In some of these cases, judges say Democrats haven't proved these cuts are causing any harm as President Trump touts the work Elon Musk and Doge are doing.

在其中一些案件中，法官們表示，在特朗普總統吹捧埃隆-馬斯克（Elon Musk）和 Doge 所做的工作時，民主黨人並沒有證明這些削減造成了任何傷害。

I have today the highest poll numbers I've ever had.

我今天的民調數字是有史以來最高的。

They like the job that Elon's doing.

他們喜歡伊隆的工作。

He's doing something that a lot of people wouldn't have the courage to do.

他做了很多人都沒有勇氣做的事情。

We want our country to survive and thrive.

我們希望我們的國家能夠生存和發展。

And we're finding billions and billions of dollars of waste, fraud and abuse, billions.

我們發現了數十億美元的浪費、欺詐和濫用，數十億美元。

And I mean, numbers like you wouldn't believe.

我的意思是，這些數字讓你難以置信。

And we haven't even started yet.

我們還沒開始呢。

Constitutional law attorney and former federal prosecutor Katie Cherkasky joins us now.

憲法律師、前聯邦檢察官凱蒂-切爾卡斯基（Katie Cherkasky）現在加入我們。

Katie, welcome.

凱蒂，歡迎你。

So this has been an interesting week.

這一週過得很有意思。

The left pushing back on these changes and the courts siding with Elon Musk.

左翼對這些變化進行反擊，而法院則支持埃隆-馬斯克。

I want you to talk about these cases.

我想讓你談談這些案例。

Can I tell you my favorite one is the Catholic Church going up against the U.S.

我能告訴你我最喜歡的是天主教會對抗美國嗎？

Catholic Bishops Council saying you better give us the money and Elon Musk winning in that case, although I think it's up for appeal.

天主教主教理事會說，你最好把錢給我們，而埃隆-馬斯克在這起案件中獲勝，儘管我認為還需要上訴。

So talk to us about that and any other cases that you think are relevant.

是以，請與我們談談這個問題以及您認為相關的其他案例。

Yeah, absolutely.

是的，當然。

Well, I think the big picture with the Doge lawsuits is that many people on the left do not like the idea of what President Trump and Elon Musk are doing.

我認為，Doge 訴訟案的大背景是，許多左翼人士不喜歡特朗普總統和埃隆-馬斯克的所作所為。

But legally speaking, there's not a strong argument against why they cannot do that.

但從法律上講，他們不能這樣做的理由並不充分。

And certainly many people support President Trump.

當然，也有很多人支持特朗普總統。

He ran on this campaign promise to cut out the waste of the federal government.

他在競選時承諾要減少聯邦政府的浪費。

So the lawsuits primarily focus on ideas that they're a violation of the Privacy Act or other sensitive information type systems or that Elon Musk does not have the authority to do this job because he's not Senate approved.

是以，這些訴訟主要集中在以下觀點上：它們違反了《隱私法》或其他敏感資訊類型的系統，或者埃隆-馬斯克無權從事這項工作，因為他未經參議院準許。

And essentially, we've seen many of these lower court judges, even ones that were appointed by Democrat presidents, disagree, at least at these preliminary stages.

從根本上說，我們已經看到許多下級法院的法官，甚至是由民主黨總統任命的法官，都不同意，至少在這些初步階段是這樣。

So certainly there's a lot of momentum for Doge and the legal arguments behind these moves are very strong.

是以，Doge 的發展勢頭非常強勁，這些舉措背後的法律依據也非常有力。

Right, because Elon Musk is not Senate confirmed, but the power is vested in the president.

沒錯，因為埃隆-馬斯克沒有得到參議院的確認，但權力卻在總統手中。

He has given him the authority and there has something to do with the office that they took over that gives him the authority.

他給了他權力，而他們接手的辦公室也給了他權力。

Right.

對

This office that Obama had set up, that now they changed the name to Doge, which now gives Elon Musk authority to do this.

奧巴馬設立的這個辦公室，現在改名為 "總督"，埃隆-馬斯克是以有權這樣做。

Can you talk to me about the U.S., the U.S.

你能跟我談談美國嗎？

Council of Bishops Council case against Elon Musk and the Trump administration?

主教理事會起訴埃隆-馬斯克和特朗普政府？

Well, the case essentially involves the idea that the president does retain this authority to make broad decisions regarding any of the funds that go from the well, not the funding, essentially, but the agencies themselves.

這個案子主要涉及這樣一個觀點，即總統確實保留了對任何從井中流出的資金做出廣泛決定的權力，本質上不是資金，而是機構本身。

And the argument on the other side, of course, is that Congress dictates the funding.

當然，另一方的論點是，資金由國會決定。

But ultimately, big picture from the executive branch authority that does come from the White House.

但歸根結底，行政部門的大權確實來自白宮。

And he is entitled to have advisers that give him advice about how to handle that.

他有權請顧問就如何處理這一問題向他提出建議。

Elon Musk is not acting independent of the White House here.

埃隆-馬斯克的行為並不獨立於白宮。

He is acting at the behest of the president, which is something that the courts have recognized.

他是在總統的授意下行事，這是法院所承認的。

Yeah.

是啊

Well, that money, of course, to the Catholic bishops councils, a lot of the migration money, the refugee settlement money, all of that used for illegal immigration.

當然，給天主教主教團的那些錢，很多移民的錢，難民安置的錢，都是用於非法移民的。

And as we know, so much of that has to do with the children who have been lost.

我們知道，這很大程度上與失去的孩子們有關。

Three hundred thousand of them, of which so many of these NGOs, including the Catholic Church, are complicit in what has happened to these children.

其中有 30 萬名兒童，包括天主教會在內的許多非政府組織與這些兒童的遭遇同流合汙。

So, Katie Cherkasky, we thank you very much for joining us today.

凱蒂-切爾卡斯基，非常感謝你參加今天的節目。

Thank you.

謝謝。