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Mr. Kennedy, I appreciate your time.
So you heard Jeff Zeleny,
going through the role
that Jill Stein played.
When you just look
at the vote tallies
in the state of Wisconsin.
Only need 2000 votes to get on the ballot
in the state of Wisconsin.
So what do you say to Democrats
who point to Jill Stein
and say that's going to be, you?
Well, right now, you know,
I don't know what I'm going to do.
I pull more from November.
Right now,
I'm polling
pretty much equally,
probably a little more
from President Trump.
Like I you know,
as you pointed out,
I want to pull from both of them.
But
you know, do
you want like kind of a glib answer,
a thoughtful answer?
I'd always prefer thoughtful.
Okay.
I mean, what I would say
is you have both sides.
I'm using scare tactics.
Republicans say
that if Joe Biden
gets and it's going to be the
Democrats,
Donald Trump, and
it's going to be democracy.
And I don't think either of them
are actually going to destroy democracy.
There's
we have
institutions in this country
that are pretty enduring.
And if you look at both those candidates,
they're very
different in their temperament.
They're very different ideology,
their and their rhetoric on the issues
where they actually depart
from each other.
It's a very narrow band of issues
and it's a culture war issues
like abortion, guns, the border.
And they're all important issues,
but they're not
existential issues
on the existential issues.
Neither has the capacity to address
the biggest one being the debt.
We now have $34 trillion in debt.
The service on that debt
is more than the eight
the our military spending.
So and within five years,
$0.50 out of every
dollar collected and taxes
are going to go to
servicing the debt and debt
which President Trump
and President Biden together
in just four years each.
They ran more spending.
And all the previous presidents
going back to George washington
and the chronic disease epidemic.
When my uncle was president,
60% of Americans had chronic diseases.
60% is the biggest issue.
We have
$4.3 trillion
that we're spending on that.
And it's four times
almost five times our military budget.
And it's getting worse and worse.
You've never heard President
Trump talk about it.
Never heard President Biden.
The polarization in our country
and existential
all of these issues, I
it neither of them has the capacity
to deal with these.
And all of those issues
are created by a system
of corporate capture.
This corrupt merger between
corporate power
that's absolutely subverted
and undermined our democracy.
And either President Trump
or President
Biden has the capacity to address it
because they're part of that system.
They're both being financed
by BlackRock
and State Street
and Vanguard, the military contractors,
the pharmaceutical industries.
And that system just
spits out bad policies
and the illusion that if
you differ on culture,
war issues and major,
you know, radically different
real things that we need to do
to save our country, it can't do them.
And if you vote for President Trump,
they both have their chance.
You're going to get more of the same
if any.
If somebody heeds
if somebody actually wants change,
once they actually alter those issues,
they're going to vote for me.
And yet
to be president of the United States.
If you have to be on the ballot in enough
states to be able to win
the Electoral College,
you're not right now.
Yeah, And nobody.
And you believe you will be.
I mean,
because I know, I know I will be 100%.
I'm going to be on the ballot
in every state
in the District of Columbia.
Well, you know, you've yet
and I've said this from the beginning,
and we're already well on our way there.
I think with eight within eight
weeks, we're going to probably be on
another 19 states.
We were not allowed
to get on the ballot
before in most states
because we didn't have a vice
presidential candidate.
You have to name
a vice presidential candidate,
a ballot in about 26 states.
Now we have that
and we have
we have about 200,000 volunteers.
We're going to it's going to be easy
for us
to get on the ballot and everything.
So I know
part of the reason that, you know,
we get our line at 13,000 signatures,
we got 23,000 in New Hampshire.
They said it would take months
to get our signatures.
We got them in one day in Utah.
We got them in one week
during a blizzard.
So, you know, we're not going to
we have a very,
very good volunteer army out there.
So when you talk about that,
you had to have a VP candidate
to get on in some states. Right?
So that's part of the reason I know
you made this decision when you did.
The person you've
chosen is Nicole Shanahan.
She's a lawyer.
She doesn't have government experience,
obviously not a household name.
And a lot of people have questioned
why you picked her.
Liz Smith of the DNC just today
says she was picked for one reason
and one reason only the money.
