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  • The world is changing

    世界正在變化

  • in some really profound ways,

    一些深刻的變化

  • and I worry that investors

    我擔心的是投資者

  • aren't paying enough attention

    沒有注意到

  • to some of the biggest drivers of change,

    世界變化的一些最強勁驅動力

  • especially when it comes to sustainability.

    特別是永續發展

  • And by sustainability, I mean the really juicy things,

    提到永續,我想真正有吸引力的是

  • like environmental and social issues

    環境和社會話題

  • and corporate governance.

    以及政府間的合作這樣的問題

  • I think it's reckless to ignore these things,

    我想忽視這些問題是草率的做法

  • because doing so can jeopardize

    因為忽視這些就會危害

  • future long-term returns.

    未來長期的收益

  • And here's something that may surprise you:

    有些事情會讓你吃驚:

  • the balance of power to really influence sustainability

    真正影響永續的權力平衡

  • rests with institutional investors,

    在於機構性投資者

  • the large investors like pension funds,

    大投資家喜歡養老基金

  • foundations and endowments.

    基金會和捐贈基金

  • I believe that sustainable investing

    我相信永續性投資

  • is less complicated than you think,

    並沒有你想得那麼複雜

  • better-performing than you believe,

    比你相信的要更容易操作

  • and more important than we can imagine.

    也比我們想像得要更重要

  • Let me remind you what we already know.

    我來提醒一下大家 那些我們已經知道的東西

  • We have a population that's both growing and aging;

    我們有一個不斷增長和老化的人口數量

  • we have seven billion souls today

    現在世界上有 70 億人口

  • heading to 10 billion

    本世紀末將

  • at the end of the century;

    達到 100 億

  • we consume natural resources

    我們消耗天然資源

  • faster than they can be replenished;

    其速度比自然資源的補充要快

  • and the emissions that are mainly responsible

    引起氣候變化的二氧化碳排放量

  • for climate change just keep increasing.

    在持續增加

  • Now clearly, these are environmental and social issues,

    現在很明顯 這些都是環境和社會問題

  • but that's not all.

    但那還不是全部

  • They're economic issues,

    這還是經濟問題

  • and that makes them relevant

    所以這些問題也

  • to risk and return.

    於風險和回報有關

  • And they are really complex

    它們真的很複雜

  • and they can seem really far off,

    看起來也真的很遙遠

  • that the temptation may be to do this:

    所以沒甚麼吸引力讓人們去做:

  • bury our heads in the sand and not think about it.

    把我們頭埋在沙子裡,不想這件事

  • Resist this, if you can. Don't do this at home.

    如果可能,不要這麼做 不要在家裡做這個

  • (Laughter)

    (笑聲)

  • But it makes me wonder

    不過這禁不住讓我想

  • if the investment rules of today

    今天的投資原理

  • are fit for purpose tomorrow.

    是否適合將來的目標

  • We know that investors,

    我們知道投資者

  • when they look at a company and decide whether to invest,

    如果他們想知道一家公司是否值得投資

  • they look at financial data,

    他們就去看財務資料

  • metrics like sales growth, cash flow, market share,

    如銷售增長、 現金流量、 市場份額

  • valuation -- you know, the really sexy stuff.

    市場估價這些指標 — — 你知道這些是很誘人的東西

  • And these things are fundamental, of course,

    這些東西是當然是最基本的

  • but they're not enough.

    但這還不夠

  • Investors should also look at performance metrics

    投資者還應看看性能指標

  • in what we call ESG:

    我們稱之為 ESG:

  • environment, social and governance.

    環境 (E)、 社會 (S) 和治理 (G)

  • Environment includes energy consumption,

    環境包括能源消耗

  • water availability, waste and pollution,

    水的供應、廢品和污染

  • just making efficient uses of resources.

    更有效地利用資源

  • Social includes human capital,

    社會包括人力資本

  • things like employee engagement

    像員工敬業程度

  • and innovation capacity,

    和創新能力這些方面

  • as well as supply chain management

    以及供應鏈的管理

  • and labor rights and human rights.

    勞動權利和人權

  • And governance relates to the oversight

    以及有董事會和投資者對公司

  • of companies by their boards and investors.

    進行大方向的管理

  • See, I told you this is the really juicy stuff.

    看,我說了這些是很吸引人的東西

  • But ESG is the measure of sustainability,

    但 ESG 是來衡量永續的

  • and sustainable investing incorporates ESG factors

    將永續投資於 ESG 因素相結合

  • with financial factors into the investment process.

    與投資過程中的金融因素相結合

  • It means limiting future risk

    它意味著減少未來風險

  • by minimizing harm to people and planet,

    通過對人類和地球危害的最小化

  • and it means providing capital to users

    這就意味著给用户提供資本

  • who deploy it towards productive

    讓他們帶來有效益和

  • and sustainable outcomes.

