We shop for partners like we shop for shit on Amazon.

It's not like everybody's going to find somebody.

Is the design of the modern world making it more difficult, do you think, for us to find love?

Well, simple answer is it's definitely added a layer of complication because now love is treated like shopping.

You know, we shop for partners like we shop for shit on Amazon.

It's like you scroll through, you find one that looks good and you click like.

Good reviews.

And yeah, good reviews.

Look, it's definitely convenient and it's definitely made life a lot easier.

And you never have to deal with rejection because you don't know if they swiped left on you.

You just assume that they never saw your picture, right?

Like it doesn't actually say rejected, you know?

I think the problem with it is grass is always greener because it's so easy, you know, to just go swiping and, you know, sometimes you treat it like Instagram.

I've done this where I've sat in my bed late at night.

Instead of looking at social media, I'm looking at a dating app and I'm swiping right.

Like I'm clicking like on a post and then it says you're connected.

I'm like, ah, damn it.

Because I don't actually want to like go through the effort of like connecting.

I was just, I was just liking the post, you know?

Scott Galloway talks about this.

I can't remember what the numbers are, but the point is, is there's a massive disparity of men that just don't ever connect.

So I think, um, you know, the dating apps aren't necessarily there.

That's one thing, you know?

It's not like everybody's going to find somebody, but I do think that there's something wrong with shopping for people.

Pre-dating apps, or let's not pre-dating apps, when there's no dating app being used, the way that we traditionally would meet somebody is you meet them at a party, at a dinner party, you meet them at the pub, you bump into them at a museum, you make small talk or you eye them from across the room and there's some attraction.

And then one of you musters up the courage to go up and start flirting and have a conversation.

And at some point you say, can I get your number?

I'd love to continue this.

And they'll say yes or no.

And the flirting and the initial attraction has already happened.

And so the first date is actually the first date after the initial attraction and flirting.

Now with dating apps, the flirting, the initial attraction, the attempt to court someone is all happening simultaneously on the first date.

And I think that there's nothing wrong with online, but I think that making an effort to do, you know, in real life things should be included, should be balanced.

You know, it's like, like everything in the world, I'm a great believer in balance.

I'm not against it.

I'm talking about balance and it's out of balance.