And obviously she speaks for the DNC.
But Mick Mulvaney,
who was OMB
director under President Trump,
said this.
Or there's one thing
we need to know about her.
It's the reason that Kennedy picked her
for vice president.
She's fabulously wealthy.
This is the woman who
single handedly bankrolled
his ad during the Super Bowl
that cost $4 million.
That's why he put her on the ticket,
along with the fact that I think
everybody else probably turned him down.
Would you have picked her
if she didn't have the money yet?
Did you see her speech?
Part of it.
But I mean, did you pick?
I don't think anybody who watched
that speech would ever say that.
She wasn't impressive.
She's eloquent,
she's authentic.
Her life is
a template for the American dream.
She started out as a minority kid
in Oakland, extraordinary poverty,
on food stamps, on welfare.
She grew up and attended Stanford,
where she became a Stanford fellow.
She became an entrepreneur.
She's a very, very uber
successful businesswoman.
She hasn't been in knowledge of A.I..
She has encyclopedic knowledge
of a chronic disease
epidemic and how to stop it.
She is young
and she's a mother, and I'm honored.
And it might get and I want three things.
One, somebody who is an insider, some
because it was the insiders
who created the problem.
They created the debt crisis,
they created the addiction to war.
They created
the chronic disease epidemic.
They created polarization.
I wanted somebody outside
who's thinking outside the box.
I want to our campaign.
It's for young people.
We are
you know, we're
the only campaign
that is looking at this assault
on our children, on what is happening to
young generations.
I wanted somebody who is young,
who is, you know, an 80 year old man.
I wanted somebody who is a mother.
I wanted somebody
who is going to champion their issues.
And I don't think anybody
looked at Nicole Shanahan's speech,
which I urged people to do,
would ever say that
the reason I picked her
was first lady, by the way.
We don't need her money
to get on the ballot in every state.
We already have
the biggest field
operation of any campaign.
We are going to have no problem
getting on the ballot in every state.
We do not need a culture
and it has money.
And we're getting plenty of money.
We're raising more money.
Our campaign is.
And President Trump or President Biden.
So when you talk about, though,
that you say that you're
pulling equally from both
and we'll see what happens.
But in the polling that we have.
But hold on one second,
you guys just take Georgia,
because we all know Georgia
margin of victory
last time was 11,779 votes.
So the latest polling from Georgia,
you get 12% of the Democratic vote.
You pull 5% of the Republican vote.
Again, these are polls.
This is where we are right now.
But that's that's
when they that's what they show.
So when you look at it that way,
how can you say that your campaign
is not taking more from Biden?
What I would say to you and you know,
I'm not
there's something
I want to argue with you about.
It's just what I'm my observation is
I don't care one way or the other
what what my observation is of
the Quinnipiac
Harvard Harris poll, the Gallup poll,
a New York Times in a poll,
all the leading national polls
at this point in history as of today
show me polling,
maybe two more points
from President Trump
than I am from President Biden.
So I'm
mainly what they're
what they're showing in
the Politico did a big article on this is
my supporters are people
who aren't going to vote at all
large am I
donors are people who had given up
on the American political process
and are reengaged because
they feel
that they don't want to choose
between the lesser of two evils.
They want to choose a candidate
who is going to inspire them, who's
going to give them hope with a vision
for the future, and the bigger and energy
actually change this country.
And that, you know,
I want to engage those people
on the political process,
the Democrats, Republicans.
I'm going to take on the margins.
And I can't tell you even today
it's irrelevant, Erin,
because it's really
who am I going to take from in November.
So you in 2000, Ralph Nader
obviously was running
and you did an interview with NBC News
just a few months before the election.
You said this.
There's a political reality here,
which is that
his candidacy could draw
enough votes
in certain key states from Al Gore
to give the entire election
to George W Bush.
And then you wrote an op
ed in The New York Times.
You wrote
Ralph Nader is my friend and hero.
But Mr.
Nader's candidacy
could siphon votes from Al Gore.
Mr.
Nader dismisses
his spoiler role by arguing
there is little distinction
between the major party candidates
and that Mr.
Gore is compromised on too many issues.
