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  • There is an ancient proverb that says

  • it's very difficult to find a black cat in a dark room,

  • especially when there is no cat.

  • I find this a particularly apt description of science

  • and how science works --

  • bumbling around in a dark room, bumping into things,

  • trying to figure out what shape this might be,

  • what that might be,

  • there are reports of a cat somewhere around,

  • they may not be reliable, they may be,

  • and so forth and so on.

  • Now I know this is different than the way most people

  • think about science.

  • Science, we generally are told,

  • is a very well-ordered mechanism for

  • understanding the world,

  • for gaining facts, for gaining data,

  • that it's rule-based,

  • that scientists use this thing called the scientific method

  • and we've been doing this for 14 generations or so now,

  • and the scientific method is a set of rules

  • for getting hard, cold facts out of the data.

  • I'd like to tell you that's not the case.

  • So there's the scientific method,

  • but what's really going on is this. (Laughter)

  • [The Scientific Method vs. Farting Around]

  • And it's going on kind of like that.

  • [... in the dark] (Laughter)

  • So what is the difference, then,

  • between the way I believe science is pursued

  • and the way it seems to be perceived?

  • So this difference first came to me in some ways

  • in my dual role at Columbia University,

  • where I'm both a professor and run a laboratory in neuroscience

  • where we try to figure out how the brain works.

  • We do this by studying the sense of smell,

  • the sense of olfaction, and in the laboratory,

  • it's a great pleasure and fascinating work

  • and exciting to work with graduate students and post-docs

  • and think up cool experiments to understand how this

  • sense of smell works and how the brain might be working,

  • and, well, frankly, it's kind of exhilarating.

  • But at the same time, it's my responsibility

  • to teach a large course to undergraduates on the brain,

  • and that's a big subject,

  • and it takes quite a while to organize that,

  • and it's quite challenging and it's quite interesting,

  • but I have to say, it's not so exhilarating.

  • So what was the difference?

  • Well, the course I was and am teaching

  • is called Cellular and Molecular Neuroscience - I. (Laughs)

  • It's 25 lectures full of all sorts of facts,

  • it uses this giant book called "Principles of Neural Science"

  • by three famous neuroscientists.

  • This book comes in at 1,414 pages,

  • it weighs a hefty seven and a half pounds.

  • Just to put that in some perspective,

  • that's the weight of two normal human brains.

  • (Laughter)

  • So I began to realize, by the end of this course,

  • that the students maybe were getting the idea

  • that we must know everything there is to know about the brain.

  • That's clearly not true.

  • And they must also have this idea, I suppose,

  • that what scientists do is collect data and collect facts

  • and stick them in these big books.

  • And that's not really the case either.

  • When I go to a meeting, after the meeting day is over

  • and we collect in the bar over a couple of beers with my colleagues,

  • we never talk about what we know.

  • We talk about what we don't know.

  • We talk about what still has to get done,

  • what's so critical to get done in the lab.

  • Indeed, this was, I think, best said by Marie Curie

  • who said that one never notices what has been done

  • but only what remains to be done.

  • This was in a letter to her brother after obtaining

  • her second graduate degree, I should say.

  • I have to point out this has always been one of my favorite pictures of Marie Curie,

  • because I am convinced that that glow behind her

  • is not a photographic effect. (Laughter)

  • That's the real thing.

  • It is true that her papers are, to this day,

  • stored in a basement room in the Bibliothèque Française

  • in a concrete room that's lead-lined,

  • and if you're a scholar and you want access to these notebooks,

  • you have to put on a full radiation hazmat suit,

  • so it's pretty scary business.

  • Nonetheless, this is what I think we were leaving out

  • of our courses

  • and leaving out of the interaction that we have

  • with the public as scientists, the what-remains-to-be-done.

  • This is the stuff that's exhilarating and interesting.

  • It is, if you will, the ignorance.

  • That's what was missing.

  • So I thought, well, maybe I should teach a course

  • on ignorance,

  • something I can finally excel at, perhaps, for example.

  • So I did start teaching this course on ignorance,

  • and it's been quite interesting

  • and I'd like to tell you to go to the website.

  • You can find all sorts of information there. It's wide open.

  • And it's been really quite an interesting time for me

  • to meet up with other scientists who come in and talk

  • about what it is they don't know.

  • Now I use this word "ignorance," of course,

  • to be at least in part intentionally provocative,

  • because ignorance has a lot of bad connotations

  • and I clearly don't mean any of those.

  • So I don't mean stupidity, I don't mean a callow indifference

  • to fact or reason or data.

