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  • Hi, welcome back to my channel where we are unpacking and deconstructing all of the things that we were taught growing up in fundamentalist and conservative Christian churches.

  • My name is Christy, and today we're going to be continuing on in a series that I've been doing on deconstructing Bible stories, stories that we were taught in church, stories that we were taught in Sunday school, and seeing if we can come to a different conclusion than the conclusion that they wanted us to come to.

  • So far, I have not come to any of the same conclusions that we came to when I was in the church.

  • I see things very differently, and you might see things very differently too, but the whole goal here is to really take the things that they taught us to believe were true, and the lessons that they wanted us to get out of these stories, and to figure out for ourselves how we feel about it, what we think, what we believe.

  • When you're raised in a Christian church, especially a high-control Christian church, you are fed these stories and taught that you're supposed to interpret it a certain way, you're supposed to feel a certain way about it, and that there is one lesson to get out of it, and they'll give you the lesson.

  • They'll tell you what to think and believe, but I think they do such a disservice to you when they don't give you the opportunity to figure out how you feel about these stories.

  • They don't give you the space to figure it out for yourself.

  • And so, that's what we're here to do.

  • You're going to hear my perspective.

  • You might come up with a different perspective, but what's important is that you're willing to take the time to think about what you believe, rather than just clinging to what somebody else has told you.

  • Now, in this video, like all my others, I will be reading the Bible at face value, and

  • I will be doing this through a fundamentalist lens.

  • The goal of my channel is to kind of combat these fundamentalist evangelical ideologies, and within fundamentalism, these stories are true.

  • The Bible is the inerrant word of God, and it has been provided by God to give us a guide to Him, kind of a map to God, and what He wants, His desires, His plan, His purpose, all of that.

  • If that's the case, then I should be able to pick up a Bible and read it, and get whatever is being said, get whatever God is trying to tell me out of it.

  • If I can't do that, if I need to dig into the historical context, the ancient languages, if I need to contact theologians, and biblical scholars, and read concordances, and all of that, then I don't think it's the inspired word of God, and I don't think that it's the path to truth meant for all people, because not all people have access to those things.

  • Not all people have access to the resources, and the scholars, and all of that to be able to determine what was actually said in this ancient dead language.

  • I'm going to read the story, and just see how I feel about it, and let's see where we land.

  • Today's story is, by popular request, Abraham and Isaac, when Abraham is asked to sacrifice his only son to God, and God stops him right before it happens.

  • He spares him, he provides a lamb, and they live happily ever after.

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  • Let's get into it.

  • Let's get into the sacrifice of Isaac, starting in Genesis 22.

  • This is a pretty short story, so it probably won't take us very long to go through it.

  • However, I do have a lot of thoughts.

  • So here we are, Genesis 22, verse 1.

  • After these things, God tested Abraham, and said to him, Abraham, and he said, here I am, an omniscient, omnipotent God.

  • He's calling out, Abraham, where are you?

  • And Abraham's like, hey God, I'm over here.

  • I just imagine, people actually think this really happened, and I just think that's so funny to think about that scenario.

  • Moving on, verse 2.

  • He said, take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, of which I shall tell you.

  • I ain't gonna tell you yet, because I haven't thought this through, but I will tell you, don't worry.

  • So just stopping right there.

  • God has requested, demanded, commanded, that Abraham takes his son, his only son, whom he loves, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him as a burnt offering on the mountain.

  • Now in church, we know that they tell us, you know, that this story is a story of faith, right?

  • Abraham's faith.

  • He had so much faith in God that he was willing to do whatever God told him.

  • And that, to me, is usually the moral of the story.

  • Have faith.

  • Know that God will provide.

  • Just do whatever God says.

  • But if God is testing Abraham, and he was testing him on if he was going to do the right and moral, ethical thing, then I would think Abraham's answer would be immediately no.

  • Absolutely not.

  • Like he would pass the test by saying, no, God, I'm not going to do that.

  • I love my son.

  • I'm his parent.