While I admire his high minded
ideals, his suggestion
that there is no difference between Mr.
Gore and Mr. Bush is irresponsible.
A moment ago you said you
you essentially see Trump and Biden
as same different different issues.
But do you really believe that
when people talk
about the threat to democracy
that Trump poses,
do you really think that that is
is an equal
evil to Biden?
Listen, I make the argument
that President Biden
is a much worse threat to democracy.
And the reason for that is President
Biden is the first candidate
and the first president in history
has used the federal agencies
to censor political speech
or censor his opponent.
You know,
I can say that
because I just want a case,
a federal court of appeals
now before the Supreme Court.
It shows that he started censoring
not just me, 37 hours
after he took the oath of office.
He was censoring me.
No president
the country has ever done that.
The greatest threat
to democracy
is not somebody who questions
election returns,
but a president
united to use the power of his office
to force
social media companies
Facebook, Instagram, Twitter
to open a portal
and give access a portal to the FBI, CIA,
the IRS, the sites,
the NIH,
the censor, his political critics,
as implied for the first,
first president in history
to use the secrets of his power
over the Secret Service
that deny Secret Service protection
to one of his political opponents.
For a political reason, weaponizing
a federal agency.
Those are really critical threats,
of course,
tried to overturn
a free and fair election.
He tried to overturn one. Right.
He's still fighting in court.
How is that not a threat to democracy?
Well, I think that is
a threat to democracy
himself.
It's we're
trying to overthrow the election,
clearly a threat to democracy.
But the question was,
who is a worse threat to democracy?
And what I would say is,
you know, I'm
not going to answer that question,
but I can argue that President Biden has,
because the First Amendment,
Erin, is the most important.
But ADAMS And Hamilton Madison said
we put the guarantee
of freedom of expression
in the First Amendment
because all of our other
constitutional rights depend on it.
If you have a government,
it can silence its opponent.
It has license for any atrocity.
So just to be clear,
you're saying you could make an argument
that President Biden is a worse
threat to democracy than the.
But who else has ever tried to?
Well,
never tried to send
what president in history
as ever tried to censor
political opponents.
What president has weaponized?
You know,
when my father came
into the Justice Department
the first week he was there,
he got all of the branch
division attorneys together
and he said, whatever
we do,
we are not going to use the power
of the Justice Department
for political reasons.
Said that he
what you're saying
is he said that, of course,
and that is reprehensible.
And he is the only president
who's tried
to overthrow the results of an election.
Well, you know,
let me let me say something.
I'm not going to defend
President Trump on that.
That was appalling.
And there's many things
that President Trump has done that
that are appalling.
In 2001,
we had an election
stolen in this country.
During the Bush-Gore election.
In 2004,
I wrote an award
winning article for Rolling Stone
that showed how that election
was stolen from John Kerry.
So I don't and most Americans agree
with me about 2001
that it was stolen
election from
from the Democratic candidate.
So I don't think people who say
that the election is stolen, we shouldn't
we shouldn't
make pariahs of those people.
We shouldn't demonize them,
we shouldn't vilify them.
We should be doing is saying
let's all get together,
Republicans and Democrats
and fix the election system
so that it cannot be fixed
so that we're the exemplary democracy
in the world.
We ought to, you know, all
I guess
is build
on machines that can count
and never make mistakes.
Should we get can we make an election
and we have an electoral process?
When you say, okay, hold on.
But
it can't be it can't be fixed.
I understand that we want elections
to be as perfect
as they possibly can be,
and one should not use the fact
that the election was not stolen
and was not cheated to
not try to perfect it.
I understand that distinction.
But when you do as you're doing
and you open the door to, well, we want
every you're opening the door
to people who can say, well,
then that's exactly what I'm saying.
The machines miscounted.
The machines did this, but they didn't.
Every single analysis has shown
that that did not happen.
Right. As you know.
Do you worry that you're opening the door
for people to believe
that the Republican primary voters
and that they. No. I'm not worried.
I don't I don't worry
about how people might misinterpret
my words.
I what I said.
I mean, and I'm careful about
how I use language.
I'm not
saying that that election was or is
was cheating. I've never said that.