  • The ignorant are clearly unenlightened, unaware,

  • uninformed, and present company today excepted,

  • often occupy elected offices, it seems to me.

  • That's another story, perhaps.

  • I mean a different kind of ignorance.

  • I mean a kind of ignorance that's less pejorative,

  • a kind of ignorance that comes from a communal gap in our knowledge,

  • something that's just not there to be known

  • or isn't known well enough yet or we can't make predictions from,

  • the kind of ignorance that's maybe best summed up

  • in a statement by James Clerk Maxwell,

  • perhaps the greatest physicist between Newton and Einstein,

  • who said, "Thoroughly conscious ignorance

  • is the prelude to every real advance in science."

  • I think it's a wonderful idea:

  • thoroughly conscious ignorance.

  • So that's the kind of ignorance that I want to talk about today,

  • but of course the first thing we have to clear up

  • is what are we going to do with all those facts?

  • So it is true that science piles up at an alarming rate.

  • We all have this sense that science is this mountain of facts,

  • this accumulation model of science, as many have called it,

  • and it seems impregnable, it seems impossible.

  • How can you ever know all of this?

  • And indeed, the scientific literature grows at an alarming rate.

  • In 2006, there were 1.3 million papers published.

  • There's about a two-and-a-half-percent yearly growth rate,

  • and so last year we saw over one and a half million papers being published.

  • Divide that by the number of minutes in a year,

  • and you wind up with three new papers per minute.

  • So I've been up here a little over 10 minutes,

  • I've already lost three papers.

  • I have to get out of here actually. I have to go read.

  • So what do we do about this? Well, the fact is

  • that what scientists do about it is a kind of a controlled neglect, if you will.

  • We just don't worry about it, in a way.

  • The facts are important. You have to know a lot of stuff

  • to be a scientist. That's true.

  • But knowing a lot of stuff doesn't make you a scientist.

  • You need to know a lot of stuff to be a lawyer

  • or an accountant or an electrician or a carpenter.

  • But in science, knowing a lot of stuff is not the point.

  • Knowing a lot of stuff is there to help you get

  • to more ignorance.

  • So knowledge is a big subject, but I would say

  • ignorance is a bigger one.

  • So this leads us to maybe think about, a little bit

  • about, some of the models of science that we tend to use,

  • and I'd like to disabuse you of some of them.

  • So one of them, a popular one, is that scientists

  • are patiently putting the pieces of a puzzle together

  • to reveal some grand scheme or another.

  • This is clearly not true. For one, with puzzles,

  • the manufacturer has guaranteed that there's a solution.

  • We don't have any such guarantee.

  • Indeed, there are many of us who aren't so sure about the manufacturer.

  • (Laughter)

  • So I think the puzzle model doesn't work.

  • Another popular model is that science is busy unraveling things

  • the way you unravel the peels of an onion.

  • So peel by peel, you take away the layers of the onion

  • to get at some fundamental kernel of truth.

  • I don't think that's the way it works either.

  • Another one, a kind of popular one, is the iceberg idea,

  • that we only see the tip of the iceberg but underneath

  • is where most of the iceberg is hidden.

  • But all of these models are based on the idea of a large body of facts

  • that we can somehow or another get completed.

  • We can chip away at this iceberg and figure out what it is,

  • or we could just wait for it to melt, I suppose, these days,

  • but one way or another we could get to the whole iceberg. Right?

  • Or make it manageable. But I don't think that's the case.

  • I think what really happens in science

  • is a model more like the magic well,

  • where no matter how many buckets you take out,

  • there's always another bucket of water to be had,

  • or my particularly favorite one,

  • with the effect and everything, the ripples on a pond.

  • So if you think of knowledge being this ever-expanding ripple on a pond,

  • the important thing to realize is that our ignorance,

  • the circumference of this knowledge, also grows with knowledge.

  • So the knowledge generates ignorance.

  • This is really well said, I thought, by George Bernard Shaw.

  • This is actually part of a toast that he delivered

  • to celebrate Einstein at a dinner celebrating Einstein's work,

  • in which he claims that science

  • just creates more questions than it answers. ["Science is always wrong. It never solves a problem without creating 10 more."]

  • I find that kind of glorious, and I think he's precisely right,

  • plus it's a kind of job security.

  • As it turns out, he kind of cribbed that

  • from the philosopher Immanuel Kant

  • who a hundred years earlier had come up with this idea

  • of question propagation, that every answer begets more questions.

  • I love that term, "question propagation,"

  • this idea of questions propagating out there.

  • So I'd say the model we want to take is not

  • that we start out kind of ignorant and we get some facts together

  • and then we gain knowledge.

