And it seems to indicate that, yeah, there are some things Americans like, but a growing list of things that they don't like.

這似乎表明，是的，美國人喜歡一些東西，但不喜歡的東西也越來越多。

Yeah, I think that's exactly right.

是的，我認為這完全正確。

I mean, look, Trump came in, he had a positive net approval rating.

我的意思是，你看，特朗普上臺時，他的淨支持率是正數。

His approval rating was above his disapproval rating, and it made folks like me go, whoa, we never saw that during Trump's first term.

他的支持率高於不支持率，這讓我等人不禁感嘆，哇，我們在特朗普的第一個任期內從未見過這種情況。

And then all of a sudden this week, the numbers started coming in from a month in, and what did we see?

突然，本週開始有了一個月以來的數據，我們看到了什麼？

We saw Trump underwater in our CNN poll.

我們在 CNN 的民調中看到特朗普處於劣勢。

We saw Trump underwater in the Quinnipiac University poll.

我們看到特朗普在昆尼皮亞克大學的民調中處於劣勢。

We saw Trump underwater in the Washington Post-Ipsos poll, and so on, so forth.

我們看到特朗普在《華盛頓郵報-益普索》的民調中處於劣勢，諸如此類。

So he's clearly underwater now.

所以，他現在顯然在水下。

He's in a better position than he was, let's say, for most of his first term, but it's going in the wrong direction, and it's going in the wrong direction at the same time that folks are saying this economy ain't so hot to try.

可以說，他現在的處境比他第一任期的大部分時間都要好，但方向是錯的，而且是在人們都說經濟沒那麼好的時候。

It's coming at a time in which his economic approval ratings stink, far worse than during his first term.

而此時，他的經濟支持率卻十分糟糕，遠不如他的第一任期。

There are a lot of warning signs for Donald Trump and the numbers that came out.

對於唐納德-特朗普和公佈的數據，有很多警示信號。

Yeah, I mean, look, you could argue that everybody's numbers go down, right?

是啊，我是說，你可以說每個人的數據都在下降，對吧？

Like no president goes up.

就像沒有總統上臺一樣。

They always go down.

它們總是在下降。

However, what's striking to me, and the question that keeps turning over in my head is, does the man even care?

然而，令我震驚的是，我腦子裡一直在想一個問題，那就是，這個人在乎嗎？

He's supposedly not running again, although he keeps joking about maybe he will, but do poll numbers even matter if your name is Donald Trump right now?

據說他不會再參選了，雖然他一直開玩笑說也許會參選，但如果你現在叫唐納德-特朗普，民調數字還重要嗎？

Yes and no.

是，也不是。

I think that he picks and chooses what information he chooses to believe, so as long as he can find some poll numbers that have him looking like he's doing really well.

我認為，只要他能找到一些讓他看起來表現很好的民調數字，他就會選擇相信哪些資訊。

But what he does care about is things like the stock market and the Dow Jones closing low because of risks of tariff and because of tariffs in some of his trade policies.

但他關心的是股市和道瓊斯指數因關稅風險和他的一些貿易政策中的關稅而收盤走低這樣的事情。

That actually does resonate with him.

事實上，這確實能引起他的共鳴。

When I worked with him, he'd always have Fox Business on in the outer oval and just want to see every day how the markets close.

我和他共事的時候，他總是在外側的橢圓形區域播放《福克斯財經》，每天都想看看市場是如何收盤的。

So if he feels like he's looking weak on the world stage and if he's feel like the economy is not moving quickly enough, that is something he'll react to.

是以，如果他覺得自己在世界舞臺上顯得軟弱無力，如果他覺得經濟發展不夠快，他就會對此做出反應。

And I've said to my friends in Trump world, they should not take too much with this endorsement of the fact that he won and he won the popular vote, which was a surprise to some.

我對我在特朗普圈子裡的朋友說，他們不應該過多地認可他獲勝的事實，他贏得了普選，這讓一些人感到意外。

He was very clearly elected on two things he's good at, securing the border and allegedly addressing the economy.

他的當選顯然有兩點是他擅長的，一是確保邊境安全，二是據稱要解決經濟問題。

All of these other things are reminding people they might like the idea of Donald Trump better than Donald Trump himself.