What I've said is that
there are problems, particularly
if you don't have paper ballots.
The election machines can be fixed
in various ways, and that's just a fact.
What we ought to have is
we ought to have machines
and we ought to have paper
ballots this time,
and we ought to have a very low threshold
to get a recount of the paper ballots.
And that just makes sense.
It's common sense.
And if we implement
and every jurisdiction,
you're not going to have problems
where Americans are at each
other's throats.
I mean,
you're talking about a technical thing,
like instead of having one
half of 1% be the trigger for a recount,
you would put it even lower.
I mean, that's that's the sort of
whatever.
I'm not I'm not
choosing a particularly threshold,
but it's natural That makes sense.
That's a very low threshold
where you got a recount
if you you know, if you
if there's some question, oh, you know,
and that's
I don't think
I'm saying something
that's controversial.
I'm saying something.
I think
most Americans,
virtually any American, would agree with.
Let's have an election system that even
10% of Americans are crazy people
and even they won't question
because our election system is the best
election system in the world.
And nobody you know,
I mean, Vermont, for example,
has a very, very good election.
Nobody ever questions
the Vermont election system.
And we ought to be able
to do the same thing in every state
where we are supposed to be
the template for democracy
in every country in the world.
Let's make sure we put a man on the moon.
We you know,
we've had all these accomplishments.
Let's make sure we have a system
that nobody is questioning.
Even crazy people
are always going to question it, though.
Well,
they're always going to question it.
And you want to narrow
the margin of people
who are questioning it
as much as possible
by giving nobody
any kind of legitimate claim about it.
That's all I'm saying.
And what I'm saying
is not
saying I'm not
saying that President Trump
won the election. I don't with it.
And I've never said anything
or suggested anything like that.
All I'm saying is
let's focus on the issues
that bring people together.
I've been constantly
focusing on the polarization,
the issues that drive Americans apart.
It's all at each other's throats
with a very,
very toxic polarization
and demonization of each other.
I want to ask you,
I mentioned at the top of the program
how Trump was trying to tie
you to the far
left right with his recent post,
most radical left candidate in the race.
I guess this would mean he's
going to be taking votes
from Crooked Joe Biden,
which would be a great service
to America. I love that he's running.
Obviously,
the Democrats were putting up billboards
outside your rally,
tying you to MAGA and to Trump.
But it's very interesting over
time, over the past six months
when you and Trump
have spoken about each other,
I wanted to play some of those times
and give you a chance to explain
Here it is.
I will say RFK Jr, who I've known
not very well, but I've known for a while
and I respect him.
A lot of people respect him.
The people who support Donald Trump
feel that they're regarded
by the elites
as deplorable people
and that, you know,
they're not part of our country.
And I think Donald Trump made them
feel like they were part of our country.
That is a very smart guy and a good guy.
I'm proud that President Trump likes me.
I was most curious, actually,
about your last statement there.
What about President Trump liking
you makes you proud?
Well, it was first of all, I'm
definitely the only candidate running
who sued Donald Trump twice and won.
And so, you know, if Donald Trump
does a lot of things wrong
and I call him on it,
but I, you know, I, I, I try to be
a candidate who's not running on rank or
running on vitriol,
running on personal attacks,
but is running,
you know, based upon my record
and and
based upon my ideas on the issues.
Now, here's
I mean, here's how it went.
Let me explain to you
how I view this issue.
I think
there's a revolution
happening in our country,
and it's the same kind of thing
that happened
when my father was running in 1968.
The polarization,
the division of Americans
is the most toxic
and the American Civil war,
that there's a whole group of people
in this country,
the American middle class.
57% of Americans
who can't put their hands on
$1,000
if there's an emergency in their family,
if those people
if the engine light
comes on in their car,
it's the apocalypse.
You know, they're going to lose
their car, lose their job.
They're feeling forgotten.
I the Democratic Party,
they used to represent the interests
of the middle class.
Their feeling
for the entire political establishment.
Donald Trump came in in 2016
and said to those people,
you have a whole thing.
And that's what they wanted to hear.