  • I would never hurt him.

  • I would never sacrifice my child.

  • I won't do that.

  • It's wrong.

  • And that would be the most moral answer he could give.

  • But it's not a test of morality and ethics.

  • It's a test of faith.

  • And you would think that if God was testing Abraham to do the right thing in God's eyes, then that would be the most moral and ethical thing.

  • But in this scenario, the moral thing and the right thing are not the same thing.

  • And I don't understand that.

  • In God's world, what's right and what's moral are not synonymous.

  • Because the moral thing is to say, no, I'm not going to sacrifice my son.

  • But God doesn't want him to answer that way.

  • God is testing him to see if he's going to have enough faith to do whatever God says, even if it's so awful that he would ask to give up his son.

  • Kill your own son.

  • Let's see if he'll do it.

  • So if Abraham is going to pass the test and do what is right, he's going to say no, right?

  • Right?

  • Right?

  • So Abraham rose early, verse three, Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey and took two of his young men with him and his son Isaac.

  • And then he cut the wood for the burnt offering and arose and went to the place of which God had told him.

  • On the third day, Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place from afar.

  • Then Abraham said to his young men, stay here with the donkey.

  • I and the boy will go over there and worship and come again to you.

  • And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac, his son, and he took in his hand the fire and the knife.

  • So they went both of them together.

  • And Isaac said to his father, Abraham, my father.

  • And he said, here I am, son.

  • I see what they did there.

  • He said, behold, the fire and the wood.

  • But where's the lamb for a burnt offering?

  • Abraham said, God will provide for himself the lamb for a burnt offering my son.

  • So they went both of them together.

  • So let's rewind just a little bit and just kind of sit on the fact that there was no back and forth between God and Abraham.

  • Abraham didn't question God.

  • He didn't say, why are you asking me to do this?

  • I don't want to do this.

  • I don't want to give up my son.

  • There was no questioning.

  • There was immediately, okay, I'm doing this.

  • I'm taking my son.

  • I got my knife.

  • I got everything I need.

  • We're going to go up to the mountaintop.

  • That's a little alarming.

  • And it's crazy that Abraham is just praised for this.

  • But then we move on and we see that, you know, they're gathering everything up.

  • And Isaac notices that there's not a lamb for the burnt offering.

  • And he's like, where's the lamb?

  • What's going on here?

  • I don't see the animal for sacrifice.

  • And Abraham says, God will provide for himself the lamb for a burnt offering, my son.

  • So both of them went together.

  • And Christians have told me that this right here shows that Abraham knew that God was going to provide a lamb.

  • Like he knew that he wasn't going to actually sacrifice his son.

  • And that certainly is one way to interpret it.

  • And I understand why they have to interpret it that way.

  • But I don't read that.

  • Like my first initial reaction is, oh, well, Abraham is obviously making sure that his son is not afraid.

  • You know, he doesn't want to freak his son out before he lays the knife down in his heart.

  • So he's just saying, don't worry, God will provide.

  • Don't you worry, you know?

  • That's what I see.

  • I see an Abraham who is gathering up his supplies, who has not questioned it, who is ready to go, who takes his son, who is in motion to do the thing he was asked to do.

  • And in a minute here, I'll be able to show you why I think that it does not show that

  • Abraham knew God was going to provide and that Abraham fully intended to sacrifice his son.

  • In verse nine, when they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built the altar there and laid the wood in order and bound Isaac, his son, and laid him on the altar on top of the wood.

  • Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to slaughter his son.

  • So Abraham takes him up.

  • He puts his son on a table or an altar of some sort.

  • He binds him, he ties him down to the altar, and then he takes a knife and he holds it over Isaac's body like he's about to.

  • So just stopping right there, what's going through Isaac's mind?

  • What is Isaac thinking when his father, who he loves and trusts to protect him and take care of him, what is he thinking when he sees his dad standing over him with a knife?

  • Probably it's probably not good.

  • There's probably a lot of terror and fear.