    可永續的成果

  • So if sustainability matters financially today,

    如果今天永續影響著財政

  • and all signs indicate more tomorrow,

    這就表明更多的可能性

  • is the private sector paying attention?

    私營企业在關注嗎?

  • Well, the really cool thing is that most CEOs are.

    嗯,很酷的是大多數 CEO 都關注這件事

  • They started to see sustainability

    他們開始考慮永續

  • not just as important but crucial to business success.

    因為它不僅重要 而且是企業成功的關鍵

  • About 80 percent of global CEOs

    大約 80% 的全球 CEO

  • see sustainability as the root to growth in innovation

    把永續看成是投資收益的根本

  • and leading to competitive advantage

    可以在各自行業體現競爭的優勢

  • in their industries.

    可以在各自行業體現競爭的優勢

  • But 93 percent see ESG as the future,

    他們中 93% 把 ESG 看做是未來的方向

  • or as important to the future of their business.

    或對他們生意的未來非常重要的部份

  • So the views of CEOs are clear.

    所以這些 CEO 的認識是很清晰的

  • There's tremendous opportunity in sustainability.

    在永續事業上有巨大的潛在機遇

  • So how are companies actually leveraging ESG

    那麼這些公司實際上如何利用 ESG

  • to drive hard business results?

    努力帶來他們生意上的成果呢?

  • One example is near and dear to our hearts.

    有一個例子離我們的心很近很親切

  • In 2012, State Street migrated 54 applications

    在 2012 年道富銀行把 54 個應用程式

  • to the cloud environment,

    移入到雲環境中

  • and we retired another 85.

    我們撤回了另外 85 個

  • We virtualized our operating system environments,

    我們虛擬了我們的系統運行環境

  • and we completed numerous automation projects.

    我們完成了許多自動化專案

  • Now these initiatives create a more mobile workplace,

    現在這些倡議創造了更多的移動工作場所

  • and they reduce our real estate footprint,

    它們減少了我們的辦公場所

  • and they yield savings of 23 million dollars

    每年的運營成本一共

  • in operating costs annually,

    可以節省 2300 萬美元

  • and avoid the emissions

    還可以避免廢氣排放

  • of a 100,000 metric tons of carbon.

    那十萬公噸的二氧化碳量

  • That's the equivalent of taking 21,000 cars

    就相當於讓 21,000 輛汽車

  • off the road.

    離開公路

  • So awesome, right?

    很棒,對吧?

  • Another example is Pentair.

    另一個例子是 Pentair

  • Pentair is a U.S. industrial conglomerate,

    Pentair 是美國的一個工業集團

  • and about a decade ago,

    大約 10 年前

  • they sold their core power tools business

    他們賣掉了他們核心的電動工具業務

  • and reinvested those proceeds in a water business.

    把收益投入到跟水有關的業務

  • That's a really big bet. Why did they do that?

    那可是一個很大的賭注 他們為什麼那麼做?

  • Well, with apologies to the Home Improvement fans,

    嗯,跟家居裝修迷們道個歉

  • there's more growth in water than in power tools,

    水資源的利潤增長要比電動工具快

  • and this company has their sights set

    這家公司很有眼光

  • on what they call "the new New World."

    在他們所說的"新新世界"上

  • That's four billion middle class people

    因為 40 億的中產階層

  • demanding food, energy and water.

    對糧食、能源和水質量有要求

  • Now, you may be asking yourself,

    現在你可能會問自己

  • are these just isolated cases?

    這些只是個別的例子?

  • I mean, come on, really?

    我的意思是 拜託,真的嗎?

  • Do companies that take sustainability into account

    那些考慮永續的公司

  • really do well financially?

    真的有很好的效益嗎?

  • The answer that may surprise you is yes.

    答案可能會令你吃驚 是肯定的

  • The data shows that stocks with better ESG performance

    資料顯示,具有好 ESG 性能的股票

  • perform just as well as others.

    和其他的股票沒有差別

  • In blue, we see the MSCI World.

    藍色線條 我們看到的是 MSCI 的情況

  • It's an index of large companies

    它是大公司

  • from developed markets across the world.

    來自世界各地成熟的股票市場的一個參數

  • And in gold, we see a subset of companies

    金色線條,我們看到的是

  • rated as having the best ESG performance.

    具有最好 ESG 性能的一個子參數

  • Over three plus years, no performance tradeoff.

    三年多裡,沒有性能上的失衡

  • So that's okay, right? We want more. I want more.

    那已經夠好了,對吧?我們要的更多,我要的更多

  • In some cases, there may be outperformance

    在某些情況下 ESG 可能有

  • from ESG.