  • It's rather kind of the other way around, really.

  • What do we use this knowledge for?

  • What are we using this collection of facts for?

  • We're using it to make better ignorance,

  • to come up with, if you will, higher-quality ignorance.

  • Because, you know, there's low-quality ignorance

  • and there's high-quality ignorance. It's not all the same.

  • Scientists argue about this all the time.

  • Sometimes we call them bull sessions.

  • Sometimes we call them grant proposals.

  • But nonetheless, it's what the argument is about.

  • It's the ignorance. It's the what we don't know.

  • It's what makes a good question.

  • So how do we think about these questions?

  • I'm going to show you a graph that shows up

  • quite a bit on happy hour posters in various science departments.

  • This graph asks the relationship between what you know

  • and how much you know about it.

  • So what you know, you can know anywhere from nothing to everything, of course,

  • and how much you know about it can be anywhere

  • from a little to a lot.

  • So let's put a point on the graph. There's an undergraduate.

  • Doesn't know much but they have a lot of interest.

  • They're interested in almost everything.

  • Now you look at a master's student, a little further along in their education,

  • and you see they know a bit more,

  • but it's been narrowed somewhat.

  • And finally you get your Ph.D., where it turns out

  • you know a tremendous amount about almost nothing. (Laughter)

  • What's really disturbing is the trend line that goes through that

  • because, of course, when it dips below the zero axis, there,

  • it gets into a negative area.

  • That's where you find people like me, I'm afraid.

  • So the important thing here is that this can all be changed.

  • This whole view can be changed

  • by just changing the label on the x-axis.

  • So instead of how much you know about it,

  • we could say, "What can you ask about it?"

  • So yes, you do need to know a lot of stuff as a scientist,

  • but the purpose of knowing a lot of stuff

  • is not just to know a lot of stuff. That just makes you a geek, right?

  • Knowing a lot of stuff, the purpose is

  • to be able to ask lots of questions,

  • to be able to frame thoughtful, interesting questions,

  • because that's where the real work is.

  • Let me give you a quick idea of a couple of these sorts of questions.

  • I'm a neuroscientist, so how would we come up

  • with a question in neuroscience?

  • Because it's not always quite so straightforward.

  • So, for example, we could say, well what is it that the brain does?

  • Well, one thing the brain does, it moves us around.

  • We walk around on two legs.

  • That seems kind of simple, somehow or another.

  • I mean, virtually everybody over 10 months of age

  • walks around on two legs, right?

  • So that maybe is not that interesting.

  • So instead maybe we want to choose something a little more complicated to look at.

  • How about the visual system?

  • There it is, the visual system.

  • I mean, we love our visual systems. We do all kinds of cool stuff.

  • Indeed, there are over 12,000 neuroscientists

  • who work on the visual system,

  • from the retina to the visual cortex,

  • in an attempt to understand not just the visual system

  • but to also understand how general principles

  • of how the brain might work.

  • But now here's the thing:

  • Our technology has actually been pretty good

  • at replicating what the visual system does.

  • We have TV, we have movies,

  • we have animation, we have photography,

  • we have pattern recognition, all of these sorts of things.

  • They work differently than our visual systems in some cases,

  • but nonetheless we've been pretty good at

  • making a technology work like our visual system.

  • Somehow or another, a hundred years of robotics,

  • you never saw a robot walk on two legs,

  • because robots don't walk on two legs

  • because it's not such an easy thing to do.

  • A hundred years of robotics,

  • and we can't get a robot that can move more than a couple steps one way or the other.

  • You ask them to go up an inclined plane, and they fall over.

  • Turn around, and they fall over. It's a serious problem.

  • So what is it that's the most difficult thing for a brain to do?

  • What ought we to be studying?

  • Perhaps it ought to be walking on two legs, or the motor system.

  • I'll give you an example from my own lab,

  • my own particularly smelly question,

  • since we work on the sense of smell.

  • But here's a diagram of five molecules

  • and sort of a chemical notation.

  • These are just plain old molecules, but if you sniff those molecules

  • up these two little holes in the front of your face,

  • you will have in your mind the distinct impression of a rose.

  • If there's a real rose there, those molecules will be the ones,

  • but even if there's no rose there,

  • you'll have the memory of a molecule.

  • How do we turn molecules into perceptions?

  • What's the process by which that could happen?

  • Here's another example: two very simple molecules, again in this kind of chemical notation.

  • It might be easier to visualize them this way,

  • so the gray circles are carbon atoms, the white ones

  • are hydrogen atoms and the red ones are oxygen atoms.