  • I remember being told this story in my Sunday school class, and not once did anyone ever consider or bring up the feelings of Isaac in this situation.

  • My Sunday school teacher didn't ask me, how do you think Isaac felt in this situation?

  • What are your thoughts on this?

  • I think this is probably the biggest problem with Sunday school, with the indoctrination that kids get in Sunday school, is that these children are being taught by these adults these very scary stories, these stories that kids should not be learning about.

  • They're not being taught to explore the story, to consider everyone in the story.

  • They're not being taught to empathize with the characters in the story.

  • They're just being fed it, and they're being told this is the lesson you're supposed to get out of it.

  • This is how you believe.

  • You think Abraham was really good, right?

  • You think Abraham was being really faithful, right?

  • You think he did the right thing, right?

  • Isn't it so great that he had faith?

  • It's not a place where kids can explore and empathize.

  • I didn't learn empathy in Sunday school.

  • I didn't learn empathy in the church.

  • I had to learn that on my own, because nobody ever taught me.

  • Nobody taught me to put myself in someone else's shoes, and so when I'm being taught a story about a child whose father is holding a knife over him after tying him down to an altar, I never, until I was an adult, even thought about the perspective of Isaac in that situation, because the point isn't, it's not about Isaac.

  • It's not about Abraham.

  • It's about God, and what God wants, and you doing what God says, and God being glorified, and everything working out the way God wants it to, no matter how everybody else feels, and this is how people are taught to disregard people's feelings.

  • This is how Christians are raised with a lack of empathy, because they're not taught to feel what those in the story might have felt.

  • They're not taught to put themselves in their shoes, to explore.

  • They're just told, this is the story.

  • Deal with it.

  • This is how it goes.

  • This is what you believe about it, and yeah, so I just, now as an adult, I can actually look, and I'm like, oh my gosh, like reading the story as an adult, like I can't imagine what Isaac must have gone through.

  • That's terrifying.

  • That's traumatizing, and you know, we know what happens in the story.

  • You know, spoiler alert, he doesn't kill him, so when they're walking down from the mountain,

  • I'm just like, like what must that have been like, you know, with his dad, and him, like nothing ever is ever said about how Isaac feels in the story.

  • It's never said.

  • It's just like, oh, well, that's what happened.

  • He didn't kill him.

  • Thank goodness.

  • Moving on.

  • So it says in verse 10 that Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to slaughter his son, but the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, Abraham, Abraham, and he said, here I am.

  • He said, do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son from me.

  • And Abraham looked up with his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by his horns, and Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son.

  • So Abraham called the name of the place the Lord will provide as it is on this day on the mount of the Lord it shall be provided.

  • Look at verse 11.

  • When the angel says, or verse 12, he says, do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him.

  • For now I know that you fear God, seeing as you have not withheld your son, your only son from me.

  • To me, this verse is the smoking gun that tells me that Abraham fully, completely intended to kill his son.

  • It wasn't that Abraham and God were just playing a game and Abraham knew that God would provide.

  • And so he just went along with the motions.

  • It's not that because the angel says, I see that you've not withheld your son.

  • I know, I know what you're willing to do now.

  • I see it.

  • I know that you were willing to kill your son.

  • And because of that, your faith is great.

  • And now I don't want you to kill your son.

  • So when Christians say, well, Abraham knew that God was going to provide, he knew that he wasn't going to actually have to do it.

  • That's not what the angel said, because if he didn't think he was actually going to have to do it, that then he didn't pass the test because the test was to see if he was actually willing to, to give up his son.

  • That was the test.

  • The test wasn't, do you have enough faith to obey me?

  • It was, do you have enough faith to kill your son for me?

  • And Abraham said, yep.

  • And he went to go do it so much so that he bound him down and held a knife over him.

  • So verse 15 and the angel of the Lord called to Abraham, called to Abraham for a second time from heaven and said by myself, I have sworn declares the Lord because you have done this and not withheld your son, your only son.

  • They repeat it.

  • I will surely bless you.

