You'reinvitedto a realEnglishconversationwithmeandmyhusband, Dan.
Hi.
We'regoingtobetalkingabouteducationtoday.
YouaskedusyourtopeducationquestionsinEnglish, andwe'regoingtohave a chitchataboutthosequestions, immerseyouinEnglish, and I hopeyouwillendupontheothersideofthisconversationwith a higherlevelofvocabulary, moreconfidenceaboutspeakinginEnglish, andyou'llenjoyitalongtheway.
I have a littlestatistichere I lookedupinadvance, fancy.
Privateschools, 9% ofstudentsgoto a privateschoolandparentshavetopayextrafor a privateschool.
Itcouldbe a religiousprivateschool.
Itcouldbe a secularprivateschool.
Ourchild, Theo-
He's probablyinthe 1% becausehegoesto a natureschool.
It's notreligiousbased.
He's inthe 0.5%.
It's a veryunusualprivateschool, butthere's alsoothertypesofprivateschools, like a natureschoolwherehalfofthedaytheyspendtimeoutsideinthewoodsortheteacherstrytoincorporatetheoutsidenatureintothelessons.
A lotoftimestheseschoolswillcallthemselvesalternativeeducation.
SoifyoucometotheUSandyouthink, I wantmykidtohavethebesteducation, I think I canaffordtopayforprivateschool, makesureyoucheckitoutfirstandmakesurethatit's actuallythequalitythatyouwant.
Thereare a lotofscholarshipsactually.
Sotheschoolthatoursongoesto, a lotofpeoplehavean 80% scholarshiptogototheschool, whichmakesitveryaffordable.
Andpublicschoolhasgottenkindoflike a badreputationaswell.
I mean, there's varyingqualities, but a lotofpeoplewheretheylive, theirschoolisnotverygood.
Andit's notjustteachers.
It's alsolikethepeersyou'rewithandit's kindof, I don't know.
I mean, obviously I teachatanalternativeschool, so I don't, I'm not a bigfanofthetraditionalmodeland I don't likeallthebureaucracyandnottosaythatthere's not a lotofgoodheartedpeopleinthesystem.
I justthinkthatthesystemis, well, itmightsound a littlecliche, butit's broken.
Yeah.
SothosearethegeneraloptionsintheUS.
And I thinkthecoolthingisthatifyouchooseanalternativeoption, privateschool, charterschool, homeschooling, it's notseenasveryweird.
InAmerica, ifyoudosomethingdifferentlikethat, people, theymaylikesometimesgoandlikewhisperaboutitorlikesay, I don't reallyagreewiththat, butthey'llnevertellyoutoyourfacethattheyhave a problemwiththat, justlike a decisionyoumightmake, especially a personaldecision.
Danwashomeschooleduntilhowold?
Yes.
Until 13.
I think.
Yeah.
It's untilmiddleschool.
Andthat's prettycool.
Yes.
And I feellikehomeschoolingtodayiswaybetterthanitwaswhen I was a kid.
Waymoreresources.
I thinkthatwhat I experienced, I don't wantformykids, buttoday I cankindoffeasiblyseehowyoucan, youknow, buildupcertainsocialexposures, havecertaingroups.
Yeah.
There's a tonofresourcesonline.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Andyourmomcertainlydidthebestthatshecoulddo.
Ohyeah.
Mymomdid a goodjob.
I thinkitwasjustformepersonally, I don't thinklikeitfitwhat I probablyneededas a child.
So I thinkyes, peoplegenerallygoto, wewouldsaycollege, but I think a lotoftheworldwouldsayuniversity.
I don't knowthepercentage, but I wouldsay.
What's yourguess?
What's yourguess?
Is a goodtime?
No.
75%.
Wow.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay.
Whatisit?
Okay.
No, no, no.
It's not 92%.
61%.
I thinkthisisshowingyour, yourbiasbecause- 50%.
I don't knowwhichwaythebiasis.
Let's saythat.
Soforus, wehave a four-yeardegreeandthat's whatyoucallit.
Whenyougotocollegeforfouryears, youcouldhave a two-yeardegree.
It's calledanassociate's degreeor a four-yeardegree.
Andwehavefour-yeardegrees.
And I thinkthere's beensomestudiesthatshowlikeifyouhave a four-yeardegree, mostofthepeopleinyoursocialcirclealsohavethesameorclosetothesamelevelofeducation.
Yeah.
Everybody I knowisedumacated.
Sothat's whyyouthinkit's sohigh.
Dangit.
I shouldhavethoughtaboutthat.
Okay.
Soin, let's compareit 1990 to 19 orto 2021.
Okay.
In 1990, thepeoplewhograduatedhighschoolwere 77%.
So 77% ofstudentsgraduatedfromhighschooland 20% ofpeoplegraduatedfromcollege.
However, I think I haveheardfromcertain, likeourneighbor, I thinkshesaidshewasthefirsttogotocollegeandlikeitwaslikelookeduponaslikegreat, butitwasn't likeexpected.
I wouldsayanywherebetween $30,000 and $200,000 for a fouryeardegree, dependingonifyougoto a communitycollegeorifyougoto a stateschoolorifyougoto a privateschool, itcanrangeanywhereinthere.
Andthat's a bigburdenfor a youngpersonstartingoffintheircareertohavetopaythoseloans.
Thestateschoolsaren't cheaporfree?