Well, populist movements
can either be harnessed
by demagogues
or dark reasons,
and with with
using all the alchemy is a demagoguery
or that can be captured
by idealistic leaders
and idealistic reason.
My father captured
most of the white vote in Maryland,
Delaware and Eastern states
just before his death in 1968.
Four years later,
those same people
voted for George Wallace.
Why is that?
They were populist.
My father captured that energy
with a powers,
and I was five five yourself.
Are you a populist?
Are you a nationalist?
How would you describe
myself as a populist?
Like my father was a populist
and a populist for idealism
or for that merit, because
ratings are signature values
for democracy, for free speech,
for constitution, for a democracy
that's not run and captured
by corporate interests, anti war,
and for the middle class, for the cops,
for the firefighters,
for working people
in this country,
about rebuilding our middle class,
about making sure our kids have are able
to live the American dream.
There's you know, the American dream.
When I was against that,
if you worked hard,
if you play by the rules,
you could buy a house,
you could finance it,
you could take a summer vacation,
you could raise a family,
you could put something aside
for retirement on one job.
My kids, I have seven kids, Erin,
and none of them
believe that that promise
applies to them.
And what an art.
They're sick.
You know, today
when I was a kid, juvenile diabetes,
a pediatrician typically
would see one case in its entire lifetime
that a one out of every three kids
walks into
his office is pre-diabetic or diabetic.
Why is it the political
where
we're spending more on diabetes
than we are a defense budget?
Why isn't the political establishment
talking about this?
We ought to be solving this problem.
So why are our health
agencies never even asking this question?
You just mentioned seven children.
And and I'm
and I'm wondering,
as we sit here
and you're doing this interview,
you're doing interviews,
you're doing rallies,
and you're running
the candidacy
that you're running has cost
you a lot personally.
It has cost you siblings.
Family members have spoken out
against what you're doing.
They are angry. They're upset.
They're hurt.
Your sister
worry was on our show recently
and she spoke about it.
JFK's grandson
also posted on social media overnight,
something I don't know if you saw it.
I wanted to play both of them.
I feel strongly
that this is
the most important
election of our lifetime.
And I do worry that Bobby, just taking
some percentage of votes from Biden
could shift the election
and lead to Trump's election.
He's trading in on Camelot, celebrity
conspiracy theories
and conflict for personal gain and fame.
I've listened to him.
I know him.
I have no idea
why anyone thinks he should be president.
What I do know is his candidacy
is an embarrassment.
That's your family.
That's your family.
I have a big family.
About 105 cousins on last time.
We crois. Your sister
and I have siblings
who are supporting me. I have.
I have.
I have cousins and nephews.
And these who are working in my campaign.
My campaign is being run by my daughter
in law, my
you know, by our
the political party that we started
is chaired by my cousin, Anthony Shriver.
Listen,
I have a big family.
I don't
know anybody in America
who's got a family
who agrees with them on everything.
I don't know if that's your situation.
And, Erin,
if you have a family
who believes everything you do
is, you know, like unicorns and rainbows.
I you know, I would
I come from a family, from a milieu
where we came home at night
and ate dinner with my father.
And he would
orchestrate debates between us.
And we were in the same way
that his father did with him.
And we could disagree on issues
and we could disagree
with passion and information.
But we still love each other.
And I love Rory.
I love my family.
I feel loved by them.
Listen,
I understand why
they don't like me running.
I understand
President Biden has been a 40 year friend
to me and my family.
He has a past
my father behind him on the Oval Office.
Yes.
He talks about how my father
inspired him to enter politics.
There's five members of my family
who work for the Biden administration.
So, you know,
I understand why they're dismayed
that I'm running against them.
They're also worried,
you know what my sister said?
You know,
my candidacy may get Trump elected.
What if it does?
What happens if you wake up the day
after the election?
We have results
and that is what happened.
Well, will you regret it?
What I
what I said to you applies to that.
I don't think either
President Trump or President Biden
are going to solve the debt crisis
in this country, which is existential.
I don't think either of them
are going to get us out of foreign wars.
This addiction
that we have, the forever wars.
President Trump
actually said he was going to do that,
but then he appointed John Bolton.
He said he was going to drain the swamp.