  • Now these two molecules differ by only one carbon atom

  • and two little hydrogen atoms that ride along with it,

  • and yet one of them, heptyl acetate,

  • has the distinct odor of a pear,

  • and hexyl acetate is unmistakably banana.

  • So there are two really interesting questions here, it seems to me.

  • One is, how can a simple little molecule like that

  • create a perception in your brain that's so clear

  • as a pear or a banana?

  • And secondly, how the hell can we tell the difference

  • between two molecules that differ by a single carbon atom?

  • I mean, that's remarkable to me,

  • clearly the best chemical detector on the face of the planet.

  • And you don't even think about it, do you?

  • So this is a favorite quote of mine that takes us

  • back to the ignorance and the idea of questions.

  • I like to quote because I think dead people

  • shouldn't be excluded from the conversation.

  • And I also think it's important to realize that

  • the conversation's been going on for a while, by the way.

  • So Erwin Schrodinger, a great quantum physicist

  • and, I think, philosopher, points out how you have to

  • "abide by ignorance for an indefinite period" of time.

  • And it's this abiding by ignorance

  • that I think we have to learn how to do.

  • This is a tricky thing. This is not such an easy business.

  • I guess it comes down to our education system,

  • so I'm going to talk a little bit about ignorance and education,

  • because I think that's where it really has to play out.

  • So for one, let's face it,

  • in the age of Google and Wikipedia,

  • the business model of the university

  • and probably secondary schools is simply going to have to change.

  • We just can't sell facts for a living anymore.

  • They're available with a click of the mouse,

  • or if you want to, you could probably just ask the wall

  • one of these days, wherever they're going to hide the things

  • that tell us all this stuff.

  • So what do we have to do? We have to give our students

  • a taste for the boundaries, for what's outside that circumference,

  • for what's outside the facts, what's just beyond the facts.

  • How do we do that?

  • Well, one of the problems, of course,

  • turns out to be testing.

  • We currently have an educational system

  • which is very efficient but is very efficient at a rather bad thing.

  • So in second grade, all the kids are interested in science,

  • the girls and the boys.

  • They like to take stuff apart. They have great curiosity.

  • They like to investigate things. They go to science museums.

  • They like to play around. They're in second grade.

  • They're interested.

  • But by 11th or 12th grade, fewer than 10 percent

  • of them have any interest in science whatsoever,

  • let alone a desire to go into science as a career.

  • So we have this remarkably efficient system

  • for beating any interest in science out of everybody's head.

  • Is this what we want?

  • I think this comes from what a teacher colleague of mine

  • calls "the bulimic method of education."

  • You know. You can imagine what it is.

  • We just jam a whole bunch of facts down their throats over here

  • and then they puke it up on an exam over here

  • and everybody goes home with no added intellectual heft whatsoever.

  • This can't possibly continue to go on.

  • So what do we do? Well the geneticists, I have to say,

  • have an interesting maxim they live by.

  • Geneticists always say, you always get what you screen for.

  • And that's meant as a warning.

  • So we always will get what we screen for,

  • and part of what we screen for is in our testing methods.

  • Well, we hear a lot about testing and evaluation,

  • and we have to think carefully when we're testing

  • whether we're evaluating or whether we're weeding,

  • whether we're weeding people out,

  • whether we're making some cut.

  • Evaluation is one thing. You hear a lot about evaluation

  • in the literature these days, in the educational literature,

  • but evaluation really amounts to feedback and it amounts

  • to an opportunity for trial and error.

  • It amounts to a chance to work over a longer period of time

  • with this kind of feedback.

  • That's different than weeding, and usually, I have to tell you,

  • when people talk about evaluation, evaluating students,

  • evaluating teachers, evaluating schools,

  • evaluating programs, that they're really talking about weeding.

  • And that's a bad thing, because then you will get what you select for,

  • which is what we've gotten so far.

  • So I'd say what we need is a test that says, "What is x?"

  • and the answers are "I don't know, because no one does,"

  • or "What's the question?" Even better.

  • Or, "You know what, I'll look it up, I'll ask someone,

  • I'll phone someone. I'll find out."

  • Because that's what we want people to do,

  • and that's how you evaluate them.

  • And maybe for the advanced placement classes,

  • it could be, "Here's the answer. What's the next question?"

  • That's the one I like in particular.

  • So let me end with a quote from William Butler Yeats,

  • who said "Education is not about filling buckets;

  • it is lighting fires."

  • So I'd say, let's get out the matches.

  • Thank you.

  • (Applause)

  • Thank you. (Applause)

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