    超常的表現

  • In blue, we see the performance

    藍色線條 我們看到的是

  • of the 500 largest global companies,

    500 個全球最大的公司的性能指標

  • and in gold, we see a subset of companies

    而黃金線條,我們看到公司的

  • with best practice in climate change strategy

    執行氣候變化政策

  • and risk management.

    和風險管理最好的一個子參數

  • Now over almost eight years,

    現在已經八年過去了

  • they've outperformed by about two thirds.

    他們已經優於三分之二左右

  • So yes, this is correlation. It's not causation.

    是的,這是相關性並不是因果關係

  • But it does illustrate that environmental leadership

    但它確實說明這樣的環境領導力

  • is compatible with good returns.

    有相當好的收益

  • So if the returns are the same or better

    所以如果收益相同或更好

  • and the planet benefits, wouldn't this be the norm?

    而且給地球帶來好處 為甚麼不把這個當成標準呢?

  • Are investors, particularly institutional investors,

    投資者們,尤其是機構投資者

  • engaged?

    參與進來了嗎?

  • Well, some are,

    嗯,有些吧

  • and a few are really at the vanguard.

    有幾個真的是先鋒

  • Hesta.

    比如 Hesta

  • Hesta is a retirement fund for health

    Hesta 是一個

  • and community services employees in Australia,

    澳大利亞的醫療和社區服務僱員的退休基金

  • with assets of 22 billion [dollars].

    有 220 億 [美元]的資產

  • They believe that ESG has the potential

    他們相信 ESG 所具有的潛力

  • to impact risks and returns,

    去影響風險和收益

  • so incorporating it into the investment process

    所以將其納入投資中

  • is core to their duty

    是他們職責的核心

  • to act in the best interest of fund members,

    基金成員的最佳利益行事

  • core to their duty.

    他們的職責的核心

  • You gotta love the Aussies, right?

    現在你喜歡上 Aussies 了,對吧?

  • CalPERS is another example.

    CalPERS 是另一個例子

  • CalPERS is the pension fund

    CalPERS 是一個

  • for public employees in California,

    加州公務員的養恤基金

  • and with assets of 244 billion [dollars],

    有 2440 億[美元]的資產

  • they are the second largest in the U.S.

    他們的資產在美國第二大

  • and the sixth largest in the world.

    世界第六大

  • Now, they're moving toward 100 percent

    現在他們 100% 地轉向

  • sustainable investment

    永續投資

  • by systematically integrated ESG

    通過系統地把 ESG

  • across the entire fund.

    整合到整個基金

  • Why? They believe it's critical

    為什麼呢?他們相信這是關鍵

  • to superior long-term returns, full stop.

    超級的長期回報,就是這樣

  • In their own words, "long-term value creation

    用他們自己的話來說 “長期價值的創造

  • requires the effective management

    需要有效的管理

  • of three forms of capital:

    三種形式的資本:

  • financial, human, and physical.

    財力、 人力和物力

  • This is why we are concerned with ESG."

    這是我們為什麼關心 ESG”

  • Now, I do speak to a lot of investors

    我和很多投資者交流過

  • as part of my job,

    這成為我工作的一部分

  • and not all of them see it this way.

    但不是所有的人這麼看

  • Often I hear, "We are required to maximize returns,

    經常聽到 “我們都需要最大限度的收益

  • so we don't do that here,"

    所以我們這裡不這麼做”

  • or, "We don't want to use the portfolio

    或者,“我們不想使用這個方法

  • to make policy statements."

    作為我們的營業政策”

  • The one that just really gets under my skin is,

    做讓我反感的一個是

  • "If you want to do something about that,

    “如果你想要做甚麼的話

  • just make money, give the profits to charities."

    就去努力賺錢,然後把所有收益都捐給慈善機構”

  • It's eyes rolling, eyes rolling.

    我只能翻白眼了

  • I mean, let me clarify something right here.

    我的意思是,讓我澄清一下

  • Companies and investors are not

    公司和投資者都不是

  • singularly responsible for the fate of the planet.

    唯一對地球的命運負責的人

  • They don't have indefinite social obligations,

    他們沒有無限期的社會義務

  • and prudent investing and finance theory

    和審慎的投資和金融理論

  • aren't subordinate to sustainability.

    他們不從屬輿永續

  • They're compatible.

    他們是和永續相容的

  • So I'm not talking about tradeoffs here.

    所以我不是在這裡談論他們該如何讓步的

  • But institutional investors

    但機構投資者

  • are the x-factor in sustainability.

    是在永續發展中的重要因素

  • Why do they hold the key?

    他們為什麼掌握著這個權利?

  • The answer, quite simply, is, they have the money.

    答案很簡單是的,他們有很多錢

  • (Laughter)

    (笑聲)

  • A lot of it.