所有這些事情都在提醒人們，比起唐納德-特朗普本人，他們可能更喜歡唐納德-特朗普的想法。

And to piggyback off of that, and I was here a couple of weeks ago and I bemoaned that there was so much focus on DEI and I said that Americans were concerned about the economy and we're seeing now, because I saw your report on yesterday, that's where Donald Trump is failing most.

幾周前，我曾在這裡抱怨說，人們如此關注發展投資，我說美國人關心的是經濟，而我們現在看到的是，因為我看到了你們昨天的報道，這正是唐納德-特朗普最失敗的地方。

Well, not failing, but that's where the issue is with Donald Trump regarding the economy.

好吧，不是失敗，但這就是唐納德-特朗普在經濟方面的問題所在。

People are, there's not a lot of pushback that you see around the immigration policy.

人們對移民政策的反彈並不多。

We see that about 93 border engagements or maybe about 93% ICE arrests are doubled now what they were.

我們看到，約有 93 次邊境交戰，或者說約有 93% 的 ICE 逮捕人數比以前翻了一番。

Donald Trump has done some things around IVF treatment.

唐納德-特朗普圍繞試管嬰兒治療做了一些事情。

And I think that that's a very good thing as an extension of what Donald Trump did when he was in office where it was through the Veterans Administration, the Veterans Health Administration, they were focusing on providing IVF treatment to veterans and their families.

我認為這是一件非常好的事情，是唐納德-特朗普在任時所做工作的延伸，他通過退伍軍人管理局（Veterans Administration）、退伍軍人健康管理局（Veterans Health Administration），專注於為退伍軍人及其家人提供試管嬰兒治療。

So those types of things are important.

是以，這類事情很重要。

But I think what you said in addition to the economy, it is how people feel in, are you being reminded about the things you don't necessarily like about Donald Trump?

但我認為，你所說的除了經濟，還有人們對唐納德-特朗普的感覺，你是否被提醒了那些你不一定喜歡的事情？

Economic anxiety is the thing that the Trump campaign ran on and I think that he won on.

經濟焦慮是特朗普競選活動的主旋律，我認為他也是靠這一點獲勝的。

Well, that economic anxiety still exists.

那麼，這種經濟焦慮仍然存在。

And I know because 899 was the cause of AIDS.

我之所以知道，是因為 899 是艾滋病的誘因。

Oh, I got hit with the 850 yesterday.

哦，我昨天中了 850 彈。

Not to one-up you, but I paid like 999 today.

不是我比你高明，但我今天花了 999 塊錢。

Across the street from my house.

就在我家對面。

But the point is, where's the focus on the bird flu and the AIDS crisis?

但問題是，禽流感和艾滋病危機的關注點在哪裡？

But I am fascinated by you saying that he is joking about running again.

但你說他在開玩笑說要再次參選，這讓我很著迷。

I'm saying, he claims it's a joke.

我是說，他說這是個玩笑。

I don't know if it's a joke.

我不知道這是不是個玩笑。

Was it the White House Twitter account that put out the thing that called him the king?

是白宮的推特賬戶發佈了稱他為國王的消息嗎？

Right.

對

The convention this weekend with all these people talking about the idea of him running again.

本週末的大會上，所有這些人都在談論他再次參選的想法。

These ain't no jokes.

這不是玩笑

Like deep down inside, this is serious.

就像在內心深處，這是認真的。

And the reason this terrifies me is there is no joke.

這讓我感到恐懼，因為這不是玩笑。

You're not supposed, you can't run again if you're in his position.

如果你處於他的位置，你就不能再參選了。

So if the joke is that you're running again, there is not going to be an election if this is going to be the thing that you are going to do.

是以，如果有人開玩笑說你要再次參選，那麼如果你打算這麼做的話，就不會有選舉了。

So when we start talking about his polling numbers, I'm fascinated by that because it is almost as though we are treating him like a president who could run again.

是以，當我們開始談論他的民調數字時，我對此非常著迷，因為這幾乎就好像我們把他當成了一位可以再次參選的總統。

Now that could be deleterious to the party itself if he has terrible numbers and then you get to a midterm election and everybody goes down.

如果他的支持率很低，到中期選舉時，每個人都會倒下，這可能會對黨本身造成損害。

But for him, at least in theory, the polling doesn't matter.

