Trump has 63 delegates to  

  • Nikki Haley's 17. They need 1,215. One of  them needs 1,215 to clinch the nomination.

  • David, the South Carolina  primary is tomorrow. What  

  • are you watching for? What  do you believe will happen?

  • DAVID BROOKS: Yes, I will be curious to  see if Haley can climb up to the 40s. I  

  • think her campaign has said  that 42 constitutes success  

  • for them. And that would be a nice  lift. It would make her feel good.

  • And she can go on to Super Tuesday and then  get crushed and then drop out of the race.  

  • But either way, we know how the story endsIt ends with her dropping out of the race.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Jonathan, how are you looking at this?

  • JONATHAN CAPEHART: Look, I go  back to the great James Pindell,  

  • who said they don't get out because they  lose. They get out because they're broke.

  • She's got the money. She will lose  South Carolina. She will go to Super  

  • Tuesday. She will -- as David says, she  will get crushed there. But I do think,  

  • in the grand scheme of things, she is doing  a service to the party and to the country  

  • by finally speaking truth about Donald Trump  and what he means for the Republican Party,  

  • but also what he means for the  country and for democracy writ large.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Jonathan Capehart, David Brooksalways great to see you both. Thank you so much.

  • JONATHAN CAPEHART: Thanks, Amna. DAVID BROOKS: Thank you.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: And, as always, there's  more online, including a look at the  

  • last two years of the Ukraine war and  its wider repercussions on politics,  

  • global security and stability in the region.

  • That's on our new half-hour show, "PBS News  Weekly." That's now on our YouTube channel.

  • And be sure to tune in to "Washington Week  With The Atlantic" tonight on PBS. Moderator  

  • Jeffrey Goldberg and his panel will discuss  the war in Ukraine entering a third year,  

  • as critical U.S. aid is stalled in Congress.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: And tune in tomorrow to "PBS News  Weekend." Republican primary voters head to  

  • the polls in South Carolina as Donald Trump  continues to carve a path to the nomination.

  • And that is the "NewsHourfor tonight. I'm Amna Nawaz.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: And I'm Geoff Bennett.

  • Have a good evening and a great weekend.

AMNA NAWAZ: Good evening. I'm Amna Nawaz.

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