Theyarenotcheapandthey'renotfree.
They'recheaperthanprivateschools.
It's a verycomplicatedsystem, but I think I'm a littleignorantinthisrealmbecause
I haven't thoughtaboutcollegein a while, but, youknow, wewentto a smallprivateschoolandlikethat's knownforbeinglikeprettyexpensive.
Forme, I hadtoget a lotofscholarshipstogotothatschool.
If I wasgoingtogotothatschool, I hadtohave a lotofmoneyalreadypaidfor, otherwiseitwasjusttooexpensive.
But I thinkit's interestingbecauseofourexperience, wefelt, I canspeakforyoutoo, wefeltprettyburdened, eventhoughwehadscholarships, wefeltprettyburdenedpostcollegetopaybackourstudentloans.
I thinkit's a clicheamongpeopleouragethatcollegeisnotworthitandthatit's justwaytooexpensiveforwhatyougetoutofitanditdoesn't reallyprepareyouandallthisstuff.
I thinkifyougraduatedlike 2005 to 2010, aroundthat, 2000, maybeeven 15 inthatrange, youprobablyfeellikeusthatyourdegreedoesnotmeanyouwillget a goodpayingjob.
It's not a giventhatthatwillhappen.
Yeah.
I thinkinitiallywhenwewenttocollege, therewaslike a transitionalphasewhereeverythingwasgetting, itwasgetting a lotmoreexpensiveandthatcostbenefitanalysiswasmaybemakinglesssense, but a lotofourfamilieswerestillsayingthesamemessagethatyoujusthavetogoevenifyou'renotevensurewhatyouwanttodo, whichwasinmycase, which I thinkdidn't helpme.
Yeah.
Well, myjobdidn't evenexistwhen I wenttocollege.
ThisjobteachingEnglishonlinewasnotevenanoption.
So I don't know.
It's tricky.
Yeah.
And I don't knowexactlywhatthefuture, I don't knowwhatthefutureholds, but I feelliketheworldchangesreally, reallyfastandthat I willcertainlynottellmychildrentheyhavetogotocollegeandthatlikethiswillmakeallthedifference.
Unfortunately, I don't feellikemyparentsdidthat, buttheirgenerationreallywasthelastgenerationwhosaid, I'llget a universitydegreeandthatwillgiveme a goodjob.
Anyway, whoknowswhatwillhappeninthenext 10 to 15 yearsforourkids, but I certainlywon't pressurethemand I won't feeldisappointediftheydecidenottogotocollegeaslongastheyareindependentadults, youknow, tryingtodosomethingdifferent.
And I'm goingtotransitiontothelastquestionandskiponequestionactually, becauseit's a, I thinkyou'reabouttosaysomethingaboutit.
Oh, am I?
I guess.
Okay.
Becauseithastodowithwhathappensifyoudon't get a collegedegree?
Isithardtofind a jobifyoudon't have a universitydegree?
I did a littlebitofresearchaboutthis, butwhat's yourgutsay?
Ifyoudon't get a universitydegree, isithardertoget a job?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Likeifyoudidn't have a degreerightnow, wouldyourprospectsbemoredifficult?
Itprobablyis.
I don't thinkithastobe, but I dothinkthat, I don't knowif I'veactuallyreadlike a studyaboutthis, but I think I heardin a podcastthatthatislikesomethingthatemployerswilllookatandthey'llbelike, allright, checkoffforyourdegree.
Likethey'lljustkindofassumethatthatmeans a lot.
So I dothinkitdoesmeansomething.
Unfortunately, I don't thinkithastobe.
I thinkthatyoucanprobablyreallygetwelleducatedwithoutitnowadays.
And I thinkthatmightevenbepreferablewhenyouconsiderhowmuchitcosts.
Sootherthanlike, there's a lotofsocialexperiences.
However, a lotofthesocialexperiencesarelikegettingreallydrunkandmisbehavingandstuffthatdoesn't reallyhaveanythingtodowithkeeping a job.
ThestereotypeofAmericancollegeisthatyoujustgothere, getdrunk, sleepwith a lotofpeople, andthenmaybeyoustumbleintoclassonce a week.
Yeah.
Itdoesn't reallymakeanysenseatall.
Andthenyoupaylotsofmoneyforthat.
Thatwasn't mycollegeexperience, butthatiscertainlywhathappensto a lotofpeople.
Soyeah.
But I'm stillsayingthatitdoes, unfortunately, probablystillmatter.
Yeah.
I wouldsaythatthat's probablythecaseforspecificcareers.
Sowhat I sawwaslike, youknow, ofcourse, ifyou'regoingtobe a doctor, ifyou'regoingtobeanengineer, ifyou'regoingtobelikeinthemedicalfield, you'rethoseveryspecifictechnicaltypeofjobsthatrequireeducation.
Thateducationisprobablynecessary.
Butforothercareers, what I readonlinesaid, is a collegedegreenecessary?
I feellikeyoucanlearnmaybenotanything, but a lotofthingsintwoyears.
Yeah.
Butitdoesn't havetobefouryears.
Soitsaid, ifyouwant a jobthatusuallysayswerequire a degreeortheyhighlyrecommend a degreeintheirapplication, maybelike a softwareengineerorsomethinglikethis.
Ifyouareanassertivepersonwhohasdone a lotofalternativeexperiences, nowthistakes a specificpersonalitytype, I think.