He appointed John Bolton as head of NSA.
And that's
always a swamp
creature is a template
for swamp creatures.
And I don't think either of them
are capable of ending
the corporate capture
of all of our agencies,
a capture of the CIA,
a military industrial complex,
capture of
NIH, CDC and FDA
by the pharmaceutical companies
of USDA by process Food and Big AG.
They're not going to do anything
about that.
So it's gonna be more of the same.
Whoever gets elected,
there's going to be changes
around the margins,
you know, taxing on abortion or whatever.
Both of them only have four years.
And I don't think they can
dismantle democracy in four years.
I think Americans institutions
are too great for that and and
a chance for me to actually change
the nature of governance in this country,
to restore democracy,
to restore our nation's
moral authority abroad,
ever support,
give us a
foreign policy
that's not based on war
or projecting military power abroad,
but on projecting
economic power and moral strength.
The chances of that happening
are too great
and too important for me
to give up this contest.
All right.
Bobby Kennedy, thank you very much.
I really appreciate your time.
Thanks for having me. All right.
And I want to go now to Daniel Dale.
And Daniel,
a lot of things
that Kennedy said in that interview
deserve a little bit more attention,
including his claim that he made that
the 2004 election was,
quote, stolen from John Kerry
towards the end.
He made that that point.
I'll just play it again.
In 2001,
we had an election
stolen in this country.
During the Bush-Gore election and 2004,
I wrote an award
winning article for Rolling Stone
that showed how that election
was stolen from John Kerry.
So I don't and most Americans agree
with me
about 2001 that it was stolen
election from from
the Democratic candidate.
So, Daniel,
that's not
something that a lot of people have
heard, the 2004 election.
And it stood out to you
along with a few other key moments there.
It did.
So he did write an article about this
in 2006 and Rolling Stone
claiming that the election
was stolen from John Kerry
because of what happened
in the state of Ohio,
that an important swing state.
That article did not actually prove
the election was stolen.
It raised a litany of
of some very real problems
that nonetheless did not show
that Kerry would have won the state
if not for those problems.
It also made like like in many cases
with Mr.
Kennedy,
a whole bunch of speculative Leap's
assumptions about data
that experts in these in things like exit
polling said were just not true.
So, no, there was no proof
the election was stolen in 2004 for Mr.
Kerry.
Mr.
Kennedy also made some other claims
here, and I think we need to look at.
He asserted that
President Biden did not has denied him
Secret Service protection
in this election.
First of all,
there is no evidence that President Biden
has been at all personally
involved in decisions about
who should
and should not get Secret
Service protection.
Secondly, I think it's important to note
that there are federal criteria
for who gets such protection,
including such things
as being the nominee of a major party,
which Mr.
Kennedy is not being at 15%
or higher consistently for a month.
In the Real Clear Politics
polling average average with which Mr.
Kennedy currently is not.
Now, there is some discretion.
The Secretary of Homeland Security.
But yes, part of the Biden administration
can decide to offer protection,
but there's no evidence
this has been a decision for for for Mr.
Biden to put him at risk.
He also claimed that the President Biden
has been personally censoring him.
And we know there is a controversy
about a White House communications
with social media companies
about
what posts and posts
and accounts should remain up or not.
There is no evidence
that Biden has been involved whatsoever.
And it's important to remember
he was posting a frequent serial vaccine
and other COVID 19 misinformation.
That's what we're talking about here,
not political criticism.
All right.
All right.
Which is obviously very significant
to note that distinction.
All right.
Thanks to Daniel Dale.
Jeff Zeleny is back with me now.
And in addition, Ashley Allison
joins former national coalition
director for the Biden-Harris 2020
campaign and David Urban,
former senior adviser
to the Trump campaign.
So, Ashley,
you know,
you hear Kayla, the DNC,
you know, they're watching Kennedy.
They are.
They you know, we saw they put the
the big
billboard up
saying that he's MAGA trying to tie him
to Trump.
You just heard him
describe himself as a populist.
So what what do you make of the way he's
dealing with this right now?
Look, I think RFK
interview just did was terrifying.
Not only did
he push lie after lie
and some conspiracy theories,
he actually didn't say
one time
what he would do for the American people.
