people's reactions, but I think that's more their problem than mine. So if somebody's

having a bad day, well they are having a bad day. The only thing I can do is, well usually,

if I come across something that I think is, well

if it's right in front of me, I'll usually smile at a person, or make conversation. Then

you are not an object anymore, you are a person and like

Joanne was saying, we all have more in common with people, than we have differences, culturally,

or racially. So if you tap into someone's humanity,

then usually there is no problem at all, more often than not.

As a mixed couple, I have never felt uneasy in public. As a single person I have but not

as a couple. And I think where we grow, where we live is

a very diverse community so Leanne and I walking around is so in the norm.

The things I take for granted as a white English man, even to the extent of marrying Bale,

I never really understood the aspects of racism, or discrimination which, I might

have experienced, or did experience, on a couple of occasions when I was with the children.

And even then I didn't see it as racism, or prejudice I

just saw it as something different, that was the level of my understanding, and I was just

concentrating on being a good husband, or trying to be a good husband,

a good father, and supporting the relationship and not thinking on the level of how it impacts

on being in a mixed raced. I think I was very aware that both children

would have experienced racism, and I think, certainly Hassa has told me, when she was

at school, she certainly did experience racism. She wanted

to be like the rest of her friends really.

Uhh, just the normal kind of things we've had, you know going to the shops. People being

a bit shocked when you walking past an Asian group of people, they seem more embarrassed

than we do. We've seen those things, but I think we, initially what we would do is we

would be a bit shocked and it would upset us, but over the

years I think we have, we almost approach people now, and we will say Hello how are

you? We will laugh with them, and if they are not laughing, then

we will say, Are you ok? You know we have found a way we know that most, human beings,

you know, they want to be accepted, they might be shocked initially, but they respond very

well to a welcome and to a kind word.