  • I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven, as the sand that is on the seashore and your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed because you have obeyed my voice.

  • So Abraham returned to his young men.

  • They arose, they went together to Beersheba and Abraham lived at Beersheba.

  • And that's, that's pretty much the end.

  • If the point is that you're supposed to listen to the voice of God and do whatever the voice of God says, no matter what it is or how crazy it sounds, that's, that's the lesson you're supposed to get out of it.

  • How does that apply to modern times?

  • Because in modern times, when people think they hear the voice of God telling them to kill their own child and then they do it, we lock them up.

  • And I don't think Christians generally argue that we shouldn't be locking those people up and that those people actually did a good thing.

  • I remember reading the story of Andrea Yates, which that, that story just breaks my heart.

  • I, it breaks my heart for the kids.

  • It breaks my heart for Andrea because I think so much of what she experienced was outside of her control.

  • I think it was severe mental illness mixed with severe religious indoctrination and it just combined for a really, really bad, bad thing that happened, a very unfortunate incident.

  • And I'm not going to get into the details of Andrea Yates.

  • You can look it up online, but Andrea Yates did think that she heard a voice telling her she needed to kill her kids to save them, I think from Satan.

  • Pretty sure if I remember correctly, it was so she could save them from Satan.

  • And so she drowned her kids in a bathtub because she thought she was saving them because she had severe mental illness.

  • And I don't know anybody that, I mean, I'm sure there are people, but probably very few.

  • I don't know anybody that really supports what she did.

  • They might support her because she had mental illness, but they don't support what she did.

  • They don't think it was a good thing that she did that.

  • But in her mind, she thought she was doing the right thing for God.

  • But when we look at that, we see delusion.

  • And then we go to Sunday school and they teach us that it's the most faithful and righteous thing you can do to take your kid up to a mountain, tie him down and hold a knife over him because God said so.

  • That's kind of a wild lesson to be teaching people.

  • And especially if you have people in your church with mental illness that cannot distinguish like reality from non-reality, that is hearing voices that they think are from God to be telling them that they should be listening to that voice and obeying that voice.

  • And that if they do, they will be faithful to God is very dangerous, like incredibly dangerous.

  • And the bottom line is, you know, they'll say that just the point, the bottom line is that Abraham had faith.

  • He had faith.

  • He trusted God and God provided.

  • So if you trust God, God will provide.

  • I've trusted God a lot in my life and God didn't provide what I needed.

  • I provided what I needed and did it on my own.

  • People all the time pray to God and trust God and he does not provide what they need.

  • So it's just not true.

  • And I don't understand why we're seeing this as a good, healthy relationship between a

  • God and a person when God is testing a person to see if they really have faith, even though

  • God is omniscient, knows the future, already knows what Abraham is going to do.

  • If you're being tested, it's because the teacher is wanting to see where you're at.

  • They want to know if all of the information they've given you is, you know, sinking in.

  • And so they want to see where you're at with that information.

  • And so they test you and they see what your grade is, but they don't know.

  • I mean, if they knew where you were at already and they knew the answers to your test, well, they wouldn't give you a test.

  • There would be no need to.

  • The test isn't for the student.

  • The test is for the teacher.

  • Why is God testing people when he already knows what they're going to do?

  • It's not some sick game on God's part because he wants to see what he can get away with because he wants to see how far people are willing to go for him, that they would kill for him.

  • And how funny is it that when we talk about the Old Testament and the enslavement and the war and the Israelites going against cities around them and how they treated them, people will say, well, those people were terrible.

  • They were so evil.

  • They were sacrificing babies.

  • Well, sorry to break it to you, but Abraham was also willing to sacrifice his baby.

  • He was going to do it.

  • I don't know how that makes him any different, but God stopped him.

  • You know, thankfully, I guess in this scenario, God stopped him, but he was willing to do it.

  • He was going to go do it.

  • How does that make him any different from people who do it?

  • It doesn't.