He he talked about them,
but he didn't make a clear plan
for what he wants to do for them.
He will be a spoiler, most likely.
He is not on enough.
You ask him this.
He is not on enough ballots right now
to actually
get 270 Electoral College votes,
which you actually need to win
the presidency of the United States.
And I just like
he talked about so many issues
that are baffling to me.
But he talks about chronic disease.
Yes, chronic disease is an issue.
But he also said that abortion rights,
half of the population
has lost a constitutional right,
and that's not an existential crisis.
He talked about guns,
which is the leading
cause of death for children.
He talked about being the candidate
for young people,
but doesn't consider
the gun crisis in our country
an existential crisis.
He talks about Joe Biden
being a bigger threat to democracy
and not Donald Trump.
When Donald Trump had people
go and storm the capital try to kill
not only Nancy Pelosi,
but his vice president, Mike Pence,
who is no longer supporting
Donald Trump.
So his
candidacy is extremely problematic.
The DNC needs to take it head on.
Robert F Kennedy is a problem for America
as a candidate.
Jeff Zeleny,
what do you make of
all of the argument that he made
and how will that play
from where
you're hearing it, that he was saying
that you could make the argument
he was making the argument
that that Joe Biden could be
a greater threat
to democracy than Donald Trump,
even though he said that
what Donald Trump did on it
in January was wrong.
Look, his point
there was because of social media,
as Daniel was saying, that he argues
that he was blocked from social media.
But listening to that,
that is not something that
certainly would resonate
with most Democratic,
disaffected Democratic voters.
So that certainly sounds like
it gives credence to the idea
that, yes,
he is going to take supporters
potentially from both sides.
That's a very much more of a Republican
or Trumpian message, if you will.
But, Erin,
I think one of the things that struck me
when you talk to Democrats
who truly are upset and disgusted
and disappointed at this administration,
one of the reasons is the Garza policy.
And there would be an opening
talking to many Democrats
if there was a candidate,
a third party option,
who was really making
that the core of their message.
That could be a problem for young voters.
That is not the core of RFK
Jr's message at all.
So I think he said those voters,
it's hard to imagine
that he would speak to that.
Yeah, I mean, even ten days ago,
he was not even saying
there was time for a ceasefire.
Biden, of course, is much more cease fire
than ask
more pro-Israel
than Biden or Trump right now,
it appears.
So, David,
can I just show you the map again,
because you heard
Kennedy make the argument that he's
going to get on the ballot
in all in all states.
Right now, he's only on the ballot
formally in Utah.
So he's got the signature
threshold for eight other states,
and that does include key swing states
Michigan, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona,
North Carolina, all on that.
Do you
do you believe that
that he will be successful
in getting on the ballot, enough states
where you would be competitive
from an Electoral College
perspective to to 70?
Well, we'll have to wait and see on that.
First of all, I'd like to yield
my time to Daniel Dale to come fact
check Alison.
But but I don't
I know we don't have enough time,
so I say I'll do it.
So clearly, Democrats are concerned
very, very concerned,
because what I hear Ashley saying,
it's what I hear over and over again
about RFK Junior. Right.
He's he's this he's he's a bigger threat
to democracy than Donald Trump.
So you can't vote
for either of those two.
But to your point,
is he going to be on the ballot
Enough states,
I think, is going to be on the ballot
in plenty of states.
I think he's going to
he's got to have the money.
He may be
on the Libertarian ticket to get.
And if that's the case
that he's on every state,
you'll get Secret
Service protection that. Yeah, yeah.
And so we've got a lot of road
to run down here yet
I would say listening to him
you know what he
what he sounded like
I hear I feel your pain America.
I feel your pain about the check
engine light going on.
He really had a pretty populist message
and I think is going to resonate.
I think at the end of the day,
the Democrats should be pretty scared
of RFK because he's a relatable he's
you know,
I spent only
a little bit of time with him,
but he's an interesting character,
very relatable,
very, you know, very likable, affable guy
on the campaign trail.
And it's going to be it's
going to be a problem
if he gets out there
and gets on the on these ballots.
All right. Thank you all very much.