但對他來說，至少在理論上，民意調查並不重要。

That's the beauty of being a second term president.

這就是連任總統的魅力所在。

That's the complaint about Obama's second term was what did you have to lose this time?

這就是對奧巴馬第二任期的抱怨，這次你又有什麼損失呢？

You could have done a whole bunch of other stuff.

你還可以做很多其他的事情。

So when we start talking about him in the context of polling numbers, I feel like we're looking at him in a way that legitimizes the potential for what could really happen, which is there might not be a 2028 election, at least the way that these people are behaving as though that is not in their plans.

是以，當我們開始在民調數字的背景下談論他時，我覺得我們看待他的方式使可能發生的事情合法化了，那就是可能不會有2028年的選舉，至少這些人的行為方式好像這不在他們的計劃之內。

I mean, who knows?

我是說，誰知道呢？

But the fact that we're even saying who knows is wild.

但事實上，我們連 "誰知道 "這個問題都說出來了，這就太瘋狂了。

That could happen.

這種情況有可能發生。

I'm not even going to go into it, but Harry.

我不想多說，但哈利

No, I think there are two things going on.

不，我認為有兩件事正在發生。

Number one, if you look at the betting markets, I occasionally look at them, who's going to be the Republican nominee come 2028?

第一，如果你看看博彩市場，我偶爾會看看，2028年誰會成為共和黨提名人？

Donald Trump isn't a zero.

唐納德-特朗普不是零。

Is that what they're saying?

他們是這麼說的嗎？

There are a few folks who are betting on it.

有一些人正在為此下注。

I think it was like trading at like 7% or something along those lines.

我想它的交易價格大概在 7% 左右。

It's not the craziest thing we might've ever heard.

這並不是我們聽過的最瘋狂的事情。

But I'll also say this, we talk about why Donald Trump was elected in that first place, right?

但我也要說，我們首先要討論的是唐納德-特朗普為什麼會當選，對嗎？

He was elected immigration, where folks actually like what he's doing in immigration, and he was elected to fix the economy where people really don't like what he's doing at this particular point.

他當選的目的是解決移民問題，人們其實很喜歡他在移民問題上所做的工作，而他當選的目的是解決經濟問題，人們其實並不喜歡他在這一點上所做的工作。

What he was not necessarily elected to do was put Elon Musk in the position that he is in with Doge.

他當選的目的並不一定是讓埃隆-馬斯克（Elon Musk）處於 Doge 的地位。

And if you ask voters, what is the number one thing you dislike about what Donald Trump has done so far in his second term?

如果你問選民，對於唐納德-特朗普在第二任期內的所作所為，你最不喜歡的是什麼？

It's that dismantling of the federal agencies, it's the firing of those folks, and it's putting Elon Musk in that position that he is right now, and it's so far blowing up in his face, at least when it comes to the public opinion polls.

這是對聯邦機構的解散，是對這些人的解僱，是把埃隆-馬斯克推到了他現在的位置上，而到目前為止，至少在民意調查中，這一切都讓他顏面盡失。

Let me play from this really blow up of a town hall that Congressman Rich McCormick got in Georgia, a kind of rural part of the state.

讓我播放一下里奇-麥考密克議員在佐治亞州鄉村地區舉行的市民大會。

Just listen to this.

聽聽這個

Tyranny is rising in the White House, and a man has declared himself our king.

暴政在白宮抬頭，一個人宣佈自己是我們的國王。

So I would like to know, rather, the people would like to know what you, congressmen, and your fellow congressmen are going to do to rein in the megalomaniac in the White House.

是以，我想知道，更確切地說，人民想知道，國會議員們，你們和你們的國會議員同事們打算做些什麼來遏制白宮裡的自大狂。

When you talk about tyranny, when you talk about presidential power, I remember having the same discussion with Republicans when Biden was elected.

當你談到暴政，當你談到總統權力時，我記得拜登當選時也曾與共和黨人進行過同樣的討論。

I stand corrected, a more suburban district, but a pretty safe seat for him, and it was like that for the whole town hall.

我沒說錯，是個郊區選區，但對他來說是個相當安全的席位，整個市政廳都是這樣。

It was not pretty.