    很多很多錢

  • I mean, a really lot of it.

    真的很多啊

  • The global stock market is worth 55 trillion dollars.

    全球證券市場是價值 55 兆美元

  • The global bond market, 78 trillion.

    全球債券市場價值 78 兆美元

  • That's 133 trillion combined.

    這加起來133 兆美元

  • That's eight and a half times the GDP of the U.S.

    是美國 GDP 的八倍半

  • That's the world's largest economy.

    這是世界最大的經濟體

  • That's some serious freaking firepower.

    這就是一些重火力

  • So we can reconsider

    所以我們需要重新考慮

  • some of these pressing challenges,

    這些緊迫的挑戰

  • like fresh water, clean air,

    像新鮮的水源,清潔的空氣

  • feeding 10 billion mouths,

    供 100 億人享用

  • if institutional investors

    如果機構投資者

  • integrated ESG into investment.

    把 ESG 整合到投資裡面

  • What if they used that firepower

    如果他們用那火力

  • to allocate more of their capital

    去分配更多他們的資本

  • to companies working the hardest

    到刻苦工作

  • at solving these challenges

    去解決這些挑戰的公司

  • or at least not exacerbating them?

    或至少不加重他們的負擔呢?

  • What if we work and save and invest,

    如果我們工作、儲蓄和投資

  • only to find that the world we retire into

    僅僅是為了我們退休的地方

  • is more stressed and less secure than it is now?

    比現在更艱難、更沒安全感?

  • What if there isn't enough clean air and fresh water?

    如果沒有足夠的、清潔的空氣和新鮮的水怎麼辦?

  • Now a fair question might be,

    現在的一個問題是

  • what if all this sustainability risk stuff

    如果威脅永續發展的這些事情

  • is exaggerated, overstated, it's not urgent,

    是被誇大,強調了,並不是緊急的

  • something for virtuous consumers

    良性消費者那些事

  • or lifestyle choice?

    或是生活方式的選擇呢?

  • Well, President John F. Kennedy said something

    嗯約翰 · 甘迺迪總統說

  • about this that is just spot on:

    下面的話可以用在這裡:

  • "There are risks and costs to a program of action,

    “一些行動是需要風險和代價的

  • but they are far less than the long-range risks

    但是他們不如為了舒適的不作為

  • and costs of comfortable inaction."

    更具有風險和需要代價。”

  • I can appreciate that there is estimation risk in this,

    我可以理解在永續發展中會有一些風險

  • but since this is based on widespread scientific consensus,

    但因為這是基於廣泛的科學共識之上的

  • the odds that it's not completely wrong

    它就不是完全錯誤的

  • are better than the odds

    它出錯的幾率

  • that our house will burn down

    比我們房子被燒幾率小

  • or we'll get in a car accident.

    或者比我們遭遇車禍的幾率小

  • Well, maybe not if you live in Boston. (Laughter)

    如果你不是生活在波士頓的話(笑聲)

  • But my point is that we buy insurance

    我想說的是我們買保險

  • to protect ourselves financially

    來保護我們的財政

  • in case those things happen, right?

    以防那些事情發生,對吧?

  • So by investing sustainably

    通過給永續投資

  • we're doing two things.

    我們在做兩件事

  • We're creating insurance,

    我們要創建保險

  • reducing the risk to our planet and to our economy,

    為我們的星球,我們的經濟降低風險

  • and at the same time, in the short term,

    同時在短期內

  • we're not sacrificing performance.

    我們不至於犧牲它的性能

  • [Man in comic: "What if it's a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?"]

    [漫畫的人:"如果它是一個大騙局,我們創造了更好的世界卻沒有回報怎麼辦?"]

  • Good, you like it. I like it too.

    好的,你們喜歡它,我也喜歡它

  • (Laughter)

    (笑聲)

  • I like it because it pokes fun

    我喜歡它,因為它諷刺

  • at both sides of the climate change issue.

    在氣候變化問題的雙方

  • I bet you can't guess which side I'm on.

    我打賭你不能猜我在哪一邊

  • But what I really like about it

    但我真的很喜歡它

  • is that it reminds me of something Mark Twain said,

    是它讓我想起馬克 · 吐溫說

  • which is, "Plan for the future,

    就是“要為未來做計劃

  • because that's where you're going to spend

    因為那是你

  • the rest of your life."

    要渡過餘生的地方。”

  • Thank you.

    謝謝

  • (Applause)

    (掌聲)

The world is changing

世界正在變化

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B1 US TED 永續 投資 收益 性能 風險

【TED】Chris McKnett:可持續發展的投資邏輯(Chris McKnett:The investment logic for sustainability) (【TED】Chris McKnett: The investment logic for sustainability (Chris McKnett: The investment logic for sustainability))

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