  • Those people, if they were sacrificing babies and children, which yes, they probably were, but it wasn't representative of like all the nations around Israel.

  • Not everybody was sacrificing babies.

  • I'm sure very few were, and we have very little evidence to suggest any, we have no evidence to suggest everybody was just sacrificing babies back then.

  • It's just, it's not what was happening.

  • But even if all of these surrounding cities and nations were doing it, the point is to not do that and not want to do that.

  • But Abraham was willing to do that.

  • And we call that good because God said it.

  • I don't see the morality in that.

  • In this situation, morality, ethics don't matter, but faith does.

  • And faith isn't rooted in morality and ethics.

  • To follow God is not to be moral.

  • To have faith is to not be moral, to be willing to do something immoral.

  • And I just think if Abraham was being tested, you know, then he failed the test.

  • In my book, he failed the test.

  • He passed the test in God's book by acting immorally or being willing to act immorally.

  • Well, he failed my moral test and God is immoral.

  • If God wants him to do immoral things and wants him to be willing to do immoral things just to prove his faith, that seems very toxic.

  • That seems incredibly toxic that God would require that or ask you to do that.

  • A good God would not ask you to kill your kid, even if he's just testing you.

  • He wouldn't test you with it.

  • That's not what a good God does.

  • It's not healthy.

  • It's extremely toxic.

  • And I know this story is not real.

  • I know this is just mythology.

  • This did not happen, almost definitely.

  • But there are millions of people that think it actually did.

  • And they think that this is the lesson to get out of it.

  • And that's scary.

  • It's really scary that so many people actually read this and they find comfort and hope and inspiration from it.

  • They're inspired by a man who was willing to kill his own kid.

  • And they don't consider Isaac in this scenario.

  • They don't consider Abraham in this scenario, really.

  • You know, all they care about is that God won.

  • God got what he wanted.

  • For what?

  • What's the purpose?

  • Where does this lead to?

  • I don't want to follow a God that asks people to kill their kid.

  • I don't want to follow a God that killed his own kid.

  • I don't want to follow a God that uses human sacrifice as a means for salvation.

  • And I know that's what this sets it up for.

  • Well, it doesn't set it up for that.

  • Christians have taken this text, have appropriated it, and applied it to their religion.

  • This is not their text.

  • This is not their story.

  • But they use the story as kind of a symbolism for the sacrifice of Jesus.

  • You know, God gave up his only son.

  • He was willing to do it.

  • I get it.

  • I understand the symbolism.

  • But it doesn't change the fact that it's messed up.

  • That human sacrifice is not how people should be forgiven.

  • And that if God is all powerful and can do whatever he wants, then there's no reason that he needs to be requiring sacrifice in order for people to be forgiven.

  • The whole system is messed up.

  • And sometimes I feel like I'm going crazy when people around me are like, yeah, that's totally fine and normal.

  • It's great, actually.

  • We love it.

  • Give us more.

  • So they'll say that the point is, you know, that God provided and Abraham didn't do it.

  • But I think they're missing my point, which is that Abraham was willing to do it in the first place.

  • And that's kind of where I land.

  • You might have some thoughts of your own.

  • I'd love to hear those in the comments.

  • You might see this very differently than I do, and that's OK.

  • But I like sharing my perspective.

  • I like hearing your perspective.

  • And I like just having this time to kind of explore these ideas, to explore these things that we were taught to believe, turn them around, flip them on their head, you know, break them apart, rebuild it, figure out where are we at in all of this?

  • Where is how we feel in all of this?

  • And that should matter, that should matter the most, how do I feel about this when it comes to spirituality and what you get out of these ancient texts?

  • It's it's all about how you interpret it, what you get out of it.

  • And if you don't feel good about it, you don't get something out of it.

  • Then it's time to just discard it and move on.

  • And that's just how I feel.

  • But let me know what you thought in the comments.

  • I loved going through the story.

  • I'm really excited for for the next Bible story we'll be we'll be doing and many more. So, yeah, thank you so much for watching and I'll see you next time.

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