And if I'm not trying to say that all pornography is bad, but there are good data to support the idea that if your brain learns to be aroused by watching other people have sex, it is not necessarily going to carry over to the ability to get aroused when you're one-on-one with somebody else, especially young kids who are consuming a lot of pornography, the brain is learning sexual arousal to other people having sex.

我並不是想說所有的色情作品都是不好的，但有很好的數據支持這樣的觀點：如果你的大腦通過觀察別人做愛而學會了性興奮，那麼當你和別人一對一地做愛時，它並不一定會延續到性興奮的能力上，尤其是那些正在大量消費色情作品的年輕孩子，他們的大腦正在學習對別人做愛產生性興奮。

So you're going to program yourself into being a voyeur?

所以你要把自己編程成一個偷窺狂？

Yeah, or just create challenges in sexual interactions with a real partner.

是的，或者只是在與真正伴侶的性互動中製造挑戰。

Mary Harrington has the three laws of porno dynamics, and the second law of porno dynamics is the law of fap entropy.

瑪麗-哈靈頓（Mary Harrington）提出了色情動態三定律，而色情動態二定律就是 "色情熵定律"。

And it says that whatever you start out wanking to will get progressively more intense over time.

它還說，無論你一開始手淫什麼，隨著時間的推移，都會變得越來越強烈。

And I think that this is sort of speaking to that ever, ever sort of escalating amount of the wildness that you need to watch in order to get an ever decreasing stimulus that comes back.

我認為，這正說明，為了獲得不斷減少的刺激，你需要觀察的野生動物數量不斷增加。

Yeah.

是啊

And you know, here, I'm approaching this only through the lens of biology, right?

你知道，在這裡，我只是從生物學的角度來看待這個問題，對嗎？

I'm not a, you know, I'm not a psychologist, and I'm certainly not political in it in any way.

我不是一個，你知道，我不是一個心理學家，當然，我也沒有任何政治色彩。

At least I have ideas about politics, but I just don't discuss them publicly.

至少我對政治是有想法的，只是不公開討論而已。

But the idea here is that, you know, I'm not saying pornography as a stimulus is bad or good.

但我想說的是，我並不是說色情作為一種刺激是好是壞。

What I'm saying is in its availability and its extreme forms, it's a very potent stimulus and very potent stimuli of any kind, extremely palatable food, extreme pornography, extreme experiences like bungee cord jumping, those set a threshold for dopamine release.

我想說的是，在它的可用性和極端形式下，它是一種非常強烈的刺激，任何一種非常強烈的刺激，如極度美味的食物、極端色情、蹦極等極端體驗，都會為多巴胺的釋放設定一個閾值。

And Ana will tell you that, and I'm sure she did, that the higher the dopamine peak, the bigger the drop afterwards.

安娜會告訴你，我相信她也會告訴你，多巴胺峰值越高，之後的下降幅度就越大。

And it's not that you drop to baseline, you drop below baseline.

不是降到基線，而是降到基線以下。

So again, it's not, these things aren't good or bad.

所以還是那句話，這些東西沒有好壞之分。

They just have to be controlled in a way because when people are pursuing dopamine peaks over and over and over, and they aren't getting them, typically it's because they've been pursuing that activity far too often.

因為當人們一次又一次地追求多巴胺峰值時，如果他們沒有得到多巴胺峰值，通常是因為他們追求這種活動的次數太多了。

And you're saying perhaps take a break from that, and there may be an ability for yourself, your system to reset.

你的意思是說，也許你可以從中休息一下，這樣你自己、你的系統就有可能重啟。

Right.

對

Yeah.

是啊

Yeah.

是啊

I mean, in theory, all the things that we're talking about with pornography could be superimposed onto food or could be superimposed onto real sex, right?

我的意思是，從理論上講，我們談論的所有色情內容都可以疊加到食物上，或者疊加到真正的性愛上，對嗎？

That one also has to be cautious there, right?

那個人也要謹慎，對嗎？

But the cycling back and forth between dopamine and low dopamine states, dopamine fasting as it were, but maybe just low dopamine states.

但在多巴胺和低多巴胺狀態之間來回循環，多巴胺禁食，但也許只是低多巴胺狀態。

These are natural rhythms that existed in the nervous system.

這些都是存在於神經系統中的自然節奏。

We have to remember what the dopaminergic system is there for.

我們必須記住多巴胺能系統的作用。

I'll say it again.

我再說一遍。

I wasn't consulted at the design phase, but we know as a generic form of motivation and pursuit.

在設計階段，我沒有被徵求過意見，但我們知道這是一種通用的動機和追求。