它並不漂亮。

I think one thing that gets lost about the federal government is that it is the number one employer in the United States, and no matter what people think about government employees not working hard enough, you don't have the job security, whatever it is, once you start having mass layoffs at the number one employer in America, that is going to not just affect the people you're talking to, the people related to, the people that you're talking to all the way around.

我認為，聯邦政府是美國的頭號僱主，無論人們如何看待政府僱員工作不夠努力、工作沒有保障等問題，一旦美國的頭號僱主開始大規模裁員，影響的將不僅僅是與你交談的人、與你相關的人、與你一路交談的人。

That is, I think that seemed like a better play in their minds than it's turning out to be in application, especially since it doesn't appear to make any sense.

也就是說，我認為這在他們心目中似乎比實際應用中更好，尤其是這似乎沒有任何意義。

So it's not polls that may be angry constituents, may be congresspeople freaking out, may be Jesse Watters freaking out.

所以這不是民調，可能是憤怒的選民，可能是抓狂的國會議員，可能是抓狂的傑西-沃特斯。

I don't know.

我不知道。

Do we have time to play Jesse Watters?

我們有時間玩傑西-沃特斯嗎？

Let's play it real quick.

我們來快速播放一下。

He just found out he's probably gonna get laid off.

他剛發現自己可能要被解僱了。

He's gonna get doged.

他會被狗咬的

This guy's not a DEI consultant.

這傢伙不是 DEI 的顧問。

This guy's not a climate consultant.

這傢伙不是氣候顧問。

You know, this guy is a veteran.

要知道，這傢伙可是個老手。

We just need to be a little bit less callous with the way, Harold, we talk about doging people.

哈羅德，我們只是需要在談論 "虐待 "人的方式上少一點冷酷無情。

Thousands of bureaucrats woke up today to a big, you're fired.

今天，成千上萬的官僚們一覺醒來，就看到了一個大大的 "你被解僱了"。

Doge is dishing out spankings like daddy daycare.

Doge打起屁股來就像爸爸的託兒所。

Even the holiday weekend couldn't slow Doge down.

即使是週末假期，也沒能讓 Doge 慢下來。

There was a huge exodus over at the National Archives for snickety librarians were getting doged silly.

國家檔案館的館員們都傻眼了，他們紛紛離開了國家檔案館。

The Dewey Decimal System's next.

下一個是杜威十進制系統。

Doge is a blessing from the heavens above.

Doge 是上天的恩賜。

Well, somebody woke up and discovered that the federal government employs a lot of veterans.

有人一覺醒來，發現聯邦政府僱傭了很多退伍軍人。

It seems like that Jesse Watters agrees with me that Republicans should stop demonizing federal workers.

傑西-沃特斯似乎同意我的觀點，共和黨人應該停止妖魔化聯邦工作人員。

To his point, I know a guy down in Alabama.

關於他的觀點，我在阿拉巴馬州認識一個人。

First time getting a government job.

第一次在政府部門工作

He had, you know, fresh out of college, had been trying to get a job for a couple of years now.

他剛從大學畢業，幾年來一直在找工作。

Finally got that government job, I think about six months ago.

終於找到了那份政府工作，我想大概是六個月前吧。

Well, he's laid off now.

他現在失業了

So his kid, his wife, all of that promise, it's totally gone.

所以，他的孩子、他的妻子、所有的承諾，都一去不復返了。

And I think your point is right.

我認為你的觀點是正確的。

Once people start seeing, because when we think of federal government, for many anti-government people, they think DMV, meaning DC, Maryland, and Virginia.

一旦人們開始看到，因為當我們想到聯邦政府時，對於許多反政府人士來說，他們會想到 DMV，即華盛頓特區、馬里蘭州和弗吉尼亞州。

They don't see federal government as someone working, living in a rural area of Mississippi, commuting to a job at the Department of Agriculture.

在他們眼中，聯邦政府並不是一個住在密西西比州農村地區，每天往返於農業部工作的人。

They don't see them as federal workers, which is why it's always easy to just say, shut them down, they'll get paid.

他們並不認為這些人是聯邦工作人員，這就是為什麼總是很容易就說，讓他們停工，他們就能拿到工資。

Yeah.

是啊

That's not how it works.

事情不是這樣的。

And we will find out a lot more stories like that in the coming weeks.

未來幾周，我們還會發現更多類似的故事。